screw it, I'll start one!

[BurlyShirley]

I think hunting is fun, cool and necessary for the environment. I like bloody meat of cute, furry, cuddly woodland animals, and no one should be able to say a damned thing about it.

[bikeCOLORADO]

I say again...join P.E.T.A.

People Eating Tasty Animals!!

[NAUGHTY SHORTY]

Just like your avatar?. Or are kittens not on the agenda?

[Silver]

Most of the time, I'd agree with you.

Unless you're shooting something endangered, like a panda. Or you're shooting something to stuff and put on your wall while the carcass rots in the woods. Yah, you shot a deer. Your penis must be bigger!

A farmer protecting his her from a cougar? I'll buy that one too. Shooting stuff for the sake of just shooting something strikes me as wasteful though. It's like almost anything else, if you can do it and not be an asshole, go ahead.

It's the guys who pay huge amounts of money to put a bighorn head on their wall who make most hunters look bad.

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by Silver
Most of the time, I'd agree with you.

Unless you're shooting something endangered, like a panda. Or you're shooting something to stuff and put on your wall while the carcass rots in the woods. Yah, you shot a deer. Your penis must be bigger!

A farmer protecting his her from a cougar? I'll buy that one too. Shooting stuff for the sake of just shooting something strikes me as wasteful though. It's like almost anything else, if you can do it and not be an asshole, go ahead.

It's the guys who pay huge amounts of money to put a bighorn head on their wall who make most hunters look bad.

Right on.

i hunt for food and fun. i see no point in hunting animals you're not going to eat, unless they're pests or an endangerment (is that a word?) to livestock.

[rbx]

i like hunting but the not the big stuff like deer or moose but mostly wild birds(sorry dont know the english names for them)

BUT i dont agree with the following

hunting out of season(spring time etc..)
hunting for placing stuffed animals above the fireplace
hunting indangered animals

[I Are Baboon]

I don't hunt personally, but I don't mind enjoying the meat that other hunters provide. :D


Mmmmmm...meat.

[LordOpie]

eating animals is wrong. it's just too close to canibalism.

[valve bouncer]

You're gonna have to do better than that mate:rolleyes:

[slein]

it'd be better if the animals had guns too. then hunting would be a fair fight. something doesn't seem right about shooting a deer from a distance. all else being equal, hunting is good so long as it is sustainable - no extinction. heck, cows, chicken, pigs, rabbits and other lifeforms are killed everyday to feed us people.

i'd like to try using a cross bow to hunt. even if a rifle is used, its so manly to bring home some hind. just make sure that you have the right target.

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by slein
it'd be better if the animals had guns too. then hunting would be a fair fight. something doesn't seem right about shooting a deer from a distance.

From what distance would have deer shot from? 1cm or 100m it still is going to kill the critter! :D

Originally posted by slein

all else being equal, hunting is good so long as it is sustainable - no extinction. heck, cows, chicken, pigs, rabbits and other lifeforms are killed everyday to feed us people.

i'd like to try using a cross bow to hunt. even if a rifle is used, its so manly to bring home some hind. just make sure that you have the right target.

You should try a compound bow. Good times, mi amigo, good times.

[SwisSlesS]

I love meat, but I would never want to hunt. I couldn't kill an animal. However, I don't think anyone should say that you can't.

[LordOpie]

actually, due to inhumane treatment of animals, i'm eating less meat. i haven't eaten veal in 15 yrs or so. I'd sooner go kill a free range animal myself than eat veal. I used to think hunting was wrong, but now i realize it's more ethical than eating mass raised meat.

Trophy hunting tho, strictly for the trophy and not using the meat, that's incredibly wrong and selfish. Eat what you kill... unless you accidentally kill a pedestrian with your bike, then maybe not.

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by LordOpie
actually, due to inhumane treatment of animals, i'm eating less meat. i haven't eaten veal in 15 yrs or so. I'd sooner go kill a free range animal myself than eat veal. I used to think hunting was wrong, but now i realize it's more ethical than eating mass raised meat.

Trophy hunting tho, strictly for the trophy and not using the meat, that's incredibly wrong and selfish. Eat what you kill... unless you accidentally kill a pedestrian with your bike, then maybe not.

I am coming from a different starting point but oddly ending up up where you are. I have always been a pro-hunting kind of guy but now am seeing the health and ethical benefits to eating "free range" meat.

I read Fast Food Nation and saw a documentary on meat packing houses and suddenly lost my appetite for a lot of beef. I have found a rancher who doesn't give his cattle any commercially prepared feed and is local. I have never understood why I had to buy beef grown in Nebraska when there are thousands of cows within a few miles of my home.

My favorite meat is antelope, my father in law shoots a few trophy animals a year, and the antelope is the best. They eat a lot a sage brush and literally come pre-seasoned.

The trophy hunters I know with out exception eat their kills. Except for maybe bear. I do reacall though that my father in laws guide of choice for bear in Alaska makes more money from selling the inards of the bear than he does from his fees for the guided hunts. (In Alaska you must have a guide if you live out of state.)

The benefit of trophy hunts is the economic boost the Fish and Wildlife agencys, concervation groups and local bussiness gleen from the hunters tag fees and supplies. In Africa in many reserves the funds to protect the vast majority of the animals comes from hunts. In Arizona, the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation auctions off a permit to hunt in a zone that holds the largest Elk in the world. This permit has been "sold" for upwards of a million dollars and is a crucial fundraiser for the foundations efforts to preserve wilderness and elk herds. The issue is much more than a good/bad or black/white problem. Instictivly trophy hunting seems wrong but like all issues shows much more latitude for acceptability if analyzed and not simply judged without evidence.

[partsbara]

personally i prefer to cut an animals throat and drink it s blood

just me ;)

seriously, if you kill it.. EAT IT.... it isn t that hard to comprehend right ?$@%!

parts

your friendly neighbourhood meat murderer

[partsbara]

personally i prefer to cut an animals throat and drink it s blood

just me ;)

seriously, if you kill it.. EAT IT.... it isn t that hard to comprehend right ?$@%!

parts

your friendly neighbourhood meat murderer.. f@#king kidney beans !

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by ummbikes
The benefit of trophy hunts is the economic boost the Fish and Wildlife agencys, concervation groups and local bussiness gleen from the hunters tag fees and supplies. In Africa in many reserves the funds to protect the vast majority of the animals comes from hunts. In Arizona, the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation auctions off a permit to hunt in a zone that holds the largest Elk in the world. This permit has been "sold" for upwards of a million dollars and is a crucial fundraiser for the foundations efforts to preserve wilderness and elk herds. The issue is much more than a good/bad or black/white problem. Instictivly trophy hunting seems wrong but like all issues shows much more latitude for acceptability if analyzed and not simply judged without evidence.

sorry, don't buy the logic that pointless killing is somehow outweighed by the economic or environmental benefits.

Want a bear or lion head on your wall... prove just how much of a man you really are. Eat it. *breaks into Weird Al impersonation* Just eat it!

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by LordOpie
sorry, don't buy the logic that pointless killing is somehow outweighed by the economic or environmental benefits.



What logic do have have to offer as a rebuttal?

You don't buy it?

Why?

What is the reason or thoughts that lead you to reject my sound thoughts?;)

[brock]

I don't kill animals nor do I eat them.

I wish "Fast Food Nation" or "Diet for a New America" was required reading in schools.

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by brock
I don't kill animals nor do I eat them.

I wish "Fast Food Nation" or "Diet for a New America" was required reading in schools.

I kill animals and i eat them. I think its fun too.:)

If id read that as a kid, id probably eat twice as much meat just to spite vegetarians.

[brock]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
I kill animals and i eat them. I think its fun too.:)

If id read that as a kid, id probably eat twice as much meat just to spite vegetarians.

I'm not surprised in the least.

I believe that you and I are polar opposites.

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by brock
I'm not surprised in the least.

I believe that you and I are polar opposites.
I don't think anyone is surprised Brock. BS's normal reaction to anything that might challenge his beliefs is to bury his head even deeper in the sand. As for getting him to read the books, well fat chance, he's only got two books at home and one of them hasn't even been coloured in yet.:rolleyes: :D

[Jr_Bullit]

Don't mind the meat (though I tend to not eat any of it), don't mind the idea of hunting for food, what I hate with a huge passion is when someone goes out to DNR land, or some other forested area and just shoots to kill and walks away.

:angry:

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by ummbikes
What logic do have have to offer as a rebuttal?

You don't buy it?

Why?

What is the reason or thoughts that lead you to reject my sound thoughts?;)

you're saying it's ok to kill one or few for the good of the whole?

So if RM community decided it'd be best for everyone to stone you to death to free up bandwidth, you'd be good with that? Excellent :devil:

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by LordOpie
you're saying it's ok to kill one or few for the good of the whole?

So if RM community decided it'd be best for everyone to stone you to death to free up bandwidth, you'd be good with that? Excellent :devil:
In a lot of places, particularly in Africa there just isn't the money to properly protect the animals. Huge fees for some fat bastard to shoot an elephant helps pay for the anti-poaching patrols. No anti-poaching patrols equals no elephants.
For the life of me though I can't see why anyone would want to kill something like an elephant just for fun. I mean you'd have to be very f:cken hungry to eat an elephant, other than that there's no reason:D ;) . Still I can see the logic behind allowing it, sacrifice a few if it means the majority are safer.
And if we are talkin' about culling RM members I can think of a few I'd like to nominate ahead of Ummbikes:D

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by valve bouncer
In a lot of places, particularly in Africa there just isn't the money to properly protect the animals. Huge fees for some fat bastard to shoot an elephant helps pay for the anti-poaching patrols. No anti-poaching patrols equals no elephants.

I don't fault the system or the gov't. I suspect they're doing their best. I do fault hunters, specifically poachers, for the situation. I think the patrols should just shoot to kill poachers out there. That'll make poachers think twice :devil:

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by LordOpie
I don't fault the system or the gov't. I suspect they're doing their best. I do fault hunters, specifically poachers, for the situation. I think the patrols should just shoot to kill poachers out there. That'll make poachers think twice :devil:
That's what they do Opie, this is Africa mate, they don't send the poachers to counselling. But when rhino horn is US$ 10,000 a kilogram that's a lot of incentive for dirt poor people. It also breeds corruption, endemic at the best of times in Africa. It's not an easy problem LO, but the best approach seems to be convincing the local people that the animals are an asset. Unfortunately that means making money off them and one way to do that is to let fat, middle aged white guys shoot them for sh*ts and giggles. Tough sad world mate, what can I say.

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by valve bouncer
I don't think anyone is surprised Brock. BS's normal reaction to anything that might challenge his beliefs is to bury his head even deeper in the sand. As for getting him to read the books, well fat chance, he's only got two books at home and one of them hasn't even been coloured in yet.:rolleyes: :D

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Why, just because i dont agree with something, does that mean im burying my head in the sand? Vegetables are just gross and they dont even bleed when you shoot them.

[-BB-]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
I think hunting is fun, cool and necessary for the environment. I like bloody meat of cute, furry, cuddly woodland animals, and no one should be able to say a damned thing about it.

Ok... If that's what you want.

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Why, just because i dont agree with something, does that mean im burying my head in the sand? Vegetables are just gross and they dont even bleed when you shoot them.
No you have your head stuck in the sand because even when you patently don't know what you're talking about you refuse to learn more. God forbid that the books in question might make you think. You don't have to be a vegetarian to appreciate the information as ummbikes pointed out. This is not a plot to stop little old you from enjoying your porterhouse boy it's about improving the way the meat gets to your table. I mean it may even have some health benefits for you.
P.S- I like your subtle use of the smilies, very under-stated.

[Velocity Girl]

Originally posted by valve bouncer
In a lot of places, particularly in Africa there just isn't the money to properly protect the animals. Huge fees for some fat bastard to shoot an elephant helps pay for the anti-poaching patrols. No anti-poaching patrols equals no elephants.
For the life of me though I can't see why anyone would want to kill something like an elephant just for fun. I mean you'd have to be very f:cken hungry to eat an elephant, other than that there's no reason:D ;) . Still I can see the logic behind allowing it, sacrifice a few if it means the majority are safer.
And if we are talkin' about culling RM members I can think of a few I'd like to nominate ahead of Ummbikes:D

And some of those animals carry quite the price tag on their heads. I had a buddy of mine in college who went on shooting safaris to Africa in the summer...let me tell you, it's weird walking into a place and seeing a wildebeast head over the fireplace, a zebra head on the wall, a tiger pelt over the banister...and various other throphies scattered about!

I can't understand the attaraction myself, but I would imagine part of it is the adrenaline rush. My buddy explained to me the technique they use to get a clean shot on an animal so it's suitable for mounting... hide behind a screen and have the animal charge you so you can get a clean shot in the chest...and PRAY that if you miss you back up shots will get the animal before it gets you!! I don't understand it, but I would imagine that your adrenaline would be pumping beyond belief if you had a full grown male leopard charging you :eek:

I can see the economic reasons behind why they allow the animals to be hunted, but don't really like trophy hunting. If you kill it and eat it, then I have no problems with hunting...and it actually helps control the animal population in many areas.

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by Velocity Girl


I can't understand the attaraction myself, but I would imagine part of it is the adrenaline rush. I don't understand it, but I would imagine that your adrenaline would be pumping beyond belief if you had a full grown male leopard charging you :eek:

I can see the economic reasons behind why they allow the animals to be hunted, but don't really like trophy hunting. If you kill it and eat it, then I have no problems with hunting...and it actually helps control the animal population in many areas.
I don't really get it either VG. For me, just being around those animals was a big enough adrenaline rush. Still even though I don't morally agree with trophy hunting in the end it is probably to some degree a necessary evil. Sad that it has to come to that though.:(

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by valve bouncer
No you have your head stuck in the sand because even when you patently don't know what you're talking about you refuse to learn more. God forbid that the books in question might make you think. You don't have to be a vegetarian to appreciate the information as ummbikes pointed out. This is not a plot to stop little old you from enjoying your porterhouse boy it's about improving the way the meat gets to your table. I mean it may even have some health benefits for you.
P.S- I like your subtle use of the smilies, very under-stated.

I go to the store. I buy the meat. What happens before that is inconsequential. I read quite alot actually, just not on this subject, although i did read "The Jungle" in 8th grade, and that just made me hungry.

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Vegetables are just gross and they dont even bleed when you shoot them.

V.B. is a vegetable. I bet he'd bleed if you shot him.

Huh? Wait, oh, ok, my bad. VB's not a vegetable, he's a fruit. Carry on.


;)
:D

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by LordOpie
you're saying it's ok to kill one or few for the good of the whole?

Slightly accurate, what I'm saying is, hunting is a great financial resource to the government. Wildlife and wilderness management are costly operations. The tax structure that funds wilderness and wildlife conservation rely heavily on the fees payed by hunters. The fact that some animals are killed by hunters as opposed to starvation or predation in order that the specis as a whole is managed better is an acceptable loss.

Originally posted by LordOpie

So if RM community decided it'd be best for everyone to stone you to death to free up bandwidth, you'd be good with that? Excellent :devil:

Actually based on my example I wouldn't be offered for stoning but I would be expected to pay for a permit to post in the Political Debate forum. A portion of the funds I would pay for this service when then go to maintain the Political Debate forum and the rest would be spent to maintain Ridemonkey.com as a whole.
I am not the resource in this case I am the user of the resource.

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by LordOpie
V.B. is a vegetable. I bet he'd bleed if you shot him.

Huh? Wait, oh, ok, my bad. VB's not a vegetable, he's a fruit. Carry on.


;)
:D
Actually I'm a yeast extract. I'd probably bleed Asahi Super Dry if ya shot me.
BTW Opie, haven't you got some candy to steal from a baby somewhere:rolleyes: ;)

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by ummbikes
Actually based on my example I wouldn't be offered for stoning but I would be expected to pay for a permit to post in the Political Debate forum. A portion of the funds I would pay for this service when then go to maintain the Political Debate forum and the rest would be spent to maintain Ridemonkey.com as a whole.
I am not the resource in this case I am the user of the resource.

actually, in your example, other RM members would pay to stone you :D Those proceeds would then go to maintaining RM.

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by LordOpie
actually, in your example, other RM members would pay to stone you :D Those proceeds would then go to maintaining RM.
Who threw that????

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by valve bouncer
Who threw that????
Well, i'm not into throwing stones, but i do know a few I'd like to have a pillow fight with :devil:

[brock]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Why, just because i dont agree with something, does that mean im burying my head in the sand? Vegetables are just gross and they dont even bleed when you shoot them.

The thing is, you not only disagree but you are the type that likes to fan fires. I see your gimmick. It's no different than a guy like Tom Leykis or some AM talk radio jockey who just makes inflamatory remarks to stimulate arguements.

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by LordOpie
actually, in your example, other RM members would pay to stone you :D Those proceeds would then go to maintaining RM.

I'm flattered people would pay actual money to stone me!:D

Still your logic is off. We a dealing with resources and users.

Resources: wildlife = ridemonkey
Users: hunters = RM members

Or wildlife is to hunters as Ridemonkey is to LordOpie (or me!).

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by ummbikes
I flattered people would pay actual money to stone me!:D

Still your logic is off. We a dealing with resources and users.

Resources: wildlife = ridemonkey
Users: hunters = RM members

Or wildlife is to hunters as Ridemonkey is to LordOpie (or me!).
Yeah, yeah, look this is all well and good but what I wanna know is "WHEN DOES THE F*CKEN STONING START?" Jehovah jehovah jehovah

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by valve bouncer
Yeah, yeah, look this is all well and good but what I wanna know is "WHEN DOES THE F*CKEN STONING START?" Jehovah jehovah jehovah

Note to self: Avoid meeting up with Valve Bouncer near any rocks. If unavoidable wear military spec. riot gear.

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by brock
The thing is, you not only disagree but you are the type that likes to fan fires. I see your gimmick. It's no different than a guy like Tom Leykis or some AM talk radio jockey who just makes inflamatory remarks to stimulate arguements.

Yeah, well, this is the political DEBATE forum, so thats exactly what im trying to do. read the title of the thread?

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by brock
The thing is, you not only disagree but you are the type that likes to fan fires. I see your gimmick. It's no different than a guy like Tom Leykis or some AM talk radio jockey who just makes inflamatory remarks to stimulate arguements.

umm, that is the exact purpose of this thread? BS was just doing a bit of CPR on the forum.

Granted, he is a Marine, so he probably does like to shoot things :D

[rbx]

man imo nothing is tastier then a deer steak with fries and a nice cold imported beer!

[brock]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Yeah, well, this is the political DEBATE forum, so thats exactly what im trying to do. read the title of the thread?



Oh yes I forgot. It is a "DEBATE". I did some some actual debating going on in the thread. Then I ran across these gems


I kill animals and i eat them. I think its fun too.:)


Vegetables are just gross and they dont even bleed when you shoot them.

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by brock
Oh yes I forgot. It is a "DEBATE". I did some some actual debating going on in the thread. Then I ran across these gems

Yes, well remember 2 posts ago when we discussed that i was trying to conjur up an argument? If you're two slow to remember, just read back a bit.;)

sissy.:)

[brock]

Originally posted by BurlySurly


sissy.:)


Oh no! A big tough marine who likes to kill is calling me a sissy.


Oh wait he put a smilie on the end of it. That makes it all better.

[partsbara]

if past experience is anything to go by i was expecting the title of the thread to be something like... 'vegetarian feast'

and within the thread BS coulda posted a piccie of some meat and had his little rant...

mmm, lets see... hates vegetables, loves meat.... is only 21 at the moment... check ya self BS, colon cancer may just have your number when you 'grow up' :)

lol@ vb.... love the one about the books ya filthy little apartheid supporting left wing extremist poofter basher

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by brock
Oh no! A big tough marine who likes to kill is calling me a sissy.


Oh wait he put a smilie on the end of it. That makes it all better.
may i suggest decaf? :rolleyes:

[ohio]

I'm all for SUSTAINABLE hunting. Where I come from, it's a nice supplement to everyone's food stores or income, and a form of recreation that encourages proper gun safety. I'd be willing to bet that most gun related accidents (especially involving children) happen in households that don't hunt, and thus have never learned to properly respect a fire-arm.

I find trophy hunting a little pathetic, but I'm sure some people sa the same thing about mountain biking. As long as it's sustainable, it's still fine with me.

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