the ACLU is a bull in a china shop!

[$tinkle]

Who will reign in these extremists?

first they defend rush limbaugh, and now some girl in michigan who wants to put hate speech in her yearbook:
ACLU restores biblical verse to high school yearbook

The Associated Press
5/12/2004, 6:34 a.m. ET

STERLING HEIGHTS, Mich. (AP) — The American Civil Liberties Union, perhaps better known for helping keep religion out of the classroom, came to the defense of a high school graduate whose yearbook entry was censored because it contained a biblical verse.

everything michigan (http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/news-14/108435834421460.xml)ok, silver, i hope you're happy now.

but really, why didn't she approach the ACLJ instead???

[bomberz1qr20]

Originally posted by $tinkle
and now some girl in michigan who wants to put hate speech in her yearbook....


What, exactly, are you refering to??

"Her entry included the biblical verse, Jeremiah 29:11: "`For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the Lord, `plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.'"

Where is the hate speech?

The ACLU advocates INDIVIDUAL rights, like free speech. They did just that in this example.

Also I think they'd defend the right to post retarded threads, please take note.

:D

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by bomberz1qr20
What, exactly, are you refering to??

"Her entry included the biblical verse, Jeremiah 29:11: "`For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the Lord, `plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.'"

Where is the hate speech?

The ACLU advocates INDIVIDUAL rights, like free speech. They did just that in this example.

Also I think they'd defend the right to post retarded threads, please take note.

:D the only reason i posted the story is to avoid being t-bagged by silver.

i still find this latest stunt by them confusing, when they go around the country during the holidays trying to get creches, menorahs, and christmas trees taken down before anyone has even contested their mere existence.

[Westy]

Originally posted by $tinkle
the only reason i posted the story is to avoid being t-bagged by silver.

i still find this latest stunt by them confusing, when they go around the country during the holidays trying to get creches, menorahs, and christmas trees taken down before anyone has even contested their mere existence.

What is so hard to understand. They do not go around trying to enforce any particular political doctrine, they try to defend peoples rights as described in the Bill of Rights (check it out some day, 'tis a good read). If the School wanted to display that quote it would violate the separation of church and state. As an individual the student had a right to her freedom of speech.

[golgiaparatus]

That is kind of strange... that the ACLU is defending a BIblical quote in a public school syearbook...

What is equally strange is that you referred to it as a hate speech?

[Westy]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
That is kind of strange... that the ACLU is defending a BIblical quote in a public school syearbook...

What is equally strange is that you referred to it as a hate speech?


The article was a little vague but it seems as though the quote although from the bible was clearly the views of the student not an official quote from the school. If the quote was from an ambiguous or "official" source it should have been removed.

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Westy
If the School wanted to display that quote it would violate the separation of church and state. As an individual the student had a right to her freedom of speech. while i agree, i would also expect someone who didn't want it in their yearbook to say, "i don't want to be proselytized in the only version of my public school yearbook". And while i also acknowledge a successful counter argument (no doubt used in this case) that this hypothetical student was under no obligation to purchase the yearbook, as is no one is obligated to drive by a creche, menorah, or christmas tree.

i'm just having a time trying to figure them out.
when i think they'll zig, they zag.
Originally posted by golgiaparatus
What is equally strange is that you referred to it as a hate speech?not strange, sardonic.

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Westy
The article was a little vague but it seems as though the quote although from the bible was clearly the views of the student not an official quote from the school. If the quote was from an ambiguous or "official" source it should have been removed. sorta like "in god we trvst" on coinage? Not biblical, certainly, but godly no less.

[Westy]

Originally posted by $tinkle
not strange, sardonic.

I hate sardines.

[Spud]

Originally posted by $tinkle

not strange, sardonic.

Damn, that sounds like GRE vocabulary!

PS $tinkle - been two weeks or so and I haven't recieved a reply to my letter on the March on Washington thing.

[Silver]

I think Westy hit the nail on the head...

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Spud
Damn, that sounds like GRE vocabulary! the G is silentOriginally posted by Spud
PS $tinkle - been two weeks or so and I haven't recieved a reply to my letter on the March on Washington thing. why you bringin' up old stuff? they've moved on, & you need to, too.