Israel's brilliant solution!

[LordOpie]

ok, probably not intentional, but hey, if the Palestinians wanna kill each other, fine by me (yes yes, I would much prefer peace) ...

Few of the 1.3 million Gazans have experienced life without a "Zionist enemy" to fight. Amid factional fighting and Israeli attacks, the Palestinian Authority is ill-prepared to take control should Israel leave. Many Palestinians say they worry that the evacuation is aimed at starting a Palestinian civil war.
link (http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/world/8162822.htm)

139-square-mile rectangle is a lot of land. Hopefully Palestinians will find the life they want.

[BurlyShirley]

why cant those pesky palestinians just give up already or at least move back to palestine (wherever the hell that is)?

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
why cant those pesky palestinians just give up already or at least move back to palestine (wherever the hell that is)? :rolleyes:

[MTB_Rob_NC]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
or at least move back to palestine (wherever the hell that is)?


LOL... I think that is the PRIMARY issue:confused:

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
why cant those pesky palestinians just give up already or at least move back to palestine (wherever the hell that is)?


Post of the day.:D

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by ummbikes
Post of the day.:D
So we should give America back to the Indians?

[fluff]

Originally posted by LordOpie
So we should give America back to the Indians?

Are you sure they'd take it?

[MTB_Rob_NC]

Originally posted by LordOpie
So we should give America back to the Indians?

Not quite the same, but at least there would be gambling every where.

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by LordOpie
So we should give America back to the Indians?

No, but we shouldn't build effin walls around their reservation and steal their water to grow cotton in the desert either.

[Tenchiro]

Originally posted by LordOpie
So we should give America back to the Indians?

They already take our jobs, I say give it to Pakistan.

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by ummbikes
No, but we shouldn't build effin walls around their reservation and steal their water to grow cotton in the desert either.

maybe if they'd pick some place to build a reservation that wasnt so godforsaken, we could get around some of these issues. I swear to god...the white man can do no right:rolleyes:

[ummbikes]

I'm sorry this is really a serious subject but Burly is ON today. I can't argue while laughing.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by fluff
Are you sure they'd take it?

ha!

I was being totally sarcastic.

Native Americans have a far greater right to America than "Palestinians" do to the piece of land Israel sits on.

"Palestine" was a piece of land that occupies Israel, Jordan and the West Bank, so if Burly wants 'em to go home, then they can go to Jordan -- which occupies more of "Palestine" than Israel does. AND in 1949, Jordan offered all "Palestinians" to join them and create a new life. And Jordan is like 6-7x as big as Israel.

Lastly...
The term ''Palestinian'' itself had referred to Israeli Jews back in the 1940s...

The Middle East war was always a war by Arabs against Jews, not a conflict with Palestinians. The war was repackaged as a conflict between Jews and Palestinians as a public relations gimmick by the Arab fascist regimes. These had never had any interest in Palestinians, in creating a Palestinian state, or in Palestinian ''nationalism'' before 1967. That is because Palestinian nationalism did not and does not exist.

The Palestinians were a regional group of Arabs having virtually no cultural nor national distinctive traits separating them from Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians. link (http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=1747&catcode=13)

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
why cant those pesky palestinians just give up already or at least move back to palestine (wherever the hell that is)? 2 things need to be acknowledged:
there is no palestine
there are no palestinians

they are an enclave of syrians, lebanese, jordanians, egyptians, and other arab gypsies who have descended upon israel with bloodlust to exterminate the jews.

moreover, there are 2 kinds of arabs:
- arabian arabs
- arabized arabs conquered generations ago, which is still going on in israel



any questions?

[Toshi]

ok, if palestinians don't exist, why do israelis? the country was carved out of existing territories in 1947, i believe, and before the whole Zionist movement started around the turn of the century the concept of "Israel" and "Israelis" was just that.

[jdcamb]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
why cant those pesky palestinians just give up already or at least move back to palestine (wherever the hell that is)?

Just an amazing grasp of the situation he has. I am so proud to be an American when I hear folks say stuff like this....jdcamb

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by jdcamb
Just an amazing grasp of the situation he has. I am so proud to be an American when I hear folks say stuff like this....jdcamb

hey there fella, its called a 'joke'

Think there's a reason youre the ONLY ONE that didnt get it:confused:




genius.

[ummbikes]

Okay, hear is my understanding of the issue of "Palestine" from about 1915-16 on to 1948-9 when Lord Opie points out some Palestinan's were ready to leave.

The Arabs revolted against the Turks and as a part of the Mudros Armistice the Brits and French promise Arabs "the right of self-government."

Woodrow Wilson builds on this and pushes the "League of Nations" in 1919 Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations recognized the PROVISIONAL independence of the former Ottoman provinces.

While this was going on there was the British who put out the Balfour Declaration in 1917 stating that Palestine should be home to the Jewsih people. This document also stated "nothing should be done that may prejudice the civil and relgious rights of any non-Jewish communities in Palestine.

So then in 1919 we have the King-Crane commision which stated:

1. 90% of Palestines inhabitants were non-Jewish and and did not want a Jewish state.

2. The Zionests were going to displace the the non-Jewsih residents of Palestine.

3. That a Jewsih state in Palestine would violate the inhabitants of Palestine who were non-Jewish right to self determination.

Forward to the 1930's and you have the Passfield White Paper that shows that in-fact indiginous Palestinians are being displaced from lands they occupied for 100's of years.

1939 another British White Paper calls for Arab acquiescence for further immigration by the Jewish people after another 75000 immigrated and it was after 1944.

But then WWII happened and Hitler and all of the absoulte horror of the holocaust.

1948 The Deir Yassin massacare- 254 Palestinian women and children are killed. Half a million Palestinans flee. Zionists setlle the area and name the streets after Irgun units that did the dirty work of the massacare.


**edit my sources are primarily from a book called Arabs and Israel, for beginers and lecture notes from Larry Mosqueda Phd., a UW graduate and my professor in the fall of 2003.

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Toshi
ok, if palestinians don't exist, why do israelis? the country was carved out of existing territories in 1947, i believe, and before the whole Zionist movement started around the turn of the century the concept of "Israel" and "Israelis" was just that. Your opening question is a non-sequitur to me, but let me say this about palestine.

"Palestine" comes from the Hebrew (Semitic) word pelesheth, meaning "rolling" or migratory. (The root is pawlash, meaning to roll, or wallow. "Palestine" also means Philistine, or Philistia. Back in the day, the Philistines were on the south coast of Phoenicia; and ancient Phoenicia is lebanon.

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by $tinkle
2 things need to be acknowledged:
there is no palestine
there are no palestinians

they are an enclave of syrians, lebanese, jordanians, egyptians, and other arab gypsies who have descended upon israel with bloodlust to exterminate the jews.

moreover, there are 2 kinds of arabs:
- arabian arabs
- arabized arabs conquered generations ago, which is still going on in israel



any questions?

Sweet... nice history lesson... something Ive always been curious about but too lazy to investigate (bless the :monkey:

Still, BS's comment cracked me up :D:D

[Toshi]

Originally posted by $tinkle
Your opening question is a non-sequitur to me, but let me say this about palestine.

"Palestine" comes from the Hebrew (Semitic) word pelesheth, meaning "rolling" or migratory. (The root is pawlash, meaning to roll, or wallow. "Palestine" also means Philistine, or Philistia. Back in the day, the Philistines were on the south coast of Phoenicia; and ancient Phoenicia is lebanon.
thanks for the etymology lesson, but please address the historical facts brought up by ummbikes. arguing that the word "palestine" is connected with Phoenicia is irrelevant.

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Toshi
thanks for the etymology lesson, but please address the historical facts brought up by ummbikes.it's also an eponymy lesson, but now i'm just being snotty.
Originally posted by Toshi
arguing that the word "palestine" is connected with Phoenicia is irrelevant. i wasn't arguing it, i was demonstrating it. And, it's quite relevant to understand the "palestinian's" fallacy in their argument that the jews must go 'cuz they are entitled to the land. Seems to me no-one gave 2 felafels about the land until the israelis started making it agriculturally viable.

getting back to your request to address umm's post:

he does not define what the boundaries are for "palestine". FurthermoreOriginally posted by ummmmmmm
1939 another British White Paper calls for Arab acquiescence for further immigration by the Jewish people after another 75000 immigrated and it was after 1944.is at odds with:according to official Ottoman Turk census figures of 1882, in the entire "Land of Israel" ["Palestine" on BOTH sides of the Jordan River... see http://masada2000.org/historical.html), there were only 141,000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab. This number was to skyrocket to 650,000 Arabs by 1922, a 450% increase in only 40 years. By 1938 that number would become over 1 million or an 800% increase in only 56 years. Population growth was especially high in areas where Jews lived. Where did all these Arabs come from? According to the Arabs the huge increase in their numbers was due to natural childbirth. In 1944, for example, they alleged that the natural increase (births minus deaths) of Arabs in the Land of Israel was the astounding figure of 334 per 1000. That would make it roughly three times the corresponding rate for the same year of Lebanon and Syria and almost four times that of Egypt, considered amongst the highest in the world. Unlikely, to say the least. If the massive increase was not due to natural births, then were did all these Arabs come from?so i'm curious: if Hamas - the political [read: military] wing of the PLO - is successful in chasing off the jews out of israel, where do they intend to go? Ft Meyers FL? And make no mistake, doing so is in their charter (http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm)

[ummbikes]

I'm in no way saying that Israel shouldn't be. I'm pointing out that when Chaim Weizman said, "A country without people for people without a country" that there was infact people (Arabs) living there.

I'm also trying to establish that the Zionist movement has commited it's share of wrongs.

Note: I use "Zionist" to make clear this isn't about Jews. M'kay? I'm talking goverment policy, not about a religion.

This issue is far more complicated and despite the innocent Israeli citizens lifes who have been taken by murderous terrorists, the total body count is about one Isreali for every ten Arabs. So somewhere along the line the Isrealis have been murderous terroists too.

[LordOpie]

I'm very happy that some of you are taking the time to understand this complex subject cuz it sure sounded on page 1 that a few of you were anti-Israel and said somewhat hateful things.

yes, yes, I'm a jew, I'm probably overly sensitive on the subject.

But as a friend once said, "The war between 'Palestinians' and Israel won't end until Palestinian mothers love their child more than they hate Israel."

And yes, my first post was certainly sarcastic and probably spiteful, but I found the irony of the opportunity that Palestinians find themselves juxtaposed with their fear of turning on each other now that they might be losing a common enemy.

Lastly, as has been pointed out, the war isn't "Palestinians" vs Israel, but the Arab world vs Israel. Remember Iraq and Syria (even Iran) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1906018.stm) just two years ago making public statements about compensating (rewarding?) suicide bomber's families?

I sincerely feel bad for "Palestinians" because they are nothing but a pawn being used by the Arab world and the Arab world should be ashamed of themselves!

[Westy]

Originally posted by LordOpie
But as a friend once said, "The war between 'Palestinians' and Israel won't end until Palestinian mothers love their child more than they hate Israel."

I sincerely feel bad for "Palestinians" because they are nothing but a pawn being used by the Arab world and the Arab world should be ashamed of themselves!

I am sure Palestinian mother love their children more than they hate Israel. The problem is that Palestinians have no hope, their children can only see a future of poverty and opression. That is what force people into doing desperate things. And it of course does not help being used as a pawn in a global power struggle.

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by LordOpie
I'm very happy that some of you are taking the time to understand this complex subject cuz it sure sounded on page 1 that a few of you were anti-Israel and said somewhat hateful things.it's just my way of saying "YOM-HULEDET SAMEAKH!!!"

(that's happy b-day to you [us] goys)

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by $tinkle
it's just my way of saying "YOM-HULEDET SAMEAKH!!!"

(that's happy b-day to you [us] goys)

I work with a guy who is jewish.

He was telling me that they (jews) dont believe Jesus was the savior, but that he was just a prophet. If a prohpet said "I am the son of god" shouldnt that be the truth? Why do you not beleive jesus?

Or was he just making up that prophet stuff?

[Toshi]

Originally posted by LordOpie
I'm very happy that some of you are taking the time to understand this complex subject cuz it sure sounded on page 1 that a few of you were anti-Israel and said somewhat hateful things.
just to be clear, i AM anti-israel. i think their government does horrible things. however, i am also anti-plo, as they commit atrocities as well. whether it is israeli helicopters sending missiles flying through the air or palestinians blowing up busloads of israelis i think it is wrong.

in other words, i think neither side is in the right. and if that offends you, then tough luck.

also note that "anti-israel" is not to be equated with "anti-semitic" or "anti-jew" if "semitic" is too highbrow.

finally, i'd never seen the word "eponymy " before, cool. :D

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by ummbikes
This issue is far more complicated and despite the innocent Israeli citizens lifes who have been taken by murderous terrorists, the total body count is about one Isreali for every ten Arabs. So somewhere along the line the Isrealis have been murderous terroists too.i didn't catch this the first time.

i recognize israeli air-strikes as viable, as they target the militants (there really is no military behind terrorists), whereas palestinians target the easy pickens civilians.

are you meaning to include civilians?

[Tenchiro]

Why is being anti-semitic so bad? It seems like such a fuss is raised anytime someone makes any kind of statement perceived as such. Yet at the same time, if someone is or anti-christian, anti-republican or even anti-boyscout or any arbitrary group for that matter, then nobody really seems to care.

Is it that jews have a better PR machine and are much more sensitive to negativity than these other groups or what?

[Silver]

Originally posted by Tenchiro
Why is being anti-semitic so bad? It seems like such a fuss is raised anytime someone makes any kind of statement perceived as such. Yet at the same time, if someone is or anti-christian, anti-republican or even anti-boyscout or any arbitrary group for that matter, then nobody really seems to care.

Is it that jews have a better PR machine and are much more sensitive to negativity than these other groups or what?

You can choose to not be a Christian, a Republican, or an arbitrary group member.

You can't choose to not be Jewish.

The wisdom of David Cross again:

"Was your mother's vagina Jewish?" "Yes, yes it was. Fvck! Got me on a technicality."

[Tenchiro]

Originally posted by Silver
You can choose to not be a Christian, a Republican, or an arbitrary group member.

You can't choose to not be Jewish.

The wisdom of David Cross again:

"Was your mother's vagina Jewish?" "Yes, yes it was. Fvck! Got me on a technicality."

Why can't you, it is just a religion. I was technically born a christian, but I would not consider myself one now. I can choose to become Jewish, so a Jew should be able to leave the group.

People talk like it is a race of people, but I have known Arabic Jews as well as Caucasian Jews.

[Toshi]

Originally posted by $tinkle
i didn't catch this the first time.

i recognize israeli air-strikes as viable, as they target the militants (there really is no military behind terrorists), whereas palestinians target the easy pickens civilians.

are you meaning to include civilians?
give the palestinians the technology to target the israeli military brass and i'm sure they'd pick on them instead.

tenchiro, i think the problem lies in that many jews are ethnically different too. something about ashkenazim vs. sephardim? i am no authority. being just a goyim asian, ya know. :rolleyes: :D

[Silver]

Originally posted by Tenchiro
Why can't you, it is just a religion. I was technically born a christian, but I would not consider myself one now. I can choose to become Jewish, so a Jew should be able to leave the group.

People talk like it is a race of people, but I have known Arabic Jews as well as Caucasian Jews.

The problem isn't reasonable people like me and you. Try telling that to an Islamic cleric or a Nazi circa 1943 and you'll see where the problem comes in.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
I work with a guy who is jewish.

He was telling me that they (jews) dont believe Jesus was the savior, but that he was just a prophet. If a prohpet said "I am the son of god" shouldnt that be the truth? Why do you not beleive jesus?

Or was he just making up that prophet stuff?
You're asking the wrong guy cuz I don't consider myself that knowledgable, but I will answer for me... I agree with you that it's illogical to say what your friend does. I'm not saying it's wrong, cuz I have no idea what the full context was. However, I do not believe Jesus was a prophet nor savior.
Originally posted by Toshi
finally, i'd never seen the word "eponymy " before, cool. :D
I think REM had a CD called that.

Originally posted by Tenchiro
Why is being anti-semitic so bad? ... Yet at the same time, if someone is or anti-christian, anti-republican or even anti-boyscout or any arbitrary group for that matter, then nobody really seems to care.
so because people hate your group, you justify it to hate another? That makes a whole bunch of sense :rolleyes:

But since I'm the token jew, I'll respond for me... are you saying I'm any of those anti-groups? Have you ever read a post by me where I beg people to not be partisan?

And yes, being anti-semetic bad, just as bad as being anti-anything else. Heck, how many times have you seen posters like Andy say this or that, eg. homosexuality, is bad/wrong? And while he hates the acts/actions/whatever, he doesn't hate the person/people.

And I think Stinkle pointed out the difference between Israel and "Palestine"... Israel does their best to target military interests, whereas those fvcking evil scumbag terrorists -- and I'm not refering to all Palestinians, just the evil terrorists -- target buses with children.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Tenchiro
Why can't you, it is just a religion. I was technically born a christian, but I would not consider myself one now. I can choose to become Jewish, so a Jew should be able to leave the group.

People talk like it is a race of people, but I have known Arabic Jews as well as Caucasian Jews.
We're like the mafia ;) :D

Originally posted by Toshi
being just a goyim asian, ya know. :rolleyes: :D
umm, y'all do know that "goyim" is derogatory to yourselves, right? I would never use that term.

[Tenchiro]

Originally posted by LordOpie
so because people hate your group, you justify it to hate another? That makes a whole bunch of sense :rolleyes:

But since I'm the token jew, I'll respond for me... are you saying I'm any of those anti-groups? Have you ever read a post by me where I beg people to not be partisan?

And yes, being anti-semetic bad, just as bad as being anti-anything else. Heck, how many times have you seen posters like Andy say this or that, eg. homosexuality, is bad/wrong? And while he hates the acts/actions/whatever, he doesn't hate the person/people.

I am not saying that, what I mean is people get very defensive about anti-semitism. But at the same time if people dislike Christians or Hindus or you never see the same sort of reaction.

Anytime there is a group formed around any type of ideology there may be other people that take an opposing position. Whether that ideology be religious, political or whatever. I just don't understand why such a fuss is made where Judaism is concerned (compared to any other group). I know as a mountain biker, certain groups are opposed to my form of recreation. I know as a more liberal member of society, that other people may take an opposing viewpoint. I understand that opinion and beleif I have, that there is someone out there with an opposite view.

I am not saying that these views should be used to propagate violence towards anyone. I just don't understand why such a fuss is made.

[Toshi]

Originally posted by LordOpie
umm, y'all do know that "goyim" is derogatory to yourselves, right? I would never use that term.
thus the :rolleyes: heh. i grew up in new york city, was the only non-jewish kid in my elementary school. wait, there was at least one other, my sister. my bad. :eek:

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Tenchiro
I am not saying that, what I mean is people get very defensive about anti-(fill in the blank)...
Yup, it's just jews and only jews.

Have you ever heard some black people say they can't be racist? What about when a white kid starts a white only scholarship? It's the jews who complain about it... I mean African-Americans.

So African-Americans and Jews are vocal about stamping out prejudice, get over it already.

So, in part, yes, it's the marketing machine of the larger minorities doing what they can to reduce the hate. Do you begrudge them for trying to stamp out the prejudice?

[Tenchiro]

Originally posted by LordOpie
Yup, it's just jews and only jews.

Have you ever heard some black people say they can't be racist? What about when a white kid starts a white only scholarship? It's the jews who complain about it... I mean African-Americans.

So African-Americans and Jews are vocal about stamping out prejudice, get over it already.

So, in part, yes, it's the marketing machine of the larger minorities doing what they can to reduce the hate. Do you begrudge them for trying to stamp out the prejudice?

You can't really compare these things though because they are totally different issues. Nobody can change what race they, but members of a religion can opt out if they like.

Not that that makes everything ok, but when you make a choice to live your life a certain way. You need to be prepared to accept that people will not agree with you.

[BurlyShirley]

This debate reminded me of this older Onion Article.

Opinion

By Walter Lolich
Did six million people really visit the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum since it opened in April 1993? That's what the United States Holocaust Memorial Council would have you believe, and if all you've been exposed to is its Zionist propaganda, you probably do. But just how many people have actually passed through the Holocaust Museum's doors?

Despite the wealth of evidence proving that the museum's visitor numbers are wildly exaggerated, it is truth seekers like myself who are labeled dangerous to society. Swayed by the Jewish agenda and its powerful lobby in Washington, millions of people have been duped into blindly accepting the museum's one-sided view of its attendance history. And those who attempt to set the record straight are promptly dismissed as "kooks," "liars," and, of course, "anti-Semites."

What are you afraid of, United States Holocaust Memorial Council? That the world will find out that the number of people interested in your museum has been greatly distorted?

Let's take a look at this supposedly well-visited museum. Just where do these attendance figures come from? You might be surprised by the answer: Speaking anonymously for fear of retribution, numerous Holocaust Museum workers have admitted that the six-million figure is "only an estimate." Furthermore, this misrepresentation includes not only visitors to the museum's Permanent Exhibition, which requires a pass, but also visitors to the rotating exhibits at the front of the building! Shocked? Anyone with a basic understanding of the way the Zionist propaganda machine works shouldn't be.

So, the supposed six million is not derived from the number of free tickets which have been distributed, but is instead a CAREFULLY AND DELIBERATELY MANIPULATED FIGURE which includes visitors to the museum who were unable to obtain a pass and only visited the all-access Wexler Learning Center. In other words, it includes visitors who could not in any way, shape, or form be counted! Even Sharon E. Underwood, one of the museum's own tour guides, admits that the question of how many people actually visited the museum remains "OPEN TO DEBATE." Yet the American Jewry continues to present six million as reality.

Further, while high-ranking Jews at the Holocaust Museum claim to have records showing the exact number of tickets distributed each day since its opening, none can provide ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER that once a ticket was handed out, the recipient actually used it and entered the museum!

Then there is the fact that a "computer glitch" wiped out all ticket data from May 14 to May 22, 1998. That begs the question, just how reliable are these computers that supposedly contain the museum's visitation records? And is it just a coincidence that those providing the six-million figure have clearly established ties to the museum's board of directors? It seems their "facts" are closer to the dangerous lie the museum and its sympathizers have so successfully gotten the public to buy into.

In addition, there is the issue of what can supposedly be found inside the museum, reported by visitors and accepted as truth by so many. How much of this is elaboration for the sake of currying the favor of the Horowitzes and Greenspans of this world? Why is flash photography EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED in the Hall Of Remembrance? WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO HIDE? And what about that rumored museum gift shop, which supposedly offers Holocaust-related books, videotapes, and teaching materials? There is precious little evidence that it even exists, yet people around the world BLINDLY ACCEPT the trumped-up stories and believe that it is there, somewhere inside the museum.

Some will provide so-called "proof" of widespread interest in the museum in the form of newspaper clippings about its 1993 grand-opening ceremony. In one such article, which ran in THE JEW YORK TIMES, a journalist named DANIEL LEVINE wrote that 3,000 people attended. By studying the accompanying photograph, I was able to verify the presence of only 16 people. If this sort of skewed math, a fact-to-fiction ratio of 16:3,000, is applied to the alleged museum total of six million, the figure is reduced to 32,000.

Considering the Holocaust Museum's proximity to Washington's National Mall, it is plausible that 32,000 people have entered since 1993—even if most did so only to use the bathroom or get a drink of water. But compared to the millions of people who visit the Smithsonian or the National Air & Space Museum each year, can anyone consider the Holocaust Museum's measly 4,500 annual visitors significant? Hardly. It's time the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum closed the door on its lies once and for all.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Tenchiro
You need to be prepared to accept that people will not agree with you.
If I needed people to agree with me, I'd start my own forum and restrict membership to just me and still get into fights once in a while :blah:

[Tenchiro]

Originally posted by LordOpie
If I needed people to agree with me, I'd start my own forum and restrict membership to just me and still get into fights once in a while :blah:

Not that I meant you in particular or anything... :monkey:

[Westy]

I am an Anti-Dentite. Friggin dentists.

:p

[ummbikes]

Isn't being from a Semite tribe a long, long, long time ago what racially makes a person Jewish? It's a race of people. Some practice a religion called Judaism, but some are Christian or Muslim or Athiests or Lord Opie's?

That's my understanding of the situation. So it is impossible to stop being Jewish, but quite possible to be Jewish and another faith.

Kind of how I can be Mexican and not Catholic.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by ummbikes
Isn't being from a Semite tribe a long, long, long time ago what racially makes a person Jewish? It's a race of people. Some practice a religion called Judaism, but some are Christian or Muslim or Athiests or Lord Opie's?
You are correct, I am the Lord of my religion, which is called Opium. If you wanna be a priest, you start out as an Opiate. Come join us, attain a higher level of being.

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by LordOpie
You are correct, I am the Lord of my religion, which is called Opium. If you wanna be a priest, you start out as an Opiate. Come join us, attain a higher level of being.

All wit aside, I'll stray far away from opiate abuse. I plan on having a massive wreck on A-line some day and will need all the power of morphine to keep me sane while I heal.