**** or get off the pot

[The Toninator]

i'm tired of watching Jan waiting for a mistake. I'm tired of watching for Jan waiting for 'his' stage, whatever that may be. Of course i dont think they really could have done that much on these flat stages but i'd like to have at least heard his name other than
Phil - "Where's Jan"
Paul - "Lets see there's Lance Oh and theres Jan just over his shoulder"

Jan is going to lose again. He is going to lose against Lance forever becuase he and his team are not trying to 'win' they always seem to be waiting for a sign of weekness or a mistake. Vino last year did go on the attack but it didnt seem to be for Jan so it was null. I think that if they dont just lay it all on the line he can never win it.
All or nothing Jan,
Gnothi Se Auton.

[Heidi]

Come on, it's far too early for him to play any cards. You're a gamblin man Tony, you know waz up.

MOUNTAINS

[Westy]

Jan was talkin' smack yesterday. I think he is ready to put his money where his mouth is once things start pointing uphill.

[Heidi]

Jan was talkin' smack yesterday. I think he is ready to put his money where his mouth is once things start pointing uphill.

Tomorrow!

[The Toninator]

I am a gambler! He’s proved over the last 5 tries that their normal strategy doesn’t work. He should have been stating attacks real or not or something to let la know he’s there.
Ullrich might think in his mind he’s got the advantage but I say it’s fake. Lead or follow or get out the way.
He need to take the reins and be a winner.

[The Toninator]

Tomorrow!

$5 bucks says he doesnt make up ANY time on la tomorrow. You down with that sister?

[Joe Pozer]

$5 bucks says he doesnt make up ANY time on la tomorrow. You down with that sister?

You instigator :dancing:

There would have been no point in Jan attacking during the flat stages because the Postal team would have been all over his a$$. The reality is that Jan's only shot of winning is if Lance makes a mistake in the mountains or crashes during the TT.

[Westy]

I say all the major contenders finish with the same time tomorrow. There is a lot of climbing but the finish is downhill so it will do no more than to rip the peloton apart.

[Leethal]

Lance is on point this year, they could have had him last year but did not reach out and take it. That said the Mountain TT will be interesting Armstrong has already said he thinks the next day is a killer and might try to save some energy for the next day. If Jan or Tyler can get some time on him in the TT it could be a big moral boost for his team.

[The Toninator]

You instigator :dancing:

There would have been no point in Jan attacking during the flat stages because the Postal team would have been all over his a$$. The reality is that Jan's only shot of winning is if Lance makes a mistake in the mountains or crashes during the TT.


TOTALLY where is Jmac when i'm looking for a fight?

I know it would have been a bad move to actually 'attack' but the should have at least fented(sp) to make him think they are stronger than they are.

[Westy]

I predict the shiznit will truly hit the fan on stage 13. The first beyond category finish.

[Nitromike]

i'm tired of watching Jan waiting for a mistake. I'm tired of watching for Jan waiting for 'his' stage, whatever that may be. Of course i dont think they really could have done that much on these flat stages but i'd like to have at least heard his name other than
Phil - "Where's Jan"
Paul - "Lets see there's Lance Oh and theres Jan just over his shoulder"

Jan is going to lose again. He is going to lose against Lance forever becuase he and his team are not trying to 'win' they always seem to be waiting for a sign of weekness or a mistake. Vino last year did go on the attack but it didnt seem to be for Jan so it was null. I think that if they dont just lay it all on the line he can never win it.
All or nothing Jan,
Gnothi Se Auton.


He's done this exact same thing for 5 years now, and he's looking to make it 6 .. nothing but a runner up in his heart I guess.

[Heidi]

I was just checking it out, Stage 13 isn't even the most climbing, It's 17 when they do Col du Glandon, and then Col de la Madeleine, and then BAM, two more Category 1 climbs for a totally climbing of 16,827'! :dead:

Everyone expects things to happen on those big days, I'm hoping something happens sooner. Jan can't wait too long.

[Wumpus]

Stage 12 and 13 both have uphill finishes. Those are going to be the ones the contenders need to attack on.

I think Lance is a much better descender than Jan and Tyler. Lance was spotted riding the trails in Austin earlier this year.

[Wumpus]

Thoughts:

I understand the use of the team for the flat parts, but I just don't get the whole pacing thing. Nice to have a teammate alongside you, but if they can't hang with you to the top is seems to come down to mano y mano.


If Sevilla attacks and Lance follows, I don't see how Tyler can just sit there and wait for them to come back to attack. They would all have to go together or risk getting left behind with a lot of catching up to do.

[The Toninator]

Jan can't wait too long.

that's all i'm really saying.

[cliffster5]

Anybody else besides me see Varenque going off for a solo attack (and picking up easy KOM pts.) tomorrow on Bastille Day?

[Wumpus]

Anybody else besides me see Varenque going off for a solo attack (and picking up easy KOM pts.) tomorrow on Bastille Day?

He's got every one so far. He'll try to do it again on Friday and Saturday.

[mrbigisbudgood]

I think your all forgetting how dangerous Roberto is in the mountains.

[The Toninator]

Anybody else besides me see Varenque going off for a solo attack (and picking up easy KOM pts.) tomorrow on Bastille Day?

cliffie for the win!!!!!!

[Westy]

Anybody else besides me see Varenque going off for a solo attack (and picking up easy KOM pts.) tomorrow on Bastille Day?

Does anyone else who is capable of climbing care about the KOM??

[oldfart]

Virenque (pronounced Vee rrong k) won today. Tommorow he'll sit in. That was a l o n g break.

[PsychO!1]

Anybody else besides me see Varenque going off for a solo attack (and picking up easy KOM pts.) tomorrow on Bastille Day?

Damn!!! Good call Cliffster...got any stock tips??? :thumb:

[PsychO!1]

Toninator,
Any of Lances competition doing ANYTHING before the mountains would simply be laughed at by the peleton. An attack at this point would anything BUT intimidating. Jan's only chance to beat Lance is in the mountains.

[JMAC]

TOTALLY where is Jmac when i'm looking for a fight?

I know it would have been a bad move to actually 'attack' but the should have at least fented(sp) to make him think they are stronger than they are.

LOL I'm here :p Unfortunently I can almost agree with you. Lance and Jan are so close that it almost seems that who ever gets a lead in the start will be the one who wins. Jan I don't think is capable of attacked lance and holding him off and I don;t think Lance is able to do the same. Basically I think everything will just come down to the TT and Lance has an advantage right now. Still it's only half way through the Tour I'm still confident Lance lose. :eviltongu ;)

I perdict that it will all end like this

1-Jan Ullrich
2-Iban Mayo he'll blow off some crazy race up d'huez
3-Heras
4-Hamilton he'll be in yellow going into the final stage where he will crash
5-Aitor Gonzalaz he'll return for a year than get fat again and take a break
6-LAnce but he'll be back but only to beat Jan

[The Toninator]

sweet, i still got Ulrich’s stomach fat in second :blah:

[Westy]

I predict that Tyler will attack until his legs fall off on Saturday. Tomorrow will be another boring day with the big boys only letting dudes way down on time get out on a break away.

[PsychO!1]

4-Hamilton he'll be in yellow going into the final stage where he will crash



Bwahahahahahahaha......

I say Tyler crashes and breaks his elbow the last day in the mountains, only to return the next day and ride the fastest time trail in tour history to take the yellow!!!!

[Arm On Fire]

Vino attacked last year, and not for Jan, because Jan was on Bianchi.
I hate to be the know it all, but, I couldn't resist.

Picture a poker table, little smokey, 5 guys sitting around , holding 5 cards...
Tyler, Jan, Lance, Iban, Roberto

I think Lance is going to do it again, as much as I would like local (my local) favorite Tyler to take it, I just don't think he can do it.

I'm picking Tyler take the Alpe d'Huez TT, Lance is more concerned with the next day. Tyler is a better TT than Iban and Roberto.

Jan looks skinnier this year, starting to talk some trash, but I think he is like a dog that has been beaten, can't close the deal.

Should be interesting to see how fri/sat, and wed/thurs.

Iban could explode, he and Roberto are dangerous.

Can't wait to see how it will unfold.

[JMAC]

I think the tour would be more exciting if the riders didn't have radios. Without radios I think it would give ppl like heras ect a chance to make a breakaway. The way it is now if any of the major players make a move everyone knows instantly. It takes something away from racing when they have radios.

[Arm On Fire]

Radios
During the last Olympics Ullrich broke away mid-way, and Lance thought they had the win, only to look up at the huge monitor and see Jan crossing the finish line. Ouch, removing radios would definately add a twist to modern day racing.

[The Toninator]

I think the tour would be more exciting if the riders didn't have radios.

true dat

[The Toninator]

Vino attacked last year, and not for Jan, because Jan was on Bianchi.
I hate to be the know it all, but, I couldn't resist.
.
No you dont hate it but your right i couldnt remember which one was on which and didnt feel like looking it up so i just tired to fake my way through it. I still dont know that vino would have just rode for jan. I do like him (hey look jmac vino's not american and i like him :) )
I also really liked beloki and thought he had a shot. it's a shame he couldnt get it back together.

[Nitromike]

McEwen .. not American and ya gotta like him :D

[The Toninator]

McEwen .. not American and ya gotta like him :D
hey mike how many canadians are in the tour this year?
umm how many Texicans?

[Nitromike]

I do believe that would be None for Canada with their big ol tree trunk legs, and 2 for the good ol Texicans.

[JMAC]

Yes us canadians suck on the road thats the sad thruth. However as for women cyclists we have some of the best but they're all loaded on dope so they suck. However we do own the US on mountain bikes. The only good rider we have is Mike Barry and he rides for US postal and lives in Boulder.LOL

[Nitromike]

From what I hear most Canuckians would rather live here anyway :shrug:

[The Toninator]

Yes us canadians suck on the road thats the sad thruth. However as for women cyclists we have some of the best but they're all loaded on dope so they suck. However we do own the US on mountain bikes. The only good rider we have is Mike Barry and he rides for US postal and lives in Boulder.LOL
Oh sure chage the subject. i met that ryder dude in march. he was really impressed with our trail. If fact it hurt those pro's so bad they got their race cut down to the espert distance. sad sad sad. it was only like 28 miles.
i think theres another texican in the top 5 in norba. (4th to be exact)

[JMAC]

Dude I don;t care about norba. I;m looking at world cup standings.

[Nitromike]

Mr Sager, only 11 points out of 3rd also.

4 62 Jason Sager 31059 Austin, TX

[JMAC]

LOL and the only canadian that I know that wants to live in the US is a friend of my who's one of the top swimmers here. She can't wait to leave Quebec in particular cause swimming sucks here, there's no money put into it at all like the US.

[Nitromike]

1. Bart Brentjens (NED) 1690 UCI World Cup ranking #1 .. not a Canuckian.

[The Toninator]

Dude I don;t care about norba. I;m looking at world cup standings.

oh man i tired of tracking your subject changes:blah: . LANCE RULES!!! TEXAS RULES!!!
VIVA LA TEXICANS!!!

[The Toninator]

LOL and the only canadian that I know that wants to live in the US is a friend of my who's one of the top swimmers here. She can't wait to leave Quebec in particular cause swimming sucks here, there's no money put into it at all like the US.
the woodlands has a world class diving/swim center i think. that's just a little north of houston.

[Nitromike]

JMAC = Ridemonkey's version of EM?

[The Toninator]

JMAC = Ridemonkey's version of EM?
i dont think he's that bad. He's just a proud canadican

[Nitromike]

What a relief :D

How about we bag on the French for a while?

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

July 15, 2004, 11:31 AM EDT


FIGEAC, France -- Lnce Armstrong finished ninth in Thursday's stage of the Tour de France and accused French reporters of trying to rummage through his hotel room in hopes of finding evidence of doping.

Frenchman David Moncoutie won the 11th stage. Countryman Thomas Voeckler kept the overall leader's yellow jersey, still 9 minutes, 35 seconds ahead of the sixth-placed Armstrong.

Armstrong, bidding for a record sixth straight Tour de France title, said a French television crew attempted to get access to his room after he left to race in the 102-mile stage from Saint-Flour to Figeac in central France.

"Just this morning, after we left, a TV crew from France 3 was going to the hotel, the reception, to the owner, asking for our room, trying to get in our room," Armstrong said.

He called such behavior "scandalous" and said he was scared that products could be planted to make him look guilty.

"They show up and they ask sporting questions to our face, but as soon as they leave they're digging in the rooms and looking for dirt," he said. "If you left a B vitamin sitting there, that would get on TV and that would be a scandal. That's what we have to live with every day."

"This particular guy from France 3 has been following us for months and it's scandalous," he said. "The scary thing is, if they don't find anything and get frustrated after a couple of months ... well, who's to say they won't put something there and say 'look what we've found."'

Moncoutie captured his first stage victory in five Tours by breaking away from the pack with two other riders and then leaving them in his wake as he rode alone over the last few miles to the line.

He was the second French rider to win in two days. Richard Virenque won the 10th stage on Wednesday -- France's Bastille Day national holiday. Another French rider, Jean-Patrick Nazon, also won a stage in the first week.

"To win a Tour stage is fabulous," said Moncoutie, who comes from the region crossed by Thursday's route. "It was one of my dreams."

Armstrong was in a group that finished 5:58 behind Moncoutie's mark of 3 hours, 54 minutes, 58 seconds. That group also included Armstrong rivals Jan Ullrich, Iban Mayo, Tyler Hamilton and Ivan Basso.

Armstrong and other top favorites saving themselves for the punishing and probably decisive stages in the Pyrenees and Alps did not chase Moncoutie, letting him surge ahead.

Voeckler is expected to lose the lead to the Tour's top riders in the mountain stages, with the first Pyrenean stage Friday.

[JMAC]

I love the french and their great country.!!

[Nitromike]

Figures

[JMAC]

Figures

LOL have you ever even been to France. Or Canada for that matter?

[Nitromike]

Yes and yes ... Canada was ok, France wasn't bad. Still prefer it here in the US, thanks anyway.

[The Toninator]

LOL have you ever even been to France. Or Canada for that matter?
oo oo i have i have it's a beautiful country. Have you?
in fact i've been to france, england, Belgium, the Netherlands, germany and italy. italy was my favorite.
I'm coming to canada at the end of august. come and have lunch and a ride with me?

[Nitromike]

You have the Netherlands on me, never made it there while I was in Europe.

[JMAC]

oo oo i have i have it's a beautiful country. Have you?
in fact i've been to france, england, Belgium, the Netherlands, germany and italy. italy was my favorite.
I'm coming to canada at the end of august. come and have lunch and a ride with me?

Been to France, England, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands, Italy, Monaco, Venazuala, all over the Carribean and most states in the US. Can''t say I perfer Canada though lol I love europe to much.

Anyways where are you coming to in Canada anyhow? If you're coming near here I'd love to have lunch and a ride with you. :)

[The Toninator]

i'll be in whistler at the end of august.

[JMAC]

i'll be in whistler at the end of august.

Hmm thats the other side of the country but I'll be in Vancouver from the 2nd -14th of august.

[Nitromike]

A few someones got dropped like a bad habit today .. and they weren't Texicans :D

[The Toninator]

A few someones got dropped like a bad habit today .. and they weren't Texicans :D
Man that was awesome!!! I knew something had to happen, for the sake of the other riders i was really (not) hoping it would come from them. BUT thankfully armstrong opened up a can of WHOOP ASS and devastated everyone.

I like it!

[Nitromike]

I can't wait to watch it tonight, listening just isn't the same with something that big. I wanna see the look on peoples faces when he stood up and started dancing on the pedals, cause most of em know they have no chance when he does that. Complete and utter demoralization today.

[Joe Pozer]

Poor Tyler, he doesn't seem to get any breaks. He said today that he's still suffering from the crash on Stage Six:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=reu-tourhamilton&prov=reuters&type=lgns

[Westy]

Man that was awesome!!! I knew something had to happen, for the sake of the other riders i was really (not) hoping it would come from them. BUT thankfully armstrong opened up a can of WHOOP ASS and devastated everyone.

I like it!


Armstrong did not open a can of whoopass, he just cracked it open a bit. He obviously had some in reserve, but he may regret not going for it all. The rapidly changing weather can affect some people more than others. If the weather is good tommorow the other boys may find their legs, or maybe not?
Either way, tomorrow is going to rule.

[Nitromike]

I think if he left anything out there today its because tomorrow is actually a tougher stage and he's really planning to lay the wood to em tomorrow :shrug:

[The Toninator]

Armstrong did not open a can of whoopass, he just cracked it open a bit. He obviously had some in reserve, but he may regret not going for it all. The rapidly changing weather can affect some people more than others. If the weather is good tommorow the other boys may find their legs, or maybe not?
Either way, tomorrow is going to rule.
edit : ok maybe my cans are a little smaller.
but to me 2:30 on ullrich is a can of whoop ass. Theres still a lot of racing left to do.

[jaydee]

Jan is done. Ivan is the next big man after Lance retires to the couch.

[Westy]

Yep Jan, Tyler, Heras, and Mayo just did not bring their game. Basso and Kloden are the guys to watch.

Big ups to Voekler for holding on to yellow for a few more days, kids got heart.

I wish Vino was in the Tour to throw in some attacks.

[LordOpie]

does Voekler have anyone challeging him for the white jersey?

[Nitromike]

Sandy Casar, but not too much of a danger right now.

[JMAC]

WoW lol I was at Mont Saint Annes this morning in my hotel room waiting for my race to start at the Canadian Championships ( Junior Expert) and I was watching stage 13. It was on some stupid quebec channel with the worst commintators but whtvr. Anyways what the hell happened I have to say Amstrong owns. Also I have to give huge props to Ivan Basso and more than anyone in the tour is voeckler that guy is amazing i love him. Lol Jan :mumble: argg I'm still a big fan of his but he's a tool he looked like a sloth. I think for him it's because he lost so much weight so fast like he looks to have less fat that armstrong even.

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I don;t know what happened to everyone else though to be honest like lance said it's bad for the tour cause it really ruins the excitment now. This really is the year fior young guys. Do you all remember the Giro and Cunago?

[JMAC]

Opps the link ddin;t work

[JMAC]

look at his leg

[Westy]

WoW lol I was at Mont Saint Annes this morning in my hotel room waiting for my race to start at the Canadian Championships ( Junior Expert) and I was watching stage 13. It was on some stupid quebec channel with the worst commintators but whtvr. Anyways what the hell happened I have to say Amstrong owns. Also I have to give huge props to Ivan Basso and more than anyone in the tour is voeckler that guy is amazing i love him. Lol Jan :mumble: argg I'm still a big fan of his but he's a tool he looked like a sloth. I think for him it's because he lost so much weight so fast like he looks to have less fat that armstrong even.

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I don;t know what happened to everyone else though to be honest like lance said it's bad for the tour cause it really ruins the excitment now. This really is the year fior young guys. Do you all remember the Giro and Cunago?

Jan had to lose so much weight the month before the tour their is no way he could have got the fitness he needed. Something about going at a 60,000 calorie deficit in a month that makes that hard. Maybe he should do Atkins in the winter.

[Nitromike]

Or go back to using X in the off season

[JMAC]

speed would be more effective at weight lose than X

[Damn True]

Jan was talkin' smack yesterday. I think he is ready to put his money where his mouth is once things start pointing uphill.


..........or not.

[Damn True]

does Voekler have anyone challeging him for the white jersey?

No, he is 25. The White is for under 25yr old riders.

[Nitromike]

Looks like 25 and under to me

YOUNG RIDER - OVERALL
1. Thomas Voeckler (F), Brioches La Boulangere, 62:33:11
2. Sandy Casar (F), FDJeux.com, 08:29
3. Vladimir Karpets (Rus), Illes Balears-Banesto, 14:05
4. Michele Scarponi (I), Domina Vacanze, 14:22
5. Pineau Jérôme (F), Brioches La Boulangere, 14:48
6. Sylvain Chavanel (F), Brioches La Boulangere, 15:09
7. Michael Rogers (Aus), Quick Step-Davitamon, 18:08
8. Iker Camano (Sp), Euskaltel-Euskadi, 20:31
9. Mikel Astarloza (Sp), Ag2R Prevoyance, 49:15
10. Benjamin Noval Gonzalez (Sp), U.S. Postal Service, 1:07:15
11. Sebastian Lang (G), Gerolsteiner, 1:12:38
12. Allan Davis (Aus), Liberty-Seguras, 1:15:41
13. Nicolas Portal (F), Ag2R Prevoyance, 1:17:03
14. Sylvain Calzati (F), R.A.G.T. Semences-MG Rover, 1:19:59
15. Mark Scanlon (IRL), Ag2R Prevoyance, 1:20:51
16. David Loosli (Swi), Saeco, 1:24:35
17. Filippo Pozzato (I), Fassa Bortolo, 1:28:55
18. Fabian Cancellara (Swi), Fassa Bortolo, 1:29:12
19. Yuriy Krivtsov (Ukr), Ag2R Prevoyance, 1:31:59
20. Tom Boonen (B), Quick Step-Davitamon, 1:32:04
21. Jimmy Engoulvent (F), Cofidis, 1:37:14
22. Anthony Charteau (F), Brioches La Boulangere, 1:37:43
23. Bernhard Eisel (A), FDJeux.com, 1:45:23
24. Christophe Edaleine (F), Cofidis, 1:57:07
25. Joly Sébastien (F), Crédit Agricole, 2:26:32

[The Toninator]

speed would be more effective at weight lose than X

yea but X is supposed to be way more fun

[Nitromike]

He liked it enough to get busted for it how many times?

[The Toninator]

He liked it enough to get busted for it how many times?
just once.

[Damn True]

Looks like 25 and under to me

YOUNG RIDER - OVERALL
1. Thomas Voeckler (F), Brioches La Boulangere, 62:33:11
2. Sandy Casar (F), FDJeux.com, 08:29
3. Vladimir Karpets (Rus), Illes Balears-Banesto, 14:05
4. Michele Scarponi (I), Domina Vacanze, 14:22
5. Pineau Jérôme (F), Brioches La Boulangere, 14:48
6. Sylvain Chavanel (F), Brioches La Boulangere, 15:09
7. Michael Rogers (Aus), Quick Step-Davitamon, 18:08
8. Iker Camano (Sp), Euskaltel-Euskadi, 20:31
9. Mikel Astarloza (Sp), Ag2R Prevoyance, 49:15
10. Benjamin Noval Gonzalez (Sp), U.S. Postal Service, 1:07:15
11. Sebastian Lang (G), Gerolsteiner, 1:12:38
12. Allan Davis (Aus), Liberty-Seguras, 1:15:41
13. Nicolas Portal (F), Ag2R Prevoyance, 1:17:03
14. Sylvain Calzati (F), R.A.G.T. Semences-MG Rover, 1:19:59
15. Mark Scanlon (IRL), Ag2R Prevoyance, 1:20:51
16. David Loosli (Swi), Saeco, 1:24:35
17. Filippo Pozzato (I), Fassa Bortolo, 1:28:55
18. Fabian Cancellara (Swi), Fassa Bortolo, 1:29:12
19. Yuriy Krivtsov (Ukr), Ag2R Prevoyance, 1:31:59
20. Tom Boonen (B), Quick Step-Davitamon, 1:32:04
21. Jimmy Engoulvent (F), Cofidis, 1:37:14
22. Anthony Charteau (F), Brioches La Boulangere, 1:37:43
23. Bernhard Eisel (A), FDJeux.com, 1:45:23
24. Christophe Edaleine (F), Cofidis, 1:57:07
25. Joly Sébastien (F), Crédit Agricole, 2:26:32

Ahh, cool, thanks. I guess Ligget mis-spoke. That dosen't happen often.

[JMAC]

yea but X is supposed to be way more fun

Depends I have a friend who loves speed and likes it more than x but she takes everything. lol

[N8]

Seems Ullrich has found his legs on Stage 15...

[The Toninator]

that was cool, i'm proud of him. He gave it a go and that's all i'm looking for.

[N8]

At this point I can see Armstrong dropping him in the final 10-15km's... I really don't think he has the gas to hang with Lance.

[Heidi]

Anyone else see the Robin Williams interview? That guy is great.

"Bikesexual"!

[Arm On Fire]

where is it?
were did you see it?

he usually puts a great spin on the race and biking in general.

[Heidi]

where is it?
were did you see it?

he usually puts a great spin on the race and biking in general.

I watched it on OLN, just after the podium presentations. He's so damn funny still.

[The Toninator]

woohoo! i'm not sure whether he shat or if he got off the pot but he damn sure put the hurt on EVERYONE!!!!
And it is of course my own humble opinion that this is exactly what would have happened last year had they not had all the problems. lance sick before the tour, lance getting dehydrated in the TT, lance having the brake rubbing problem for a whole 212k stage etc.
Keep in mind "Every Second Counts."

Lance Owns You.


Viva La Texicans!

[Nitromike]

Texicans > *