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    5.10 shoes or Clipless?

    Kind of a weird comparison..I know,

    I was recently thinking about trying out clipless with a cheap cheap set up, just to see if I like it before I spend the big bucks. I was thinking about it, and the thought of being clipped in for me seems comfortable if you get what I am saying, I rarely dab my foot down, and when I do, its either becuase I am going to crash or its at a time when I didn't need to.

    I would be using these for dh and trail riding, Ive been told its a love/hate thing, is this true? I ride flats on all my bikes but was wondering if the switch from flats to clipless is hard or time consuming...Do your feet feel stuck in? Is it hard to clip in and out?

    Fill me in so I know a little about this...

    Also, If anyone ahs an old beat up set up, let me know, I need some pedals with cleats for real cheap, and if anyone has a size 13-14 shoe then I would take those too.

    Thanks,
    Later, Dan

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    if you havnt ridden the 510 shoes before then definitly try them before going to clipless. Their amazing, just have to get used to them their pretty scary at first. IF your feet do move, just trust them, theyll hold basically no matter what even if your foots barley on.
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    Dan up until recently I've been riding flats on all my bikes, but once I got my AC going I stuck my MalletCs on there and was pretty much 98% new to clipless. After putting in a few days worth of xc/tech singletrack rides on it I can say that I'm seriously thinking of doing dh racing with clipless. While at first they are sort of difficult to get out of in time, once you get used to it its pretty easy. The only problem I have right now is consistantly getting clipped in quickly, might just be because my Mallets are still breaking in, or cuz its just a characteristic of them. YOu might as well try it, its worth it in my book.
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    I prefer flats with 5.10 shoes. Pip3r put it well, 5.10 are so sticky that you just have to trust them. Think 3/4 off the pedal and still more stable than a skate shoes.

    Your bike and riding style also has alot to do with the flats vs. clipless. If you like picking up your rear end over things, and bunny hopping, clipless make it soo much easier. I still ride XC and pedalier courses with clipless, i just feel more comfortable on flats now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherpa
    I prefer flats with 5.10 shoes. Pip3r put it well, 5.10 are so sticky that you just have to trust them. Think 3/4 off the pedal and still more stable than a skate shoes.

    Your bike and riding style also has alot to do with the flats vs. clipless. If you like picking up your rear end over things, and bunny hopping, clipless make it soo much easier. I still ride XC and pedalier courses with clipless, i just feel more comfortable on flats now.
    I do like hopping things and being able to control my bike, thats the whole reason I switched to a lighter and less traveled bike coming from a V10.

    Keep the opinions coming!

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    For racing I use clipless pedals.

    For freeriding or messing around I use 5.10 shoes and flat pedals.

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    oO this is OT but why is it called clipless? surely flat pedals are clipless and spds are cliped?

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    toe clips

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    Quote Originally Posted by joelsman
    toe clips
    Nah I wouldn't use them
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    A lot of it simply comes down to personal preference. My DH bikes have always had flat pedals because I'm generally lazy and like to hang a foot out around corners. Clipless pedals do make a big difference on trails/courses that have a lot of pedaling involved, being able to pull up and pedal in circles instead of just mashing down gives a bit more power, and you have the ability to pick the bike up a little easier. But there's always the chance that you'll lose balance in a weird way and won't be able to pull your foot out in time to avoid going down.

    It's worth a try, if you already have a good set of flats though, the Five.Ten shoes are the way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klunky
    oO this is OT but why is it called clipless? surely flat pedals are clipless and spds are cliped?

    That shows how old you are. Kids that can't even remember the days of toe clips....

    If you are going to do it, go all the way. Trying to save a few bucks on pedals will leave you frustrated and sour you on clipless forever. Buy a set used if you can't afford it. I would recommend Times or the Mallets. I have 2 pairs of both and they are very similar. Some beginners like shimano because you can set them super loose. I hate them cause I'm always coming out accidently.
    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klunky
    oO this is OT but why is it called clipless? surely flat pedals are clipless and spds are cliped?
    Ahh, grasshopper. Let's go back to the time before there were clipless pedals. Everyone who wanted to be stuck to their pedals used toe clips and straps, those old school jobbers that go over your foot and cinch down with a strap. That was called being "clipped in." Properly clipped in, you couldn't get your foot out without reaching down to loosen the strap, even in a crash. When Look (road) and Shimano (SPD for off-road) came out with the new pedals, you didn't need the toe-clips to be "clipped in," so they became known as clipless. Interestingly, clipless pedals are actually easier to get out of than the old way of basically being tied to your bike.

    As for what to ride, personally I think there is a time and place for both clipless and flats, and I like being able to choose. I use clipless for xc and road - rides with a lot of pedaling, especially climbing, because it's way more efficient - you can pull up as well as push down with each pedal stroke. I also use clipless for super fast bumpy DH. I use flats for jumping, technical freeride/DH, and urban silliness. Once you get used to both, switching back and forth is not a problem if you do it often enough.

    Edit: And I must say, I love my new 5.10 Impacts, best riding shoes ever. And after meeting Eric O and a couple other at Sea Otter, I can say they seem like a pretty cool bunch of guys too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by buildyourown
    That shows how old you are. Kids that can't even remember the days of toe clips....

    If you are going to do it, go all the way. Trying to save a few bucks on pedals will leave you frustrated and sour you on clipless forever. Buy a set used if you can't afford it. I would recommend Times or the Mallets. I have 2 pairs of both and they are very similar. Some beginners like shimano because you can set them super loose. I hate them cause I'm always coming out accidently.
    Good luck.
    Yeah, you CAN set them up super loose. If you put a set of SPDs on high tension and you are still coming out all the time, something is wrong, my friend. I have used Times and a few others but prefer Shimano's release feel. I have owned 5 or so set of SPDs and all were good. Right now I use 747s, 959s and 647s.

    Anyways, making generalizations about what pedals would be better is difficult. Really, the only way to get an answer is to try and see if you like it. I rode flats for DH for the last few years (usually 5.10 shoes, some times Vans Rowley XLTs with Atomlab, Shimano, Azonic or Wellgo pedals) and liked it a lot. I take my feet off quite a bit and like to move on the pedals.

    I switched to SPD to get more power and because my feet were still slipping with flats and I hate it when they get out of position. So far, it's been good. I haven't done any realy lift-serviced DH but I did a few jumps and runs and it's a pretty easy crossover since I've used clipless on my other bikes for years. I use clipless for all trailriding and XC riding.

    I can get out of the pedals only marginally slower than I can take my foot off of a flat pedal. Yes, it's slower, but usually not so much that it makes a difference. You're pretty much assured to have some falls where you can't or don't get out, but that's just the way it goes. Practicing with them is the key, just like with flats.

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    I think I might just get a set up and ride/practice and log many hours on them before I take them DH riding.

    I am not sure what to look for and what to look out for, The Mallet C's look ideal because they still have the platform, and seeing as how I have a big foot, it might be nice for the extra support.

    What shoes should I look at? I wear a size 14 skate shoe with a little room so I guess a 13.5 wouldn't be too bad seeing as how thats the biggest most companys make.

    I don't have a ton of money to throw down, so lets be realistic, the Mallet C's on Jensonusa are $60 then for shoes I have no idea which to get. Any help in the shoe department?

    Thanks for the help and keep it coming!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRogers
    Yeah, you CAN set them up super loose. If you put a set of SPDs on high tension and you are still coming out all the time, something is wrong, my friend.
    It has to do with the float. You can set times at 15 or 20 deg. Shimano is like 6. With that little float, I'm constantly falling out.

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