John Stewart is the MAN! [Archive]

Tenchiro

10-15-2004, 08:33 PM

Bittorrent (http://bitflood.org:8080/file?info_hash=D%12%85z%88%AF%22%A7%C4VA1DP%97%A2% 89%E9O8)

Joh absolutely OWN3D the Crossfire guys today, you have to watch this!

Damn True

10-15-2004, 08:37 PM

linkee no workee

LordOpie

10-15-2004, 08:37 PM

i love geeks (not in that way!)... thanks for the direct BT link.

PS: I love John Steward... in that way. DAILY SHOW ROCKS THE WORLD AND I WOULD KILL IF THEY TOLD ME TO KILL!

LordOpie

10-15-2004, 08:38 PM

linkee no workee
Do you have a BT client?

Azereus (sp?), shareaza or the like?

Toshi

10-15-2004, 08:39 PM

thar be one slowww torrent

LordOpie

10-15-2004, 08:42 PM

yeah Tench, open up the flood gates you cheap whore!

Changleen

10-15-2004, 09:09 PM

Shareaza! YAY!

oh.... 7Kbps....I guess I'll watch it later...

Tenchiro

10-15-2004, 09:25 PM

It aint my torren, but it was fairly quick for me.

EDIT - Ok, I am uploading at an extra 20ish KBs :p

Tenchiro

10-15-2004, 09:34 PM

Ifilm (http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831) for all you Bittorrent ingrates. :p

Toshi

10-15-2004, 09:43 PM

Ifilm (http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831) for all you Bittorrent ingrates. :p
why didn't you post this link the first place, bucko? :oink:

ahha

"you're partisan, what do you call it?, hacks" :thumb:

Tenchiro

10-15-2004, 09:51 PM

Because I just found it yo!

Silver

10-15-2004, 10:06 PM

"The show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls!"

Stewart is right...I actually watch the Daily Show for insight. That's bad news.

Silver

10-15-2004, 10:07 PM

Wow, Tucker Carlson really is quite an asshole...

Silver

10-15-2004, 10:13 PM

Wow, Tucker Carlson really is quite an asshole...

I mean a real asshole. Even O'Reilly comes off as better, when he's not making vibrator suggestions...

Changleen

10-15-2004, 10:21 PM

John Stewart really is The Man. That was some funny ****. :thumb:

Skookum

10-15-2004, 11:04 PM

Doh Tench beat me to it haha, that's ok i put it in the Lounge first haha.

brock

10-15-2004, 11:38 PM

JS: How old are you?

TC: 35

JC:And you wear a bow tie

AHAHAHAHA

Skookum

10-16-2004, 01:33 AM

JS: How old are you?

TC: 35

JC:And you wear a bow tie

AHAHAHAHA
aaaaah yes and it's the first time i've ever heard anyone call someone else a "dick" on television. i can throw away my t.v. now the circle is complete. :D

LordOpie

10-16-2004, 03:08 AM

John's da man! He had an agenda and let it fly from the first moment.

ohio

10-16-2004, 04:15 AM

Balls.
The man has balls.

Carson may be an asshole, but at least he tried to fight back. Begala took it up the ace with nary a whimper.

They're both pathetic, and it's a damn good thing Stewart had them broadcast this one live. "Things that need to be said publicly" - 101

Damn True

10-16-2004, 05:17 AM

I think Begala was being polite and was trying to allow Stewart to make his point. The dillhole in the bowtie couldn't answer the criticism so he decided to inturrupt it as a means of preventing it.

genpowell71

10-16-2004, 08:04 AM

It gets funnier as I watch it again and again

ALEXIS_DH

10-16-2004, 11:40 AM

Tucker Carlson. that guy cracks me up. its a sad version of a conservative. I wonder if he is there on purpose as a republican-cartoon.

never trust guys in a bowtie. specially red ones.

TheInedibleHulk

10-18-2004, 02:05 AM

Ive loved john stuart for years, but was usually content to see him on the daily show and Half Baked. After seeing this, which I saw the first time it aired on cnn since I watch crossfire on occasion, I really hope he moves onto more serious and respected forums where he can do some real commentary. What he had to say was perfect, it virtaully summarized my opinions on the state of politics in the media today. If that little C0cksucker Carlson had let him finish a sentence instead of interupting with meaningless gibberish constantly, I'm sure it would have been even better.

MikeD

10-18-2004, 10:34 AM

Being on a comedy show is the ultimate "I'm-rubber-and-you're-glue" for Jon Stewart. It totally shields him from criticism and allows him to say what he wants...and frankly, I'm glad he gets to say it. His points were all spot-on.

MD

fluff

10-18-2004, 10:55 AM

But does the American public get the media it deserves? After all, if shows such as crossfire pull in higher ratings with their partisan hacks than they would with a serious balanced ethos...

LordOpie

10-18-2004, 10:57 AM

But does the American public get the media it deserves?
yes, but that doesn't mean that people shouldn't try to make things better and try to educate the public.

fluff

10-18-2004, 11:02 AM

yes, but that doesn't mean that people shouldn't try to make things better and try to educate the public.

Agreeance.

Silver

10-18-2004, 11:45 AM

A little more on Carlson (If I was droll like N8, I suppose I'd call him Fvcker Carlson after reading this...)

http://hunter.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/16/15584/3798

golgiaparatus

10-18-2004, 01:35 PM

Man I could not debate with that little cocksucker on the right... he needs a little red light that tells him to shut the hell up so someone else can talk.

The little sh!t wouldnt come back with anything more than insults to JS's integrity because he has a comedy show. WTF?! JS was trying to bring forth a serious issue and the punk wouldnt take it seriously. Typical conservative asshole :mad:

golgiaparatus

10-18-2004, 01:47 PM

A little more on Carlson (If I was droll like N8, I suppose I'd call him Fvcker Carlson after reading this...)

http://hunter.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/16/15584/3798

Well, thats about how I figured he would react... he's like bush... stay the course. I guess thats a popular conservative method these days? I feel like this a lot when I'm discussing things with conserv. people... its like, "Okay, we just discussed that, and facts prove your argument to be incorrect... why are you still pushing an argument that you know to be worthless?"

Anyway, that carlson fuhker irritates me. I know people who watch that famn show and get a lot of their political opinions from it... its pathetic.

Damn True

10-18-2004, 01:51 PM

Silver

10-18-2004, 01:57 PM

Anyway, that carlson fuhker irritates me. I know people who watch that famn show and get a lot of their political opinions from it... its pathetic.

How is that any different than people who listen to and formulate their opinions based on what they hear on NPR? Or CBS?

NPR and CBS have more than two talking heads punching at each other for half an hour. NPR, especially. CBS, not nearly as much as NPR, but at least the news is better than a pundit show.

I'd argue that the Daily Show requires you to be somewhat aware of current events, or you won't find it funny...

Damn True

10-18-2004, 02:08 PM

Yer right, NPR is usually just one talking head.......way better.

Stewart wasnt just talking about the two tools on Crossfire. He was talking about the media in general, all of them, regardless of network. They have ceased to report news and are now attempting to influence public opinion, to push their own agenda.

Silver

10-18-2004, 02:13 PM

Damn True

10-18-2004, 02:17 PM

People who listen to NPR are better informed than FOX viewers.

I thought we dealt with that a year ago or so?

How do you figure?

In both cases the the viewer/listener is getting a biased, heavilly spun, decidedly one sided view of an issue.

Silver

10-18-2004, 02:27 PM

How do you figure?

In both cases the the viewer/listener is getting a biased, heavilly spun, decidedly one sided view of an issue.

Page 15 is interesting...

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

azonicbruce

10-18-2004, 02:43 PM

I feel like this a lot when I'm discussing things with conserv. people... its like, "Okay, we just discussed that, and facts prove your argument to be incorrect... why are you still pushing an argument that you know to be worthless?"

Sooooo... :think: if indeed the facts prove your argument to be incorrect, WHY WOULD anyone be stupid enough to keep pushing the argument? :think:

Sheez. I'm sorry I even ventured over here.

DRB

10-18-2004, 02:43 PM

Its chicken and egg. Are people more partisan because of the media or is the media more partisan because of people?

It certainly has come to a point where it perpetuates itself. Each network if VERY aware of its audience makeup and is caters to it carefully. But also each network is also beginning to strike out to present a more balanced view to attract more viewers. I don't mean balanced in the form of one head presenting an accurate and fair view of subject. I mean balanced in the form of two heads presenting widely differing points of view on the same subject.

As DT pointed out, that is what Stewart was saying.

The middle of America, those with moderate views on most subjects are being marginalized at the expense of the radical left and right. To me the most embarrassing thing is when people somehow trot out Michael Moore and Pat Buchann as representative Americans.

golgiaparatus

10-18-2004, 03:48 PM

How is that any different than people who listen to and formulate their opinions based on what they hear on NPR? Or CBS?

I think they are otally different. On 1 hand you have a person who hears the news report and formulates their own opinion based on what they hear has happened. On the other hand you have a person that bases their political opinions on the arguments of heavily biased partisan slant machines.

The partisan system is a serious problem in this countries political system, I mean seriously... it weakens it, it blinds people from freely seeing their own opinions. Partisan shows like Crossfire are both feeding the problem and are a result of the problem.

Damn True

10-18-2004, 03:52 PM

LOL, are you kidding?

NPR is every bit as biased as Fox and the rest of the networks.

Oh wait, I get it......it's not bias if you agree with it right?

golgiaparatus

10-18-2004, 03:55 PM

if indeed the facts prove your argument to be incorrect, WHY WOULD anyone be stupid enough to keep pushing the argument? :think:

Thats exactly what I think, why keep going, like repetition can change someone's opinion? Restating something doesnt make it true.

Sheez. I'm sorry I even ventured over here.

Seriously, its just how I feel when discussing issues with a lot of conservatives. Its like selective hearing of something. Maybe you shouldnt venture over here if you are bothered by hearing people's opinions?

Damn True

10-18-2004, 04:29 PM

Page 15 is interesting...

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

I would expect the networks to report things incorrectly more often FOX, CNN, and the regular networks are in a constant battle for "breaking news" as such they often report any info they have, as soon as they have it, only to come along later with different or conflicting info.

NPR dosen't broacast real-time so they have more time to get facts (when they are actually reporting fact and not opinion) right.

The thing they ALL have in common is that they are ALL biased. NPR is every bit as biased to the left as FOX is to the right and you can say the same about individual shows on any of the other networks.

Regardless if you agree with it or not, its still bias.

Silver

10-18-2004, 04:32 PM

LOL, are you kidding?

NPR is every bit as biased as Fox and the rest of the networks.

Oh wait, I get it......it's not bias if you agree with it right?

Did you read that .pdf? Seriously...bias or no, that's not really what I'm arguing. Talking head or not, your average Fox viewer is seriously misinformed compared to your average NPR listener. You really think that PBS and NPR are out to get you?

Apparently, the bigger problem is that if you happen to be a Bush supporter the facts have had a liberal bias for the last 4 years.

ohio

10-18-2004, 04:36 PM

To be fair, and despite the fact that I can't stand Carlsson and am a huge fan of Stewart, it is a fair point that Stewart has missed opportunities to "hold feet to the fire."

If he's going to claim that he's a comedian, and it's not his job, than it IS somewhat hypocritical to decide suddenly he's not a comedian but a critic of the media. To argue with myself, he has held some lower-level feet to the fire on his show, but he really coddled both Clinton and Kerry. It is hard to criticize a comedian for not grilling a former President and a potential President, especially when he has openly partisan stances, but then it puts him in an odd situation to suddenly confront the media.

Anyway, I DO side with Stewart and agree with his point of view. But I think for his criticism to be accepted he would have to remove some of the partisanship from his show, AND remind the political world that his show's PURPOSE is to critique the media.

Silver

10-18-2004, 04:38 PM

I've also seen him coddle Ed Gillespie and the Republican governor who is head of Bush's re-election campaign. He's not really a tough interviewer, probably due to the lust of a comedian to be liked.

ohio

10-18-2004, 04:42 PM

Also, it's not about far left or right versus mainstream, it's the wholesale acceptance by the media of whatever they're fed by either side. Critical journalism just doesn't exist anymore. Delving into real issues, rather than following the sensationalism, will cost journalists their access. Stewart actually had a great series of interviews and sessions on the DS about "talking points," and the like. See his interviews with Wolf Blitzer and some Rep Congressman, as well as the "talking points" clips.

I just wish Factcheck.org was a primetime news show... sigh.

Damn True

10-18-2004, 04:46 PM

Did you read that .pdf? Seriously...bias or no, that's not really what I'm arguing. Talking head or not, your average Fox viewer is seriously misinformed compared to your average NPR listener. You really think that PBS and NPR are out to get you?

Apparently, the bigger problem is that if you happen to be a Bush supporter the facts have had a liberal bias for the last 4 years.

LOL, lemme guess, you are a NPR listener. Careful you don't hurt your arm while patting yourself on the back.

I'll say it again....I guess it isn't bias if you happen to agree with what they are saying.

The fact that you agree with the editorial that NPR is spraying dosen't make it any less biased than the editorial that FOX is spraying.

Silver

10-18-2004, 04:50 PM

LOL, lemme guess, you are a NPR listener. Careful you don't hurt your arm while patting yourself on the back.

I'll say it again....I guess it isn't bias if you happen to agree with what they are saying.

The fact that you agree with the editorial that NPR is spraying dosen't make it any less biased than the editorial that FOX is spraying.

Hell no, I almost never listen to the radio.

Seriously though, have you read that link I posted earlier, or do I need to extract some graphs out of it for you?

Damn True

10-18-2004, 04:55 PM

Yeah, I read it, which is how I knew that FOX and the other networks screw up more often which is to be expected based on how they present their editorial as opposed to the way NPR and PBS present theirs.

Silver

10-18-2004, 04:59 PM

Damn True

10-18-2004, 06:52 PM

It means nothing.

I would expect the networks to report things incorrectly more often FOX, CNN, and the regular networks are in a constant battle for "breaking news" as such they often report any info they have, as soon as they have it, only to come along later with different or conflicting info.

NPR dosen't broacast real-time so they have more time to get facts (when they are actually reporting fact and not opinion) right.

The thing they ALL have in common is that they are ALL biased. NPR is every bit as biased to the left in its editorial disquised as news as FOX is to the right in their editorial disguised as news and you can say the same about individual shows on any of the other networks.

Regardless if you agree with it or not, its still bias.

Silver

10-18-2004, 07:05 PM

We're not arguing the same thing.

Bias or not, NPR doesn't hit you over the head with "Fair and Balanced!!!" or "We report (yeah, hmmm...) you Decide!!!"

And the results speak for themselves. NPR/PBS consumers are much less mis-informed than Fox viewers. Possibly selection bias, yes, but that isn't good for you either, is it?

bomberz1qr20

10-18-2004, 07:08 PM

Regardless if you agree with it or not, its still bias.

So who to listen to? I guess one can listen to either side and filter into one useless opinion...

:think:

Most people don't lean all the way to the "left" or the "right" anyway, there are more directions than that. I lean toward the "You're All Full of Sh*t" side of things. Vote for lesser evil, then pray.

BTW: the Ham Sandwich argument is totally lame, as we all know that Turkey Pastrami Wrap is a better candidate.

Damn True

10-18-2004, 07:08 PM

If it makes you feel better about yourself then ok.

Silver

10-18-2004, 07:10 PM

If it makes you feel better about yourself then ok.

It doesn't, because even though I know (and knew) that Bush's arguments for war were bullsh!t, I don't get to vote.

I'm not worried about me. I'm worried about you in your echo chamber.

Silver

10-18-2004, 07:11 PM

BTW: the Ham Sandwich argument is totally lame, as we all know that Turkey Pastrami Wrap is a better candidate.

Turkey Pastrami is too close to the Israeli lobby to be a viable candidate, although I do like his position on the drug war...

bomberz1qr20

10-18-2004, 07:15 PM

Turkey Pastrami is too close to the Israeli lobby to be a viable candidate, although I do like his position on the drug war...

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