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N8
03-05-2004, 08:11 AM
Could Kerry Pick McCain for VP?
How a Democrat could choose a Republican running mate.
Slate | 3 Mar 04 | Brendan I. Koerner

Now that he's virtually sewn up the Democratic nomination, John Kerry has
started (Now that he's virtually sewn up the Democratic nomination, John Kerry has ) his search for a running mate. One rumor (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4433232) making the rounds is that Kerry will make entreaties to Sen. John McCain, a Republican. Is it really possible for a presidential candidate to select a running mate from a different party?

Not only is it theoretically possible, it's actually happened, albeit under very unusual circumstances during the Civil War. There is nothing in either party's
convention (http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/delegate_selection/convention.pdf) rules (http://www.gop.com/Images/2004Call.pdf) that specifically prohibits a candidate from selecting a running mate from the opposition. In practice, of course, it's extremely unlikely that a Republican would consent to run on a Democratic ticket, or vice versa. The traitor would certainly become persona non grata among their old partisan allies, to the point where they'd probably be forced to switch party affiliations anyway. The odds are slim to none that McCain would be willing to invite such scorn from his political chums.

It's also possible that a party's rank-and-file would coordinate a revolt on the convention floor and, going against tradition, work to subvert the presidential nominee's choice. According to the rules of the Democratic National Committee, for example, a vice presidential nomination is supposed to be affirmed by a roll-call ballot, a process that is typically a mere formality. But the selection of a Republican running mate could inspire many delegates to oppose the ticket's lesser half during the balloting. As the DNC rules note, "Delegates may vote for the candidate of their choice whether or not the name of such candidate was placed in nomination." At the very least, a ruckus like that would leave a bitter taste in everyone's mouth, at precisely the worst moment possible.

Neither party seems to put much stock in the McCain rumor, nor in whispers that President Bush could dump Vice President Dick Cheney in favor of conservative Democrat Zell Miller. As a flummoxed Republican National Committee staffer told Slate when asked, "I don't think it's written down anywhere that you can't [nominate a Democrat], but I can't believe they'd let it happen."

But it did happen once, in 1864. Republican incumbent Abraham Lincoln selected a Democrat, Andrew Johnson, as his running mate. That was during an extraordinary time, of course, and it should be noted that the pair didn't technically run under the GOP banner. Rather, they ran on the ticket of the National Union Party, a wartime coalition between Republicans and Democrats who (like Johnson) were against secession.

Prior to that, another mishmash occurred in 1796, when the Federalist John Adams won the presidential election and the Republican Thomas Jefferson was his vice president. But that was back when members of the Electoral College cast two votes for president, and the runner-up got the vice president's job. The 12th Amendment fixed that in 1804, mandating that members of the Electoral College cast one vote for president and a separate one for vice president.

Bonus Explainer: There's another far-fetched scenario in which the president and vice president could come from opposing parties. In the event of a tie in the Electoral College, the election is thrown to Congress—the House picks the president, while the Senate picks the vice president. It's entirely possible that one could select a Democrat while the other chose a Republican.

N8
03-05-2004, 08:15 AM
I personally don't see the Dim's nominating a PRO-LIFE canidate like McCain. Also, I've read McCain hates Kerry.

This kind of speculation just goes to show how bankrupt the Dimocratic Party is.

fluff
03-05-2004, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by N8
This kind of speculation just goes to show how bankrupt the Dimocratic Party is.

Please explain further.

N8
03-05-2004, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by fluff
Please explain further.

In order to attempt to fool the American Public, Lib's will say/try anything to regain power.

The Dim's know they are in the minority on just about all of their issues. So to counter that, they might consider a VP that would make them 'appear' palitable to the voters. Running a Fringe Republican like McCain on the ticket could attract huge numbers of moderates (Dim and Republicans) to their camp and get their guy Kerry elected. They know Kerry really has virtually no chance of winning vs. Bush because of his voting record, his post Vietnam antics, his non-leadership personality. The Dim's know they can not unseat Bush with strictly a "Vote for Kerry 'cuz he's not Bush" message.

fluff
03-05-2004, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by N8
In order to attempt to fool the American Public, Lib's will say/try anything to regain power.

The Dim's know they are in the minority on just about all of their issues. So to counter that, they might consider a VP that would make them 'appear' palitable to the voters. Running a Fringe Republican like McCain on the ticket could attract huge numbers of moderates (Dim and Republicans) to their camp and get their guy Kerry elected. They know Kerry really has virtually no chance of winning vs. Bush because of his voting record, his post Vietnam antics, his non-leadership personality. The Dim's know they can not unseat Bush with strictly a "Vote for Kerry 'cuz he's not Bush" message.

Was the source of the story the democratic party then?

N8
03-05-2004, 09:28 AM
Source is Dim Pundits and their media talking heads:

1. Katie Couric (NBC Today Show) Mar 04, 2004 Show
2. MSNBC: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4433232

fluff
03-05-2004, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by N8
Source is Dim Pundits and their media talking heads:

1. Katie Couric (NBC Today Show) Mar 04, 2004 Show
2. MSNBC: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4433232

So... journalists then?

Seems to me that if journalists speculate then it's the journalists who are 'bankrupt' rather than the subject of their speculation.

N8
03-05-2004, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by fluff
So... journalists then?

Seems to me that if journalists speculate then it's the journalists who are 'bankrupt' rather than the subject of their speculation.

In this case "journalists" = Democratic party talking heads

MMike
03-05-2004, 09:50 AM
I find really clever how you switch the "E" for an "I" in democrat...so it says "dim".....cuz you think they are dim.....get it? Dim? Dem? AHAHAHA...its beauty is in its simplicity...

fluff
03-05-2004, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by N8
In this case "journalists" = Democratic party talking heads

Oh, so;

Journalist N8 agrees with = journalist
Journalist N8 disagrees with = Democratic party talking head

Bollox then, basically.

N8
03-05-2004, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by fluff
Oh, so;

Journalist N8 agrees with = journalist
Journalist N8 disagrees with = Democratic party talking head

Bollox then, basically.

Nah.... its been pretty well established that "The Perky One" is far from being objective.

fluff
03-05-2004, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by N8
Nah.... its been pretty well established that "The Perky One" is far from being objective.

Lack of objectivity does not make someone a spokesperson for the subject of their speculation, which was your implication.

Tenchiro
03-05-2004, 10:14 AM
Personally I got a good impression from Edwards, based on the interviews I have seen him do. I think John McCain is a bad idea simply because he says the stupidest crap at the worst possible moment.

stevew
03-05-2004, 09:03 PM
Generally when the VP is picked, it is someone who will not upstage or is not as charasmatic as the President. That being said, the only people with less personality than Kerry are Gore or Lieberman.

At least that's how I always thought it went.

Edwards makes Kerry look like a corpse.

Tenchiro
03-05-2004, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by stevew
Generally when the VP is picked, it is someone who will not upstage or is not as charasmatic as the President. That being said, the only people with less personality than Kerry are Gore or Lieberman.

At least that's how I always thought it went.

Edwards makes Kerry look like a corpse.

You're right, and I found his perfect running mate.

http://www.customcreatures.com/corpse-torso812.jpg

:thumb:

Repack
03-07-2004, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by N8
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Not only is it theoretically possible, it's actually happened, albeit under very unusual circumstances during the Civil War.
That is VERY misleading. Lincoln chose Andrew Johnson b/c he knew that even when hostilities ended, the nation would remain deeply divided. He knew that by having a Southern Democrat as VP, the nation would be easier to reunify.