Arkansas DH web site, info, schedule, $$, points ETC

[Jimmy_Pop]

http://www.somefeargear.com/ADHCS/

going to be a kick ass 5 race series.

[mountaingoat]

Hello.. Yall should not be afraid of Roughrider Canyon.. Its DOPE.. I cant see why people are afraid.. :evil: We have the best DH trails in Texas or Arkansas.. Hands down!! .. Dont be scared

[Jimmy_Pop]

I doubt people are afraid. Alot of people want to come check out your course. Since DH in Texas is slim to none, it would be nice, when picking a race date, if the 2 or 3 race directors that organize DH races would talk to eachother and not race on the same day. Bar H, RoughRider and Devils Den all are racing on the same weekend, April 3-4. We go all year with no DH and then the organizers want to race on the same day. That is BAD planning. Dont be surprised at a lower turnout for that very reason. There are only so many texas DH riders to go around. Rough rider canyon and Comfort texas should going the Arkansas DH series and make the Ark locals do some traveling to our neck of the woods.

my .02

joel

[mountaingoat]

Maybe next year we can organize correctly.. I still think they are scared.. Our trails are serious.. We are throwin down stuff that will be talked about for years.. I know the people are afriad around these parts.. I hope things work out next race season.. I would like to do a series for the southwest.. :dead:

[ikea]

the single reason i'm going to arkansas over el paso is travel time.

[mountaingoat]

Time is money..:dead:

[ikea]

i'm looking at heading out there for the cloudcroft race, and probably doing rcfp that trip, as well as the sunspot to alamogordo run..

should be fun.

[Weaver]

the only thing im scared of is the beatdown yall are going to try and give me after i lay it to yall....:p

going to start making these ark races beginning this summer...

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by ikea
the single reason i'm going to arkansas over el paso is travel time.

introduce urself... Cooter and i will be there!

[Weaver]

Originally posted by TULSATUMBLERSGF
introduce urself... Cooter and i will be there!

i love me some cooter....wait...different cooter than i mean....:p

[TN]

How is the pedal up? We will be on short travel bikes.
We are headed out Fri. AM to pre-ride.
Will it be easy to find once in the park?

Thanx yo.

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by TN_Fred
How is the pedal up? We will be on short travel bikes.
We are headed out Fri. AM to pre-ride.
Will it be easy to find once in the park?

Thanx yo.

ok... we will be there too... no i would ride up it.. i would just shuttle with one of us..

call me this evening... i can give you AWESOME directions and it wil be a lot easier...

laura has my number... once in the park it wont be too easy to find if it isnt marked sooo i can give better description once you call...

[TN]

Originally posted by TULSATUMBLERSGF
ok... we will be there too... no i would ride up it.. i would just shuttle with one of us..

call me this evening... i can give you AWESOME directions and it wil be a lot easier...

laura has my number... once in the park it wont be too easy to find if it isnt marked sooo i can give better description once you call...

Cool! now i gotta make sure my bike is ready for a good thrashing. :D
!Hasta luego!

[mountaingoat]

To weaver, You couldnt beat down a twinkie.. We have the badest trails in Texas here in Hell Paso.. Hands down.. If yall dont believe me come on over and bring your medical kits, cause you might need it.. Oh yeah, no grass here either so there are no soft landings.. I hope the Devils Den race went well.. peace:evil:

[profro]

Originally posted by mountaingoat
To weaver, You couldnt beat down a twinkie.. We have the badest trails in Texas here in Hell Paso.. Hands down.. If yall dont believe me come on over and bring your medical kits, cause you might need it.. Oh yeah, no grass here either so there are no soft landings.. I hope the Devils Den race went well.. peace:evil:

mountaingoat,

Word of advice...you sound like a total tool polisher. The way you pimp your local ride is stupid. Try talking to people instead of talking down to them. :rolleyes:

[akaeasy_j]

heres a pic of the roadgap

http://www.somefeargear.com/ADHCS/den1pix/AfterRace06.jpg

FYI, that roadgap is gonna be 10ft. longer for the sept. race.....a 41ft. roadgap will take some sack!

[mountaingoat]

Thats alright.. Just tryin to razz some people.. If they want to ride the trails they will.. I am not tryin to downtalk anyone.. I just want people too check out our trails.. I am sorry if we have the biggest mountains for biking in Texas.. Come on down.. They are badass.. So what if I wanna spray about my trails.. If ya wanna ride then come on if not then dont.. I will still spray.. peace:evil: I am tryin to get more people interested in this kind o ridin.. Dont be scared!!!

[DHTRAVELER]

Originally posted by profro
mountaingoat,

Word of advice...you sound like a total tool polisher. The way you pimp your local ride is stupid. Try talking to people instead of talking down to them. :rolleyes:

Word

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by DHTRAVELER
Word


hey dhtraveler... it was great meeting you in AR this weekend... are you planning to do the whole series?

i was driving the shuttle on ur first run Friday... venessa... hope to see you again soon! and i even remember ur name... Mike!

[mountaingoat]

Thats a badass roadgap.. Where is that? How many races are in Arkansas? That would be nice to have somekind of series? We are pretty far away though.. We will try and run our races seperate dates next year.. Is anyone racing Cloudcroft on April 25th?:dead:

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by mountaingoat
Thats a badass roadgap.. Where is that? How many races are in Arkansas? That would be nice to have somekind of series? We are pretty far away though.. We will try and run our races seperate dates next year.. Is anyone racing Cloudcroft on April 25th?:dead:

Devils Den AR... 4 more races in this series...

May 22
Jun 5
July 17
Sept 18

[mountaingoat]

I will post that stuff on our website.. Maybe we can make one.. Anyone headed to the rampage?

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by mountaingoat
I will post that stuff on our website.. Maybe we can make one.. Anyone headed to the rampage?

definately! (sp?)

we wouldnt miss it! :thumb:

[Jimmy_Pop]

Montaingoat,
That gap is a 30 foot step down on the finish line #3. We used finish line #1 for this past weekends race. I hear that finish line #3 is going to be extended to 40' and used for the series championship race in September. There were 65 registered DH racers total at Devils Den. There was a team from Colorado and a team from Nebraska. Many people from Texas, Oklahoma ETC. Last year, this race had about 25 racers. I predict that the final race in September will have 100 racers. THe Ark orgainzers have done the best job i have ever seen in marketing a race. Pre-race marketing, post-race information and a well marked course and spectator area. I am sure they were on a shoestring budget but you could not tell that by looking at what they pulled together.

I do not think that your RRC is too far away. You're terrain is unique and the way you are building a bike park, you have the potential to have your event(s) get really big. No one expects you to have grassy, lush landings or single track like Co or Ark. You can be a mini moab or Virgin. With your bike park efforts, you can have an annual event like a Redbull Rampage Texas style and draw many people from the central US. The Virgin, UT is way too far for any of us to make that a vacation spot but you are not. I would think that would be an obvious choice for your canyon. Create a niche that is all your own. Marketing your trails is the only way you can grow rapidly.

I just didn't care for the tactics you have of hijacking Arkansas threads to make claims that you have the best DH trails in Texas of Ark. I have seen no post-Coyote Classic threads with testimonies or photos that back up your claims. your web site is the same since Feb. A better web site with good photos is a must these days. I did not see any information on your site about the coyote classic muchless classes, entry fees, Norba sactioned or not, shuttle info, sponsors, shwag, accomodations, directions, ETC, ETC. I cannot even imaging all the **** an organizer must go through to put a race together. I cant judge you for not doing those things cause I could not either. But the lack thereof creats and impression of a race that is not legit or worth driving all that way. I weighed going to El Paso or Arkansas this past weekend. Driving distance was not an issure for me. I based my decision on what information was provided to me. The only info i got from you was several CC'd email messages announcing there was a race April 3rd and to "dont be afraid" plus a few spam's selling a santa cruz bullit. The whole Coyote Classic just did not seem legit to me compared to http://www.somefeargear.com/ADHCS/main.htm

I respect anyone who works to promote DH and freeriding. You are one of those and my hats off to you. I dont know you. i only know you from the posts that I read. Im not slamming you or your efforts. I am only replying in the same direct and frank and unsolicited manner in which you write your massages.

my .02

joel

[DHTRAVELER]

i was driving the shuttle on ur first run Friday... venessa... hope to see you again soon! and i even remember ur name... Mike! [/B][/QUOTE]

You bet I remember you guys...It was nice meeting your crew also. And yes, I will be making more races in the series, I just don't know which ones yet. I am going to do some of the stuff out west also and spending time in Whistler so its a scheduleing thing. I'll be sure to let you know.
Cheers

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by DHTRAVELER


Whistler


im jealous!!! :(

hope to see ya soon!

[Jimmy_Pop]

TULSATUMBLERSGF is was good to meet you. i sat right next to you at that fine mexican food place that served NO beer ! WTF !

joel

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by joel hester
TULSATUMBLERSGF is was good to meet you. i sat right next to you at that fine mexican food place that served NO beer ! WTF !

joel

sweet! it is hard to put faces with screen names... but i'm glad you called it to my attention... ya'll were a lot of fun for TX and sooo glad we met ya... ya'll running the whole series arent ya??? we need to get down and see what ya'll have in TX...

i copy and pasted ur post above about the DD promoters to the MTBR site so that dan, tim, mike, travis, marvin, etc could see that their hard work was appreciated!

great meeting you!

[mountaingoat]

I am not baggin any trails .. That gap is cool.. I am just excited about our area..There are only 4 of us building trail.. We have a 30'ravine gap.. (pics soon) I understand that the Coyote Classic was not promoted well enough.. It was an ACA race..Next year I will put on a couple races here at the canyon.. We will be joining NORBA and we already joined IMBA.. I saw the Arkansas website.. Really cool.. I will try and contact those guys.. We will have races in winter, spring and fall next year , hopefully.. Yall goin to Cloudcroft, that course is one of the coolest , but its in Nm.. There are a couple pics on the website..:dead:

[Jimmy_Pop]

Me and my younger brother jordan will be at every Arkansas race except the 6-5 race cause we will be at the Chile Challenge DH race in New Mexico. Sucks cause I wanted to be in the hunt for points and the Redbull Rampage drawing. O well. I had alot of fun this past weekend at Devils Den. By the time September, we should all be best budz!

joel

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by joel hester
By the time September, we should all be best budz!


agreed!

i loved ur younger brother! he was the sheeot! how is he doing after that Red Bull Hangover? ha ha

[Cooter Brown]

Originally posted by TULSATUMBLERSGF
agreed!

i loved ur younger brother! he was the sheeot! how is he doing after that Red Bull Hangover? ha ha

Was he the one rockin the pimped out 24 hardtail?

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by Cooter Brown
Was he the one rockin the pimped out 24 hardtail?

Not sure but he was the one at dinner with us sittin 2 down from me... hangin bad after 18 red bulls in one afternoon! ha ha

[chinoloco]

we're going to try to get back to Arkansas too and will definitely be at Angel Fire in June. See y'all there.

Patrick
24 Le Dude

[Jimmy_Pop]

Originally posted by Cooter Brown
Was he the one rockin the pimped out 24 hardtail?

yeah, that's my bro.

He normally talks all the time but he wore himself out and was very quiet by the time the weekend was over. My parents like it when he comes home after trips with me cause he is very melowed out. He's a drummer in rock band and a 4.0 student and he is AMP'd out all the time. He is so kick ass! I'm afraid to have kids of my own cause I'm afraid they would not compare to Jordan.

[Jimmy_Pop]

Patrick, sup? keep in touch as the Chile Challenge gets closer. Get a crew together and come up. I'll probably have a place for you guys to crash for cheap $$.

Laterz,

Joel

[Cooter Brown]

Originally posted by joel hester
yeah, that's my bro.

He normally talks all the time but he wore himself out and was very quiet by the time the weekend was over. My parents like it when he comes home after trips with me cause he is very melowed out. He's a drummer in rock band and a 4.0 student and he is AMP'd out all the time. He is so kick ass! I'm afraid to have kids of my own cause I'm afraid they would not compare to Jordan.

kewl, that's who I thought it was. I'm still tryin to put names with faces. I was behind him on one practice run and he was riding the fvck outta that hardtail, I was impressed. :cool:

[Cooter Brown]

Originally posted by joel hester
yeah, that's my bro.

He normally talks all the time but he wore himself out and was very quiet by the time the weekend was over. My parents like it when he comes home after trips with me cause he is very melowed out. He's a drummer in rock band and a 4.0 student and he is AMP'd out all the time. He is so kick ass! I'm afraid to have kids of my own cause I'm afraid they would not compare to Jordan.


I'm jealous. I wish I had a brother.

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by joel hester
yeah, that's my bro.

He normally talks all the time but he wore himself out and was very quiet by the time the weekend was over. My parents like it when he comes home after trips with me cause he is very melowed out. He's a drummer in rock band and a 4.0 student and he is AMP'd out all the time. He is so kick ass! I'm afraid to have kids of my own cause I'm afraid they would not compare to Jordan.
dude, that is sooo freakin cool... my boys are sooo close in age that im afraid they are gonna hate each other before they are 15! :dead:

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by Cooter Brown
I'm jealous. I wish I had a brother.

lucky you... ur just stuck riding with me! ha ha :D

[Jimmy_Pop]

Originally posted by Cooter Brown
kewl, that's who I thought it was. I'm still tryin to put names with faces. I was behind him on one practice run and he was riding the fvck outta that hardtail, I was impressed. :cool:
Cooter !! you were at the end of the table at the beerless mexican joint! sup man!

Ya'll dont put names on your posts so eventhough I know your avatar and screen name and face, i forgot your names. so dont get mad at me next race when I call you cooter and dilldoe -> still cracks me up when you explained you avatar.

joel

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by joel hester
Cooter !! you were at the end of the table at the beerless mexican joint! sup man!

Ya'll dont put names on your posts so eventhough I know your avatar and screen name and face, i forgot your names. so dont get mad at me next race when I call you cooter and dilldoe -> still cracks me up when you explained you avatar.

joel

we answer to just about anything...

but it is Nate and Venessa if you want to know formalities! ha ha

cooter and dildo is fine with us! :D

[chinoloco]

Joel, will definitely keep in touch as Chile gets closer. I'm going to convince my wife that she needs to race too.
It's cool to have a relationship like that with your brother. I have the same relationship with mine too. He's just now getting into the racing gig. He ran two flats at Arkansas, so he couldn't enjoy it completely.

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by chinoloco
Joel, will definitely keep in touch as Chile gets closer. I'm going to convince my wife that she needs to race too.
It's cool to have a relationship like that with your brother. I have the same relationship with mine too. He's just now getting into the racing gig. He ran two flats at Arkansas, so he couldn't enjoy it completely.

are you the austin free ride guy we met after the race at the road gap??? you bummed a cig from me if ur the same guy im thinking about:D

[chinoloco]

I'm one of the Austin guys that showed up, but not the one you're talking about. You're talking about Eli. He placed third in Sport 29 and under. Cool guy. He just moved out from California. I had to bring him to show how we do it in the South Central area. We all had one hell of a time.

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by chinoloco
I'm one of the Austin guys that showed up, but not the one you're talking about. You're talking about Eli. He placed third in Sport 29 and under. Cool guy. He just moved out from California. I had to bring him to show how we do it in the South Central area. We all had one hell of a time.

yep, eli was his name... i was trying to get his wife/gf to race... i hope she will and your wife too... u saw me... i had the 3rd slowest time of all the people there but it was soooo much fun and i conquered some of my fears and it made me a better rider... i hope you will talk her into doing it! that would be sooo much fun!

[Cooter Brown]

Originally posted by joel hester
Cooter !! you were at the end of the table at the beerless mexican joint! sup man!

Ya'll dont put names on your posts so eventhough I know your avatar and screen name and face, i forgot your names. so dont get mad at me next race when I call you cooter and dilldoe -> still cracks me up when you explained you avatar.

joel

Yeah man, that's me. Place that don't serve beer SUCK!! Cooter works for me man, I'm even thinking of getting some stickers for my helmet that say that just so :monkey: 's can put a face with the name :D

[ikea]

i should be heading out to cloudcroft.. maybe joel and a couple other people as well..


is there any other info on the race though? i'm having a lot of trouble finding that stuff..


Justin

[mountaingoat]

High Altitude Bike Shop
505-682-1229 for Cloud Shop..
505-257-0120 Ruidoso shop..
It will be awesome.. Those trails are steep and there are lotsa drops.. Hope to see yall there..

[ikea]

damn.. cant get the time off work for cloudcroft.. this sucks..

maybe i'll get my sherman slider sooner.

will the sunspot to alamogordo run be closed if/when the forests close?

thanks
Justin

[mountaingoat]

That sucks.. Its gonna be RAD!!! I am waitin on my scream frame.. I will keep my fingers crossed..

[mountaingoat]

Sunspot to Alamo will close when the forest does.. sorry..:dead:

[TN]

Originally posted by Cooter Brown
Yeah man, that's me. Place that don't serve beer SUCK!! Cooter works for me man, I'm even thinking of getting some stickers for my helmet that say that just so :monkey: 's can put a face with the name :D

how about whole damn counties!!!! :eek:

[dirtyj]

That road gap my be long but it has not drop. What is that a 4 to 5' drop. I've seen pics of ark and I've been to el pas, and there both a really good race. I'm not putting down ark, but el pas has that by a long shot. Theres gaps in el pas that are 20' 20'. I would have to say that el paso is a more difficult course. Thoughs pics of ark look pretty weak. That rock garden lookes pratty small. It might have high speeds, but that course looks weak. I would have to classify that course with comforts course, weak as hell. Or get better pics of the course

u guys might not be scared, but when u get out there you'll be sheiting your pants.

soon to be pics.
this place is going to be huge. just give it some time

[akaeasy_j]

If its so weak, show up in sept. and post your best time. I agree its not the most difficult course ever made, but it is fun as hell and these guys have worked their assess off to get it where it is. So, if you wanna dis it, run your mouth to all your austin boys, dont get on here and slam it without ever riding it.

EZ

[dirtyj]

first of all I was not putting down ark. I specifically said that I'm not putting down the race u dumb as. From what the pics look like I would rather go to a more difficult course. U have to understand the courses that I have been to, and judging from thoughs courses ark is WEAK....................I mean look at the pics.
That rock garden is the size of my scrotum. El paso makes that course look like a hikenbike trail. So anther words all the non experts go to ark. All the experts go to el paso. Just because the race is bigger doesn't mean that its a good course. U wait a couple of years el paso is going to be huge. I know people from albuquerque that came down, and this guy won the final decent in angle fire. This course is not funkin around. So all the kitties go up and all the dogs go down. hehehe O and did ark have 30' doubles vancouver lines and huge step downs and free red bull no.

O and finish 3rdexp on top of that guy who one the final decent last year.

[mountaingoat]

Cloudcroft is comin up yall.. April 25th.. Talkin bout brutal, come on down.. DirtyJ said the Cartell is coming.. What bout all you Arkansasins.. Yall really wanna see a good course.. We will be cleanin the course a few days before.. Thats a RACE if we can make it down the MOUNTAIN!!!:evil:
Its gonna be funn...

[biker3]

youve never even ridden our course so why don't you stop talking ****. Pics can be misleading. Its not the hardest course but it is decent. Everyone that I talked to from TX at the race said all the TX courses are extremely ****ty and all the races suck. If people from your own state are dissing on your course then obviosly its not that great. Come ride DD and then talk some crap but until then show some respect to the people who worked super hard and cut your ignorant bais Bull****e. Id seriosly like to see you put out a better time then the winner here at DD. Sponsered guys from CO on free v10 had respect for the course and they ended up getting stomped by the locals (no offense to the CO guys). Its a decent course that will be better and better. So come up and actually RIDE it instead of talking crap from pictures you lam-o. Im by no means trying to diss on your course at all and im not trying to turn this into a lame ARKANSAS vs TEXAS thing but from what i heard from your locals the couse down there is pretty dissapointing.

[biker3]

We did have FREE rebull and 2 kegs of FREE fat tire to all racers. also FREE pizza was included and tons of free swag. Get your stuff straight before you talk crap. Your course maybe HUGE and awsome but your TEXAS ego crap is really lame. I guess its true EVERTYHING IS BIGGER IN TEXAS. No one wants to drive like 12 hours into the deepheart of TX anyway. El Paso is a long haul from just about anywhere out of state so good luck getting racers down there HAHAHAHAH.

[laura]

Originally posted by joel hester
TULSATUMBLERSGF is was good to meet you. i sat right next to you at that fine mexican food place that served NO beer ! WTF !

joel



ah yes, the mexican restraunt with no beer. i sat across from you. i didnt know you were a monkey. it was good to meet you. i think im going to be able to make a few more races so i'll be seing you around.

[dirtyj]

I wasn't putting down the race. U odviously have a pretty big race going on. I was putting down your weak course. All I was trying to do is convince the poeple from austin that el paso is a technical race. Its the same dist to el paso from austin. Like I said You guys have had races going on for how long and have a huge money pot. Thats why people come to your races not because of the course. This is el pasos 2nd race give it some time. If its so weak why was there people from albuquerque. Don't you think that they would have better races to attend to. My argument was with the people from austin. All I was trying to do was convince them that el paso has more technical riding more dirt jumps and more vancour lines. U are right the race is bigger, more prizes and more food with a little course and thats about it. U give el paso a coupe of years and its going to be big. Hes trying to get nrba on his side and when that happens. maybe a nationals race.


For the people that say this place sucks there referring to comfort and there are right it does suck. Like I said I think it looks pretty equivalent to your course.

[ikea]

dirtyj, i would put money on your tone changing once you rode the arkansas course.. it is, above all, FUN. maybe you are forgetting the point of all of this. there wasnt a huge money pot, btw. only 9 people in the class that payed money. they organized all the schwag for the RAFFLE by good PR and being nice people.

a question though (notice the proper use of the word though).. what is the elevation change on the course in el paso? i've been to the hueco mountains a few times and i'd be surprised if it was much more than the arkansas course. hell, even cloudcroft only has devil's den beat by 100 feet.

you state that you arent dissing the race, just the course. NEWSFLASH.. the course is a gigantic part of the race. people arent going to take your posts seriously when you cant take the derogatory tone out of them, especially when you continue to attack something that a lot of people sure as hell seemed to like.
how about trying to convince the austin people that el paso is a tech course in it's own thread?


go DO the roadgap if it's so damn easy. you dont even have to pedal. it's about 10X30, fwiw.. soon to be about 15x40. and the best part? it's FUN.. not super-hard.. just fun.

i second what biker3 said.. put up or shut up. show up in september and beat the record, since you seem to think no one here knows what they are talking about in having a good time last weekend. you can read a course so well by just the pics you should do fine, right?

oh, and what exactly qualifies something as a "vancouver" line?

no one here is arguing that the arkansas course is harder.. most havent even been to el paso to compare. but if people are forced to decide between the two again, you arent helping out the case for el paso.

mountaingoat.. i applaud your efforts to bring freeriding to texas (even if it is practicly new mexico).. we need it. keep it up.

Justin

btw dirtyj,

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[DHTRAVELER]

OH YEAH! WELL MY BIG BROTHER CAN BEAT UP YOUR BIG BROTHER ANYTIME AND TWICE ON SUNDAY, SO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[ikea]

sorry if i seem immature about it, i'm just sick of the guy ragging on a course he hasnt ridden.



oh.. and :D

[dirtyj]

I don't think u were getting my point. My point was to convince the people that el paso is just as good as ark or better, and yes el paso does have more elev change then ark. Try a couple more houndred feet then ark, and the same drive. Looking at the course with pics look pretty weak. El paso is isolated and no one knows about it. I'm trying to get people convinced that el paso is a good course and that it is worth going to. By looking at each others web sit, clearly el paso is a far more tech course and has more dj and freeriding. A little more interesting then a road gap and a rock garden that has a couple of rocks. Sorry to the guys that built the course I'm not putting down your course U odviouslly worked with what u could. How many down hill trails are there in ark, is there dirt jumps or a 6 pac, How many drops does this place have, and do u guys have 30' doubles with a couple of drops that are over 15'. I don't think U guys realize the potential of this place. This place looks like it can hold a red bull event there. I'm telling u this place is the sheit. Give it time.

If u are so sick of me ragging on the course then put up some pics that would be convincing. Like I said earlier that place looks like comfort.

I think this sheit got out of hand with people trying to stick up for there race. I'm sorry if my point didn't get across right. u right if I haven't riden the course then I should keep my mouth shut, but when U have people down here telling everyone that ark is the best thing that has ever happend then I'm going to step up. Again u guys wont me to come down and race in sep when I have races like and angle fire and mammoth and cloud croft. Way better races.

[ikea]

my point was that you need to ride the course before you have any right to compare the two. the pictures i've seen of rcfp, i'm sure, dont begin to do it justice.. the same goes for devil's den.

i doubt i'm going to convince you that you cant judge a course by the pics you see, so this whole conversation is an excercise in futiliy. i only wish i realized that sooner.

Justin

[dirtyj]

and u r right I shouldn't say anything about the course, but when u have some sorry as$ pics of your course then I'm going to judge.

If I had to make a choice on what course to go to and the only thing that I had was those pics, I'll pass. I would rather go to a course with more then 3 rocks in there rock garden and a course that doesn't looked like a grader went threw it.

[ikea]

those that were there know how many rocks were really in the garden, and how many victims they claimed in the form of flats.

[DHTRAVELER]

Originally posted by ikea
sorry if i seem immature about it, i'm just sick of the guy ragging on a course he hasnt ridden.



oh.. and :D

My comment wasn't directed at you, no offense meant. Just trying to keep it in perspective and have fun.:cool:

[DHTRAVELER]

Oh and BTW, Devil's Den is NOTHING like Comfort, as Angel Fire isn't like Mammoth, and Mammoth isn't like Whistler and so on and so on. This is what makes a good racer, the ability to adapt to the different types, styles and quality of particular courses. The course doesn't make the racer, the racer makes the course. Yes, some are more fun than others but each offer their own set of challenges.

[mountaingoat]

Whats the elevation of DD? I might come and race it in Sept. We are just tryin to have fun as well.. Our elevation drop is 5000' - 4100'.. Its a 2 1/2 min. course.. Are yall headed to Cloudcroft? We are.. I am thankfull that there are people that LOVE to ride.. We need to see each others trails.. That would be cool..:evil:

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by biker3
We did have FREE rebull and 2 kegs of FREE fat tire to all racers. also FREE pizza was included and tons of free swag. Get your stuff straight before you talk crap. Your course maybe HUGE and awsome but your TEXAS ego crap is really lame. I guess its true EVERTYHING IS BIGGER IN TEXAS. No one wants to drive like 12 hours into the deepheart of TX anyway. El Paso is a long haul from just about anywhere out of state so good luck getting racers down there HAHAHAHAH.

biker3, i couldnt have said it better myself... it was a great trail and race site! everyone seemed to have a lot of fun... im sure that there are much better but i GUARANTEE you wont find a fun a group of people as we met that weekend! it was sooo fun:D

[TULSATUMBLERSGF]

Originally posted by dirtyj
I wasn't putting down the race. U odviously have a pretty big race going on. I was putting down your weak course. All I was trying to do is convince the poeple from austin that el paso is a technical race. Its the same dist to el paso from austin. Like I said You guys have had races going on for how long and have a huge money pot. Thats why people come to your races not because of the course. This is el pasos 2nd race give it some time. If its so weak why was there people from albuquerque. Don't you think that they would have better races to attend to. My argument was with the people from austin. All I was trying to do was convince them that el paso has more technical riding more dirt jumps and more vancour lines. U are right the race is bigger, more prizes and more food with a little course and thats about it. U give el paso a coupe of years and its going to be big. Hes trying to get nrba on his side and when that happens. maybe a nationals race.


uh, hang on a minute... they may have been doing this for a while but last yr there were about 20 racers with 1 girl... and this ur there were over 70 racers and 6 were women... this has just recently EXPLODED and it is because of the hard work and consistentcy of the promoters to make this thing happen... the prizes werent something that just showed up at the door of the promoters... they busted their arse to show that DD has something that people want to do... and a lot of the TX people are running the entire series sooo it must be with that LONG ARSE drive to repeatedly come back for more races... dont knock something till you have tried it...

i will admit... im TERRIBLE when it comes to downhill and this was something i could do... it was great for the beginner and the expert... i didnt go to win and with a time of 6:31... i was THRILLED but the winning times were 2:22 etc... this is to show that this was a good all around course for all levels which makes it more fun to me cuz then i can also participate and not be afraid of a 20'x20' drop/gap... you have to have enough people who WANT to do that kind of stuff, if not, then ur gonna always have low participation and small turnouts... not everyone is as GREAT as you... :(

[DHTRAVELER]

Originally posted by mountaingoat
Whats the elevation of DD? I might come and race it in Sept. We are just tryin to have fun as well.. Our elevation drop is 5000' - 4100'.. Its a 2 1/2 min. course.. Are yall headed to Cloudcroft? We are.. I am thankfull that there are people that LOVE to ride.. We need to see each others trails.. That would be cool..:evil:

I don't know the elevations but I believe its about 650' of vertical

[Cooter Brown]

Originally posted by DHTRAVELER
I don't know the elevations but I believe its about 650' of vertical


Yeah, I think that's about right. Somewhere between 600 and 700 feet vert

[biker3]

high doesnt mean better. You could go to some ****ty mtn in CO with 3000 ft of vertical change but the course is horrible and itd be just a ****ty course. DD makes up for the elevation with a few techy spots and tight singletrack that requires leaning and burming if you are to be fast. Its not so easy trust me guys I COMPLETALY BLEW UP my RC shock on my first run at the race and i only weigh 130-135ibs. Cooter and tons of other on arrow 24x3.0 tires were flatting out left and right. Its not sissy course and the september one is supposed to be even bigger then this one so make it out if u can!