help me choose my new S&M frame

[bru]

The time has come to bury my twisted, dented, and bent K2 "learning" frame for a new one. I can order S&M through the shop I work at for cost+10% and I'm broke so that is my only choice. The geometry of my old bike is 21" tt/14.5"cs and I am 6' 175lbs and ride skateparks and street on it. A couple guys I work with ride NG Dirtbikes and swear by them. I have riden them a little and they feel nice but they don't run brakes like I do, so I couldn't quite try the same things. The NG Dirtbike is a bit shorter (20.25"tt/14"cs) than my current frame so I am wondering whether I should get the larger (21"tt/14.5"cs) NG Holmes. Which frame would fit my stubby-legged-long-torso 6 foot self? Will I regret buying the Dirtbike? Should I stick to what I am used to and go with the Holmes? Are there other S&M frames I should consider? Weight isn't a factor, strength and durability are. Thanks for reading through this lengthy question

[BMXman]

Originally posted by bru
The time has come to bury my twisted, dented, and bent K2 "learning" frame for a new one. I can order S&M through the shop I work at for cost+10% and I'm broke so that is my only choice. The geometry of my old bike is 21" tt/14.5"cs and I am 6' 175lbs and ride skateparks and street on it. A couple guys I work with ride NG Dirtbikes and swear by them. I have riden them a little and they feel nice but they don't run brakes like I do, so I couldn't quite try the same things. The NG Dirtbike is a bit shorter (20.25"tt/14"cs) than my current frame so I am wondering whether I should get the larger (21"tt/14.5"cs) NG Holmes. Which frame would fit my stubby-legged-long-torso 6 foot self? Will I regret buying the Dirtbike? Should I stick to what I am used to and go with the Holmes? Are there other S&M frames I should consider? Weight isn't a factor, strength and durability are. Thanks for reading through this lengthy question

Check out the "Bennet".....D

[bru]

I could always run the axle a little further back if the rear end is too short for my liking. The top tube length is nice though. I definately want shorter stays than now but don't want to give up much tt length. The bennett sounds like it will fit the bill perfectly, a nice compromise between the dirtbike and the holmes. With such a short rear end and so much tire clearance (which I like) will I have chainline issues with a 44 tooth? Thanks a lot D!

[Metal]

I rode at the local trails on Monday with the owner of S&M, Chris Molher. He is very cool and I support all of the frames he sells. About your situatiuon, the NG Holmes will fit just like your K2. If you are riding street and are tall, I would also suggest a S&M Bennet. It has a long top tube, but a 13.75" rear which is great for street. Hop this helps.

[jhusktrials]

Have you looked at any Fit Bikes? They are made and distributed by S&M. I ride a series one and it is a really good frame. Mine is the 21" tt version.
Also, the shop I work at has a Holmes and a Dirtbike. We are selling both for $149.99us. I don't know if that would be cheaper than cost plus 10%. We are selling them at cost to get them out of the store.
If you have a credit card we would be willing to ship them anywhere in N. America.

[bru]

is that for the classic or next generation dirtbike & holmes? thats a great deal either way!

[jhusktrials]

They are both classics. It kind of sucks that we have to get rid of them. The shop I work at is run by hardcore christians. One day some guy emailed us about how much he was offended by S&M bikes and the image they present.
Frankly, I think he was just pissed that his kid was such a "screw up" reading Pusher and Dig magazines and wanting a bike named after a porn star.
Oh well, we will still carry solid, wethepeople, T1, macneill, volume, standard, and fbm, along with some possible others.

[don]

Originally posted by jhusktrials
They are both classics. It kind of sucks that we have to get rid of them. The shop I work at is run by hardcore christians. One day some guy emailed us about how much he was offended by S&M bikes and the image they present.
Frankly, I think he was just pissed that his kid was such a "screw up" reading Pusher and Dig magazines and wanting a bike named after a porn star.
Oh well, we will still carry solid, wethepeople, T1, macneill, volume, standard, and fbm, along with some possible others.

LOL, hardcore christians selling FBM stuff? I doubt they have ever seen the Albert Street video. They do produce some great product and Crandall seems like a good guy.

It's funny, people don't want to deal with some companies like S&M and Little Devil just for their name and image. Meanwhile they might be some of the best companies out there - good product, service, general atitude. On the flip side corporate giants (i.e. Emron) are held up high while they rape their workers, shareholders, clients, etc...

[hardtail_schmuk]

goddamn corporate giants.
s+m's painful...

[jhusktrials]

Yeah we have been "sneaking" the FBM stuff into the store so to speak. At this point we just wait for more e-mails to tells what to carry.
I really doubt that the higher ups have seen any BMX movies. It is better that way.