Gun violence increasing in Toronto

[MMike]

http://toronto.cbc.ca/features/staring/

If I have to take a side, I'd say I'm against it.

This story is chock full o' links to other stories. damn you americans. Stop messing up our country. We don't need your war machines; we don't need your ghetto scenes...

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by MMike
If I have to take a side, I'd say I'm against it.
you're against what?

And whatcha expect from Ohio? They have the Cincinati Bengals, so of course weapons would be easy to get. ;)

[MMike]

Originally posted by LordOpie
you're against what?



Increasing gun violence in Toronto.

[Toshi]

i'm for world peace and happy feelings myself

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by MMike
Increasing gun violence in Toronto.
yeah, I'm pretty much for decreasing gun violence everywhere.

[Cracker]

CBC's been all over this topic of a couple of weeks now. It all mostly stems from gangs. Unfortunately most of the murdered are black by other blacks. Its terrible, but very difficult to stop.

And its true that most guns come from the states, what is it with the infactuation with guns?

It acutally makes me sick to see some :monkey: 's posting pics of their guns and talking about taking them riding. What the fack is up with that?

Cheers,
G

[N8]

Ain't it against the law to have guns in Toronto...???

[Lexx D]

The similarities between canada an dthe U.S. grow every day

[slein]

Originally posted by Lexx D
The similarities between canada an dthe U.S. grow every day

the rule is divide the AMERICAN figure by ten and you'll come up with a CANUCK stat.

there's mo to this story than i think the journalists can see. there's mucho crime everywhere, except they're pegging it on certain people. other crime families take care of their business differently, i'm sure.

thing is, guns are gettin into our population somehow. the problem is bad cuz there's more of it, and TO is becoming a big place. thanks to SARS... they're business is suffering and pushing is coming to shoving. its simple drug war economics.

[ALEXIS_DH]

somebody told me once in canada, a canadian is an american without guns.

now even that is gapping!.

damn, am moving away for school now!! yeeeehaaaa, better spend my hard-earned pretty-devaluated peruvian currency in some other place without guns, where happy people hold hands, drink beer, eat croissants and ride bikes.
:p

[manimal]

Originally posted by Cracker
CBC's been all over this topic of a couple of weeks now. It all mostly stems from gangs. Unfortunately most of the murdered are black by other blacks. Its terrible, but very difficult to stop.

And its true that most guns come from the states, what is it with the infactuation with guns?

It acutally makes me sick to see some :monkey: 's posting pics of their guns and talking about taking them riding. What the fack is up with that?

Cheers,
G

for those of us that live in the real world......

getting rid of the guns isn't the issue...it's getting the guns into the right hands. case in point: kennesaw, GA has a law requiring every household to have at least one firearm. must have a high crime rate right? overall crime rate is half that of the state/nation and violent crimes are over 4 times less than state/nation. statistics can be found here (http://www.kennesaw.ga.us/PoliceDepartment_CrimeStatistics.aspx)

so quit bagging on guns as the root of all evil. the root is actually those that are too afraid to protect themselves, thus allowing the victimization to begin.

[fluff]

Originally posted by manimal
the root is actually those that are too afraid to protect themselves, thus allowing the victimization to begin.

Did you really say that???

"Oh. I'm sorry officer, I just had to beat the crap outta that guy, he wasn't prepared to fight back.."

You tool!

Yup, the meek are the root of all evil..

[N8]

Welcome to Canuckistan....

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by manimal
for those of us that live in the real world......

getting rid of the guns isn't the issue...it's getting the guns into the right hands. case in point: kennesaw, GA has a law requiring every household to have at least one firearm. must have a high crime rate right? overall crime rate is half that of the state/nation and violent crimes are over 4 times less than state/nation. statistics can be found

so quit bagging on guns as the root of all evil. the root is actually those that are too afraid to protect themselves, thus allowing the victimization to begin.

It aint the meek man, it aint the gun holders either that are directly to blame…its the gung ho, hot tempered, do what we want, mine is bigger than yours, attitude of the vast majority of american people that is to blame… IMHO.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by fluff
Did you really say that???

"Oh. I'm sorry officer, I just had to beat the crap outta that guy, he wasn't prepared to fight back.."

You tool!

Yup, the meek are the root of all evil..
:eek:

[llkoolkeg]

Originally posted by Cracker
It acutally makes me sick to see some :monkey: 's posting pics of their guns and talking about taking them riding. What the fack is up with that?
Cheers,
G

Prepare your airsickness bag!

Sometimes when I ride alone deep in the woods, I carry this in my camelback-

Not once has it even been brandished in anger or used to threaten or intimidate anyone, much less a Canadien. What you don't know won't kill you...unless, of course, you are stupid enough to try to rob or injure me.

[manimal]

Originally posted by fluff
Did you really say that???

"Oh. I'm sorry officer, I just had to beat the crap outta that guy, he wasn't prepared to fight back.."

You tool!

Yup, the meek are the root of all evil..

i take it you've never been a victim of violent crime?

you call me a tool because i take the necessary precautions to ensure that my family and i will be ready in the event that someone tries to take advantage of me. i call you a tool because you are naive enough to believe that it either, won't happen to you or that someone will be there to save your butt. for your sake, i hope that you don't have to experience it.

the best defense is a good offense right?

i guess in your mind, no one should have guns.....too bad the bad guys don't see it that way.

[N8]

Guns are our lil' friends...

[rbx]

Originally posted by manimal


the best defense is a good offense right?



bush campain logo

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by manimal
i take it you've never been a victim of violent crime?

you call me a tool because i take the necessary precautions to ensure that my family and i will be ready in the event that someone tries to take advantage of me. i call you a tool because you are naive enough to believe that it either, won't happen to you or that someone will be there to save your butt. for your sake, i hope that you don't have to experience it.

the best defense is a good offense right?

i guess in your mind, no one should have guns.....too bad the bad guys don't see it that way.
I'm guessing I saw the same thing in your previous post that Fluff did and that it appears you made it sound like victims deserve what they get cuz they didn't/couldn't defend themselves.

"Your honor, she asked to be raped! Did you see the dress she was wearing?"


I don't think anyone is suggesting you shouldn't defend yourself and your family... just try not to sound so unsympathetic to real victims.

[manimal]

Originally posted by LordOpie
I'm guessing I saw the same thing in your previous post that Fluff did and that it appears you made it sound like victims deserve what they get cuz they didn't/couldn't defend themselves.

"Your honor, she asked to be raped! Did you see the dress she was wearing?"


I don't think anyone is suggesting you shouldn't defend yourself and your family... just try not to sound so unsympathetic to real victims.


oh...thanks for clearing that up for me.

no...not saying that victims are at fault for allowing themselves to get involved. simply making a point that those who preach gun control/elimination are only setting themselves up to be victims because no matter how strict you get on control, the bad guys will still get theirs.

oops...re-reading my post it did seem to come off that way, sorry. the main reason that i'm in the profession that i'm in is so i can protect the meek, didn't mean to sound like such an ass. you get the point thought right?

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by manimal
oops...re-reading my post it did seem to come off that way, sorry. the main reason that i'm in the profession that i'm in is so i can protect the meek, didn't mean to sound like such an ass. you get the point thought right?
yup, we understand and you're still our lovable chubby protector of the innocent; however, you're still doing it...
Originally posted by manimal
no...not saying that victims are at fault for allowing themselves to get involved.
just FYI :)

Now go eat some doughnuts and bring down some evil-doers!

[Honor]

I believe in owning a gun. In fact, I have four. I hunt with all of them. And, these weapons hold another "job"--to protect my family. Here in Texas, it is a "shoot first ask questions later" sort of set up. It's been than way for a long time. You still see that sort of warning sign hanging from fences throughout the state. Just saw another one Tuesday. It's not because us Texans are badass or violent, but this state holds a certain gun-bearing tradition that goes way back, a tradition of protecting what is yours. I know MANY professionals--doctors, profs, psychologists, nurses, businessmen and women--and nonprofessionals who carry a pistol. Our concealed weapon courses are always full. I don't advocate the use of violence anywhere. Neither do those I know. And because one owns a gun does not make that one a bad person. Hell, here, if you don't carry a pistol or have a gun somewhere in your house, you get raised eyebrows and asked "why don't you have one?"

I will protect what's mine in whatever manner necessary. But to use a gun, in my opinion, is out of protection only. If we're asleep one night and our house is invaded by one or more attackers who are there to do god-knows-what to my wife and two girls, then junior and his buddies hop on the Jesus bus with a one way ticket.

The US may or may not have had influence over gun violence in Canada; but, if someone wants your wallet or your life, that person will take it from you by whatever means necessary, even in the absence of a gun. A knife kills, as does a baseball bat, a lead pipe, an axe...

[MMike]

Originally posted by Honor
I believe in owning a gun. In fact, I have four. I hunt with all of them. And, these weapons hold another "job"--to protect my family. Here in Texas, it is a "shoot first ask questions later" sort of set up. It's been than way for a long time. You still see that sort of warning sign hanging from fences throughout the state. Just saw another one Tuesday. It's not because us Texans are badass or violent, but this state holds a certain gun-bearing tradition that goes way back, a tradition of protecting what is yours. I know MANY professionals--doctors, profs, psychologists, nurses, businessmen and women--and nonprofessionals who carry a pistol. Our concealed weapon courses are always full. I don't advocate the use of violence anywhere. Neither do those I know. And because one owns a gun does not make that one a bad person. Hell, here, if you don't carry a pistol or have a gun somewhere in your house, you get raised eyebrows and asked "why don't you have one?"

I will protect what's mine in whatever manner necessary. But to use a gun, in my opinion, is out of protection only. If we're asleep one night and our house is invaded by one or more attackers who are there to do god-knows-what to my wife and two girls, then junior and his buddies hop on the Jesus bus with a one way ticket.

The US may or may not have had influence over gun violence in Canada; but, if someone wants your wallet or your life, that person will take it from you by whatever means necessary, even in the absence of a gun. A knife kills, as does a baseball bat, a lead pipe, an axe...


** above post to be punctuated with a sounding of the General Lee's horn **

[Honor]

Originally posted by MMike
** above post to be punctuated with a sounding of the General Lee's horn **


;)

[JRogers]

Don't know too much about this whole Canada/US issue (besides the facts that border lines are freakin slow as all hell most of the time AND it would be rediculously easy to get almost anything across the border). I have no problems with owning guns but I agree that carrying one on a ride strikes me as, I dunno, incredibly excessive. Unless you are riding in Compton or you seriously have reason to fear some crazy Deliverance stuff going on, I cannot see the point.

Also, I am a bit confused and offput by Honor and manimal's posts. I would rather lose my wallet than have to shoot someone for taking it. I don't care if it's mine or not; I'm not shooting your a$$ over it. Especially if the fool that comes up to me has a gun too. I'll take my chances handing it over instead of engaging in a gunfight. I'm not "meek"; I just don't feel like killing someone or perhaps dying for some stuff: stuff in my house, stuff I carry with me, my bike or my wallet.

[manimal]

Originally posted by JRogers

Also, I am a bit confused and offput by Honor and manimal's posts. I would rather lose my wallet than have to shoot someone for taking it. I don't care if it's mine or not; I'm not shooting your a$$ over it. Especially if the fool that comes up to me has a gun too. I'll take my chances handing it over instead of engaging in a gunfight. I'm not "meek"; I just don't feel like killing someone or perhaps dying for some stuff: stuff in my house, stuff I carry with me, my bike or my wallet.

i agree with you to a point. if some dude catches me off guard and demands my wallet...well, he's gonna get my wallet. it's not worth the legal fees....i could honestly care less about the if i had to kill the dude that was trying to rob me, i just don't want the legal hassle over the $5 i carry in my wallet. the reason i carry a weapon off duty is because in a medium sized city like this, i tend to run into a lot of the dudes that i've arrested. most are pretty cool and just walk by but there's a good chance that i'll come across some friggin nut that blames me for getting locked up and wants to take a shot at me. i will not be caught off guard in that case.

"i'm not meek; i just don't feel like killing someone........for some stuff"
the only problem with that thinking is that the bad guy does feel like killing someone over it and will. maybe we're all just a bunch of paranoid gun/survial freaks....but work my job for a week and you'll see why.

[JRogers]

Originally posted by manimal

the only problem with that thinking is that the bad guy does feel like killing someone over it and will. maybe we're all just a bunch of paranoid gun/survial freaks....but work my job for a week and you'll see why.

Yeah, I know. You guys might be a bunch of paranoid freaks but I live in rural Vermont most of the time. Not without it's problems in some areas but, on the whole, pretty darn safe.

[MMike]

Originally posted by JRogers
Yeah, I know. You guys might be a bunch of paranoid freaks but I live in rural Vermont most of the time. Not without it's problems in some areas but, on the whole, pretty darn safe.

Middlebury VT?...do you watch WPTZ channel 5, Platsburg, North Pole, Burlington, with Bird Berdan?