Just got back from the LBS

[stosh]

Bought one of these

https://secure5.nexternal.com/icycles/images/foxpump.jpg
For $30's
(it's a fox shocks pump)

and I was looking at these
http://shop.airbomb.com/site/images/library/catalogs/soc/prodl/TR2580.jpg

[stosh]

any suggestions on the tires?

[Echo]

I've found the Hutchinson tubeless tires to have great traction but they wear very fast.

[stosh]

Originally posted by Echo
I've found the Hutchinson tubeless tires to have great traction but they wear very fast.

Yeah they seem to have low profile "nubs" and soft rubber.

[Westy]

Originally posted by stosh
any suggestions on the tires?

Good tires but they pack up in the mud. they are my dry season choice. When things are wet I use the Mosquitos

[stosh]

Originally posted by Westy
Good tires but they pack up in the mud. they are my dry season choice. When things are wet I use the Mosquitos

I'm not sure what exactly I'm looking to buy. I just kind of want a good all around tire.

[indieboy]

Originally posted by stosh
I'm not sure what exactly I'm looking to buy. I just kind of want a good all around tire.


just go for it

[Silver]

Originally posted by Echo
I've found the Hutchinson tubeless tires to have great traction but they wear very fast.

I'll second that. Great tires when they are new, but they wear out faster than a $5 pair of jeans.

[bURKeNSTiEN]

Pythons would have to be my all time favourite tire.
IMO, they're absolutely awesome for most conditions.
Quite light, roll very very fast at low pressure, have got mega climbing grip (for me anyway) and are very predictable at speed

They do pack up in mud, but most tires do to an extent. If you go faster, the mud flings off :)

[The Toninator]

man i got to go but let me just say, pythons suck...

[indieboy]

Originally posted by The Toninator
man i got to go but let me just say, pythons suck...

no body asked the peanut gallery a DAMn thing :D

[Rip]

Pythons Suck.

[stosh]

What a mix of opinions.

[Deyv]

I just love Panaracer fire xc pro and I always recommend them!

Your bike did not come with the pump? I thought that every fox shox equip bike came with it!

BTW :stosh: at what setting are you using your ava shox for the srping rate? (size of air chamber?)

[The Toninator]

Ok I’m back. I'm going in with Devy on this one for several reasons.
Panaracer fire XC pro's are the best all around tire i have ridden, and believe me I’m trying to find the best. They hook up well in ALL conditions and last forever.
Good - Awesome sidewall construction reduces pinch flats. Thick all around which reduces likely hood of punctures and pinch flats.
Knobs, Knobs and more Knobs. They hook up in corners on hard terrain, in sandy terrain and wet if you do it right. I could go on but I’m not going to. They’re cheap.
Bad (racer boi point of view) - Little on the heavy side. Rolling resistance is noticeable. That's about it. I cant think of any "normal" rider negatives.

Pythons:
Good - Fast, Low rolling resistance. Grippy in hard pack dirt and rocks. Light. Fairly cheap.
Bad - They get very loose in sandy conditions, wear easily and don’t handle wet/mud very well. Thin and pinch flat easy.

Summation:
Fire Xc pro's - Excellent all around tire.
Pythons - Excellent race day tires in the "right" conditions.

a little while later i'll do a write up for Maxxis Mimo's and TT's.
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[stosh]

Originally posted by The Toninator
Ok I’m back. I'm going in with Devy on this one for several reasons.
Panaracer fire XC pro's are the best all around tire i have ridden, and believe me I’m trying to find the best. They hook up well in ALL conditions and last forever.
Good - Awesome sidewall construction reduces pinch flats. Thick all around which reduces likely hood of punctures and pinch flats.
Knobs, Knobs and more Knobs. They hook up in corners on hard terrain, in sandy terrain and wet if you do it right. I could go on but I’m not going to. They’re cheap.
Bad (racer boi point of view) - Little on the heavy side. Rolling resistance is noticeable. That's about it. I cant think of any "normal" rider negatives.

Pythons:
Good - Fast, Low rolling resistance. Grippy in hard pack dirt and rocks. Light. Fairly cheap.
Bad - They get very loose in sandy conditions, wear easily and don’t handle wet/mud very well. Thin and pinch flat easy.

Summation:
Fire Xc pro's - Excellent all around tire.
Pythons - Excellent race day tires in the "right" conditions.

a little while later i'll do a write up for Maxxis Mimo's and TT's.
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I have the TT's and I don't like them I guess I'm going to go with the Fire XC pros. I had them on my last bike and liked them for all the reasons you just mentioned.

I'm just looking at everything thats out there though.

[The Toninator]

Originally posted by stosh
I have the TT's and I don't like them I guess I'm going to go with the Fire XC pros. I had them on my last bike and liked them for all the reasons you just mentioned.

I'm just looking at everything thats out there though.

tell me about the TT's, what dont you like?

[stosh]

Originally posted by The Toninator
tell me about the TT's, what dont you like?


Don't shed mud
No climbing traction
IMO they have the tread totally backwards at least on the back tire. I haven't had a chance to flip the rear tire and try it yet but the whole mud shed problem this time of year is making me think I should just get new tires.

They seem to corner well in hard pack, not that I have much of that around here.

[Rip]

Originally posted by stosh
Don't shed mud
No climbing traction
IMO they have the tread totally backwards at least on the back tire. I haven't had a chance to flip the rear tire and try it yet but the whole mud shed problem this time of year is making me think I should just get new tires.

They seem to corner well in hard pack, not that I have much of that around here.

Let me get this straight; you're riding a non mud tire as in the TT in mud? Bright, very Bright.


If you're going to be riding in mud, get a pair of Swampthings.
http://www.maxxis.com/bike/productDetail.asp?BrandID=35

[stosh]

Originally posted by Rip
Let me get this straight; you're riding a non mud tire as in the TT in mud? Bright, very Bright.


If you're going to be riding in mud, get a pair of Swampthings.
http://www.maxxis.com/bike/productDetail.asp?BrandID=35


They came on the bike.
I don't ride totally in mud. The problem with were I ride is there is a little bit of everything.

[Rip]

Originally posted by stosh
They came on the bike.
I don't ride totally in mud. The problem with were I ride is there is a little bit of everything.

The Ignitor is a good all around tire.

http://www.maxxis.com/bike/productDetail.asp?BrandID=215

[SuspectDevice]

Originally posted by The Toninator
[B]Ok I’m back. I'm going in with Devy on this one for several reasons.
Panaracer fire XC pro's are the best all around tire i have ridden, and believe me I’m trying to find the best. They hook up well in ALL conditions and last forever.
Good - Awesome sidewall construction reduces pinch flats. Thick all around which reduces likely hood of punctures and pinch flats.
Knobs, Knobs and more Knobs. They hook up in corners on hard terrain, in sandy terrain and wet if you do it right. I could go on but I’m not going to. They’re cheap.
Bad (racer boi point of view) - Little on the heavy side. Rolling resistance is noticeable. That's about it. I cant think of any "normal" rider negatives.

Pythons:
Good - Fast, Low rolling resistance. Grippy in hard pack dirt and rocks. Light. Fairly cheap.
Bad - They get very loose in sandy conditions, wear easily and don’t handle wet/mud very well. Thin and pinch flat easy.

Summation:
Fire Xc pro's - Excellent all around tire.
Pythons - Excellent race day tires in the "right" conditions.

a little while later i'll do a write up for Maxxis Mimo's and TT's.




man you are thick headed. if we are talikng XC tires light and low rolling resistance are the most important characteristics to consider.

I have been running the SAME pair of pythons since october 1999 at pressure varying from 19-28 psi (low enough to bottom out the tire on the rim) I have never had a single pinchflat with them. I race on them in every conditon immaginable excluding clay type mud. Pythons are the very best sand tire i have ever used, the combination of the supple, well constructed casing and high volume, in combination with the intelligent tread design yeilds a tire that is neutral in loose conditons with an extremley predictable and consistent breaking point.

When i was sponsored by Tioga i went through great lengths to disguise my tires.

it may just be that you need your fire xc tractor tires to make up for a lack of technical ability...:devil:

[stosh]

Originally posted by Rip
Let me get this straight; you're riding a non mud tire as in the TT in mud? Bright, very Bright.


If you're going to be riding in mud, get a pair of Swampthings.
http://www.maxxis.com/bike/productDetail.asp?BrandID=35


Yeah, thoes look good!

[stosh]

Originally posted by Capt. Burntout
man you are thick headed. if we are talikng XC tires light and low rolling resistance are the most important characteristics to consider.

I have been running the SAME pair of pythons since october 1999 at pressure varying from 19-28 psi (low enough to bottom out the tire on the rim) I have never had a single pinchflat with them. I race on them in every conditon immaginable excluding clay type mud. Pythons are the very best sand tire i have ever used, the combination of the supple, well constructed casing and high volume, in combination with the intelligent tread design yeilds a tire that is neutral in loose conditons with an extremley predictable and consistent breaking point.

When i was sponsored by Tioga i went through great lengths to disguise my tires.

it may just be that you need your fire xc tractor tires to make up for a lack of technical ability...:devil:



Yeah an compare the price of the Maxxis tires to the Pythons, I might try the Pythons.

I guess the thing I'm looking for the MOST is good rear tire traction in loose gravel.

[The Toninator]

Originally posted by stosh
Don't shed mud
No climbing traction
IMO they have the tread totally backwards at least on the back tire. I haven't had a chance to flip the rear tire and try it yet but the whole mud shed problem this time of year is making me think I should just get new tires.

They seem to corner well in hard pack, not that I have much of that around here.
stosh DONT flip them around you wont be able to stop. The ramp on the knobs is there to recude rolling resistance. if you climb seated or with your ass over the rear you should not have a problem climbing.
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[The Toninator]

Originally posted by Capt. Burntout
man you are thick headed bla bla bla....


that's all i have to say about that.

[SuspectDevice]

Originally posted by stosh
Yeah an compare the price of the Maxxis tires to the Pythons, I might try the Pythons.

I guess the thing I'm looking for the MOST is good rear tire traction in loose gravel.

try a yamaha 125 ttr, or alternatiely a mtb tire with large widely spaced paddle type nobs. Soemthing like a conti comp. pro 2, or velociraptor.

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by Capt. Burntout
man you are thick headed. if we are talikng XC tires light and low rolling resistance are the most important characteristics to consider.


Maybe if you are a speed conscious weight weenie racer, but the average recreational rider is less concerned with weight and mostly concerned with performance.

[SuspectDevice]

Originally posted by Yossarian
Maybe if you are a speed conscious weight weenie racer, but the average recreational rider is less concerned with weight and mostly concerned with performance.

last time i checked weight+rolling resistance+"traction"= performance.
So when it comes to climbing or riding on level ground, weight and rolling resistance would be of the utmost import.

An elementary physics textbook will tell you that a najority of your energy loss in cycling comes from fluid resistance, then rolling resistane and then negligible losses due to drivetrain friction.

Because of the slower and highly variable speeds of XC riding, the aerodynamic componet, while important, is of tertiary import to rolling resistance (weight is a factor of in the determination thereof) and weight.
Additonaly a high-volume low pressure tire will reduce mechanical losses in in power transmission by deforming more readily to the trail surface instead of bouncing off the ground. A tire, like the python which is designed to take that principle into mind can disaply both low rolling resisntance characteristics and use the increased "contact patch" of the tire as one big knob for excellant traction.

Lightweight and low rolling resistance should be important to all cyclists when choosing tyres.

[The Toninator]

Originally posted by Capt. Burntout
yada yada yada... "tyres."

now copy and paste something not from a Euro website :p

[mrbigisbudgood]

Originally posted by Capt. Burntout
Lightweight and low rolling resistance should be important to all cyclists when choosing tyres.

I just bought 1300g tires for my FR bike. Traction and pinch flat resistance were the most important factors when choosing tires. Lightweight and low rolling resistance??? I could care less.

Just because you think one tire is the best, doesn't necessarily mean they work for everyone.

Stosh, get a versatile tire with some nice knobs and generous spacing.

[Echo]

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
I just bought 1300g tires for my FR bike. Traction and pinch flat resistance were the most important factors when choosing tires. Lightweight and low rolling resistance??? I could care less.

Dude, come on. You know freeriders, BMX riders, and downhillers aren't really cyclists :rolleyes:

[The Toninator]

Originally posted by Echo
Dude, come on. You know freeriders, BMX riders, and downhillers aren't really cyclists :rolleyes:

woo i'm glad somebody else called him out on that it was bugging the **** out of me:)

[SuspectDevice]

Originally posted by Echo
Dude, come on. You know freeriders, BMX riders, and downhillers aren't really cyclists :rolleyes:

Even dh and bmx racers take weight in rolling resistance into account. Why do you think stans, semi slick tires and hookworms are blowing up all of a sudden? why do bmxers use 1.85 rear tires? Why does Taj ride a ti T1?

[Echo]

So let's sum up what's happened so far...

Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.

I think that about brings us up to the present :D

[The Toninator]

Originally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...

Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.

I think that about brings us up to the present :D

BURN!!!!!

[Deyv]

Originally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...

Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.

I think that about brings us up to the present :D

don't let the happy face avatar fool you, Echo is a killing machine:dead: :devil: watch out! hehe good one echo!

[stosh]

Originally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...

Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.

I think that about brings us up to the present :D


And to think I was just excited about getting some stuff at my LBS YESTERDAY.

[SuspectDevice]

Originally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...

Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.

I think that about brings us up to the present :D

1. i recommended velociraptors for deep gravel.
2. What makes something a "race tire"? pythons are light, durable, hook up extremly well and are extremelycheap.
3. Trials riders are the biggest weight weenies on earth.
4. i reccomended tires that work well for me.
5. when choosing betwen two objects of equal quality or design lighter is always better.

[mrbigisbudgood]

Echo - Tony, you guys are killing me. I'm trying to not laugh cause my boss is hovering in the cube next to me.

[The Toninator]

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
Echo - Tony, you guys are killing me. I'm trying to not laugh cause my boss is hovering in the cube next to me.

No panaracers for you free rider!

[mrbigisbudgood]

Originally posted by The Toninator
No panaracers for you free rider!

Hey, I ride XC too. On coil springs that is :D

[Rip]

I don't know why I'm posting in this forum I do not ride XC. But I do trail ride.

[Westy]

Stosh,

Don't listen to anyone. None of us ride the same trails or the same conditions you do, except maybe Ms. Gettorigged. What works well in Texas or Virginia might not work well in your neck of the woods on the trails you ride. The tires I liked when I lived in Cinncinnati suck here. Talk to people on the trails you ride or your LBS, they will know what works well where you live. If that does not work just put on a set of 3.0" Gazzalodis.

[mrbigisbudgood]

Originally posted by Westy
Stosh,

Don't listen to anyone. None of us ride the same trails or the same conditions you do, except maybe Ms. Gettorigged. What works well in Texas or Virginia might not work well in your neck of the woods on the trails you ride. The tires I liked when I lived in Cinncinnati suck here. Talk to people on the trails you ride or your LBS, they will know what works well where you live. If that does not work just put on a set of 3.0" Gazzalodis.

Are you hitting on Ghettorigged?

[stosh]

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
Are you hitting on Ghettorigged?


I think he is!!



(thanks Westy, good point)

[Echo]

Originally posted by Westy
Stosh,

Don't listen to anyone. None of us ride the same trails or the same conditions you do, except maybe Ms. Gettorigged. What works well in Texas or Virginia might not work well in your neck of the woods on the trails you ride. The tires I liked when I lived in Cinncinnati suck here. Talk to people on the trails you ride or your LBS, they will know what works well where you live. If that does not work just put on a set of 3.0" Gazzalodis.
You don't know what the hell you are talking about! My tires would work on the moon! :D

[Rip]

Originally posted by Westy
Stosh,

Don't listen to anyone. None of us ride the same trails or the same conditions you do, except maybe Ms. Gettorigged. What works well in Texas or Virginia might not work well in your neck of the woods on the trails you ride. The tires I liked when I lived in Cinncinnati suck here. Talk to people on the trails you ride or your LBS, they will know what works well where you live. If that does not work just put on a set of 3.0" Gazzalodis.

I'm in NH.

[Westy]

Originally posted by stosh
(thanks Westy, good point)

No problem, I think you will realy like the Gazzalodi's:D

[The Toninator]

Originally posted by Echo
You don't know what the hell you are talking about! My tires would work on the moon! :D

I turn all mine inside out.

[stosh]

Originally posted by The Toninator
I turn all mine inside out.


Is that so they last longer?

[indieboy]

damn i missed all of this!!! anyways the phytons are ****in great. why do you think so many pros are riding them now and why so many companies are copying the design or trying heavily to produce a tire w/ similar characteristics. yes, the phytons don't shed mud all THAT well but someone w/ decent handling skills should be able to hold them upright. hell i ride them in the mud a lot and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone here seems to think. ridden those tires in almost every condition possible around the country from race to race and they have always done well. Tony, if you were pinch flatting them you may have been running them a bit way to low OR were running the airlight verison which had a thinner casing on them. the regular verison had a more supple casing on them than the airlites did and were a little bit heavier but nothing to complain about. and as for wear, i don't know what the **** you guys are doin to your tires to make them wear out like that. i've been running the same set since august and i gurantee i ride a good bit more then most of you guys and they are still good to go, well the rear one is finally gone but that tire has many, many, many hours on the rollers to be the cause of that.......

[Westy]

Originally posted by indieboy
i don't know what the **** you guys are doin to your tires to make them wear out like that.

Not everyone is a IF riding skinny little punk, some people need a tire that can support more than a 115lb boy. Not to mention that some of us can actually put down some real power and need a tire that can handle it.:D:devil: :p

[indieboy]

Originally posted by Westy
Not everyone is a IF riding skinny little punk, some people need a tire that can support more than a 115lb boy. Not to mention that some of us can actually put down some real power and need a tire that can handle it.:D:devil: :p

i'm 150lbs thank you very much :D

[Westy]

Originally posted by indieboy
i'm 150lbs thank you very much :D

Fat ass!!:monkey: :cool:

[indieboy]

Originally posted by Westy
Fat ass!!

it's all muscle beesh, 6ft 150lbs isn't fat trick :D

[Westy]

Originally posted by indieboy
it's all muscle beesh, 6ft 150lbs isn't fat trick :D

150 @ 6ft?? Can't be too much muscle. Do your arms make whistling noises on road rides?

[indieboy]

Originally posted by Westy
150 @ 6ft?? Can't be too much muscle. Do your arms make whistling noises on road rides?

no but my ears do :D

[The Toninator]

Originally posted by indieboy
burrrrrrpppppppppp....

There’s like a lot of people who either don’t read very well or just aren’t comprehending what they read.

[Westy]

Originally posted by indieboy
no but my ears do :D

You need to go to college and party more. Beer muscles rule.

[The Toninator]

Originally posted by Westy
150 @ 6ft?? Can't be too much muscle. Do your arms make whistling noises on road rides?

ahghahahahah!!!

[indieboy]

Originally posted by Westy
You need to go to college and party more. Beer muscles rule.


you mean beer belly? yeah um if i end up like that then that's ****ed up. wouldn't want to be like anyone on this site that's for sure :D

[T0mo]

this is my favorite combo so far, I run a moto raptor 2.4 front and a kugo 2.35 back on my fr/dh/ds/trail/trials/urban/commuter bike

[The Toninator]

Originally posted by T0mo
this is my favorite combo so far, I run a moto raptor 2.4 front and a kugo 2.35 back on my fr/dh/ds/trail/trials/urban/commuter bike

Oh christ you couldnt be more off if you tried:p :p :p

[SuspectDevice]

Originally posted by indieboy
no but my ears do :D


oh god it's soo true they really do!

[Echo]

Originally posted by indieboy
and as for wear, i don't know what the **** you guys are doin to your tires to make them wear out like that.
I was talking about Hutchinson Scorpion UST's. I've heard other people say the same thing about the compound they use for their UST tires. I ran them for about 6 races and maybe 30 trail rides and they were shot. No road, all dirt. I go about 185. Argue all you want but that's how it went down... ;)

[indieboy]

Originally posted by Echo
I was talking about Hutchinson Scorpion UST's. I've heard other people say the same thing about the compound they use for their UST tires. I ran them for about 6 races and maybe 30 trail rides and they were shot. No road, all dirt. I go about 185. Argue all you want but that's how it went down... ;)

well anytime you throw a big knobbie tire w/ a decently soft compound of course they are gonna wear some what quickly DUH :D. yeah i've run throw a pair of scropions preeeeetty quickly but ti's all good b/c they are killer tires

[Echo]

Originally posted by indieboy
yeah i've run throw a pair of scropions preeeeetty quickly but ti's all good b/c they are killer tires
Yep I still run one on the front, definitely hooks up nice... went to a Maxxis Highroller on the rear. Nice balance as long as ya don't mind having diff brands of tire front and rear :D

[indieboy]

Originally posted by Echo
Yep I still run one on the front, definitely hooks up nice... went to a Maxxis Highroller on the rear. Nice balance as long as ya don't mind having diff brands of tire front and rear :D

that's gay.....lol jk i've heard pretty good things about the high rollers though.

[Drunken_Ninja]

Maxxis make the bestest tires.

I am still riding my Maxxis Mofo XC tires and I love them. They are good all around for non-racing fun. They corner so sweetly.

Been thinking of changing them off in the hardpack dry season but they are ok then too. They have such a low rolling resistance that they don't really bother me.

I think I will try some different maxxis tires eventually when these wear out but they are lasting forever.

word to the wise with your tires: check the tire weight before you buy them.

[Babar]

Kenda Kozmik Light ! 345 g 1.9
Fast ! and light (thats all i care, my favourite)...

For just riding panaracer fire xc or you could go with hutchy scorpions 2.0's. I cant tell much difference between those 2.