Gays set to marry in Massachusetts

[Slugman]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4980388/


Under landmark ruling, couples can get licenses MondayThe Associated Press
Updated: 4:01 p.m. ET May 14, 2004BOSTON - In the spring of 2001, when seven gay couples made a radical demand for the right to marry in Massachusetts, their court case barely registered on the state’s political or media radar screen.

When a lower court turned them down, the public gave a collective told-you-so.

“Nobody thought it was news,” said Julie Goodridge, one of the seven couples who sued after being turned away at city hall when they sought marriage licenses. “Nobody thought even remotely it was going to happen.”

But on Monday — three years after the court battle began, and six months after the state’s highest court issued its landmark ruling granting gays the right to marry — it is going to happen.

Just wanted to discuss something other than the middle east for a while... and this seems like is good political issue.

[drtbikrr]

gggguh, I hate this bull****, it's not right, if it was right both of you wouldn't have a penis (or vagina) one of each per couple. Gayness doesn't work, not physically and not mentally. It says so in the bible (can't remember the verse but give me time). And moreover these people are trying to get privilages that are supposed to be sacred promises to God and each other. They push their agendas in schools now, just the other day I heard something about encouraging gayness in children (to help them explore) just another concoction of the liberal media. God help us all.

[quadricolour]

Originally posted by drtbikrr
It says so in the bible

HOLY SH|T IT MUST BE TRUE THEN!!! :eek:

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by drtbikrr
gggguh, I hate this bull****, it's not right, if it was right both of you wouldn't have a penis (or vagina) one of each per couple. Gayness doesn't work, not physically and not mentally. It says so in the bible (can't remember the verse but give me time). And moreover these people are trying to get privilages that are supposed to be sacred promises to God and each other. They push their agendas in schools now, just the other day I heard something about encouraging gayness in children (to help them explore) just another concoction of the liberal media. God help us all.
*deep crazy announcer voice*
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:D

[laura]

Originally posted by drtbikrr
gggguh, I hate this bull****, it's not right, if it was right both of you wouldn't have a penis (or vagina) one of each per couple. Gayness doesn't work, not physically and not mentally. It says so in the bible (can't remember the verse but give me time). And moreover these people are trying to get privilages that are supposed to be sacred promises to God and each other. They push their agendas in schools now, just the other day I heard something about encouraging gayness in children (to help them explore) just another concoction of the liberal media. God help us all.


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[Serial Midget]

You'll make someone a fine wife one day - until then you might want to pull your head out of your ass. :)

Originally posted by drtbikrr
gggguh, I hate this bull****, it's not right, if it was right both of you wouldn't have a penis (or vagina) one of each per couple. Gayness doesn't work, not physically and not mentally. It says so in the bible (can't remember the verse but give me time). And moreover these people are trying to get privilages that are supposed to be sacred promises to God and each other. They push their agendas in schools now, just the other day I heard something about encouraging gayness in children (to help them explore) just another concoction of the liberal media. God help us all.

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by drtbikrr
gggguh, I hate this bull****, it's not right, if it was right both of you wouldn't have a penis (or vagina) one of each per couple. Gayness doesn't work, not physically and not mentally. It says so in the bible (can't remember the verse but give me time). And moreover these people are trying to get privilages that are supposed to be sacred promises to God and each other. They push their agendas in schools now, just the other day I heard something about encouraging gayness in children (to help them explore) just another concoction of the liberal media. God help us all.
I suggest locking yourself in your room and never coming out. Either that or a full body condom so you can't catch the gay.

[drtbikrr]

Originally posted by valve bouncer
I suggest locking yourself in your room and never coming out. Either that or a full body condom so you can't catch the gay.
I know it's spreading like wildfire.

[Silver]

Originally posted by drtbikrr
I know it's spreading like wildfire.

Unplug the ethernet cable as well...I'd hate to see you start to think, even a little bit.

[preppie]

I just saw a documentary about "Gay marriage in the US"
It looks like almost everybody in the US is anti-gay-marriage?
The strange thing is that in Europe no one seems to really care. But there are some "right wing" and "old skool Catholics" that are against it, but the biggest part of the population doesn't see the 'problem' of a gay marriage.
A 'big' point of discussion in Europe is: should Gay people have the possibility/right to adopt kids?

[nicklin]

Originally posted by drtbikrr
gggguh, I hate this bull****, it's not right, if it was right both of you wouldn't have a penis (or vagina) one of each per couple. Gayness doesn't work, not physically and not mentally. It says so in the bible (can't remember the verse but give me time). And moreover these people are trying to get privilages that are supposed to be sacred promises to God and each other. They push their agendas in schools now, just the other day I heard something about encouraging gayness in children (to help them explore) just another concoction of the liberal media. God help us all.

this coming from someone who thinks religion is bad

AMEN

there is a difference between tolerance and encouragement. When there is encouragement they have gone a little too far.


In Europe no one cares because....well...they are europeans....that's wy.....

[preppie]

Originally posted by nicklin
In Europe no one cares because....well...they are europeans....that's wy.....
Do you mean :
Most Europeans are tolerant towards other people and don't care what they do, as long as they don't harass each other?
If not, could you explain what you mean by your statement please? :rolleyes:
Some people are different, but that doesn't make them lesser than the rest. Equal rights for everybody isn't that bad is it?

[nicklin]

Originally posted by preppie
Do you mean :
Most Europeans are tolerant towards other people and don't care what they do, as long as they don't harass each other?
If not, could you explain what you mean by your statement please? :rolleyes:
Some people are different, but that doesn't make them lesser than the rest. Equal rights for everybody isn't that bad is it?

becuase every time europe has a wave of tolerance, it is followed by a backlash resulted from various reasons like politics and economics. True, today the europeans are tolerent, not necessarily because they approve of what the gay community does, but because they think from the point of view that as long as they, themselves, are not a part of it and thereby have nothing to do with it. Every action has its opposite and equal reaction, and the indifference of europeans can only be discribed as self-righteous. mark my words, europe will see another wave of resurgence of right wing wave, and the gays will be just another excuse.

let me ask you this: would you encourage your children to be gay? if so, good for you. if not, you are just talking about things that wouldn't affect you, and why should you have emotion in something when you wouldn't do it in the first place?

I dissagree with the encouragement of gayness. Most everyone in this world is like me, because very few people like to see a completely gay society. if you are one of them, stay there

[Dirty]

i dont think anybody is encouraging the kids that they should be gay.
they are more likely encouraging kids not to be AFRAID of being gay. many current homosexuals who are out of high school, had to grow up in fear of ridicule and being outcasts. I think its great to be spreading the word of tolerence, equality and acceptance in schools. Just like it was right 50 years ago or whatever to promote equal rights between blacks and whites. and as for your question, yes, i will be teaching my kids that homosexuality is perfectly normal and acceptable. And whatever the outcome is, wether they are homosexual or heterosexual, i will love them no less, nor treat them any different...thats just how it should be.

and whos talking about a completely gay society.....? if we had a completely gay society....we wouldnt have a society for very long...
are you afraid of homosexuality taking over the world or something...?

[preppie]

Originally posted by nicklin

let me ask you this: would you encourage your children to be gay? if so, good for you. if not, you are just talking about things that wouldn't affect you, and why should you have emotion in something when you wouldn't do it in the first place?

I dissagree with the encouragement of gayness. Most everyone in this world is like me, because very few people like to see a completely gay society. if you are one of them, stay there

My country was one of the first that made 'gay marriage' legal. Some people thought that the gay-community would expand very fast with all the -negative- consequences....but nothing really changed after all.
I used to dislike gay people until some of my friends "came out of the closet"....well I was shocked, but it changed my point of view.

If one of my kids would be gay, would I encourage it?
Well I would love my son/daughter no matter what.
I think it's impossible to change the sexual orientation of a kid/person, try to 'change' it and you will end up with a frustrated person. I think it's time to stop stigmatizing gay people.
I'm not gay if that makes any difference, but I've noticed that a lot of US-Australian men are homophobic for some reason?
It's all about equal rights, that's why I replied.

[Andyman_1970]

Originally posted by Silver
I'd hate to see you start to think, even a little bit.

Aaahhh the sterotype that Christians don't think or question things..............:rolleyes:

[N8]

Let's not forget what other gifts "progessive" european governments have given to the world.... like nazism, and communism.

:p

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by preppie
I just saw a documentary about "Gay marriage in the US"
It looks like almost everybody in the US is anti-gay-marriage?yes, because if it's a documentary, it must be true :rolleyes:

Originally posted by preppie
The strange thing is that in Europe no one seems to really care. But there are some "right wing" and "old skool Catholics" that are against it, but the biggest part of the population doesn't see the 'problem' of a gay marriage.
A 'big' point of discussion in Europe is: should Gay people have the possibility/right to adopt kids?
Which is more important to society, allowing queers to marry or adopt?

Ironically, your supposedly enlightened society has it backwards. It's more important for a kid to get into a loving home and out of the foster homes or off the streets.

Queers can adopt in the good old USA. So go figure that they can't in Europe.

[sshappy]

Originally posted by N8
Let's not forget what other gifts "progessive" european governments have given to the world.... like nazism, and communism.

:p

And the USA's our fault too...

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by N8
Let's not forget what other gifts "progessive" european governments have given to the world.... like nazism, and communism.

:p
well, Godwin's Law sure broke quickly.

[preppie]

Originally posted by LordOpie

Queers can adopt in the good old USA. So go figure that they can't in Europe.

Euhm, they can adopt kids since the late 70's, it was just a point of discussion, because some people (the catholics and the right wingers ) believed that a kid needs a female "mom" and a male "dad" and they made a big deal out of it.
That docu, I was talking about, was full of statistics from your gouvernment and shools :rolleyes:

[sshappy]

Originally posted by LordOpie
well, Godwin's Law sure broke quickly.

Maybe we need a "N8's Aphorism"?

[Lexx D]

i would say as long as the child is raised in a good respectful enviroment it's fine. As long as the parents can support the child financially and emotionally.
The child is far better off in a caring gay home than an house with a man and a woman who hate one another, drink and abuse the child. But according to some people this would be better than having "those queers raise'em":angry:

[N8]

Originally posted by LordOpie
well, Godwin's Law sure broke quickly.


I do what I can....


:devil:

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by preppie
Euhm, they can adopt kids since the late 70's...
who can and where?

Originally posted by preppie
That docu, I was talking about, was full of statistics from your gouvernment and shools :rolleyes:
Oh, well, if it was full of bullsh:t, umm, err, statistics...

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by quadricolour
HOLY SH|T IT MUST BE TRUE THEN!!! :eek:

:D :thumb:

Because the Bible says so, is not a valid arguement.

[Tenchiro]

Do you think someday instead of calling it Sodomy, we will call it Bostony? Headlines might look like "Priest Charged With Bostonizing Young Boy".

It will definately add new meaning to the term Masshole. :monkey:

[N8]

Originally posted by Tenchiro
Do you think someday instead of calling it Sodomy, we will call it Bostony? Headlines might look like "Priest Charged With Bostonizing Young Boy".

It will definately add new meaning to the term Masshole. :monkey:



AH HAHAHAHAHA!!!

:p

[911]

Originally posted by nicklin
let me ask you this: would you encourage your children to be gay? if so, good for you. if not, you are just talking about things that wouldn't affect you, and why should you have emotion in something when you wouldn't do it in the first place?

Who's "encouraging children to be gay"!? I think you're confusing teaching children not to be homophobic with forcing gayness on somebody. And even if someone were to encourage someone else to be homosexual... it wouldn't mean anything. You're either gay or you're not, no amount of "encouragement" is going to change that.

very few people like to see a completely gay societ

:rolleyes: For the upteenth time, encouraging accecptance and tolerance of homosexuality will not increase the amount of people who are gay. People don't just decide to be homosexual, so I wouldn't worry about "a completely gay society".

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by 911
:rolleyes: For the upteenth time, encouraging accecptance and tolerance of homosexuality will not increase the amount of people who are gay. People don't just decide to be homosexual, so I wouldn't worry about "a completely gay society". :stupid:

I fully admit, if weed became legal, I'd smoke on occassion, but no amount of legality would make me go gay.

"Don't be gay Sparky. Don't be gay."

[Andyman_1970]

Originally posted by 911
:rolleyes: For the upteenth time, encouraging accecptance and tolerance of homosexuality will not increase the amount of people who are gay. People don't just decide to be homosexual, so I wouldn't worry about "a completely gay society".

Can you be tolerant and not be accepting?

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by LordOpie
:stupid:

I fully admit, if weed became legal, I'd smoke on occassion, but no amount of legality would make me go gay.

"Don't be gay Sparky. Don't be gay."

So what your saying is that if they made weed legal in Mass. you'd move their and get married to a man?

I just dont understand your logic Opie, but thats okay ;)

[$tinkle]

Did i hear this right?

On NPR (friday, i think), they reported the US Supreme Court said they would not hear any appeals to the case, & cited states' rights as their basis.

How would that affect the inclusion clause?

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by $tinkle
Did i hear this right?

On NPR (friday, i think), they reported the US Supreme Court said they would not hear any appeals to the case, & cited states' rights as their basis.

How would that affect the inclusion clause?

I think...from the little I know of how state laws work, all MA is acknowledging is individual states' decisions in regards to Gay Marriage. So they won't marry a gay couple that drives up from New Hampshire...instead they are leaving those decisions to a couple's resident state.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
So what your saying is that if they made weed legal in Mass. you'd move their and get married to a man?

I just dont understand your logic Opie, but thats okay ;)
I hate you.

:D

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
Can you be tolerant and not be accepting?
of course. And you'll like this one (sort of)...

My sister has "found" "christ". I love her, I want her to be happy, I tolerate this, but I don't accept it.

And I'll try to bring her back from the darkside ;) :devil:

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
Can you be tolerant and not be accepting? "i have seen gross intolerance shown in support of tolerance" - samuel taylor coleridge

[Andyman_1970]

Originally posted by LordOpie
My sister has "found" "christ". I love her, I want her to be happy, I tolerate this, but I don't accept it.


Sweet! :thumb:

Jewish AND a follower of the Messiah, man she'll be flying first class...........awesome!!!

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
Sweet! :thumb:

Jewish AND a follower of the Messiah, man she'll be flying first class...........awesome!!!
well, since he wasn't the messiah, she's kinda screwed up. Damn cults.

[quadricolour]

Originally posted by LordOpie
My sister has "found" "christ".

Was he behind the sofa the whole time?

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by LordOpie
well, since he wasn't the messiahok, i'll bite: who was?

[Andyman_1970]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
:D :thumb:

Because the Bible says so, is not a valid arguement.

It's as "valid" as saying any other philosopher / writer said so.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by quadricolour
Was he behind the sofa the whole time?
not sure where he it, but I bet $5 he's with all the missing socks that disappear from my dryer!

Originally posted by $tinkle
ok, i'll bite: who was?
when he gets here, I'll let ya know :D come on, ya know i'm a jew...

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by LordOpie
when he gets here, I'll let ya know :D come on, ya know i'm a jew... just makin sure you're true to your peeps

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by $tinkle
just makin sure you're true to your peeps
I'm true to "my" peeps. Are you suggesting I'm The One?

[Silver]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
It's as "valid" as saying any other philosopher / writer said so.

God hates shellfish and blended fabrics and tattoos and transvestites, along with trimming your beard.

Saying "God says so" is as equally valid as saying "Locke said so," that much is true.

They are both worthless arguments from authority though. The rationale is the important part.

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by LordOpie
I'm true to "my" peeps. Are you suggesting I'm The One? "there can be only one" - MacLeod

[Andyman_1970]

Originally posted by Silver
Saying "God says so" is as equally valid as saying "Locke said so," that much is true.

They are both worthless arguments from authority though.

I'm glad your treating each "side" equally.


Originally posted by Silver
The rationale is the important part.

Does rationale impart "validity" to a statement or arguement?

[Velocity Girl]

Originally posted by drtbikrr
gggguh, I hate this bull****, it's not right, if it was right both of you wouldn't have a penis (or vagina) one of each per couple. Gayness doesn't work, not physically and not mentally. It says so in the bible (can't remember the verse but give me time). And moreover these people are trying to get privilages that are supposed to be sacred promises to God and each other. They push their agendas in schools now, just the other day I heard something about encouraging gayness in children (to help them explore) just another concoction of the liberal media. God help us all.

You're blurring the lines between church and state. Marriage is a legal binding contract between two people, God does not have to be involved on any level for a marriage to happen (men and women do it all the time). So if a man and women don't give their "sacred promise to God"...are they any less married? Don't think so! So shouldn't be any different for someone who's gay. (And just for the record, yes "gayness" does work physically and mentally, talk to a few gay people and you'd know!)

[Silver]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970

Does rationale impart "validity" to a statement or arguement?

It implies a thought process and reasoning rather than "I told you so."

[Andyman_1970]

Originally posted by Silver
It implies a thought process and reasoning rather than "I told you so."

So only a certain kind of rationale results in a "true" statement or thought or philosophy?

[N8]

I think gays should be allowed to marry and they should have to go thru divorce when it doesn't work out... just like regular folk.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by N8
I think gays should be allowed to marry and they should have to go thru divorce when it doesn't work out... just like regular folk.
so it's true, you do hate gays!

[Silver]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
So only a certain kind of rationale results in a "true" statement or thought or philosophy?

A logical process does.

[quadricolour]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
So only a certain kind of rationale results in a "true" statement or thought or philosophy?

I have an epistemology final tomorrow, and now I have to see this **** here too?!? :angry: :D

[Andyman_1970]

Originally posted by Silver
A logical process does.

So even though a rationale may be "flawed" in one way or another, this renders the statement being made as untrue (even though it in fact may be true)?

Is truth really truth regardless of the way or "agenda" behind the message that relays the truth?

[Slugman]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
So even though a rationale may be "flawed" in one way or another, this renders the statement being made as untrue (even though it in fact may be true)?

Is truth really truth regardless of the way or "agenda" behind the message that relays the truth?

Truth is truth when everyone can look at it and see the same thing.

[Serial Midget]

I've been to a gay wedding before - you get the same happy feelings you get at regular weddings. Even if the wedding wasn't recognized by the state it was recognized by the friends and family that were there to witness it. I can't imagine why so many are so vocally opposed to it. Well - that's not true, I love it when people shove the predudices of the morally correct right back down their throats.

[Skookum]

I think this is great, gayness will now spread like wildfire, and the horns of the apocolypse will soon blow. Whoopee!!!!:) :monkey:

[Silver]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
So even though a rationale may be "flawed" in one way or another, this renders the statement being made as untrue (even though it in fact may be true)?

Is truth really truth regardless of the way or "agenda" behind the message that relays the truth?

No, it renders the rationale a crappy way to implement public policy in a non-theocratic state.