The Political Compass Revisited

[fluff]

Because I'm a little board today I plotted the positions of those who posted their political compass results:

[fluff]

For comparison here is the international version from the political compass website: (Note the scale is different, this is up to 10 in each axis, the one above was to 8 for reasons of apathy):

[zod]

link please???

[fluff]

Originally posted by zod
link please???

Grumble, grumble, Google, grumble, search button, grumble, get off your, grumble, grumble..


www.politicalcompass.org I think... (http://www.politicalcompass.org/)

[zod]

Yea, I searched and found it ;)

Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.21

[fluff]

Originally posted by zod
Yea, I searched and found it ;)

Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.21

Ooh, you radical!

[zod]

I know....I'm crazy like that. I'm thinking about staying up until 10PM tonight and watching the late news!!!!!

[brenth]

The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

[llkoolkeg]

Your political compass:
Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.08

[Toshi]

Originally posted by fluff
Because I'm a little board today I plotted the positions of those who posted their political compass results:
cool. just call me the dalai lama from now, eh :D . plus i seem to share closest-political-views-to-fluff co-honors.

[Skookum]

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90

i obviously need to re-evaluate my views.:monkey:

[El Jefe]

Economic Left/Right: 0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15


Good test. It nailed me exactly. Right down the middle on my economic policy and very much a social Libertarian.

[derekbob]

Econ L/R -7.62

Social Libertarian/authoritarian -5.49

[Toshi]

fluff, can you find the correlation between age (beyond age 18) and the two measured axes here? :D if you're really bored, that is...

as a data point, i am 4 years beyond age 18...

[LordOpie]

Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44

Maybe Fluff will be kind enough to update his chart for the first post with the new posters' numbers?

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by Toshi
fluff, can you find the correlation between age (beyond age 18) and the two measured axes here? :D if you're really bored, that is...

as a data point, i am 4 years beyond age 18... if he can find the time, I'd suggest using a "temperature" system on the 2-D plot.

[fluff]

Originally posted by Toshi
fluff, can you find the correlation between age (beyond age 18) and the two measured axes here? :D if you're really bored, that is...

as a data point, i am 4 years beyond age 18...

I could (when I get another bored moment and feel like taking the fight to MS Excel again). I'd need to know everyone's ages though.

Oddly enough I remember hearing a long time ago that people generally become more right-wing as they get older. I seem to be heading the other way. (I am a lot further left at 38 than I was at 25.)

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by LordOpie
Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44

Maybe Fluff will be kind enough to update his chart for the first post with the new posters' numbers?

Looks like me, you, and the Kegmaster are about the same, according to this fool proof, tell all chart. :)

BTW Fluff, nice job on the Monkey chart. Very interesting. Where N8's dot? :D

[fluff]

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
Looks like me, you, and the Kegmaster are about the same, according to this fool proof, tell all chart. :)

BTW Fluff, nice job on the Monkey chart. Very interesting. Where N8's dot? :D

Well my scale only went up to 8...

I don't think N8 ever posted his numbers, I'm guessing he's somewhere out in the +7's?

Whaddya say N8?

[LordOpie]

oh, you know darn well N8 took the test and was embarrassed to find out that he's far more liberal than he wants to admit :devil:

[N8]

My score in a very skewed questionair:

Economic Left/Right: 4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44

[ALEXIS_DH]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.54

its about where i thought it was going to be.

[ALEXIS_DH]

Originally posted by fluff

Oddly enough I remember hearing a long time ago that people generally become more right-wing as they get older. I seem to be heading the other way. (I am a lot further left at 38 than I was at 25.)

hmm, i think it kinda depends where you start. i think is the older the more center-wing you get.

[ALEXIS_DH]

Originally posted by Toshi
fluff, can you find the correlation between age (beyond age 18) and the two measured axes here? :D if you're really bored, that is...

as a data point, i am 4 years beyond age 18...


maybe one as a function of IQ, to test stuart mill's idea.

[Toshi]

Originally posted by ALEXIS_DH
maybe one as a function of IQ, to test stuart mill's idea.
what's his idea?

fluff, i'd heard the same thing (in a slashdot signature quote actually :D), thus the desire for you to do the work so that i can see the results in lovely graphical form, heh

[golgiaparatus]

Interersting test.... here is me:

[ALEXIS_DH]

Originally posted by Toshi
what's his idea?


Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.

[N8]

Originally posted by ALEXIS_DH
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.

Actually not.

[BurlyShirley]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.08


Well, there's me:confused:

[ALEXIS_DH]

Originally posted by N8
Actually not.

i think John stuart mill was right.

this was discussed among the faculty of Duke University. Why aren't many republican professors? was a complain from some republican students.

the philosophy chair mentioned stupidity is not a common thing in academia. and then quoted JSM as a response.
if most conservative are stupid, and professors are usually smart. both groups should not overlap that much. makes sense.

2nd. the most republican states, are usually the ones with the lowest education levels and the lowest SAT scores.
not a causality thing, but an interesting coincidence nonetheless.

but i think JSM idea does not work very good in both extremes of the liberal and conservative ends. (the 5% end of each i would guess).

Milton Friedman being an extremely smart economic conservative, and Ernesto Guevara being and extremely stupid liberal are some point way out of the league.

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by ALEXIS_DH
i think John stuart mill was right.

this was discussed among the faculty of Duke University. Why aren't many republican professors? was a complain from some republican students.

the philosophy chair mentioned stupidity is not a common thing in academia. and then quoted JSM as a response.
if most conservative are stupid, and professors are usually smart. both groups dont overlap that much. makes sense.

2nd. the most republican states, are usually the ones with the lowest education levels and the lowest SAT scores.
not a causality thing, but an interesting coincidence nonetheless.

but i think JSM idea does not work very good in both extremes of the liberal and conservative ends.

Milton Friedman being an extremely smart economic conservative, and Ernesto Guevara being and extremely stupid liberal.

take that for what its worth.

who are the ones with the most money?:)

[ALEXIS_DH]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
take that for what its worth.

who are the ones with the most money?:)


hmm, california, ny, MA..... does that mean the liberals??? :p

[ALEXIS_DH]

am not very familiar with the US sociodemographic profile of voters, but seems to me, as far as i can tell, against what i listen around here in the south.

In 2000, the voters in 17 out of 25 of the nation's most affluent counties -- all with high percentages of people with advanced degrees -- cast majorities for Al Gore, sometimes by more than 70 percent.

In nine out of the 10 poorest counties in Kentucky, for example, places where the Democratic Party of Harry S. Truman ran roughshod over Republican adversaries, George W. Bush won, frequently by margins the mirror image of Gore's in the nation's richest and best educated counties.

seems its against common sense, and against what u'd expect, poors voting for those who favor the poor, and rich voting for those who favor the rich.

think voting republican has little to do with economics, and more to do with cultural affairs.

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by ALEXIS_DH


think voting republican has little to do with economics, and more to do with cultural affairs.

did you come up with that all by yourself?

[ALEXIS_DH]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
did you come up with that all by yourself?


yeah, its obvious for your because u grew up here, but i realized that after 1 semester living in DA SOUTH!!

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by ALEXIS_DH
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.

Me thinks it is easier to be conservative... takes less thought. Seems to me a lot of conservatives are followers... have a problem forming their own opinions and standing up for them, conservatives are also usually more afraid of change, takes a lot of effort and though to change.

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
takes a lot of effort and though to change.

That, or Dem's have short attention spans and are easily persuaded....;)

Dumb can be found on both sides....just your side seems smart 'cause they agree with your dumb ideas :D

Bubba smash rocks...

Biff smash rocks too...

Biff is smart like Bubba.

lol! I made a funny. :) If even only funny to me.

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by fluff
Grumble, grumble, Google, grumble, search button, grumble, get off your, grumble, grumble..


www.politicalcompass.org I think... (http://www.politicalcompass.org/)

Sorry I didn't open this soon.

"grumble grumble..." LMAO :thumb:

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
Me thinks it is easier to be conservative... takes less thought. Seems to me a lot of conservatives are followers... have a problem forming their own opinions and standing up for them, conservatives are also usually more afraid of change, takes a lot of effort and though to change. so, if i were to cave to the overwhelming liberal positions on this forum, i'm ceasing my efforts to resist - i start following you - i take opinions doled out to me - and i've thusly changed. This conversion makes me....let's see...conservative? wtf?

how brave of you to make such a brazen claim here in this last bastion of liberal minions.

feh!

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by fluff
For comparison here is the international version from the political compass website: (Note the scale is different, this is up to 10 in each axis, the one above was to 8 for reasons of apathy):

Did those people ever take the test? :D

[Toshi]

Originally posted by $tinkle
so, if i were to cave to the overwhelming liberal positions on this forum, i'm ceasing my efforts to resist - i start following you - i take opinions doled out to me - and i've thusly changed. This conversion makes me....let's see...conservative? wtf?

how brave of you to make such a brazen claim here in this last bastion of liberal minions.

feh!
feh? heh. it is true that conservatives are often reactionary, which was what he was getting at.

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by Toshi
feh? heh. it is true that conservatives are often reactionary, which was what he was getting at.

What! :eek:



:D :p

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by $tinkle
so, if i were to cave to the overwhelming liberal positions on this forum, i'm ceasing my efforts to resist - i start following you - i take opinions doled out to me - and i've thusly changed. This conversion makes me....let's see...conservative? wtf?

how brave of you to make such a brazen claim here in this last bastion of liberal minions.

feh!

:rolleyes: As I have witnessed it, many conservatives tent to follow the lead of things that have been established in the past... I mean hell, 'conserve' is in the damn word...

Conservative-tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions (web-muthaphukin-sters).

So like I said following existing ideas and opinions is much easier tham forming your own, therefore, being coservative is easier and takes less mental effort. That is not to say that conservatives do not think, just that it is easier to be conservative.

Also I find that conservatives tend to get their panties in a wad very easily :monkey:

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Toshi
feh? heh. it is true that conservatives are often reactionary, which was what he was getting at. seems to me that lifting any accountability also clears the path for selfish reaction (vice consideration).

termination of an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy is an excellent example. There are others, but that should be good troll fodder for now.

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
Conservative-tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions (web-muthaphukin-sters).

Also I find that conservatives tend to get their panties in a wad very easily so, you revise your 'reactive' statement for one which required research (which i applaud). But, now i don't see which side of the fence you are on, according to your definition. You plan on changing any positions any time? If not, then welcome home, son.

i avoid your 2nd statement by not wearing panties.

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
:rolleyes: As I have witnessed it, many conservatives tent to follow the lead of things that have been established in the past... I mean hell, 'conserve' is in the damn word...

Conservative-tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions (web-muthaphukin-sters).

So like I said following existing ideas and opinions is much easier tham forming your own, therefore, being coservative is easier and takes less mental effort. That is not to say that conservatives do not think, just that it is easier to be conservative.

Also I find that conservatives tend to get their panties in a wad very easily :monkey:

Aw that is just because libs don't wear any underpants.....so they can't wad. :D Me. I hate freeball'n. I like to keep my soilders safe and tucked away. (yes I am a tighty whitey man myself. Actually I do have them in colors)

Yes, libs form thier own opinions, just like every other liberal. ;) Conservatives don't think for themselves. They let Bush do it for them...it is easier that way.

[Tenchiro]

Conservatives seem very defensive too...

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by Tenchiro
Conservatives seem very defensive too...

It's their abused puppy past.....they can't help it.

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by $tinkle
seems to me that lifting any accountability also clears the path for selfish reaction (vice consideration).

termination of an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy is an excellent example. There are others, but that should be good troll fodder for now.

so, you revise your 'reactive' statement for one which required research (which i applaud). But, now i don't see which side of the fence you are on, according to your definition. You plan on changing any positions any time? If not, then welcome home, son.

i avoid your 2nd statement by not wearing panties.

I revised it so your could wrap your reactionary brain around it.

I try not to put myself on a side of the fence. However, people who I disagree with most tend to be conservative.

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
Me thinks it is easier to be conservative... takes less thought. Seems to me a lot of conservatives are followers... have a problem forming their own opinions and standing up for them, conservatives are also usually more afraid of change, takes a lot of effort and though to change.

Seems to me its not about what's easier, so much as its about what's right. Just because you agree with a common opinion doesnt mean you're incapable of forming your own either. To me, it seems like lots of libs are nothing more than non-conformists who wouldnt agree with any accepted situation because they like controversy and hearing their own voice. Sometimes it takes alot of effort to stand up for what you beleive in when you're conservative to. Effort has nothing to do with it IMO.

PS. I'd never date a girl with dreadlocks. Its not because Im uneducated about them or havent devoted time to learning to love them, its just that i think they're gross. Im a bit conservative in that manner. You, on the other hand, are more liberal in your acceptance of what a girl's hair should do. You think its fine. The difference has nothing to do with intelligence. Its in the basic makeup of being a person.

[Toshi]

Originally posted by $tinkle
seems to me that lifting any accountability also clears the path for selfish reaction (vice consideration).

termination of an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy is an excellent example. There are others, but that should be good troll fodder for now.

fair enough, but you can't argue with the (circular in my usage) m-w.com (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=reactionary&x=0&y=0) definition:

Main Entry: re�ac�tion�ary
Pronunciation: rE-'ak-sh&-"ner-E
Function: adjective
: relating to, marked by, or favoring reaction; especially : ultraconservative in politics
- reactionary noun
- re�ac�tion�ary�ism /-"i-z&m/ noun

:D

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Toshi
fair enough, but you can't argue with the (circular in my usage) m-w.com (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=reactionary&x=0&y=0) definition:



:D looks like the right just got own3d

but wait, also from m-w.com (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=liberal), we have this for liberal: obsolete : lacking moral restraint : LICENTIOUSso, are liberals both obsolete & lacking in moral restraint?

and ok, there is this:one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways heyyyyy!!!!


must be fun to work @ MW & troll all day :)

[fluff]

Originally posted by $tinkle
so, if i were to cave to the overwhelming liberal positions on this forum, i'm ceasing my efforts to resist - i start following you - i take opinions doled out to me - and i've thusly changed. This conversion makes me....let's see...conservative? wtf?

how brave of you to make such a brazen claim here in this last bastion of liberal minions.

feh!

You're all conservatives to me!

[DRB]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
:rolleyes: As I have witnessed it, many conservatives tent to follow the lead of things that have been established in the past... I mean hell, 'conserve' is in the damn word...

Conservative-tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions (web-muthaphukin-sters).

So like I said following existing ideas and opinions is much easier tham forming your own, therefore, being coservative is easier and takes less mental effort. That is not to say that conservatives do not think, just that it is easier to be conservative.

Also I find that conservatives tend to get their panties in a wad very easily :monkey:

Come on these are not conservative only traits. In reality this forum is an anamoly as most of the folks here do have well thoughout opinions and beliefs (there are some knuckleheads on some issues). In the real world, most folks don't give their beliefs a second thought. They stick with what they knew as kids and never waver from that spot. If you were to ask them even a basic defense of any of their positions they would be horribly unable to do so. For the most part the hard core on either side of the coin are completely and totally set in their ways with little or no chance of ever modifying their views.

Liberals do not hold any special edge or ability over conservatives for rethinking their positions or providing new and innovative solutions to our existing problems.

I have seen plenty of self confessed liberals on this forum get way bent out of proportion (or panties in a wad as you stated). Even more so then the conservative brethern here.

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Seems to me its not about what's easier, so much as its about what's right. Just because you agree with a common opinion doesnt mean you're incapable of forming your own either. To me, it seems like lots of libs are nothing more than non-conformists who wouldnt agree with any accepted situation because they like controversy and hearing their own voice. Sometimes it takes alot of effort to stand up for what you beleive in when you're conservative to. Effort has nothing to do with it IMO.

PS. I'd never date a girl with dreadlocks. Its not because Im uneducated about them or havent devoted time to learning to love them, its just that i think they're gross. Im a bit conservative in that manner. You, on the other hand, are more liberal in your acceptance of what a girl's hair should do. You think its fine. The difference has nothing to do with intelligence. Its in the basic makeup of being a person.

And I'd never have sex with a flotation device or any form of sea mammal, our opinions will differ in that way, I am almost positive :D

But thats okay.

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by Toshi
fair enough, but you can't argue with the (circular in my usage) m-w.com (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=reactionary&x=0&y=0) definition:



:D

BWAAAHHH!!!

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
And I'd never have sex with a flotation device or any form of sea mammal,

You're sooooooo conservative that way.

:D

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
You're sooooooo conservative that way.

:D

Floatie phucking is wrong and I hear Sharpton is going to ban floatie sex in all states, thats why Im with him! Its because of the issues man!

[laura]

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

[911]

Your political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05

[BuddhaRoadkill]

Holy Mother of God !?!?!?!

Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82

I knew I was a bit liberal .... but ... hahahah.

[I'm going to have to try it again when I"m sober :p ]

Edit: Has anyone seen my sea mammal? She was just here a minute ago.