Islamic Web site Video shows beheading of man identified as American

[Slugman]

Link - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4953015/

Islamic Web site claims revenge killing

Video shows beheading of man identified as American
The Associated Press
Updated: 1:03 p.m. ET May 11, 2004

CAIRO, Egypt - A video posted Tuesday on an Islamic militant Web site showed a group thought to be affiliated with al-Qaida beheading a man who said he was an American.

The executioners said the man was killed in revenge for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers.

The video showed five men wearing headscarves and black ski masks, standing over a bound man in an orange jumpsuit who identified himself as an American from Philadelphia.

After reading a statement, the men were seen pulling the man to his side and cutting off his head with a large knife. They then held the head out before the camera.

An Islamic militant Web site is showing a video of the beheading of a man identified as an American.

The Web site says it was done in revenge for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

[BurlyShirley]

Well, lets debate this.

I say he was not beheaded.

[Slugman]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Well, lets debate this.

I say he was not beheaded.

I was just curious about people reaction... your response is interesting.

I was hoping to get some deeper feelings about the war and the recent scandal now that the repercussions are starting.

I was hoping by leaving it open people would start with honest comments (instead of me directing the path of the discussion)…but I guess being funny is better.

Anyone else have some good jokes?

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by Slugman
I was just curious about people reaction... your response is interesting.

I was hoping to get some deeper feelings about the war and the recent scandal now that the repercussions are starting.

I was hoping by leaving it open people would start with honest comments (instead of me directing the path of the discussion)…but I guess being funny is better.

Anyone else have some good jokes?

I disagree.

[N8]

Originally posted by Slugman

I was hoping to get some deeper feelings about the war and the recent scandal now that the repercussions are starting.



Hate to confuse you liberal brain with a couple of quickie facts, but, you do remember Daniel Pearl (reporter from the Wall Street Journal) who was beheaded on video back in 2002?

You do remember a day now known as 9/11 where these same people cut the throats of flight attendents in order to take over not one, not two, not three, four fully loaded passenger jets and slam two of them into the WTC, one into the Pentagon and one into a PA field? Total number of US dead around 3,000.

How did some nakkied pix taken in late 2003 cause that?

Please get a grip of yourself and realize that your blind hatered of all things Geo. W. Bush is making you totally irrational.

[sshappy]

Originally posted by N8
Hate to confuse you liberal brain with a couple of quickie facts, but...

Please get a grip of yourself and realize that your blind hatered of all things Geo. W. Bush is making you totally irrational.

Is everything about liberals and republicans?

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by N8

Please get a grip of yourself and realize that your blind hatered of all things Geo. W. Bush is making you totally irrational.

At what point did he indicate what party he was for or against? I found his post informational, interesting, and his commentary far from irrational.

Statements like this invalidate many of your arguments because too many of us simply skim over what you have to say and fill it in with "blah blah blah"

Be nice, and maybe you'll get a good debate/conversation going.

[N8]

Originally posted by sshappy
Is everything about liberals and republicans?

In this case yes it is.

Take a miltary criminal matter, spin it thru the anti-Bush press until it dominates the news. Add in Dim congressmen calling for top admin officials to resign etc... Stick some of the pix on Sen. Kerry's fund raising webpage... etc..

Al Queda knows how to use the US press to further drive a wedge between the US popular opinion and the president of the US and our military mission to eliminate terrorism.

This is totally a political issue at this point.

[N8]

Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
At what point did he indicate what party he was for or against? I found his post informational, interesting, and his commentary far from irrational.

Statements like this invalidate many of your arguments because too many of us simply skim over what you have to say and fill it in with "blah blah blah"

Be nice, and maybe you'll get a good debate/conversation going.

I am basing this on his posts in various places of this fourm. Take this for example:

When you illegally block thousands of voters who you suspect would have voted for Gore (therefore giving Florida to Gore), yeah - it's called stealing.

The UN even published a report about how the election wasn't fair...

[Silver]

Whoa!!!

N8, you do realize that this is like the Grand Wizard of the KKK calling someone a racist....

[N8]

Intersting develpoment:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&u=/ap/20040511/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_beatings&printer=1

[Slugman]

Originally posted by N8
Take a miltary criminal matter, spin it thru the anti-Bush press until it dominates the news. [B]
It's also a DOD issue b/c not all of the abuse was by military personal. Pentagon hired contractors are involved... they report to who?

Originally posted by N8
[B] Add in Dim congressmen calling for top admin officials to resign etc... Stick some of the pix on Sen. Kerry's fund raising webpage... etc..
Actually there are a bunch of Republicans asking for Rummy's head too.
And Bush is the master at using pictures (post 9/11 on Airforce 1, the whole aircraft carrier thing...). Don't act like one side is worse than the other when it comes to propaganda, but admit that both sides use it!

Originally posted by N8
Al Queda knows how to use the US press to further drive a wedge between the US popular opinion and the president of the US and our military mission to eliminate terrorism.
Actually Bush is doing a fine job of creating a wedge w/out Al Queda's help. And the link between Al Queda and Iraq (pre-invasion) was never confirmed, even the white house now admits to that one.

Originally posted by N8
This is totally a political issue at this point.
Only b/c you took it there.

[Silver]

Hey N8, I haven't been listening to Rush, but I usually can tell what he's been talking about by reading your posts.

How is he blaming these pictures on the Clintons? I'd be interested to hear his angle...:p

[sshappy]

Originally posted by N8
This is totally a political issue at this point.
Except perhaps for the dead man and his family and all the other coalition contractors and servicemen in Iraq.

Not everything is a political issue and not every political issue is a case of democrats v's republicans.

[Slugman]

Originally posted by N8
Intersting develpoment:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&u=/ap/20040511/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_beatings&printer=1

The world is not black and white... just b/c I comment on abuse and how I think those who are responsible should be held accountable, it doesn't mean I have said that everyone acted improperly.

I'm sure there are a bunch of false reports - in fact in Bagdad they had news conference with "victims" there to discuss their treatment. The red cross made one of them take off his arm bandage - and it showed that he was never hurt!

You are so far out there that anyone that even SLIGHTLY disagrees with you or brings up a point counter to you is the enemy...

That type of attitude reminds me of a group... Hmmm, 'al' something.

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by Slugman

You are so far out there that anyone that even SLIGHTLY disagrees with you or brings up a point counter to you is the enemy...


N8 and I disagree on some points, I dont think he considers me an enemy, just reasonable. The same could be said about JrB and Lord Opie as well, I beleive, though they're democrats.

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
N8 and I disagree on some points, I dont think he considers me an enemy, just reasonable. The same could be said about JrB and Lord Opie as well, I beleive, though they're democrats.

Ahem...before you go stating my partisanship incorrectly on any public forum...lol...I am neither repulican or democrat so please don't state me as such.

:) :p Although, as I understand it, to many "true partisans" such as yourself that is cause for even further disgust ;).

[N8]

Originally posted by Silver
Hey N8, I haven't been listening to Rush, but I usually can tell what he's been talking about by reading your posts.

How is he blaming these pictures on the Clintons? I'd be interested to hear his angle...:p

Do you want to go for a ride at a certian Wash DC park...???


:devil:

[N8]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
N8 and I disagree on some points, I dont think he considers me an enemy, just reasonable. The same could be said about JrB and Lord Opie as well, I beleive, though they're democrats.


Burly is fine by me... even if he does think John McCain would make a good president.

My job is to counter the huge amount of blind intolerant anti-Bush hatred in RM land. A mission, I might add, that I totally enjoy.

:)

[llkoolkeg]

Originally posted by N8
Do you want to go for a ride at a certian Wash DC park...???
:devil:

fortmarcysaywhat?

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by N8
Burly is fine by me... even if he does think John McCain would make a good president.

My job is to counter the huge amount of blind intolerant anti-Bush hatred in RM land. A mission, I might add, that I totally enjoy.

:)

Might want to work on your guerilla tactics...because so far I don't think your changing any minds...you're just enjoying reading aloud what you wrote...

[N8]

Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Might want to work on your guerilla tactics...because so far I don't think your changing any minds...you're just enjoying reading aloud what you wrote...

I'm not here to change anyone's mind, nor to make friends, I'm here to counter the anti-XXXX with an equal amount of pro-XXXX and in the same manner as my opponents.

If I wanted to be loved then I'd blame everything that's bad that I could on George Bush like numerous others do.

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Ahem...before you go stating my partisanship incorrectly on any public forum...lol...I am neither repulican or democrat so please don't state me as such.

:) :p Although, as I understand it, to many "true partisans" such as yourself that is cause for even further disgust ;).

Just from the stuff you post and your take on issues, it's very easy to call you a democrat, antinonunirregardless of what you call yourself. Im no "true partisan" as could easily be seen by my constant bashing of partisan bickering in any form. Im just conservative.

[Spud]

F^ckers were wearing ski masks. Another reason to hate those goddamn two plankers.

DISCLAIMER: The above is a smart azz comment not meant to infuriate the masses, cause partisan distress, weight loss or be a reflection on the electoral college in particular and the U.S. Constitution as a whole.

That’s a horrible crime, totally disgusting and disheartening. I hope the sick creeps are caught.

[nicklin]

Originally posted by Spud
F^ckers were wearing ski masks. Another reason to hate those goddamn two plankers.

DISCLAIMER: The above is a smart azz comment not meant to infuriate the masses, cause partisan distress, weight loss or be a reflection on the electoral college in particular and the U.S. Constitution as a whole.

That’s a horrible crime, totally disgusting and disheartening. I hope the sick creeps are caught.

people who wear masks are p*ssies, like the Klan. if you are going to kill some one tv at least have the dignity to show your face. I hate when people like that try to reinforce their ego. How is that different from the nazis excecuting civilian while claiming to be the knights of the third reich?

[MMike]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
I disagree.

No you don't

[Spud]

Originally posted by nicklin
people who wear masks are p*ssies, like the Klan. if you are going to kill some one tv at least have the dignity to show your face. I hate when people like that try to reinforce their ego. How is that different from the nazis excecuting civilian while claiming to be the knights of the third reich?

Nicklin, go google Godwin's Law.

Noob :devil:

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by MMike
No you don't

Your mommas head is so bald, when she wears a turtleneck, she looks like a roll-on deoderant.

[golgiaparatus]

These are hardly reprocussions (sp).

Theyve decapatated their fair share of Americans, not to mention the thousands dead from unprovoked terrorist attacks.

How soon we forget that not a few months ago they have the completely mutilated bodies of some contractors and were parading around in the streets with them.

I say that it is rediculous what they did. That kind of BS isnt going to stop or even startle the US forces over there. Hell it will probably piss off another GI and he/she will flip out and beat the living $hit out of an Iraqi captive or worse.

[N8]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
These are hardly reprocussions (sp).

Theyve decapatated their fair share of Americans, not to mention the thousands dead from unprovoked terrorist attacks.

How soon we forget that not a few months ago they have the completely mutilated bodies of some contractors and were parading around in the streets with them.

I say that it is rediculous what they did. That kind of BS isnt going to stop or even startle the US forces over there. Hell it will probably piss off another GI and he/she will flip out and beat the living $hit out of an Iraqi captive or worse.

Holy crap!

Someone actually "Get's It" on this issue...

:eek:

[Andyman_1970]

I may have missed this (if so disregard), how come there is not this same sense of outrage in the Iraqi community (the "normal" ones) about actions of their own, as there was when the Americans mistreated those prisoners?

[Silver]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
I may have missed this (if so disregard), how come there is not this same sense of outrage my the Iraqi community (the "normal" ones) about actions of their own, as there was when the Americans mistreated those prisoners?

Probably because Saddam didn't hold himself up to be a shining beacon of light, justice, and hope for the world like George does.

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
I may have missed this (if so disregard), how come there is not this same sense of outrage my the Iraqi community (the "normal" ones) about actions of their own, as there was when the Americans mistreated those prisoners?

D'you think maybe because they are more desensitized to such things based upon the regime they have lived under and the types of different local gangs of power in communities? I think maybe such tactics are used on Americans because they know the shock value it has on our audiences...whereas over there they are more used to it?

Just a thought...I really have no idea....but humans never really grow up and out of that little kid stage where we do things because we enjoy the reaction others give to our "behavior". But after awhile, people don't react as much to it.

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
I may have missed this (if so disregard), how come there is not this same sense of outrage my the Iraqi community (the "normal" ones) about actions of their own, as there was when the Americans mistreated those prisoners?

al-sadir said it once already in a speech. He said something like "at least with Saddam he wasnt lying and saying he was here to help us".

However, I think they just flat out hate Americans, it has been inprinted on the psyche of the people in that region. Also not only do they harbor plain old hate for us they will hate anybody, those people are so lost they will follow anyone to a big hate party.

[nicklin]

Originally posted by Spud
Nicklin, go google Godwin's Law.

Noob :devil:

fine. a dozen Hammerheads beating up Korean shop keepers. Happy?

[Slugman]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
However, I think they just flat out hate Americans, it has been inprinted on the psyche of the people in that region. Also not only do they harbor plain old hate for us they will hate anybody, those people are so lost they will follow anyone to a big hate party.

Can you blame them... we beat back their advancement into Kuwait (land they were "entitled to") and then refused to finish the job. So we pissed off both those loyal, and those opposed to Sadam. We said we'd help the Kurds, and then abandoned them when Saddam launched a counter attack.

Then they are forced to live under restriction imposed by US led UN (in their view)... through both republican and democratic presidents (trying to be non-partisan with that one).

Really bad PR job...

[Spud]

Don't think, just repeat the mantra.
They hate us because we are free.
They hate us because we are free.
They hate us because we are free.

[N8]

Here's a discription of the video of Islamic terrorists murdering the American Nick Berg ...


"...the video of the beheading of US civilian contractor Nick Berg by his Al-Queda linked captors is brutal and nauseating. The video shows one of Berg s captors kicking him, shoving him to the ground to his left side. The video then shows a captor pull out a large knife and chop his head partially off. The captors then tug and pull until his head pops off. The captors then hold his head up to the camera as if it were a prop. His arteries can still be seen dangling from his head...."


There are a number of links on the web but, no thanks, I'll pass...

:dead:

[nicklin]

Originally posted by N8
Here's a discription of the video of Islamic terrorists murdering the American Nick Berg ...



There are a number of link on the web but, no thanks, I'll pass...

:dead:

yeah...i think i'll pass too.

[Andyman_1970]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970
I may have missed this (if so disregard), how come there is not this same sense of outrage in the Iraqi community (the "normal" ones) about actions of their own, as there was when the Americans mistreated those prisoners?

I guess my problem is (and I probably didn't convey this well enough) is the whole Abrabic community as a whole seems to have ignored this act.

When those prisoners were humiliated and the photos got out, the Arabs (and Arab press) were mad (ok I understand), and the American press fell all over itself to condemn those actions in that prision (in a sense kind of like apologizing for America).

Now the shoe is on the other foot so to speak, and I have not heard a peep (I may be wrong here) from either another Arab gov't or press source condemning the beheading of this American.

So by their silence does that mean they somehow agree with that action? Why do we tolerate such a double standard?

[sshappy]

Here is some reaction from the BBC website readers.

Notable is that from Arabic & Muslim posters.

Click me (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/3706763.stm)

[N8]

Originally posted by Andyman_1970


Now the shoe is on the other foot so to speak, and I have not heard a peep (I may be wrong here) from either another Arab gov't or press source condemning the beheading of this American.

So by their silence does that mean they somehow agree with that action? Why do we tolerate such a double standard?

Because it does not conform to their agenda that's why.

The only Americans who tolerate it are those who think that the US is bad/evil and want the US to fail in the Middle East for a number of mostly political reasons. Also in this catagory are the Americans who think that if we just leave the rest of the world alone, the Islamic terrorists will somehow come to love America and no longer target our citizens or our government.

[sshappy]

Originally posted by N8
Because it does not conform to their agenda that's why.


Why couldn't you just stop there? That is valid, the rest is just the usual rhetoric that turns people off your posts.

No one should tolerate what was done to Nick Berg, it was a horrific act. For anyone to attempt to justify it by the problems in Abu Ghraib is pathetic. What the extremist murdering scum who did this will achieve is a polarization of opinions and quite likely an escalation of atrocities and a deepening of the mess. Sadly that may well be their aim.

[squirrelonabike]

Its funny to me that people never get past the grade school mentality, of he said she said. They blew up our buildings, we blew up most of their country, we put a dog collar on a naked scum sucking piece of sh#t, and they dicapitate theyre captive. It's pointless to debate, cause this will never end. Its not even political anymore, its just stupid! It will go round, and round, and round, and will never end. I say we just pull out our troops, and turn Iraq into glass, with a nuke.

[T-Dog]

Originally posted by N8
I'm not here to change anyone's mind, nor to make friends, I'm here to counter the anti-XXXX with an equal amount of pro-XXXX and in the same manner as my opponents.

If I wanted to be loved then I'd blame everything that's bad that I could on George Bush like numerous others do.

Keep fighting the good fight. :thumb:

[5cents]

I just read some of the reactions from the BBC website.

Now I know that the locations and names, may be made up, but I think this quote really hits it on the head.

"I am a Muslim and I am shocked at the killing of an innocent civilian. This is a very ugly murder and these people should be punished. The atrocities of some American soldiers in Iraqi jails doesn't give anybody an excuse to murder civilians.
Riad El Fadel Raad, Tripoli, Lebanon"

That is it. Period. The people who committed these crimes, and the others before them and those who follow, use any excuse to commit the acts they do.

People, innocents are killed every day, in Gazza, the west bank, etc, by "martyrs." Because they were on a bus, or at dance club, etc. They use excuses, like liberating Plaestine. Giveing back the holy land, etc. But in reality, they are just Murder's. No different than a Crip, who kills a Blood. A White Supremist who kills an African- American. The only difference is why they are commiting the murders.

Justifciation is a tool of the oppressor.

I think the worst part of this whole thing, is the stance that the main Arabic media took. Aljazeera, did not have anything up yesterday, until the story "broke" in the US. And then they took a cautious stance, never even condemened the act.

[/rant]

[Westy]

Originally posted by 5cents
I just read some of the reactions from the BBC website.

Now I know that the locations and names, may be made up, but I think this quote really hits it on the head.

"I am a Muslim and I am shocked at the killing of an innocent civilian. This is a very ugly murder and these people should be punished. The atrocities of some American soldiers in Iraqi jails doesn't give anybody an excuse to murder civilians.
Riad El Fadel Raad, Tripoli, Lebanon"

That is it. Period. The people who committed these crimes, and the others before them and those who follow, use any excuse to commit the acts they do.

People, innocents are killed every day, in Gazza, the west bank, etc, by "martyrs." Because they were on a bus, or at dance club, etc. They use excuses, like liberating Plaestine. Giveing back the holy land, etc. But in reality, they are just Murder's. No different than a Crip, who kills a Blood. A White Supremist who kills an African- American. The only difference is why they are commiting the murders.

Justifciation is a tool of the oppressor.

I think the worst part of this whole thing, is the stance that the main Arabic media took. Aljazeera, did not have anything up yesterday, until the story "broke" in the US. And then they took a cautious stance, never even condemened the act.

[/rant]

[right wing rant]I am sure they are all made up. The BBC is just part of the Liberal Media who is trying to overthrow Bush. By making these people seem like human beings it undermines our attempt to kill them into agreeing with us. [/right wing rant]

Just trying to help N8 out.

[5cents]

Originally posted by Westy
[right wing rant]I am sure they are all made up. The BBC is just part of the Liberal Media who is trying to overthrow Bush. By making these people seem like human beings it undermines our attempt to kill them into agreeing with us. [/right wing rant]

Just trying to help N8 out.

I don't ever remember saying anything about the media trying to overthrowing Bush.

I just wanted to warn people that even though message was from a supposed muslim, in the middle east, that it might be your 12 year old neighbor.

The comments if not made by who we thought made them, don't really mean much.

Oh yeah, I don't think N8 needs help. He seems well versed, and up to date about the happenings around the world.

[squirrelonabike]

The act is a savage, attack on americans, we're all outraged. However we are all sheltered. Those people live with that everyday. Lets not forget, that if they die blowing up themselves and others, thats a free ticket to heaven. Comon the simple fact is that them as a whole are brainwashed to the point of being stupid.

[llkoolkeg]

Originally posted by squirrelonabike
However we are all sheltered.

When the option is senseless, savage murder at the hands of a terrorist whose entire existence is not worth lukewarm piss, I prefer to live a sheltered existence in the good ol' US of A.

[Westy]

Originally posted by 5cents
I don't ever remember saying anything about the media trying to overthrowing Bush.

I just wanted to warn people that even though message was from a supposed muslim, in the middle east, that it might be your 12 year old neighbor.

The comments if not made by who we thought made them, don't really mean much.

Oh yeah, I don't think N8 needs help. He seems well versed, and up to date about the happenings around the world. :cool:

[Dingus McGee]

I just watched The Video....I had to. It's part of this f@#$%ing life. I am so unimpressed with human beings right now. Why is it that the people who are so fervent in their purported beliefs (many of which are great; charity, love, forgiveness, etc) seem also to be the perpetrators of so many of huge and petty crimes against humanity? I'm not talking about Islamic radicals reduced to murder/suicide by abject hopelessness, but the whole lot of Inquisition-ites, doorbell-ringing soul-savers, and general religious-Right persecutors.

Now I get to go have lunch....
:dead:

[Spud]

The murderers in Hezbollah have condemned the killing. These were the same guys responsible for the 1983 bomb attacks on US Marines in Lebanon that killed 350.

My head is spinning.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/040512/15/p/oyu8.html

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by Spud
The murderers in Hezbollah have condemned the killing. These were the same guys responsible for the 1983 bomb attacks on US Marines in Lebanon that killed 350.

My head is spinning.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/040512/15/p/oyu8.html

They only condemn it because it dont agree with its timing.

They would rather milk the US prison abuse headlines for all they are worth before they cover them up with a murdered american.

Im sure they had no problem with the murder itself.

[BurlyShirley]

*conspiracy theory.


US agents set up the murder to take pressure of Bush, Rumsfeld for prison scandle.:dead:

[Silver]

Why the orange jumpsuit?

[Spud]

edit - skip it, just more bickering....

[Westy]

Originally posted by Dingus McGee
I just watched The Video....I had to. It's part of this f@#$%ing life. I am so unimpressed with human beings right now. Why is it that the people who are so fervent in their purported beliefs (many of which are great; charity, love, forgiveness, etc) seem also to be the perpetrators of so many of huge and petty crimes against humanity? I'm not talking about Islamic radicals reduced to murder/suicide by abject hopelessness, but the whole lot of Inquisition-ites, doorbell-ringing soul-savers, and general religious-Right persecutors.

Now I get to go have lunch....
:dead:

I hate to admit it but as a whole I feel that humans are despicable. As individuals most people are decent but as a whole we are incredibly violent and destructive, not just to each other but everything we come in contact with.

[Shortbus]

I faking hate humans. I am ashamed of my species.

[N8]

So what are the solutions to the situation? Do we attempt to with draw from the world into a per-WWII isolationist nation? Do we suck-up to the terrorists and conform to their demands?

The situation defined by those who are wanting to behead American civilians, burn American civilians, destroy our skyscrapers full of civilians, etc.

[Shortbus]

Originally posted by N8
So what are the solutions to the situation? Do we attempt to with draw from the world into a per-WWII isolationist nation? Do we suck-up to the terrorists and conform to their demands?

The situation defined by those who are wanting to behead American civilians, burn American civilians, destroy our skyscrapers full of civilians, etc.

solution is newqular warfare. :D

[N8]

....mmm... a little nukie never hurt anyone....

[squirrelonabike]

Didn't I already suggest we nuke em?
However I kinda like the consipiracy thing. That would be somthing our government would think they could get away with. Well at least a Republican government. The Democrats wouldn't have the balls.

[llkoolkeg]

Originally posted by Silver
Why the orange jumpsuit?
The terrorists listen to old Snoop Dogg discs in their Isuzu panel van on the way to a kidnapping. That or they got hold of one worn by an Iraqi prisoner and appreciate symbolism. :confused:

Originally posted by N8
....mmm... a little nukie never hurt anyone....
Yeah, but then you'd burn up and irradiate too much valuable oil. You need to be able to turn the terrorists into pillars of salt on a plain of glass w/o all that extra "collateral damage".

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by llkoolkeg
Yeah, but then you'd burn up and irradiate too much valuable oil. You need to be able to turn the terrorists into pillars of salt on a plain of glass w/o all that extra "collateral damage". actually, wouldn't you just free up all the natural gas that has to be burned off anyway to get to the crude? I see it as a freebie.

along those lines, if we can assume that every species/culture has a tipping point to submission, would one tipping point for muslim extremists/apologists be to nuke mecca at the next hajj?

(edit: haven't yet decided if i want a tactical neutron nuke (antiseptic), or theater nuke a-la bikini island (quite septic))

i expect the first reading of that paragraph seems harsh, but i've yet to see their culture being civilized as a whole - not that we're a beaming example...


just freestylin'

[Shortbus]

In all seriousness, this act and others those cowards have committed are dispicable (sp?) and horrid. I've seen clips of the video and it just turned my stomach. I can barely imagine what his family is going through... Similar acts are an everyday thing in countries like Rwanda though. Stuff like that being done to children and toddlers in front of their parents who shortly follow... I just don't understand people at all.....


Christian -

[Shortbus]

Actually a ton of people die every year at the hajj because of their own ignorant ways... stampedes, fires, suffocations, etc etc etc.... Been there seen it for WAY too long... In all honesty my opinion is that the arab world (as a whole) was a lot more evolved in the late 70s than it is nowadays... And they just keep evolving backwards... America imposing freedom on such cultures is only adding fuel to the fire IMO.

Christian -

Originally posted by $tinkle
actually, wouldn't you just free up all the natural gas that has to be burned off anyway to get to the crude? I see it as a freebie.

along those lines, if we can assume that every species/culture has a tipping point to submission, would one tipping point for muslim extremists/apologists be to nuke mecca at the next hajj?

(edit: haven't yet decided if i want a tactical neutron nuke (antiseptic), or theater nuke a-la bikini island (quite septic)

i expect the first reading of that paragraph seems harsh, but i've yet to see their culture being civilized as a whole - not that we're a beaming example...


just freestylin'

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Shortbus
Actually a ton of people die every year at the hajj because of their own ignorant ways... stampedes, fires, suffocations, etc etc etc.... kinda like "burning man" with the qu'ran?Originally posted by Shortbus
In all honesty my opinion is that the arab world (as a whole) was a lot more evolved in the late 70s than it is nowadays... And they just keep evolving backwards... America imposing freedom on such cultures is only adding fuel to the fire IMO.

Christian - and in my honest opinion, i love other cultures, & find theirs rather fascinating, albeit mundane. And not to nitpic, but i don't see the eradication of hostile gov'ts, factions, & the like as "imposing freedom". Just my take.

if you would indulge me (& curious others), would you post a good link to the video? as macabre as it may be, i think the viewing should be a readily available option to fully understand our nebulous enemy.

[Shortbus]

I actually got snapshots of the video in my email, i.e. pictures. its gruesome and doesn't look like it was fast nor painless either. I have no where to post those pics for now but am sure they must be all over the net.... I have NO desire to watch that video either.


Christian -

[squirrelonabike]

Maybe a dumb question, but I thought they killed him and then cut off his head. He wasn't dead? I don't see him just laying there for that. If he was still alive, then we deffinately need to nuke them, cause obviously some lives just aren't worth saving.

[Shortbus]

I'm not sure, you might be right they might have killed him beforehand. I would hope so for him.

A common practise in the middle east during public beheadings (every friday) is to either drug the 'accused' to get em real passive, and/or drain a lot of their blood before getting em out there just so that they're passive like that or half-knocked out as you described...

Christian -

[squirrelonabike]

and people question why they aren't outraged by the actions taken by these murderers. Its so common to them, that its used for date night entertainment. Imagine the advertisement for that, "men, and your bitches, nobody stole any bread this week, so we're gunna randomly select a woman from the audince, rip off her vail, then cut off her head cause she showed her face. Oh, and any one wanting to get get into heaven, tonight would be a great day to blow up a bunch of children."

[squirrelonabike]

WHAT A BUNCH OF SICK F#CKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[llkoolkeg]

Sadly, a bound, defeseless and very much alert victim was shoved over and pressed into the floor face down by one attacker while another proceeded to saw off his head from behind. The bucking, screaming and inefficient choice of decapitation tool(a big knife) caused the sickening scene to last about a minute according to elapse of time as indicated on the video's counter.

Anyone capable of participating in such a horrifying murder is as socially and emotionally lifeless as the corpse that resulted from the vile and evil deed. :dead: :angry: :angry: :angry:

[Slugman]

Originally posted by Shortbus
I'm not sure, you might be right they might have killed him beforehand. I would hope so for him.

A common practise in the middle east during public beheadings (every friday) is to either drug the 'accused' to get em real passive, and/or drain a lot of their blood before getting em out there just so that they're passive like that or half-knocked out as you described...

Christian -

He was alive and screaming while they cut his head off... they had to hold him down b/c he was struggling!

[Silver]

Originally posted by squirrelonabike
Maybe a dumb question, but I thought they killed him and then cut off his head. He wasn't dead? I don't see him just laying there for that. If he was still alive, then we deffinately need to nuke them, cause obviously some lives just aren't worth saving.

Yeah, because nuclear weapons are so precise. You could easily target five guys with them, couldn't you?

You're either an imbecile or a psychopath. If you believe in God, you may want to consider applying for work with the Bush campaign, I'm sure they'd be glad to have another intellectual of your stature.

[Shortbus]

It's on the news every thursday night/friday morning, they announce the names, reasons and times of executions for people to show up. very true. At least in Saudi Arabia they do that. Women never get decapitated, they get stoned to death by the public. I think it's also on friday afternoons. only men get decapitated though.

For example accusation of adultery in saudi arabia gets you executed whether you are male or (ESPECIALLY) female. Now think about how easy to prove adultery is :rolleyes:. Especially when the justice system constitutes of and is run by very rich muslim extremist group leaders. (i.e. those people with beards running to their crotches and real sweet welcoming faces)


welcome to the middle east.

We in america are actually very shielded and protected from all these atrocities that happen all over the place... (mostly by the media). For example watch french news or chinese news (not that i understand any of the latter) and see how their (VIDEO) coverage of our soldiers getting shot in iraq and americans running out of tanks covered in blood is all there. and very little comment. Then switch to CNN. they show you a car on fire and some iraqis jumping up and down with some stupid arse rifles and pictures in their arms and some dumb-arse blonde bimbo b!tch news reporter with 30 lbs of make-up making some stupid arse comments that are completely irrelevant and yet will eventually influence our government's descisions...

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Silver
You're either an imbecile or a psychopath.
or she's upset and emotional... as we all are. It's very upsetting to even contemplate a dude getting his head slowly chopped off while conscious for part of it.

Instead of being reactionary, consider another possiblity

[Shortbus]

Originally posted by Silver
Yeah, because nuclear weapons are so precise. You could easily target five guys with them, couldn't you?

You're either an imbecile or a psychopath. If you believe in God, you may want to consider applying for work with the Bush campaign, I'm sure they'd be glad to have another intellectual of your stature.

yeah, really, relax, no one is seriously saying go nuke them....

[Silver]

Originally posted by LordOpie
or she's upset and emotional... as we all are. It's very upsetting to even contemplate a dude getting his head slowly chopped off while conscious for part of it.

Instead of being reactionary, consider another possiblity

Upset and emotional people who aren't crazy don't advocate dropping nuclear bombs to kill five people.

Unless they are stupid (don't realize what a nuclear weapon does) or psychotic (don't care.)

[Shortbus]

Originally posted by llkoolkeg
Sadly, a bound, defeseless and very much alert victim was shoved over and pressed into the floor face down by one attacker while another proceeded to saw off his head from behind. The bucking, screaming and inefficient choice of decapitation tool(a big knife) caused the sickening scene to last about a minute according to elapse of time as indicated on the video's counter.

Anyone capable of participating in such a horrifying murder is as socially and emotionally lifeless as the corpse that resulted from the vile and evil deed. :dead: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Thanks for clarifying Chris. What you described is what I had thought....

I've been sick to my stomach all morning because of this... Really makes me SICK. There is nothing vengefull that could be done back to those people that would make this right. It's just horriible. This is a man who went to Iraq to help rebuild that country, that was just freed from a tyrant dictator murderer. That's what they did to him.... makes me SICK.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Silver
Upset and emotional people who aren't crazy don't advocate dropping nuclear bombs to kill five people.

Unless they are stupid (don't realize what a nuclear weapon does) or psychotic (don't care.)
well, if dropping a nuke is psychotic, then I don't wanna be normal! :devil:

[Shortbus]

Originally posted by Silver
Upset and emotional people who aren't crazy don't advocate dropping nuclear bombs to kill five people.

Unless they are stupid (don't realize what a nuclear weapon does) or psychotic (don't care.)

nobody's advocating anything. And i'm sure someone saying nuke em on a mtnbike message board cause they just saw an american being put to death for nothing will not influence a whole country to launch off its nukes... We're just pissed.

[Shortbus]

Originally posted by LordOpie
well, if dropping a nuke is psychotic, then I don't wanna be normal! :devil:

trust me nuking wouldn't 'really' solve anything. ;)

[Silver]

Originally posted by Shortbus
nobody's advocating anything. And i'm sure someone saying nuke em on a mtnbike message board cause they just saw an american being put to death for nothing will not influence a whole country to launch off its nukes... We're just pissed.

Someone saying "we definately need to nuke them" and no one saying anything bothers me more.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Silver
Someone saying "we definately need to nuke them" and no one saying anything bothers me more.
here ya go... http://www.lunapads.com/images/dynamic/product/4_medium.jpg :devil:

[squirrelonabike]

Actually, I would like to pull out the children, cause they don't know any better. But like it was just said, we americans are sheltered from the media. If we get this pissed by what we see, after its been screened, imagine what we're missing. Hell yeah, I'm sick of the sensless killing. "gosh that guy doesn't believe in my god so I'm gunna kill his kids, and wife, and then cut off his head". The whole mentality is screwed up, they aren't even human. So we obviously can't beat them, cause we sure have been trying for years. So I say join them. Its theyre belief that people of different beliefs deserve to die. So if we kill all of em that just means we get to go to heaven. And yeah I'm pissed, but if you can't catch sarcasm as its being spread, maybe you shouldn't be in a political forum, try church they like your kind there.

[squirrelonabike]

Oh yeah by the way lord opie I'm a dude, women don't like nukes, thats why they can't be president. (once again, sarcasm)

[Shortbus]

Originally posted by squirrelonabike
Actually, I would like to pull out the children, cause they don't know any better. But like it was just said, we americans are sheltered from the media. If we get this pissed by what we see, after its been screened, imagine what we're missing. Hell yeah, I'm sick of the sensless killing. "gosh that guy doesn't believe in my god so I'm gunna kill his kids, and wife, and then cut off his head". The whole mentality is screwed up, they aren't even human. So we obviously can't beat them, cause we sure have been trying for years. So I say join them. Its theyre belief that people of different beliefs deserve to die. So if we kill all of em that just means we get to go to heaven. And yeah I'm pissed, but if you can't catch sarcasm as its being spread, maybe you shouldn't be in a political forum, try church they like your kind there.

The inherent problem is that in some of the middle eastern countries, these savages are a minority. Yet they can get so much sh!t stired up.
The scary thing is that these minorities are getting more and more followers by the day. IS america to blame? I don't think so. These people are out for blood. If not american they'd find someone else/something else to be pissed about and kill.

And they are promised 72 virgins to serve them in heaven I believe when they die killing a 'non-believer'


Remember the butcherings in Africa? this (iraq etc) is honestly very modest compared to what happened there. Was america to blame? not really, the same kind of savages were just out for blood. They were amputating decapitating their owns frigging villages for crying out loud. America just happens to try and step in every once in a while and help out. And america gets a lot of sh!t about it... Even and especially lately from its own people. I don't understand that either...

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Silver
Upset and emotional people who aren't crazy don't advocate dropping nuclear bombs to kill five people.i say there's a few more than five (who was holding the camera?). But seriously, i defend the actions of nagasaki & hiroshima based upon the forecast of fewer lives lost for an all out war.
this is different on many levels, but is it different enough to not consider it?Originally posted by Silver
Unless they are stupid (don't realize what a nuclear weapon does) or psychotic (don't care.) i'm fully aware of what a nuke does, just check out this photo essay (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed) of the cherynobyl region, which is fairly representative of massive fallout. What i'm struggling with is your 2nd part: caring. Not to troll, but what's there to care about?

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by squirrelonabike
Oh yeah by the way lord opie I'm a dude, women don't like nukes, thats why they can't be president. (once again, sarcasm)
hmm, you post like a woman

:D

[squirrelonabike]

Ladies and Gentleman, after a vote of 50 I's for and 50 I's against, its ruled that the I's have it. So I called ol W. and he said well if ride monkey wants it, let em have it. NUKE EM!

[squirrelonabike]

You should here me on my 900 number, go ahead call it
1-900- fuc-kyou :D (more sarcasm) do I have to keep saying that so he gets it?

[Silver]

Originally posted by squirrelonabike
Actually, I would like to pull out the children, cause they don't know any better. But like it was just said, we americans are sheltered from the media. If we get this pissed by what we see, after its been screened, imagine what we're missing. Hell yeah, I'm sick of the sensless killing. "gosh that guy doesn't believe in my god so I'm gunna kill his kids, and wife, and then cut off his head". The whole mentality is screwed up, they aren't even human. So we obviously can't beat them, cause we sure have been trying for years. So I say join them. Its theyre belief that people of different beliefs deserve to die. So if we kill all of em that just means we get to go to heaven. And yeah I'm pissed, but if you can't catch sarcasm as its being spread, maybe you shouldn't be in a political forum, try church they like your kind there.

Exhibit A, Opie:

"they aren't even human."

So squirrelonabike, should we rape them all first, or just be nice and launch the missile?

Maybe next we could take all the Muslims in this country and put them into camps...since that would be expensive, we could have factories at the camps, and make them work to pay off their room and board...take the children (under 5, young enough so that they are pliable) and educate them and turn them into good Christians.

How does that sound? I'd hate to waste taxpayer money on the eradication...

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by squirrelonabike
Oh yeah by the way lord opie I'm a dude, women don't like nukes, thats why they can't be president. (once again, sarcasm) looks like it's time for an unambiguous avi!

http://www.fissure.org/humour/pics/squirrel.jpg

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Silver
Exhibit A, Opie:

"they aren't even human."
yeah, he does seem to be digging his own hole, huh?

[Silver]

Originally posted by $tinkle
i say there's a few more than five (who was holding the camera?). But seriously, i defend the actions of nagasaki & hiroshima based upon the forecast of fewer lives lost for an all out war.
this is different on many levels, but is it different enough to not consider it?i'm fully aware of what a nuke does, just check out this photo essay (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed) of the cherynobyl region, which is fairly representative of massive fallout. What i'm struggling with is your 2nd part: caring. Not to troll, but what's there to care about?

Hmm...how many Americans have died as a result of terrorist attacks?

How many were predicted to die in an assault on the Japanese home islands?

The difference is scale. Which is also the difference between a bullet and a nuclear weapon.

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Silver
Someone saying "we definately need to nuke them" and no one saying anything bothers me more. kinda like: "kills all the dirty jews!", but no islamic group decrying this screed.

i know what you mean

[Silver]

Originally posted by $tinkle
kinda like: "kills all the dirty jews!", but no islamic group decrying this screed.

i know what you mean

Fair enough. If you don't mind having the same level of morality as people who advocate genocide, who am I to argue.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by $tinkle
kinda like: "kills all the dirty jews!"
must be why they want us to take a "shower" first :( :dead:

I do wish muslims would speak up against violence, but I'm sure there are enough of 'em who disagree and remain silent for one reason or another.

[squirrelonabike]

Hey I can't help it, I'm just repeating what the grand Dragon, told us at our last meeting (more sarcasm)
So you'd rather spend our tax money, sending our expendable youth to Iraq, to pick and choose wich ones we eradicate. There job must be really easy. "so private, your gunna go into this town, they all have guns, and they all hate you, but you can only shoot at the ones that wanna hurt you." now hurry up and win the war, cause its an election year!

[squirrelonabike]

ok on a lighter note, how can I make that picture show up under my name, that was awesome!

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by squirrelonabike
ok on a lighter note, how can I make that picture show up under my name, that was awesome! save this to disk, goto usercp, change options, upload avatar

[Dingus McGee]

Originally posted by $tinkle
i'm fully aware of what a nuke does, just check out this photo essay (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed) of the cherynobyl region, which is fairly representative of massive fallout. What i'm struggling with is your 2nd part: caring. Not to troll, but what's there to care about?

Hey that was a cool way to spend/waste 20 minutes...thanks!!

here's a better link to the Ninja rider in the wasteland and HER website: http://www.kiddofspeed.com/default.htm

[Silver]

Originally posted by squirrelonabike
So you'd rather spend our tax money, sending our expendable youth to Iraq, to pick and choose wich ones we eradicate.

Exhibit 2...

Kill them all...God will know his own?

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Silver
Exhibit 2...

Kill them all...God will know his own? i'm just sayin'...

when you got your m-14 set on rock-n-roll, would you rather hear anya's "carribean moon", or "jump in the fire", "metal militia"?

to me, it's a clear choice (http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=2261)

[squirrelonabike]

Kill em all? why can't we all just get a long (neck).
Seriously, maybe we could get all the world leaders to go to a big jamboree, sit around a campfire, and sing kumbaya. They could hold hands, but thats against jamboree policy.

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by LordOpie
hmm, you post like a woman

:D

http://www.cripplefight.com/smileys/nutkick.gif

[Shortbus]

Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
http://www.cripplefight.com/smileys/nutkick.gif

mebbe he WANTS you to be a woman?

:D

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by Shortbus
mebbe he WANTS you to be a woman?

:D

Hellloooooo....I am a woman...you big lugnuts!:o: :p

Thus the reason for being annoyed that he claims squirrell argues like a woman :rolleyes:

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Shortbus
mebbe he WANTS you to be a woman?

:D
Jr_B's milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Thus the reason for being annoyed that he claims squirrell argues like a woman :rolleyes:
he does, I thought maybe you had gotten a second RM acct and was posting at the squirrel :devil:

[Westy]

Originally posted by LordOpie
Jr_B's milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.


he does, I thought maybe you had gotten a second RM acct and was posting at the squirrel :devil:

Unpossible. None of Squirrels posts have exceeded 2000 words, JR_B's trademark.

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by Westy
Unpossible. None of Squirrels posts have exceeded 2000 words, JR_B's trademark.

See ...there ya go...:) :D Few can out wordcount me ;)

[squirrelonabike]

Hey quit talking about squirrel behind my back. I'm still trying to figure out what a woman posts like. Maybe he's just attracted to me. I have that problem a lot with women, maybe he fines my charms irresistable. Or perhaps the thought of blowing up all those bastards, just got him so excited he just thought of me in a special way. Either way I'll take it as a complement. I really like the idea of being classed with jr-B. To me that is the best of company. I'm trying to make this a long a possible, but I just ran out of breath.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Westy
Unpossible. None of Squirrels posts have exceeded 2000 words, JR_B's trademark.
or her very special way with words, like "unpossible" or "irregardless" or "postanakedpictureofyourselfJr_B"



subliminal man strikes again! :devil:

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by LordOpie
"postanakedpictureofyourselfJr_B"
subliminal man strikes again! :devil:

http://www.cripplefight.com/smileys/umno.gif

http://www.cripplefight.com/smileys/slap.gif


Opie darling, your posts of the past few days would indicate it's been awhile. Perhaps ya oughtta take care of these matters in some form or other...

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by squirrelonabike
Hey quit talking about squirrel behind my back. I'm still trying to figure out what a woman posts like. Maybe he's just attracted to me. I have that problem a lot with women, maybe he fines my charms irresistable. Or perhaps the thought of blowing up all those bastards, just got him so excited he just thought of me in a special way. Either way I'll take it as a complement. I really like the idea of being classed with jr-B. To me that is the best of company. I'm trying to make this a long a possible, but I just ran out of breath.

Do I really run on this much? :confused: Oy...I guess I need to work on pointed and short posts where I can expand on my point over four or five different posts slowly over time..

[squirrelonabike]

I like hearing you talk:rolleyes:

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Do I really run on this much? :confused: Oy...I guess I need to work on pointed and short posts where I can expand on my point over four or five different posts slowly over time..
maybe you should have Rhino's title instead? :D

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by squirrelonabike
I like hearing you talk:rolleyes:

I like hearing me talk too! :p Especially to myself out loud in the bathroom where it echos.

:thumb:

[laura]

Originally posted by squirrelonabike
Oh yeah by the way lord opie I'm a dude, women don't like nukes, thats why they can't be president. (once again, sarcasm)


good thing you reafirmed your manhood by making a comment about women being incapable. what would we do without manly men like you to keep us in our place. :rolleyes: :p

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by laura
good think you reafirmed your manhood by making a comment about women being incapable. what would we do without manly men like you to keep us in our place. :rolleyes: :p
without men you women would just ride your bikes all day and get nothing done!

[laura]

Originally posted by LordOpie
without men you women would just ride your bikes all day and get nothing done!


BWAH! exactly. f'in men. ;)

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by LordOpie
without men you women would just ride your bikes all day and get nothing done! you ever see a girl change her own flat, or take a bad link off a chain, or pull cactus out of her own butt?

i'm just sayin'...

[Shortbus]

Originally posted by $tinkle
you ever see a girl change her own flat, or take a bad link off a chain, or pull cactus out of her own butt?

i'm just sayin'...

women would never do that stuff cause then their hands would be too rough and dirty to prepare my dinner :D


J.U.S.T -- K.I.D.D.I.N.G!!!!!

sheesh i hope chrome doesn't read this thread :D:p

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by $tinkle
you ever see a girl change her own flat, or take a bad link off a chain, or pull cactus out of her own butt?

i'm just sayin'...

Girls...nah, of course not, the definition of the girls you speak of tend to closely resemble the guy who feels it necessary to make such claims.

However, most of the women I know, have no problems changing their flats, taking a bad link off, maintaining or building her own bike, pissing behind trees, and so on. :)

edited for spelling

[laura]

Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Girls...nah, of course not, the definition of the girls you speak of tend to closely resemble the guy who feels it necessary to make such claims.

However, most of the women I know, have no problems changing their flats, taking a bad link off, maintaining or building her own bike, pissing behind tries, and so on. :)


:monkey:


men who surround themselves with incompetent women have issues.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Girls...nah, of course not, the definition of the girls you speak of tend to closely resemble the guy who feels it necessary to make such claims.

However, most of the women I know, have no problems changing their flats, taking a bad link off, maintaining or building her own bike, pissing behind trees, and so on. :)

edited for spelling
$tinkleTrolled.you++;

[Jr_Bullit]

Originally posted by LordOpie
$tinkleTrolled.you++;

Sure he did...;) but only cuz he didn't know any better :D

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Sure he did...;) but only cuz he didn't know any better :D
:confused: :monkey:

was that a Bush-ism?

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by LordOpie
:confused: :monkey:

was that a Bush-ism? it's part of embiggening my strategery

[squirrelonabike]

Laura, you missed the part that said (sarcasm again) Could someone please define sarcasm for her and silver. I actually am very supportive of my wife. She is still learning about her bikes, but she can change a tire. And just last weekend she went and jumped out of a perfectly good airplane. She did it with 2 of her girlfriends (I wish). Unfortuneately I was working. So yeah girls are good for somethings.:devil:

[-BB-]

HOLT SH!T

I saw the whole video.
Made me sick:angry: :blah:

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by -BB-
HOLT SH!T

I saw the whole video.
Made me sick:angry: :blah:
why did you watch it?

[$tinkle]

may come as no surprise, but beheading is a sacred muslim practice. The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi’ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a seminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the following, based on widely accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunna (i.e., the recorded words and deeds of Muhammad), regarding infidel prisoners of jihad campaigns:
“As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Allah, may he be exalted, says, 'When you encounter those [infidels] who deny [the Truth=Islam] then strike [their] necks' (Qur'an sura 47, verse 4)”....Abu’l-Hasan al-Mawardi, al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah." [The Laws of Islamic Governance, trans. by Dr. Asadullah Yate, (London), Ta-Ha Publishers Ltd., 1996, p. 192]also: "Those who were brought in alive [having surrendered] were ordered beheaded, after which a tower of skulls was erected in the camp." [The Baburnama -Memoirs of Babur, Prince and Emperor, translated and edited by Wheeler M. Thacktson, Oxford University Press,1996, p. 188.]didja catch that? surrender & get beheaded. Just one of the many reasons why we need to see this through to absolute, unconditional victory

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by $tinkle
surrender & get beheaded.
:eek:

[Shortbus]

Originally posted by $tinkle
may come as no surprise, but beheading is a sacred muslim practice. The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi’ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a seminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the following, based on widely accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunna (i.e., the recorded words and deeds of Muhammad), regarding infidel prisoners of jihad campaigns:also: didja catch that? surrender & get beheaded. Just one of the many reasons why we need to see this through to absolute, unconditional victory

You pretty much nailed it right on.


My opinion of islam is it's a religion of peace and love and friendship towards other muslims (and even that nowadays has a lot of muslim categories who butcher each other).

So basically love your fellow muslims and be peaceful to them, on the other hand go butcher pretty much everything else out there. "INFIDELS" they call us. GREAT!

You will notice a big muslim symbol is the sword. (i.e. see saudi flag and other symbols). Do you think it's a coincidence that's their symbol? I think not.

[squirrelonabike]

The pen is mightier than the sword. However an m-16 kicks total ass!

[Shortbus]

I'm still SO pissed to see that there's 100X more debates and stupid ass media coverage on the case of the iraqi prisoner pictures than the soldiers and civilians america looses every day there...

We try to be so faking politically correct about stupid arse things -so that dam hippy protestors shut the hell up- that we miss the whole point and development of things nowadays...

We're obviously more preoccupied with a handful of iraqi terrorist's shameful pictures and how they feel now.... :rolleyes:
Same people who are running after us infidels and salughtering us btw...

"JOHN, Do you think they like the crackers they're given after they're captured? What are the reports on what those iraqis FEEL after their naked pictures have been put out, do you think they'll ever score again? Do you think they'll still be as popular in their highschool reunions?" "What if we send Rumsfelt (however he's stupidly spelled) over to that prison to make those iraqis feel better?" "Oh by the way another handful of americans were brutally killed today in iraq, but let's now take a break to show you our sponsors... more on those iraqi prisoners after the break"


WHO THE HELL CARES.

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Shortbus
So basically love your fellow muslims and be peaceful to them, on the other hand go butcher pretty much everything else out there. "INFIDELS" they call us. GREAT!or, dirty kuffar (http://www.theopenunderground.de/war/DIRTY-KUFFAR_Hi.wmv) (hi res, windoze media). (low res, realaudio (http://www.theopenunderground.de/war/Dirty-Kuffar-Low.ram))

what else would you come to expect in a part of the world where a third of the population is functionally illiterate (http://www.egyptguide.net/education/growingup/)?

[Shortbus]

Originally posted by $tinkle
or, dirty kuffar (http://www.theopenunderground.de/war/DIRTY-KUFFAR_Hi.wmv) (hi res, windoze media). (low res, realaudio (http://www.theopenunderground.de/war/Dirty-Kuffar-Low.ram))

what else would you come to expect in a part of the world where a third of the population is functionally illiterate (http://www.egyptguide.net/education/growingup/)?

In my 16 yrs in Saudi arabia i've been called a "kaffer" more times than i could ever remember. I actually got used to it to the point where it didn't even bother me....

I think it's over a third of the population that can't read/write.

[squirrelonabike]

So what are we gunna do about it. I'm kinda bored with this whole thing. You know we've exceeded the average americans attention span for news. I think by tommorow we better come up with a new more contreversial topic. I heard rumsfield is a cross dresser!

[nicklin]

Originally posted by Shortbus
You pretty much nailed it right on.


My opinion of islam is it's a religion of peace and love and friendship towards other muslims (and even that nowadays has a lot of muslim categories who butcher each other).

So basically love your fellow muslims and be peaceful to them, on the other hand go butcher pretty much everything else out there. "INFIDELS" they call us. GREAT!

You will notice a big muslim symbol is the sword. (i.e. see saudi flag and other symbols). Do you think it's a coincidence that's their symbol? I think not.

again right on, always thought it was odd but i thought it was just me. basically we got a bunch of people not unsimilar to the crusaders and spanicsh inquisition like bastards who will butch others at will. just look at places like indonesia and malasia, where muslims killed their ethnic chinese neighbors, gang raped the girls in fron the whole family, tortured the adults and made the kids torture their parents. these people are sick, it makes me puke. I don't plan to be a muslim any time soon, and i guess i am going to hell, but at least i live my life like a real human being, not a f8cking animal

[Old_Dude]

Just one of the many reasons why we need to see this through to absolute, unconditional victory

Anyone who thinks this can be "won" is totally, totally living in a fantasy world that I can't understand. Like the people who smoke, become fat and think politicians are generally honest - I just don't understand people in that category.

Dude, any way you cut it, there is no victory possible. What we're dealing with now is how to minimize the needless deaths of our troops.

By attacking Iraq, George W. Bush, nearly singlehandedly, has created a gigantic mess. He is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Americans, and between 8000 and 10000 Iraqi civilians. Now, I don't blame the Islamic world for their attitude towards the United States. If they were undecided or impartial to our nation and our values before our attack on Iraq, now they have an extremely valid reason to sympathize with their anti-American extremests.

I found a great link this afternoon at work about why their civilization will never prosper as long as we are there. Many experts from around the world have been musing the potential outcomes when we finally withdraw from Iraq. I'll try to find it and post the link. It's really worth considering.

Ooops - I should have said something like - it's really worth reading for anyone who is interested in understanding the truth. Many of the people who post here would never fit within that category. Perhaps they're too busy eating bad food, smoking cigarettes and toasting their "Commander in Chief".

Happy riding,

OD

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Old_Fart
<snivelling in various font weights & hues>i think i've got you figured out: you're absolutely scared out of your (assumed) wits, hence "scared witless". As well, you should be. You're afflicted with a megrim: you can't get your head around the fact that until 9/11 - the "tipping point" - terrorism was handled with a containment policy; but now, we know absolutely we have to make asymetric responses which get seen all the way through; now is not the time for half-measures.

Having served during gulf war I, & throughout the 90's, I know only too well what we're capable of doing, and that knowledge is from training, not from action, which is to say, I have only a glimpse of our terrifying potential.

Having also studied the enemy & getting to know their culture, the terrorists - more specifically jihadists - are a bunch of pussies who shoot from the shadows & exploit their vast resources of ignorant masses to launch soul-first into martyrdom. They also do well on the feeble minded sycophants of the delusional left, as evidenced every time you spout off at the keys.

As far as them "not being able to do well as long as we're there", do tell me what they've done in the last 400 hundred years. It doesn't take a MacGyver to get a backpack full of semtec to go off with a cellphone. You ever been to morocco? Try to find a real name brand technology product. All they have is one-off brands (Sanyu, Tochibi, Compact). Ever try to negotiate traffic in Cairo? Make a hotel or restaurant reservation & actually have it honored? Most of the middle east is still impoverished, uneducated, paranoid & subjugated. I'm interested in that "link" (re-hosted from democraticunderground?) which was so enlightening. In addition to being ignorant of our military potential (& restraint in most cases), you also seem to be a neophyte with the internet. You'll "try & find the link? It's not like trying to find waldo in greyscale.

Ok, let's wrap this up so you can get back to fake taking a dump so you can quietly masturbate to the latest noam chomsky tome: i prefer to debate, but i'll entertain your hello kitty postings as well.

[squirrelonabike]

Wow everyone in here is getting soooooo touchy, and long winded, cmon guys, you tyin to compete with jr-b. Either way, I think your both kinda right. The US military is capable of doing whatever the hell it wants. However George W. seems to think he can do whatever he wants with it. Wich would work, if it were'nt for the damn media trying to make sure everything is politicaly correct, and fair. Gosh darn golly gee whiz, its a war what do those dumb ass tree huggin hippies expect?

[nicklin]

Originally posted by $tinkle
....
Having served during gulf war I, & throughout the 90's, I know only too well what we're capable of doing, and that knowledge is from training, not from action, which is to say, I have only a glimpse of our terrifying potential.

Having also studied the enemy & getting to know their culture, the terrorists - more specifically jihadists - are a bunch of pussies who shoot from the shadows & exploit their vast resources of ignorant masses to launch soul-first into martyrdom. They also do well on the feeble minded sycophants of the delusional left, as evidenced every time you spout off at the keys.

As far as them "not being able to do well as long as we're there", do tell me what they've done in the last 400 hundred years. It doesn't take a MacGyver to get a backpack full of semtec to go off with a cellphone. You ever been to morocco? Try to find a real name brand technology product. All they have is one-off brands (Sanyu, Tochibi, Compact). Ever try to negotiate traffic in Cairo? Make a hotel or restaurant reservation & actually have it honored? Most of the middle east is still impoverished, uneducated, paranoid & subjugated. I'm interested in that "link" (re-hosted from democraticunderground?) which was so enlightening. In addition to being ignorant of our military potential (& restraint in most cases), you also seem to be a neophyte with the internet. You'll "try & find the link? It's not like trying to find waldo in greyscale.
...

right on. i think as long as the Islamic extremists are in charge they will always have somone to hate becasue they don't want to hate themselves for their failure as a society, this is what happens when you mix fundamental religious douchebags with government.

case in point, in the beginning of the century, Bagdad, Kabul, Morocco, cairo and so on were ceners of enlightenment and great liberal intelectual centers, but unfortunaely it wasn't developed by themselves, but largely due to the colonial and post colonial influence. Look at them today as self-ruling countries, great things happened, right?

Some people just aren't supposed to be in charge in the first place, and they only get dumber when they start blaming their problems on the infidels. And they should be shot, not just for the heck of it, but also their own people who suffer under them without even knowing it.

[N8]

Originally posted by $tinkle
Everything before and including this: ............ i prefer to debate, but i'll entertain your hello kitty postings as well.





BBBWWWAHAHAHAHA!!!

A literary bitch-slap!

:p

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by nicklin
...this is what happens when you mix fundamental religious douchebags with government.
*cough*Bush*cough*

:devil:

[nicklin]

Originally posted by LordOpie
*cough*Bush*cough*

:devil:
;)
At least we aren't all required to convert to be protestants....yet

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by nicklin
;)
At least we are all required to convert to be protestants....yet whoa! I haven't even started drinking yet. Now I'm off to get buzzed, mostly cuz of your post :dead: :D

all your base are belong to us!

[nicklin]

Originally posted by LordOpie
whoa! I haven't even started drinking yet. Now I'm off to get buzzed, mostly cuz of your post :dead: :D

all your base are belong to us!

oops.... i meant aren't....typos are bad.