Pot

[SHWA]

Well beer has tons of threads, and now cigars have there own thread, so what the hell. How many of you guys smoke pot? Whats your prefered method of smoking? (blun,t joint, bong.. ect)
Also anyone know any good recipes with pot?

[ChrisNJ]

i used to smoke a lot...but havent now in over a year. Id say my favorite method was blunts, than bongs. and the only recipe i can think of are brownies, but im pretty sure everyone knows that.

[Sideways]

Being a dirty hippy (j/k), I eat a lot of hemp seed containing foods.
(Omega-3 fatty acids, dude!....actually the perfect fuel for cyclists)

I've only had one experiance eating pot...had an 1/8 straight out of the bag. It hit me so hard that I never wanted to try eating it again.

[SHWA]

Wow eating it straight mustve been pretty nasty. It seems as if alot of mountain bikers smoke pot, especially ones the ride at plattekill. Not once have i been there without seeing atleast 1 person smoking pot in the parking lot or on the lift

[SwisSlesS]

I smoke chronic. Not that often though, maybe a few times a month. My preferred method is definitely a bong. I don't get high very easily, so I need to smoke a lot if I want to get high from other methods. But bongs get the job done quickly. Hookas can be fun too :D.

*packs a bowl*

[builder666]

Vriptech.com it's the only way. Norcal's best dozia.

[Sideways]

Originally posted by SHWA
Wow eating it straight mustve been pretty nasty. It seems as if alot of mountain bikers smoke pot, especially ones the ride at plattekill. Not once have i been there without seeing atleast 1 person smoking pot in the parking lot or on the lift

I don't care what the square's on this board have to say about the matter.
Mountain bikeing is and has always been a pot-head sport.
Anyone saying otherwise knows absolutely nothing about the riding scene. Sorry y'all.

Oh yeah, eating it raw was nasty: never again.
I prefer a glass bowl.

BTW: Risse Racing makes some steller bar end plugs.:evil:

[Echo]

Personally I can't ride as well when I'm baked, so I don't do it anymore. I've spent quite a bit of time high in my life but not in the past year or so, job situation's just too sketchy now. I think they should just legalize the stuff, everyone who wants to smoke it does. National debt problem solved, jail crowding problem solved, tainted drugs problem solved...

[mrbigisbudgood]

I get stoned maybe 4 times a year. I just don't have the time to sit around and get stupid anymore. If it were legal, I'd probably do it more often.

However, I followed the Dead, so we got stoned once a year........:p.........we just stayed that way all year.

My buddy in San Diego makes some killer brownies from scratch, I'll see if I can get the recipe from him. Those have a cycle that goes as follows......eat brownie, get stoned, get muchnies, eat brownie, get stoned, get munchies, eat brownie.......

[SHWA]

Originally posted by Echo
Personally I can't ride as well when I'm baked, so I don't do it anymore. I've spent quite a bit of time high in my life but not in the past year or so, job situation's just too sketchy now. I think they should just legalize the stuff, everyone who wants to smoke it does. National debt problem solved, jail crowding problem solved, tainted drugs problem solved...


Yeah ive never even tried riding stoned, i think id just crash and die, unlike many people im not close to as coordinated when high.

[Tenchiro]

Oh man... What was the question?

[Rip]

Never touched the stuff.

[zibbler]

Hhaha. When me an hubby were engaged, we went to visit his mom (who at the time smoked weed and grew her own), and she had a bunch of seeds and stems saved up that she ground up and put into some couscous, which we ate. Man, I have never been so stoned in my life! Me and hubby were arguing over who was going to drive home cuz we were both so stoned. :dead: Don't mess with the stuff anymore, but if it was legal.... who knows. Maybe, maybe not.

[Brian HCM#1]

This is kind of the wrong place for this topic.

[Sideways]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
This is kind of the wrong place for this topic.

And this is the right place for a thread titled "cigars", in which you were the third to post?

What exactly makes this the wrong place?
Where would you suggest? 24hr racing?
Pot smoking and mountain biking go hand in hand.
A forum titled "beer and food"on a mountian biking message board seems to be a great place for this topic.

:rolleyes:

[Westy]

I am not an avid pot advocate, but I will say this. From my experience pot should have more of a place here than beer or tobacco. I am not against beer either, drinking one now.

I have known several people who have died as the result of drinking. My mother is currently fighting lung cancer even though she quit smoking years ago. It just pisses me off when people diss pot but support things that are worse, like alcahol. People need to stop listening to Nancy Reagan and start thinking for themselves.

This is starting to look more like a political forum thread though.:rolleyes:

[neversummersnow]

Disagree...pot and mountain biking do NOT go hand in hand...stop living in the past.

I am not against it, I just dont think its fair to make stereotypes like that. I highly doubt you'll see Roland Green getting high before the next XC race or Chris Kovarik smoking on the chairlift. If you want to smoke lots of weed and ride I really think your just giving an advantage to the rest of us though...as robin williams says, its definitly NOT a performance enhancing drug.

[builder666]

Originally posted by Sideways
And this is the right place for a thread titled "cigars", in which you were the third to post?

What exactly makes this the wrong place?
Where would you suggest? 24hr racing?
Pot smoking and mountain biking go hand in hand.
A forum titled "beer and food"on a mountian biking message board seems to be a great place for this topic.

:rolleyes:

Amen Brother!

Remember, weed wasn't always illegal, and acohol used to be. If you don't burn cool, but don't tell me there is a difference.

melt a cube of butter on low w/ about an 1/8 for about 30 minutes, strain, and chill for whatever baking you choose. I like chocolate chip cookies.

www.vriptech.com another healthy way to burn (steam) trees.:D

[scofflaw23]

man, that vriptech shiot is real expensive. i prefer the glass bowl at the moment, though never smoke and ride, that would be sudden death, i think. though lots of couriers in boston work while stoned, how the hell would you be able to manage that?
i really want a bong though, i don't smoke anything enough to really get used to it, bongs are just so much smoother.

ben.

[builder666]

Check out the Vaporbat it's not exspensive, but what do I know I'm a health conscious stoner. :evil:

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by Rip
Never touched the stuff.

:thumb: :stupid:

[SHWA]

If people can talk about smoking cigars, I dont see whats wrong with talking about smoking pot but thats just my oppinion.

In response to neversummersnow, your right in that cross country mountain biking and smoking pot do not go hand in hand... or atleast not as much as freeride and downhill.

I dont get why people think pot is so much worse for you than tobbacco or alcohol. Sure its not good for your lungs, but if you smoke in moderation its not that bad. They love airing commercials saying that one joint has as much tar as four ciggeretes, but they dont give you the whole truth. Ciggeretes have so many more harmful additeves in them.... and even if pot does have more tar, people who smoke ciggeretes smoke so many more ciggerets than people do pot.

[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by Sideways
And this is the right place for a thread titled "cigars", in which you were the third to post?

What exactly makes this the wrong place?
Where would you suggest? 24hr racing?
Pot smoking and mountain biking go hand in hand.
A forum titled "beer and food"on a mountian biking message board seems to be a great place for this topic.

:rolleyes: Pot is a drug and is illegal in this country, thats why I say its not the right place. Last I looked cigars were still legal to buy. Or just rephrase it................What do you LIKE to eat when your stoned?

[Sideways]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
Pot is a drug and is illegal in this country, thats why I say its not the right place. Last I looked cigars were still legal to buy. Or just rephrase it................What do you LIKE to eat when your stoned?

Don't worry dude, nobody here plans to use the ridemonkey as a distribution channel for marijuana.
It's still 100% A-O-K to talk about using illigal drugs.

Has anyone here cooked with Hemp oil?
Seems like a logical cooking oil for us athletic types.

[Drunken_Ninja]

I am not sure that there are many professions out there that enable a person to get high and work daily. Bicycle courier work would be one of them. I never smoked pot at all when I was riding courier.

As for getting high and cycling? Part of getting high is the escape. Same for mountain biking. With all of those endorphins going it is easy to confuse the desire to cycle and the need to get high.

I ride straight edge mostly, however some of my past best bicycle rides involved meeting people on the trail who brought a little somethin..

I hope they decriminalize pot in canada for a couple of reasons. First so that those damn people I went to high school with have to open a legitimate place of business to sell the stuff instead of living like hippies. They either deserve the respect they earn for their persistance or the rest of us deserve that they pay income taxes instead of just living in the country off of the rest of us. These people have no right to claim that they are not a part of society and therefore do not deserve to have to pay taxes.

The other reason that pot should be decriminalized?

The bottom line? The first country in North America to decriminalize will become incredibly wealthy as a result and will set a new precedent. It isn't right that a fella should have to serve time for smoking a plant. I see how obnoxious ciggarette smoke is and I can't stand going to the local bars often because of it. If there was weed smoke in the air it wouldn't be quite so bad. Pot would take the focus off of alcohol which can be very destructive.

I am always angry to think of the millions of taxdollars that go to putting a roof over the head of some potsmoker that got 'caught'. My taxdollar put the same drughead in drug wonderland prison-network where that guy gets fed housed and high while not having to do a thing. Even the welfare system here isn't that good!

Sex, Pot, Music, Bicycles & computers are a lifestyle choice that a person makes. I am sure that there is nothing wrong with this decision. By comparison to the harder drugs out there I should say that some have dodged a serious bullet by averting the 'sexual drugs' and f'd up cocaine crack and heroin addictions.

What if someone hadn't said that you do not need anything more than shrooms pot and beer? The explanation that the others just do the same thing while disturbing the chemical balance in their brain because of hard drugs and are 100 times more at risk when it comes to becoming clinically insane.

In regards to mixing drugs and professional jobs? This is what triggers the most debate. Firstly one questions moderation around pot because there are so many people who smoke it daily for years on years. My understanding is that one must learn their occupation in sobriety or become browbeaten and weened out from the rest. Secondly once one understands their chosen career or occupation there is little to look forward to in the workplace besides a tougher workload and alot of repetition.

Not all careers are rewarding enough that people would want to give up marijuana smoking in exchange for a larger paycheck. At some point attention to detail and work ethics become more important that the ability to light up a green smoke on the weekend. Family is supposed to be the reward, seeing our children grow and our love for one another is all we need in fact not pot.

I don't believe it. I could become domesticated...but I'd rather not. Being alone is hard on people, it could be a drive. It could be a codependancy we experience as humans. Pot could be just replacing the codependancy of a sexual relationship. I don't think that people are forced to chose between sex and pot.

You only live once right? I have heard people use this excuse to do many stupid things. One should be able to live and experience the best that the world has to offer. Sometimes numbing the effects of how tedious real life can be is the only pro life answer.

The 'i don't care what other people think' factor is so huge that no one is going to stop altogether. Few may (rarely) because of priorities and obligations and a rewarding career. It depends on the journey that the experience called 'life' takes you on. sometimes.

My college professors unilaterally said the same thing that I tend to agree with. You can do whatever you want in life and turn away from it. No one needs to know about it. Also it was added that in the case of marijuana no one like to talk about it because it is illegal and all great and such. Eventually for those who persist in their education they will find that their career will become so rewarding that one loses time for those other things and even family.

[Jetski]

I would much rather be around a bunch of pot smoking hippies that just "sit around in trees" than a bunch of beer drinkin hicks that just end up getting in fights, then go get in there car and run over a family of 4 (I realize that there are responsible drinkers). I just want someone to give me one good reason why alchohol should be legal and marijuana should be illegal. Just one!!!

[EBasil]

Originally posted by Sideways
Mountain bikeing is and has always been a pot-head sport.
Anyone saying otherwise knows absolutely nothing about the riding scene. Sorry y'all.


Stoner logic , and rebellious sounding, but not more than wishful thinking. It's cool, bro: if that's your bag and it makes your ride better, then Hakuna Matata and all that. A friend with weed is a friend indeed.

Just don't keep thinking that the rest of us (the squares, man) either share your exuberant belief in the magical qualities pot brings to everything or fail to see how freakin' stupid claims like that are. Trust me, the part of your brain that would have been able to convince we squares otherwise has been paralyzed by the secret Paraquat enzymes the CIA put in all the marijuana genomes in the 1970's.

Relax. Float downstream.

:monkey:

[SwisSlesS]

Originally posted by Jetski
I would much rather be around a bunch of pot smoking hippies that just "sit around in trees" than a bunch of beer drinkin hicks that just end up getting in fights, then go get in there car and run over a family of 4 (I realize that there are responsible drinkers). I just want someone to give me one good reason why alchohol should be legal and marijuana should be illegal. Just one!!!
You're absolutely right. No one can.

[Tenchiro]

Originally posted by swiss_less
You're absolutely right. No one can.

patchouli smells like ass. :monkey:

[EBasil]

Originally posted by Jetski
I just want someone to give me one good reason why alchohol should be legal and marijuana should be illegal. Just one!!!

(sure we can, Tenchiro, but "good" may be subjective.)

Reason 1: Because BEER has alcohol in it.

Bonus Reasons
--...because the Rosetta Stone contains an ale recipe, but nothing about devil-weed.
--...because Jesus drank beer ("wine" is thought to be a European "insert" to many of the parables, where beer would have been more likely) but swore off the loco weed.
--...because alcohol cleans wounds.
--...because Rooster Cogburn liked it.
--...because beer is the oldest prepared beverage in the history of mankind.
--...because those in power like alcohol and the devil-weed has robbed all the motivatiuon that even the most energetic members of NORML needed to get anything done in 30 years of trying...proving the point, really!

:monkey:

[TN]

If you wanna smoke & can get it, fine...If you dont like it & dont want to, then don't.

But if you do, don't be an idiot & ruin it for the rest of us.


As for recipes, try some green rice krispy treats.

My old roomate & I put a 1/4 oz. (that was run through a coffee grinder) in with some butter, melted it, then added marshmalows & melted it then added Rice Kripsies (Snap! Crackle! Pop!) until it was the consistency we wanted. We split the green hunk after it cooled & I was gone, it was very heady & narcotic. I even laughed outloud to myself for no apparent reason ( i haven't done that since high school). And it was just some schwiggy.

Give it some time to kick in, then it will kick your ass.

I still prefer J's over anything else. But I moslty use one of my glass pieces.

And as for working & chiefing.....If you smoke regularly (once every 1 or 2 days) pot has a total different effect on you...compared to if you occasionaly smoke. So a regular smoker mostly has an easier time handling everyday tasks (at work or not). I used to drive a forklift ( I was an OSHA nightmare :evil: ) & often we would hit a bowl before work & I had a very clean record, no damage to inventory, the building, the lift, co-workers, etc... It just made the monotanus (sp?) work a little more easy to deal with.

And as for the pot vs. alcohol debate....who cares.....my first love was beer then pot.....now it is both.

As for riding & smoking I love it both ways. It is 2 totally different experiences.

[streetweapon_dh]

I blazed a few in my day. Now about 4 times a year, maybe.

I've never ridden and smoked, don't think i could either. However, I do think it wiould be nice to finish a massive reclusive uphill with a big fat L. Then relax for a while at the top and enjoy the scenery. Descend when the buzz starts wearing off. Then drink 24 beers each upon return to the trailhead. :devil: :D

[Drunken_Ninja]

There were a few issues that need clarification.


Beer and Pot are made from almost the same damn plant. The alcoholic qualites in beer happen to be from the hopps. The barley water and yeast are important but don't give the kick. Hopps is geonetically a derivitave of marijuana, a hybrid form of the plant. Hopps is very wild and has very wild effects some of which have not been discovered. Do not try eating this plant directly or you will get high. The effects are uniquely close between the two plants. My local brewery announced that the hopps could be replaced with something more lively if the right circumstances were available...if marijuana were legal it would be considered.


Next issue that I have to bring up are the actual side effects of pot. People often curse at this drug. Not many have been able to isolate the reasons. Pot often induces these effects on people, sometimes in a very scuttle manner and sometimes directly. Pot is not a physically addictive drug however it is mentally addictive.

Even one or two of these symptoms may be prevalent however all may be present by varying degrees: paranoia, short term memory loss, long term memory loss, motivational loss, co-dependency, the need to share things with others, loss of self esteem, speech and vocabulary loss or slurring and impairment of thought or reasoning (delusions) and lastly (ADD) Attention Deficit Disorder. These effects can be temporary as the effects of thc are known to be processed by the fatty tissues of the brain in approximately 3 months after use. People with added body fat can have a re-occurence upon extreme weight loss when these brain 'fats' are forced to break down rather suddenly. The effects of marijuana could be felt a second time without warning.

Mental delusions are also known to occur with mixing marijuana with other hard drugs. Marijuana has been known to retrigger the effects of lsd up to three months after lsd was originally ingested often causing flashbacks.


Driving High. This is my last subject of interest, something that has caught my attention in the news lately. Driving high is just as dangerous as drinking and driving. There are currently new tests being done in Ontario to test drivers for driving intoxicated from pot. Currently the best methods involve blood sampling and labratory tests though the media has hinted that money and research are being done that would indicate the effective level of thc in the blood stream in a similar test to the breathalizer. Instantaneous test results so that law enforcement officials may ensure that the roads are safe for everyone. Upon successful completion of these tests these new methods will be put into place in advance of the official decriminalization of marijuana so that people can be tested while driving on their way home from the bars. Decriminalization of pot is currently being delayed due to the ability to develop reasonable driver testing is still in progress. The canadian government will not allow blood sampling due to privacy invasion, a fundamental infringement of human rights.


One added note:
Birth defects are possible causing permanent mental retardation to the infant if consumed by the childbearer during pregnancy.

[Jetski]

Reason 1: Because BEER has alcohol in it.

"good" is definetely a subjective word. How about valid.

No, really, just one REAL good (valid) reason. Oh, wait, I got it.....because there are too many ignorant people in this world.

[EBasil]

Originally posted by Drunken_Ninja
I know that my previous post involves alot of ramblings. My studies on the pot subject have been very intense as I have searched for reasons to justify its use and reasons to justify not using it.

There were a few issues that need clarification.

Beer and Pot are made from almost the same damn plant. The alcoholic qualites in beer happen to be from the hopps. The barley water and yeast are important but don't give the kick.

Hopps is geonetically a derivitave of marijuana, a hybrid form of the plant. Hopps is very wild and has very wild effects some of which have not been discovered. Do not try eating this plant directly or you will get high. The effects are uniquely close between the two plants.

My local brewery announced that the hopps could be replaced with something more lively if the right circumstances were available...if marijuana were legal it would be considered.

No, no and no. Here are some freebies:

--The alcohol in beer comes from the yeast fermentation of sugars in the water, and the sugars come from the malt. Hops are a flavoring, only, and beer was made for thousands of years without it before it became popular. Hops does not make alcohol, absent some perverse circumstances.

--"Hops" and "hophead" are old slang terms for stoners and other such consumers of the devil weed, but the Hops used in beer are less related to Marijuana than even hemp is, and most notably, have ZERO Tetrahydrocannabinol ("THC"), which is the magic in your bowl. Eat all the Hops you like, and although you will get the runs, you won't get high. Hops also cost about the same as dope, FYI.

--Hemp and Pot ales are nothing new, but pot does not have either the aromatic or bittering oils that have been bred into hops, and you would not like the resulting product, unless it also contained regular hops, as all popular Stoner Beers do. Remember that hops is a flavoring agent, and that pot has a different flavor. The two are not interchangeable in the production of beer, although there's nothing to stop you from getting a homebrew kit and doing it anyway. One thing for sure, if you get cotton-mouth, relief is just a sip away.

:monkey:

[Drunken_Ninja]

Originally posted by EBasil
No, no and no. Here are some freebies:

--The alcohol in beer comes from the yeast fermentation of sugars in the water, and the sugars come from the malt. Hops are a flavoring, only, and beer was made for thousands of years without it before it became popular. Hops does not make alcohol, absent some perverse circumstances.

--"Hops" and "hophead" are old slang terms for stoners and other such consumers of the devil weed, but the Hops used in beer are less related to Marijuana than even hemp is, and most notably, have ZERO Tetrahydrocannabinol ("THC"), which is the magic in your bowl. Eat all the Hops you like, and although you will get the runs, you won't get high. Hops also cost about the same as dope, FYI.

--Hemp and Pot ales are nothing new, but pot does not have either the aromatic or bittering oils that have been bred into hops, and you would not like the resulting product, unless it also contained regular hops, as all popular Stoner Beers do. Remember that hops is a flavoring agent, and that pot has a different flavor. The two are not interchangeable in the production of beer, although there's nothing to stop you from getting a homebrew kit and doing it anyway. One thing for sure, if you get cotton-mouth, relief is just a sip away.

:monkey:

i recognize that the brewery tour may have been 90% sales pitch and false advertising. They did not make malt however. The barley was ground up to produce sugars (wort) which was then sent to the water and and mixed. It did not have any alcoholic qualities at this stage. I had been told by the pilsener brewery that it was the hopps that added alot of texture and flavor to the beer and the wild qualities. The alcoholic qualities take time to ferment of course with the yeast and water added. I do admit that I have absolutely no education background to validate their argument. They did mention that hopps were their first choice though it was important to note that pot and hopps were just generations apart as a plant.

Someone had asked the question on the tour regarding replacing hopps with weed. If it works they would consider it under legal cirumstances. I do not have any further background information on the subject.

[TN]

Even one or two of these symptoms may be prevalent however all may be present by varying degrees: the need to share things with others,

OH NO!
NOT SHARING!!

:p

[EBasil]

Originally posted by Drunken_Ninja
The barley was ground up to produce sugars (wort) which was then sent to the water and and mixed.

DJ, it was malted barley. My bad in just calling it the slang, "malt". It's the malting process (think moistened toasting) that creates the sugars in the barley. The cracked (hopefully not crushed) malted barley is added into water, hops, etc... to make a soup that's called the "wort" (say, "wert"). When you add the yeast, things start to happen, primarily the production of alcohol and CO-2. Magic!

Surf the 'net on homebrewing basics and, in an hour, you'll know more than the tour guides at large breweries. :monkey:

[Mecannoman]

I haven't seen a flapjack recipe yet. Make a pancake batter, add the jolly greens, and cook as normal! This provides a great body stone, and satisfies the sweet cravings!:cool:

I stopped using that stuff years ago. Sure fun while it lasted, though.

[laura]

i didnt read all of the posts because it sort of got off topic for a while but my favorite is rice crispy treats. all you need is mallows, rice crispies, the goods, and a coffee grinder and you are in business.

[Mtbkngrl]

Did it cross anyone's mind that this thread might be inappropriate soley because young kid's are members of Ridemonkey as well?

:confused: :angry:

[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by Mtbkngrl
Did it cross anyone's mind that this thread might be inappropriate soley because young kid's are members of Ridemonkey as well?

:confused: :angry: Exacatly:(

[mrbigisbudgood]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
Exacatly:(

But feel free to talk about beer and cigars all you like. :rolleyes:

[Ranger]

Servus!

Text by my friend Peter Barclay. He did the research and webbed it - I am shamelessly reproducing it here without his expressed permission.




Hops were first used in beer in Asia 10,000 years ago

It appears that hops were used in Babylon before 200 AD. Hops Latin name appears in records of Jews’ captivity in Babylon. They mention sicera (strong drink) ex luplis confectam (made from hops).

Hops spread into Europe from Asia through Eastern Europe. The most consistent fact about the spread of hops is that in almost every country, the use of hops was resisted.

Hops are a distant relative of stinging nettle and cannabis. This is a major reason for the relaxing effect of hops. They have been used for insomnia since their earliest mention in literature.

Pliny (61-113 AD) discusses hops in his study of natural history. To the Romans, it was Lupus Salictartius, from the way they originally grew. As the ancients said, hops grew "wild among willows, like a wolf among sheep," hence the name Humulus Lupulus.

The hop has its place in folklore. Along with the animals who are supposed to receive the gift of speech late on Christmas Eve, the hop is supposed to turn green in the same night.
The first mention of hops is in reference to a hop garden in the Hallertau district in 736 AD.

The first EUROPEAN mention of hops being added to beer was in 1079 by Abbess Hildegarde of St. Ruprechtsberg. "If one intends to make beer from oats, it is prepared with hops.

Brewing was traditionally a monastic task, and much mention is made of hops gardens in monasteries.

In Germany which was the center from which hops conquered all Europe, it was not until the 13th century that the traditional flavoring of gruit was seriously threatened.

In some places, like Cologne, monopolistic rights were associated with gruit, generally the Church’s. The Archbishop of Cologne possessed the "Grutrecht" (gruit rights) and tried to suppress the use of hops, which of course the brewers saw as a commercial as well as technical advance.

While the composition of gruit was subject to local variations, it commonly contained bog myrtle, rosemary, yarrow, alecost, and many others. The herbs were not chosen only for their flavor, but for their reputed medicinal properties as well.

The hopped beer of the Middle Ages was extremely heavily hopped. 7 lb. to the hogshead, or 5 lb. to the barrel were not uncommon.

Records reflect the use of hops in beer in France in 1268 during the reign of Louis IX. the law stated that beer should only contain good malt and hops.

In Holland, by the 14th century, the Netherlanders had already developed a taste for Hamburg beer, which was hopped beer, in contrast to the normal Dutch beer, which was still based on gruit.

The Dutch nobility tried to exclude foreign beers by prohibition and high import duties, but the reputation of Hamburg beer as so great, that it all came to naught. In 1376 there were no less than 126 ‘braxatores de Almsetlredamme’ (Amsterdam breweries).

The Dutch were apt pupils and by 1517, Antonio de Beatis stated the "the beer in these regions is better than in Germany and brewed in larger quantity."

The English developed a taste for hopped Dutch beer while soldiering in the Low Countries. Hopped beer, or beer (as opposed to ale) was imported into Winchelsea as early as 1400, with the first hops being planted in England in 1428.

In 1524, hops were condemned as an adulteration by Henry VIII, and an injunction against their use was issued. However, in 1536, Edward VI (Henry’s successor) commended hopped beer as "notable, healthy, and temperate."

The Brewer’s Company, formed in 1437 and made up of ale brewers, concerned about the spread of beer petitioned the Lord Mayor of London in 1484 that "no hops, herbs, or other like thing be put into any ale or liquore wherof ale shall be made--but only liquor, malt, and yeast." This was intended to keep clear the demarcation between ale and beer.

In 1493, the beer brewers themselves became a definite craft (guild) and ale and beer were to remain quite distance for over 100 years.

Although unhopped ale had ceased to be brewed in England by the sixteenth century, it could still be found in Scotland. We read of Jerome Cardan, a French physician, who traveled to Scotland in 1552. He frequently mentions food and approves of Scotch ale and says that it "it differs from beer in the omission of hops."


ADVANTAGES OF HOPPED BEER

Beer was the one drink that had been sterilized and was safe to drink.

Prior to hops, the stronger (more alcoholic) beer was, the longer it kept. The addition of hops is a preservative, thus allowing beer to be weaker and still keep longer.

Hops allowed you to produce more beer from the same amount of malt. Reynold Scot, in A Perfite Platforme for a Hoppe Garden, states "whereas you cannot make above 8-9 gallons of a very indifferent ale from a bushel of malt, you may draw 18-20 gallons of very good beer."

Hops also aid in clarification as well as head retention.

[TN]

Originally posted by Mtbkngrl
Did it cross anyone's mind that this thread might be inappropriate soley because young kid's are members of Ridemonkey as well?

:confused: :angry:

They are all pot heads.
:p
j/k
The info in this thread is very tame to what a kid who wanted to know more could find on other websites like, stoned.org, high times, etc...

[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
But feel free to talk about beer and cigars all you like. :rolleyes: I can legally walk into ANY store to purchase them, last I remember with pot you can't. If you can show me a store in the USA where they sell it legally, I will appolgize.

[mrbigisbudgood]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
I can legally walk into ANY store to purchase them, last I remember with pot you can't. If you can show me a store in the USA where they sell it legally, I will appolgize.

Those under the age of 21 and 18, respectively, cannot walk into any store and make a legal purchase.........but it's cool if we glamorize beer and cigars to them right?

[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
Those under the age of 21 and 18, respectively, cannot walk into any store and make a legal purchase.........but it's cool if we glamorize beer and cigars to them right? I said "I". This is a BEER & FOOD FORUM, not an illegal drug fourm.

[mrbigisbudgood]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
I said "I". This is a BEER & FOOD FORUM, not an illegal drug fourm.

http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/weed1.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/bong.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/Smoker.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/mushsmile.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/hippy.gif

[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/weed1.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/bong.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/Smoker.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/mushsmile.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/hippy.gif LOL

[laura]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
I said "I". This is a BEER & FOOD FORUM, not an illegal drug fourm.


i say moderate away if you feel the thread is inapropriate. i for one had no intention of stepping on anyones toes.

[mrbigisbudgood]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
LOL

Had to throw in the hippie for ya, cause we all know you love hippies.

[TN]

what was i fixing to say?


:monkey:

[Jetski]

Ok, marijuana is illegal. I would always encourage kids to stay away from anything that is illegal. That being said, no one has ever chimed in and given me a valid reason why alchohol is legal and marijuana isn't. They say that pot leads to harder drugs. The same could be said about alchohol, no?

[TN]

Originally posted by Jetski
Ok, marijuana is illegal. I would always encourage kids to stay away from anything that is illegal. That being said, no one has ever chimed in and given me a valid reason why alchohol is legal and marijuana isn't. They say that pot leads to harder drugs. The same could be said about alchohol, no?


uh-oh.
here we go....
:rolleyes:

[laura]

Originally posted by Jetski
Ok, marijuana is illegal. I would always encourage kids to stay away from anything that is illegal. That being said, no one has ever chimed in and given me a valid reason why alchohol is legal and marijuana isn't. They say that pot leads to harder drugs. The same could be said about alchohol, no?


you should do a search of the political debate forum. this argument is never ending.

[LoboDelFuego]

I think it's funny that you are concerned that kids might find this thread and be convinced to participate in illegal actvities when the thread starter is a 16-year old. I know because I go to school and ride with him.

[mrbigisbudgood]

Originally posted by LoboDelFuego
I think it's funny that you are concerned that kids might find this thread and be convinced to participate in illegal actvities when the thread starter is a 16-year old. I know because I go to school and ride with him.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[llkoolkeg]

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/weed1.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/bong.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/Smoker.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/mushsmile.gif http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/hippy.gif


Suffice it to say that cannabis will not be decriminalized much less legalized any time in the near future. Too bad, really. Now that I'm married, have a kid and a career, I cannot do such anymore. The only times I get to partake now are "with a little help from my friends". Good thing I made a few along the way!

My relationship with the plant has almost come full circle. I started off just drinking and and fearing the sweetleaf. Then after a keg party I threw in sophmore year of high school, I ended up trying it with some friends that smoked. I started only getting high with friends that "had" because I lacked the money, incentive and contacts to purchase it. By freshman year of college, I smoked regularly and sold it to my fraternity brothers to support my own usage. After sophmore year of college, I made the pilgimage to Amsterdam and arranged for the import of many legendary strains(SK1, NL2, NL5, AF1, Jamaican Sativa, Haze, Hindu Kush, Bubbleberry, Big Bud, Hash Plant, White Widow, Hawaiian Indica, Cali Orange, etc.). I smoked on a daily basis by now and experimented with consuming it in any way imaginable.

During college and shortly afterwards, I made several more trips to Holland, Germany, and British Columbia to arrange the shipment of more primo genetics(Jack Herer, Ice Crystal, White Rhino, Shiva Shanti, UBC Chemo, Cotton Candy, Romulan, Hawaiian Sativa, Shiskaberry, etc.), which I grew, crossed, back-crossed and otherwise produced both hydroponically and organically, indoors and out. I continued growing and smoking the plant regularly until I met my wife. She didn't tell me to quit or anything, but I couldn't risk getting her into trouble and didn't want my daughter exposed to such things...so I up and quit. I sold all my growing supplies to a guy I met in college who was similarly inclined and haven't looked back since. Well, I guess I do miss the beauty of the growing plant a bit and wish it wasn't illegal, because it's such a fun thing to do even if you don't smoke it. You develop a kind of spritual relationship with cannabis that just smoking it simply cannot provide. Anyhow, now I'm back to smoking only on rare occasions and make sure to never possess any. I'll probably stop altogether one of these days, especially as my daughter gets older. If you see me out on the trails, though, feel free to burn it up in front of me. I'll probably even partake if you pass it my way, but not before looking twice over each shoulder first. ;) :sneaky: :evil:

[sub6]

WTF??????:confused:

It's okay for us to glamorize beer in full view of 16 year olds, but not weed?

What's the difference? They're both illegal as far as the impressionable youth are concerned.

And I'd guess drunk driving accounts for more death and destruction than stoned driving, just a guess though.:rolleyes:

[Jetski]

you should do a search of the political debate forum. this argument is never ending.

I don't think I started the debate in this thread, and the ones in the political forum are a little older, thats no fun.

If you believe that you should not put foreign substances into your body, and you do not drink, etc, etc, then I understand how you would feel adversely towards not only pot, but anything else that affects your mind. If you respect your right to consume alchohol, and think that marijuana is some kind of devil drug, you should really open up your mind. Do you not think that if marijuana was legal, that consumption could take place responsibly just as you are given the right to consume alchohol responsibly? Is there not irresponsible consumption of alchohol? Please, someone enlighten me.

[ATXjimATX]

Alcohol and weed are both detrimental in their own ways. Both can mess your life up. Not saying they will; but they can.
Here's an idea
try Finding a way to live your life so that you don't have to get high or drunk to enjoy it.....
just an idea....

[LoboDelFuego]

Originally posted by llkoolkeg


many legendary strains(SK1, NL2, NL5, AF1, Jamaican Sativa, Haze, Hindu Kush, Bubbleberry, Big Bud, Hash Plant, White Widow, Hawaiian Indica, Cali Orange, etc.). more primo genetics(Jack Herer, Ice Crystal, White Rhino, Shiva Shanti, UBC Chemo, Cotton Candy, Romulan, Hawaiian Sativa, Shiskaberry, etc.), which I grew, crossed, back-crossed and otherwise produced both hydroponically and organically, indoors and out.

Who the hell are you, the Gregor Mendel of crime?;)

[Sideways]

"Pot=illigal, illigal=bad, pot=bad. I have no ability to think for myself."

[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
Had to throw in the hippie for ya, cause we all know you love hippies. Yeah, peace no nukes:monkey:

[llkoolkeg]

Originally posted by LoboDelFuego
Who the hell are you, the Gregor Mendel of crime?;)

...of his pea experiments. Robert Connell Clarke was actually my teacher with regards to the study of hybridization in cannabis. It is a must-read for anyone with a basic understanding of genetics who wants to create improved strains of herb that exhibit the secondary characteristics that are most pleasing to the grower.

It is a scientific book written as such and not like an "Ask Ed" column in High Times.

http://www.netstoreusa.com/hrbooks/091/091417178X.shtml

[shifty S]

whyd this thread die?

[Moogie]

yea i cant say ive touched the stuff in my life, but ive certainly been around when people are smokin. alchohol is a different story though, but im definitly not an alchoholic. im 1/2 belgian and have spent quite some time over there with my family, and alchohol and weed are a totally diferent story over there. i think that i was exposed to alchohol and stuff way before most, and i think that its really stupid to have super concerned parents outlawing "pleasures" from their kids, because the kids whose parents do that turn out worse anyways. kids are educated in europe, and from my experience nobodies as stupid as some of people i see here in the states. my 2 cents.

[-BB-]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
This is kind of the wrong place for this topic.

As Co-moderator, I say this IS the right place.
He wants FOOD recipes ;) :devil:

[-BB-]

Originally posted by Drunken_Ninja
There were a few issues that need clarification.


The alcoholic qualites in beer happen to be from the hopps. The barley water and yeast are important but don't give the kick. .

Sorry man... As a Brewer and smoker, I think I know what I'm talking about here.

Take a Mead or wine.... the alcohol comes from sugars being eaten by yeast. The hops are a preservative and the bitterness offer a counterbalaance to the sweatness of the un-eaten sugars..

[Lucee]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
I can legally walk into ANY store to purchase them, last I remember with pot you can't. If you can show me a store in the USA where they sell it legally, I will appolgize.


You're right, I'll just go wait on the Santa Cruz Courthouse steps & wait for the mayor to distribute his next batch...:p

[8RePuS]

Originally posted by Tenchiro
Oh man... What was the question?

I dont know.....got any chips?

[slein]

i smoke MJ when i can. used to be chronic, yet the gf got prego and whammo, she 180'd. so long as i'm responsible (like don't drive for a while after toking) then i kinda have a choice to do it when i have the opportunity.

i've tried pot cookies (using the butter method). i've also used shrooms with pizza.... whatta ride yo.

i can't remember what the ideal temp for releasing the the THC from POT in the butter method.... 185 F? try grinding it well first to ensure the maximum movement from the plant material to the butter solution

:stosh:

[hellskull]

to stay somewhat on topic this is food related:

THC is released at 175 F
1/8 oz of pot takes about 1 stick of butter
clarify the butter before you saute your herbs so that it doesn't burn and taste nasty
use the butter in anything you want (think morning toast)
brownies are a good bet because they allow you to consume a larger quantity of butter than just eating it straight.


the main piece of equiptment needed for vaporizing pot is a heat gun. find one that can be adjusted in small increments to achieve the perfect temp. no smoke, no joke, just some nice aroma-therapy. THC is also destroyed when heated by something as hot as a flame. So vaporizing or eating are much more efficient.

Just thought I'd mention that the last time I checked, any person, regardless of age, can walk into a store and purchase nutmeg. Don't diss it until you've tried it.

[boostindoubles]

he wants recipes? huh?


i'll give him some...

'firecrackers'

take 8 saltine crackers, spread peanut butter liberally all over them. Take about a joints worth of weed and break it up evenly on each cracker. Put the crackers together for 4 sandwiches. Place in an preheated oven at 320 degrees for 22 minutes. pull out, cool, eat a couple. get high!

Cannabis milk

Put milk (soy or dairy) and cannabis into a double boiler
Cook on medium heat for half an hour, stirring often
Strain cannabis from milk and discard
Store milk in an air tight container in the fridge


Marijuana butter~ for use in anything that requires cooking with butter

Directions:
1) Using a double boiler or two pots, melt the butter on low heat. When using two pots, fill the larger (bottom) pot with water and the top pot with butter.

2) Once the butter has melted, add the weed. The amount of weed will determine the potency. For example, a "light" batch may use 3/4 of an ounce of weed to 5 sticks of butter.

3) Simmer for 20-30 minutes stirring every 5 minutes.

4) Let sit for 5 minutes then strain the pot butter (using cheesecloth) into a small bowl.

5) Once cool enough to handle, pick up the cheesecloth and squeeze out the juice.

6) Cover and refrigerate until semi-solid.

[builder666]

VRIPTECH and a Steinel heat gun... I've never looked back

[boostindoubles]

vaporizers do kick ass, but theres something to be said about eating a cookie and getting belligerently high. Plus its a totally different high than from a vap or smoke. It doesnt set in for an hour and lasts between 4-8 hours.....

but i understand your point, vaporizers are much better than a bowl or joint. quick, easy, healthy. an economical way to get high compared eating too. But check out that firecracker recipe, only a joints worth of weed and your gone ghandi from eating it. :cool:

[builder666]

Originally posted by boostindoubles
vaporizers do kick ass, but theres something to be said about eating a cookie and getting belligerently high. Plus its a totally different high than from a vap or smoke. It doesnt set in for an hour and lasts between 4-8 hours.....

but i understand your point, vaporizers are much better than a bowl or joint. quick, easy, healthy. an economical way to get high compared eating too. But check out that firecracker recipe, only a joints worth of weed and your gone ghandi from eating it. :cool:

... word...

[hitek]

/me lights a 1/4 oz blunt of super silver haze

:cool:

[binary visions]

Originally posted by ATXjimATX
Alcohol and weed are both detrimental in their own ways. Both can mess your life up. Not saying they will; but they can.
Here's an idea
try Finding a way to live your life so that you don't have to get high or drunk to enjoy it.....
just an idea....

Here's an idea
all things in moderation can lead to both an enjoyment of life outside of alcohol and weed, as well as enjoying it with said substances.

Some people "have" to get high or drunk to enjoy life, but don't assume that anyone using alcohol or weed is using either of them as a crutch to enjoy their life.

These are some great recipes. :thumb:

[Guntruck]

Its not hard to see why beer and tobacco are legal while pot is not. If you've been too stoned to notice we live in a democracy. We govern ourselves. Look back in history when this nation started. What were we? A bunch of tobacco pipe smoking drunks. Most people in the US see alcohol and tobacco as less harmful than marijuana so thats exactly why they're legal. Why do they see them as less harmful?? Because way more people are addicted to those things and they were way more prevalent than pot early on in our history. If pot had the same user base as tobacco you could be damn sure it would be legal. Theres no way the US Government is going to miss out on all those profits from taxes. Stop with the "Oh but pot is less harmful than beer" bull**** already. It's getting old, and honestly I don't think anybody cares!?

[boostindoubles]

Originally posted by hitek
/me lights a 1/4 oz blunt of super silver haze

:cool:

dude are you for real? ssh is super potent and hard to come by! if i ever head up near bc(which is only 6 hours away) i'm gonna hook up with you to sample some of those heads!
peace!

:drool:


btw, alcohol and pot, as well as any other chemical substance from glue to heroin, can all be used to escape your life. whether it be a death in the family or a bad grade on an exam. Using chemicals to numb this kind of **** out is a really negative thing to do. It makes things worse than they would be if you just nutted up and worked thru it.

but as far as a recreational chemical, pot is alot safer than alcohol or other drugs, making it less harmful.


ok after you make that cannabutter i posted a bit ago you can make these ganja goo balls:

1 whole box of Honey nut cheerios(or your favorite cereal)
1 cup of Ganja Butter
1 Bag of Marshmallows, the mini kind work best
1 cup of choc. chips, or nuts


melt the butter in a pan until it simmers. Gradually add the marshmallows until they disolve, careful not to burn it. Dump your cereal and choc. chips into a baking pan, mix the chips and cereal abit. Dump the whole pan of marshmallow Ganja butter over the cereal mix. Let cool for a few minutes, then form into balls, and put onto wax paper, or plastic wrap. Let them cool in the fridge for a couple of hours, then dig in!!


peace!

[laura]

Originally posted by Guntruck
Its not hard to see why beer and tobacco are legal while pot is not. If you've been too stoned to notice we live in a democracy. We govern ourselves. Look back in history when this nation started. What were we? A bunch of tobacco pipe smoking drunks. Most people in the US see alcohol and tobacco as less harmful than marijuana so thats exactly why they're legal. Why do they see them as less harmful?? Because way more people are addicted to those things and they were way more prevalent than pot early on in our history. If pot had the same user base as tobacco you could be damn sure it would be legal. Theres no way the US Government is going to miss out on all those profits from taxes. Stop with the "Oh but pot is less harmful than beer" bull**** already. It's getting old, and honestly I don't think anybody cares!?



sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


http://www.cripplefight.com/smileys/deadhorse.gif

[Zoso]

I have no problem with pot. I do think its kinda silly that people who have never tried it think its such a bad thing and should be outlawed. Most people take life too seriously, and miss tons of cool things while they're at it. I don't advocate the abuse of drugs/alcohol, but it won't kill you to try it and open your horizens a little bit. If you don't like it, fine, but at least you've tried it and can back up your opinion. I think that most people are afraid of losing control of their lives, which is why they don't do it. I do it VERY rarely, but I think that's how it should be used. When I do it, it gives me a very intense high because I have no tolerance for it (this also saves money - don't need a lot to do the job). I've lost control over my body before (when I would lean against something, I kept pushing myself against it harder and harder. I couldn't stop unless someone pulled me away. I almost choked myself on a window sill, seriously). I dunno, I liked it. It was cool to know that there was nothing I could do about my condition but let the drugs run their course and hold on for the ride.

If you are smart with them, recreational drugs can be very rewarding. Just don't over do it, and don't do them alone. Those are my rules.

[Guntruck]

Originally posted by laura
sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


http://www.cripplefight.com/smileys/deadhorse.gif

Beating dead animals? Now theres something that should be legalized. :D :D

[cmurphy59]

If you don't like my fire then don't come around. Cause' I'm gonna burn one down.

[boostindoubles]

my choice is what i choose to do, and if i'm causing no harm, it shouldnt bother you. Your choice is who you want to be, and if your causing no harm then your alright with me....:D

[Lexx D]

Originally posted by boostindoubles
my choice is what i choose to do, and if i'm causing no harm, it shouldnt bother you. Your choice is who you want to be, and if your causing no harm then your alright with me....:D
Yes! If your not hurting anyone then what's the big deal.

[CanadianWorm]

Yes! If your not hurting anyone then what's the big deal.

Then why is it law that you must wear a seatbelt? Why is it law that you must wear a helmet when riding your bike on the streat? If you crash, it's your head.

But I aggree with your statement 100%. It's your business, and shouldn't concern anyone else.

Just because something is illegal doesn't meen that it's bad or wrong.

My point of view ^.

[Guntruck]

You guys really need to quit bitchin' about it and vote some legislators into office that will do what you want.

[Darryl]

Originally posted by boostindoubles
dude are you for real? ssh is super potent and hard to come by! if i ever head up near bc(which is only 6 hours away) i'm gonna hook up with you to sample some of those heads!
peace!

:drool:


btw, alcohol and pot, as well as any other chemical substance from glue to heroin, can all be used to escape your life. whether it be a death in the family or a bad grade on an exam. Using chemicals to numb this kind of **** out is a really negative thing to do. It makes things worse than they would be if you just nutted up and worked thru it.

but as far as a recreational chemical, pot is alot safer than alcohol or other drugs, making it less harmful.


ok after you make that cannabutter i posted a bit ago you can make these ganja goo balls:

1 whole box of Honey nut cheerios(or your favorite cereal)
1 cup of Ganja Butter
1 Bag of Marshmallows, the mini kind work best
1 cup of choc. chips, or nuts


melt the butter in a pan until it simmers. Gradually add the marshmallows until they disolve, careful not to burn it. Dump your cereal and choc. chips into a baking pan, mix the chips and cereal abit. Dump the whole pan of marshmallow Ganja butter over the cereal mix. Let cool for a few minutes, then form into balls, and put onto wax paper, or plastic wrap. Let them cool in the fridge for a couple of hours, then dig in!!


peace!

Oh man, gooballs sogood.

[cmurphy59]

Does anyone know anything about vaporizers that you don't need a heat gun for? Also, if you don't have a lighter handy use a magnifying glass. Its so chill.

[boostindoubles]

the magnifying glass is the only way i smoke when the suns out. I prefer it over a bic any day.


and good vaporizers are vaporbro's. also the volcano.

heres a website:vapor warehouse (http://www.vaporwarehouse.com/store/shop?1=1&p=vaporizers.html)


and i agree what i want to do should be up to me, and if its not a problem for you, leave me the f*ck alone. too bad its not the way it works. ben harper rocks

[Repack]

I like bongs, but smoke the most out of a 1hitter/bat box. Very stealth. Some say they are harsh, but they make it last a long time and nobody can tell what you are up to.
As for recepies, I have been wanting to stew some in melyed butter and then poor it over some popcorn. A friend of mine said that it is the easiest way to cook with it. Still haven't tried it. But I love good brownies.

[boostindoubles]

i think that peanut butter cracker recipe i posted a bit ago in this thread is easier than any butter cooking recipe. But i've only heard testimonials about it, i havent tried it. Cant injest any reefer or else very negative consequences for me

[Clark Kent]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
Pot is a drug and is illegal in this country, thats why I say its not the right place. Last I looked cigars were still legal to buy. Or just rephrase it................What do you LIKE to eat when your stoned?

Some laws are stupid and should be ignored! Riding a bike that is not registered is illegal too, but I bet when most of us post about our rides we are implicating ourselves in just such an action!

[Mutha Thuga]

glass pipe, roll the resin,
so expensive down here tho.

[VegiBikerDude]

Originally posted by llkoolkeg
After sophmore year of college, I made the pilgimage to Amsterdam and arranged for the import of many legendary strains(SK1, NL2, NL5, AF1, Jamaican Sativa, Haze, Hindu Kush, Bubbleberry, Big Bud, Hash Plant, White Widow, Hawaiian Indica, Cali Orange, etc.). I smoked on a daily basis by now and experimented with consuming it in any way imaginable.

During college and shortly afterwards, I made several more trips to Holland, Germany, and British Columbia to arrange the shipment of more primo genetics(Jack Herer, Ice Crystal, White Rhino, Shiva Shanti, UBC Chemo, Cotton Candy, Romulan, Hawaiian Sativa, Shiskaberry, etc.), which I grew, crossed, back-crossed and otherwise produced both hydroponically and organically, indoors and out.

Youve got the right idea, those are some damn good strains...

As for the whole herb discussion, marijuana is a miracle plant. I am not even going to begin to debate on whether or not its good for you, or if its addictive, all I know is that it makes you feel damn good, and I can speak for myself when I say I feel responsible driving or biking under the influence of weed. For me it makes riding in the city more fun, out on the trails its a toss up, depends on the terrain. Although I do know that theres a big bubbler pack waiting for me at the end of every ride. If you dont approve of the usage of marijuana, thats fine, just dont criticze those that do, if you dont know what your talking about then dont get in the discussion. As for Brian HCM #whatever, go smoke a joint. :evil:

[dG video]

well ive been smoking for a couple years now, i cant even smoke cigarrettes legally, not that i wnat to, for a recipe it may sound bad but i ahd it in montreal and make my own all the time, make a salad and add a few nugs here and there, gives u a nice little buzz and tastes pretty good, i love keef, its pure thc grinded out of the bud with a coffee blender, it gievs you a high like you wouldnt beleive, favorite methods are... gravity bongs they are so easy and work the best with a bath tub, bubblers are nice too but theres nothing better then buying a pack of clove cigarrettes (the ones that smell and taste good) just put the bud in them and gives it a nice tatse

[willyboy8576]

all i got to say is "Pick it, pack it, fire it up, come along
and take hits from the bong" -Cyprus Hill


Peace

[genpowell71]

I'm older now, and things have changed in the world. I've had some of the best pot the earth has to offer. My kids are taught that Pot is bad, and that it doesnt have any good things to contribute to the human race. Well, I ask why the people with glaucoma are using? Why do cancer patients get perscriptions for it? Why is medicinal research looking into the calming aspects of it for manics and schizo's? My big question is if pot is so bad, then why is it the only "herb" that iscompletely natural with no added chemicals. Personally, I have a responsibility to my kids to be a good father, but if I was a younger man, I'd say use the disposable, homemade bongs. Easy to build and easier to conceal as trash if John Q Lawman breaks down your door.

[mack]

OK, i no nothing about weed. I have been smoking for around 3 months, maybe around 10 times. I like it, but i have NO IDEA ABOUT ANYTHING. How do you tell if weed is good? I just buy from the same guy, he could be riping me for all i know.

What are the main strains of weed you buy? what are the good ones i should ask for.

How do you use a magnifying glass to smoke? I just use a pipe. Please help a noob.

[cmurphy59]

I don't claim to be an expert but good pot should have some nice hairs (orange or red mostly) and no seeds. To use a magnifying glass just angle it so the suns light is concentrated into a small bead. It doesn't take long to start burning.

[Repack]

Originally posted by mack
Please help a noob.
Ha ha! Certainly! I have never been into the strain names. None of my friends care either. It just Kind (good), Mids (middle grade), and commercial (low grade). The low grade stuff is very easy to spot. Its also called brick weed because it is compressed to make it smaller to ship. The good stuff I have seen all looks similar to this picture. Cheap stuff is darker, has lots of seeds, and is not fluffy like good bud. Good bud has no seeds b/c it is unfertalized (by male plant) female. THC (the active ingrediant) stops being produced when the female plant is fertalized by a male and the seeds are produced. If the female goes unfertalized, the flowers (part you smoke) just keep growing. Or something like that. I have never grown it. This is info that the growers I do know have told me. Good bud has no seeds b/c it is not fertalized, but I have partaken of high-quality androgenous seed producing plants. The good stuff is expensive not only because it is more potent, but b/c of all the extra work needed to grow it.
The only thing that I can think if related to the magnifying glass is that THC suppossedly has a vaporizing point of ~175 deg f. Over heating can burn/destroy the THC, so there are numerous ways of igniting it.

Try not to get too involved with it. Just b/c no one has ever overdosed on it doesn't mean it can't mess you up.

This pic came off of another website and has nothing what so ever to do with me, other than that I wish it was mine!

[mack]

mmm, i must be reall spoiled, mine always looks like that! or usualy does, i have never had any seeds.

[Repack]

Originally posted by mack
mmm, i must be reall spoiled, mine always looks like that! or usualy does, i have never had any seeds.
I went to school in VT. I know how it is. I started in 1997 and still haven't graduated. Don't do drugs.

[mack]

You seriose?

[Repack]

Originally posted by mack
You seriose?
Me? Yes. I took some time off and am going to school at UMass Boston now.

[mack]

Id never let it get out of hand, i still have a B average.

[Repack]

Originally posted by mack
Id never let it get out of hand, i still have a B average.
Nothing I said was untrue, but there was a VERY heavy dose of sarcasm invloved.:D

[llkoolkeg]

Originally posted by Repack
Good bud has no seeds b/c it is unfertalized (by male plant) female. THC (the active ingrediant) stops being produced when the female plant is fertalized by a male and the seeds are produced. If the female goes unfertalized, the flowers (part you smoke) just keep growing. Or something like that. I have never grown it. This is info that the growers I do know have told me. Good bud has no seeds b/c it is not fertalized, but I have partaken of high-quality androgenous seed producing plants. The good stuff is expensive not only because it is more potent, but b/c of all the extra work needed to grow it.

High quality buddage gets that way for primarily seven reasons:

1. You have to start with the best genetics possible. No matter how good a job you do growing it, you will never exceed the strain's genetic limitations.
2. It has been grown competently(proper pH, temperature, humidity, nutrient ratios, light cycle, etc.) whether hydroponically indoors under HIDs or organically outdoors by the sun.
3. It has to be brightly and intensely lit over the duration of its life cycle by an artificial or natural light source.
4. The plant has to be mature and preferably at least 4 months old(from seed) or 3 months old(from clone).
5. The buds should be sin semillas(without seeds), or from unfertilized female plants. THC continues to develop even if a female is fertilized, but bud size and density are compromised.
6. The buds are ripe, i.e. at the point of diminishing marginal returns relative to trichome development.
7. They buds are harvested, manicured, dried and cured properly.

[Repack]

Originally posted by llkoolkeg
High quality buddage gets that way for primarily seven reasons:
Thanks.
I was gonna mention about #2. Outdoor can be very good, but all factors being equal will rarely surpass the quality of indoor, because of the control you have over the elements indoors. Good outdoor is one of my favorites.

[AZGrower]

High quality buddage gets that way for primarily seven reasons:

1. You have to start with the best genetics possible. No matter how good a job you do growing it, you will never exceed the strain's genetic limitations.
2. It has been grown competently(proper pH, temperature, humidity, nutrient ratios, light cycle, etc.) whether hydroponically indoors under HIDs or organically outdoors by the sun.
3. It has to be brightly and intensely lit over the duration of its life cycle by an artificial or natural light source.
4. The plant has to be mature and preferably at least 4 months old(from seed) or 3 months old(from clone).
5. The buds should be sin semillas(without seeds), or from unfertilized female plants. THC continues to develop even if a female is fertilized, but bud size and density are compromised.
6. The buds are ripe, i.e. at the point of diminishing marginal returns relative to trichome development.
7. They buds are harvested, manicured, dried and cured properly.

Actually, there are a few tweaks I would like to make to your analysis.
For point #4, you may want to mention that if doing cloning, your potential for harvest/potency will diminish every consecutive generation taken. So if you take a clone off of a mother plant that was taken as a clone, it will not be as strong as if it were the 1st gen clone. Also, if you take the clone off of a mature plant, then the clone itself is ready to flower, but for yield purposes, you may want some more vegetative growth to support larger yields.
Point #5, if you clone a female plant you will always have female plants, unless of course you choose to stress the plant into becoming a hermaph, in which is done to create seeds in a strain that you would like to preserve. The only difficulty with that is if your original strain is a hybrid then you will have a gambit of progeny possibilities (thats another story). You can also force a female plant into becoming a hermaph by using Giberilic Acid, but this is also done to actually create seeds for the future. Seed production takes up energy, which will be taken from the whole plant, thats why you will see quality and yield go down when seeds are present.

With that being said, you can actually manipulate the plant into flowering early by stressing it somewhat. By nature, the only job of plants is to set seed and multiply. So when a plant is stressed, it will become what we call generative (reproductive) and will begin to flower. Well it just so happens that "the kind" IS the flower. So to force early flowering, you can manipulate the crop much more than just changing the light cycles. You see I am a greenhouse grower, and NO I do not grow weed, I grow hydroponic tomatoes in a greenhouse. We are always trying to keep our plant reproductive (generative) because of the fact that we sell tomatoes and not leaves and such. So our main goal is to maximize the plant's energy into making flowers, which leads to fruits, our tomatoes. We learn many ways to manipulate the crop in order to do this and its a fine science where I am learning all the time. Again I DO NOT grow pot, its just easy to apply the information to any type of plant grown.

[Nitromike]

Beer and Pot are made from almost the same damn plant. The alcoholic qualites in beer happen to be from the hopps. The barley water and yeast are important but don't give the kick. Hopps is geonetically a derivitave of marijuana, a hybrid form of the plant. Hopps is very wild and has very wild effects some of which have not been discovered. Do not try eating this plant directly or you will get high. The effects are uniquely close between the two plants. My local brewery announced that the hopps could be replaced with something more lively if the right circumstances were available...if marijuana were legal it would be considered.

Wrong, the alcoholic qualities of beer are from the fermented sugars released from the barley, hops are only a flavoring agent. You can make a alcoholic beverage without the hops but adding the hops back in and removing the barley .. no alcohol content.


Hops are in the same family as pot now, but not because they have any "special" properties. The hop plant (Humulus lupulus) is a vine that was formerly placed in the mulberry family (Moraceae), but because of the remarkable similarity of floral characteristics, it is now placed in the marijuana family (Cannabaceae) along with marijuana or Indian hemp (Cannabis sativa). In fact, these are the only two genera in this family. Both species are dioecious, with separate male and female plants in the population. The females flowers of hop plants are strikingly similar to those of marijuana.

[Gk. Willie]

Thanks.
I was gonna mention about #2. Outdoor can be very good, but all factors being equal will rarely surpass the quality of indoor, because of the control you have over the elements indoors. Good outdoor is one of my favorites.

Done properly Outdoor can be 10x better than indoor. Its all about location location location. Take it from the groundskeeper, after years of following Phish I can testify that nothing beats Ny's fall harvest and everyone whose ever lived here and moved says it every time they come home.

Down with BEASTERS

[Repack]

Done properly Outdoor can be 10x better than indoor. Its all about location location location. Take it from the groundskeeper, after years of following Phish I can testify that nothing beats Ny's fall harvest and everyone whose ever lived here and moved says it every time they come home.

Down with BEASTERS
Cool. I think I know what your talking about. Does ir smell like a Christmas tree, is kinda mellow, but lasts forever? I think that most of the stuff that reaces Burlington VT comes from Canada, so who knows.

Are you going to the Phish show in VT this summer? I've never seen tham and can't wait. Hopefully it wont sell out before I've saved enough $.

[Clark Kent]

I can legally walk into ANY store to purchase them, last I remember with pot you can't. If you can show me a store in the USA where they sell it legally, I will appolgize.

Its true...It is legal to buy to smokes and beers. But it is immoral to promote the use to minors. If talking about weed in this thread is promoting weed, then talking about brew is promoting drinking... Because the oil and chemical industry was able get laws passed making the substance illegal, doesnt make it an evil thing. Its just like a fine brew dog! The damn kids should stay away from it...But I sure as hell aint!


It is nice how everyone has kept their head about them throughout this thread! :thumb:

[Clark Kent]

I have read in several diff sources that the old happy plant was the first cultivated crop......

[mack]

thats pretty funny.

[genpowell71]

There is a DAMN good point to legalize it. Think of all the money it could generate for the education system, the elderly, not to mention putting all the street dealers out of business. National deficit, that would be a thing of the past, (even though it's just a number that no one really worries about). But I think the biggest pro to legalization would be it just goes so well with beer.

[Repack]

I have read in several diff sources that the old happy plant was the first cultivated crop......
I have also heard that. I am not sure that it is true, but what is true is that Hemp is the strongest natural fiber, grows much faster than cotton, and is far cheaper to cultivate. It is also much easier and cheaper to make cloth and paper out of because of the relative lack of seeds.
You don't even have to look at the combustable aspects of it to realize how good it is!

[Repack]

It is nice how everyone has kept their head about them throughout this thread! :thumb:

I am not sure that I agree with that. I am guessing that most of the people replying to this thread "lose their head" on a fairly regular basis. :D

[grimm]

Bleh! :angry:

[Smelly]

Done properly Outdoor can be 10x better than indoor. Its all about location location location. Take it from the groundskeeper, after years of following Phish I can testify that nothing beats Ny's fall harvest and everyone whose ever lived here and moved says it every time they come home.

Down with BEASTERS


mmmm....a couple years ago there was a strain going around called Adirondack Gold that was really tasty.
i f*cking hate beasters with a passion. if somone offers a bowl packed with beasters, i just say no thanks. the smell of them is nauseating. it doesn't even smell like weed, smells like chemicals. those things are as disgusting as cigarettes and get you about as high. friends don't let friends smoke beast!

[Ciaran]

mmmm....a couple years ago there was a strain going around called Adirondack Gold that was really tasty.
i f*cking hate beasters with a passion. if somone offers a bowl packed with beasters, i just say no thanks. the smell of them is nauseating. it doesn't even smell like weed, smells like chemicals. those things are as disgusting as cigarettes and get you about as high. friends don't let friends smoke beast!


Ummmm... What's a BEASTER?

[llkoolkeg]

Ummmm... What's a BEASTER?

Schwiggidy schwag commercial, I presume from context, otherwise known as: sticks-N-stones, stress, dirtweed, ditchweed, regs, hocus pocus, meximash, etc.

[quadricolour]

Weird, beasters used to mean mid-grade BC commercial. Funny how slang evolves.

[Smelly]

generally, beasters still does, although a similar type of bud is now grown in massive amounts in eastern places in canada (quebec i've heard). beasters generally are a very dense bud, not much crystalization, some orangey hairs, a soft, kinda velvety feel, and they smell like they're full of chemicals.

[Ciaran]

beasters generally are a very dense bud, not much crystalization, some orangey hairs, a soft, kinda velvety feel, and they smell like they're full of chemicals.

No wonder they're called beasters. That sounds down right nasty. I would expect such things from down south in old mexico, but not from our frozen friends to the north. :)

I guess the best bet is still to grow yer own. (Not that I would condone any illegal activities, mind you...)

[craftyman]

i smoke. i quit forover a year and i just started again. i like the hydro and the purps. preferred method is bong then pipe

[Changleen]

Or if you can't get weed, but need a hit:

http://www.news24.com/News24/Backpage/Offbeat/0,5583,2-1343-1347_1567778,00.html

[genpowell71]

I havent smoked in a bit over 5 years now. When I was living in Vicenza Italy, I always bought from the morrocans up in Bassano near Milan. Thode guys know how to grow the stuff. I had a finger of hash as a going away gift, and I couldnt finish it. It put me into the next dimension and I stayed there till I finished a whole loaf of bread and the lunch meat to go along with it.

DAMN I miss it...

[jollyrodger]

Does anyone know if you can use olive oil instead of butter when cooking with greens?

[genpowell71]

So where does the best pot to smoke come from in the world?

[WestCoastHucker]

So where does the best pot to smoke come from in the world?
i favor black nepal... (even though it's not even black or from nepal)

[Repack]

Does anyone know if you can use olive oil instead of butter when cooking with greens?
Anything lipid (fat) soluble.

[Repack]

So where does the best pot to smoke come from in the world?
I don't really pay too much attention to that. To me, asking questions like that, is, well, like asking a "best ever" question in any other catagory. I know how to sopt the good stuff, and am happy with what I get. Nothing but KB. Whats the Snoop line? "No stems, no seeds, no ???, no sticks", or something like that.

[scurban]

santa cruz cali, or humbolt county

[genpowell71]

I sure do miss rockin the bong

[boostindoubles]

good weed depends mostly on the strain. of almost equal importance is growing conditions. then you've got harvest timing/flush process. and if its been cured for a couple months its going to be super dank!


and like scurban said, the best weed in the world is coming out of northern california and i think oregon too.

the beasters that floats around the states are usually ****ty boring smokes and sometimes its even been kiefed! what trash they pawn on the needy. but if you go to vancouver and head down to commerical drive where all the weed shops are you can score some dank nuggets. BC grows all kinds of high grade smoke

[genpowell71]

Well, when its the only thing available, bad weed turns to weed that is smokable then

[Ciaran]

I don't really pay too much attention to that. To me, asking questions like that, is, well, like asking a "best ever" question in any other catagory. I know how to sopt the good stuff, and am happy with what I get. Nothing but KB. Whats the Snoop line? "No stems, no seeds, no ???, no sticks", or something like that.

No stems, no seeds that you don't need. Acapulco Gold is.... <puff puff, ahhhhh...> bad azz weeeeeeed.

Not sure if that's what you are looking for but a friend O mine used to always sing that while tending his garden.

[westernpenna]

"Hippies, I hate Hippies. All they do is sit around in trees and smoke weed."
"Hippies suck!!!!!!!! It's just that simple."
"Yeah!!!!! Hippies and terrorists are the samething."

I don't smoke weed, nor am I a "hippie", however I know a lot of people that do smoke weed. Not all people that smoke weed are hippies. Not all hippies smoke weed. How are terrorists and hippies the same thing. Define terrorism? Terrorism is perceived by cultural interpretation. It is this type of speech that perpetuates narrow minded ethnocentrism.

This forum may not be the place to talk about drug usage but if people decide to take the opportunity to discuss it then it is their problem. However I don't think that this justifies equating a misinterpreted peace movement to terrorism. If ridemonkey feels this topic is distasteful then it should be pulled. However I see no need to resort to high school level hate speech.

Sombody needs to start hugging some trees, unless you want to ride urban the rest of your life!

Personally I would rather just ride my bike! :thumb:

[Ciaran]

I don't smoke weed, nor am I a "hippie", however I know a lot of people that do smoke weed. Not all people that smoke weed are hippies. Not all hippies smoke weed. How are terrorists and hippies the same thing. Define terrorism? Terrorism is perceived by cultural interpretation. It is this type of speech that perpetuates narrow minded ethnocentrism.

This forum may not be the place to talk about drug usage but if people decide to take the opportunity to discuss it then it is their problem. However I don't think that this justifies equating a misinterpreted peace movement to terrorism. If ridemonkey feels this topic is distasteful then it should be pulled. However I see no need to resort to high school level hate speech.

Sombody needs to start hugging some trees, unless you want to ride urban the rest of your life!

Personally I would rather just ride my bike! :thumb:


Dude. Mellow out... go smoke a bowl. I do understand where you are coming from and I agree, but try not to take someones sig too seriously. Now... SMOKE ON!!!! :thumb:
:thumb:

[Smelly]

santa cruz cali, or humbolt county

i'd say they're both best known for great pot, but they're certainly not the only place with mind blowing grass. plenty of old hippies in vermont and new york who grow it just as dank.

[Ciaran]

i'd say they're both best known for great pot, but they're certainly not the only place with mind blowing grass. plenty of old hippies in vermont and new york who grow it just as dank.

I agree. These days you can find good smoke anywhere. It takes good seeds, a good technique and plenty of love. Some of the best I ever had was from La Habra Calif. Why? Cause that's where I was living at the time. :D

[Speeding Bullit]

I smoke pot, but just at the end of the day. Otherwise nothing would ever get done!! Recipes?? Hmmm, I suggest we smoke some for inspiration. Crap now I can't remember why I wanted to be inspired, I think I'll mow the lawn just in case thats what I was supposed to do!!

[T-Pirate]

"Pot=illigal, illigal=bad, pot=bad. I have no ability to think for myself."


So true. If someone starts saying how horrible it is, the first thing I ask is "Have you tried it?" ..."well....no". "then your points are officially useless."

[genpowell71]

preach It Brother!!!

[T-Pirate]

I like smoking weed....I like it lots.

[T-Pirate]

How often do you guys smoke?

[boostindoubles]

yo, i've smoked daily for a really long time. lately i've seen it creating a negative impact on my life. because i'm not studying and getting the grades i need. i ge blazed rather than open a book. so like maybe 2-3 grams a day~

the past two weeks i've been cutting back to maybe a bowl once a week. i really am trying to give it a break for once in my life.

[stringcheese]

After being a multiple-times-a-day-smoker for quite a while, yesterday I decided to come to a sudden and complete stop. I feel smarter already.

Weed is definitely a blessing, and can be used without interfering with your daily routine. That only goes for people who can responsibly use it, though, and that I couldn't do.

[Skookum]

For anyone who doesn't know the only way to die from a Marijuana overdose is by ingesting it. Would take a hell of a lot of the normal outdoor crap that i suspect still floats around the country, but if you have good stuff i suppose you could manage it. Yes i've overdosed myself taking knife hits through a paper towel roller with toothpicks stuck on the bottom filling the chamber with ice. Wound up passing out and nearly hitting my head on the red hot stove. Aaaah to be 16 again. People like me usually die when we're young, but i quit everything when i was 21 mainly because i figure i wanted to live longer than my parents did. Both died from drug related accidents in their 20's.

[binary visions]

I'm sure you'd die from smoke inhalation long before you died of the actual THC overdose. I don't think you can even smoke it fast enough to die of an overdose - you'd just pass out.

Anyhow... I used to be a multiple-times-per-day smoker a few years ago but I simply can't do it anymore. My job requires me to be focused and sharp, and you can't achieve that when you're smoking every day. After I got a promotion about 6 months ago, I decided I would only smoke on the weekends. Lately, though, I've had so much other stuff going on in my life that it's been a lot less than that.

Incidentally, anyone who says daily use of pot doesn't interfere with daily activities, is absolutely full of sh!t. No ifs, ands or buts. Don't be stupid: of course it interferes with daily activities. Whether or not it interferes with them enough that it actually causes problems is another story entirely. But smoking every day makes you less sharp, less responsive, and it does affect your memory.

Anyhow.. I enjoy smoking but just have too much going on in my life to do much of it anymore.

[Lexx D]

Incidentally, anyone who says daily use of pot doesn't interfere with daily activities, is absolutely full of sh!t. No ifs, ands or buts. Don't be stupid: of course it interferes with daily activities. Whether or not it interferes with them enough that it actually causes problems is another story entirely. But smoking every day makes you less sharp, less responsive, and it does affect your memory.

No way. I'm sharp as a tack and I smoke everyday(never at work). I would like to...................oh look a ball.

[Skookum]

I'm sure you'd die from smoke inhalation long before you died of the actual THC overdose. I don't think you can even smoke it fast enough to die of an overdose - you'd just pass out.

ingest means "eating" if there was any misunderstanding.



I agree that it DOES interfere with daily life. That's why I never smoke before work. Like you said, "Whether or not it interferes with them enough that it actually causes problems is another story entirely. " And to that end I have only one example of pot not getting in the way of daily life...

A very good friend is a daily smoker. She has been since she was 15,.....
There are plenty of "functional" alcoholics and "functional" drug addicts whether it be prescriptions or otherwise.
Truth is an argument could be made that your freind could excel even more if not hindered by a habit, but to me that's not even the real issue of how it ultimately effects people. My whole deal is it retards emotional and spiritual growth, especially if you depend on it to alter your mood or relieve stress. To be able to do this without the assistance of a chemical is within everybodys capability. That's why it's called dependance, the slippery slope of addiction, eventually you need to a chemical to "feel" right. People flock to Starbucks every morning to "feel" right. Of course it varies with each individual, and people who take it to the extreme usually find the more negative aspects spreading chaos to them and others around them more quickly than others who live a fairly "functional" life, eventually having to get on a lung machine from their nasty cigarrette habit. Eventually the monkey gets you one way or the other if not thru death then making you an irritable asshole without your weed or whatever.
Personally i don't care what people do or are into, i know many people who have assorted vices. i just feel people should be more honest about the repercussions of stuff, i mean really i knew back when i was using, that i was an addict, as i still am, just not practicing. i had no illusions i just didn't care, or perhaps i cared too much.....
Anyways never mind my head trip until you decide you wanna quit then revisit all the info. Til then toke up hard retard!!! Haha :D

[T-Pirate]

Anyhow... I used to be a multiple-times-per-day smoker a few years ago but I simply can't do it anymore. My job requires me to be focused and sharp, and you can't achieve that when you're smoking every day. After I got a promotion about 6 months ago, I decided I would only smoke on the weekends. Lately, though, I've had so much other stuff going on in my life that it's been a lot less than that.




I agree. Sure, I could go to school stoned....and it would go by a lot faster, and be way more fun, but I really would never get anything done. I like riding stoned though.

[binary visions]

ingest means "eating" if there was any misunderstanding.

Right, I got that.. Was just commenting.

I don't think I was quite clear on my statement about being a heavy smoker... What I meant was, being a heavy smoker affects your life outside of the time that you are high. Simply because you go to work sober doesn't mean you're functioning at the level you would be if you hadn't smoked every night during the week.

Apparently Ciaran deleted a post...? Too bad, I appreciate reading your posts, dude :thumb:

[T-Pirate]

Right, I got that.. Was just commenting.

I don't think I was quite clear on my statement about being a heavy smoker... What I meant was, being a heavy smoker affects your life outside of the time that you are high. Simply because you go to work sober doesn't mean you're functioning at the level you would be if you hadn't smoked every night during the week.

Apparently Ciaran deleted a post...? Too bad, I appreciate reading your posts, dude :thumb:

Probably true, I haven't noticed anything different about my non stoned state, but I usually smoke everyday for 5 days or so, then wait a couple weeks untl I buy more.

[Ciaran]

Apparently Ciaran deleted a post...? Too bad, I appreciate reading your posts, dude :thumb:


Well, I made a very stupid post last week and pissed off many people (which I am not defending, just trying to recover from it). After my last post about my friend I just about had my head bit off so I figured I would try and delete my more offensive posts and lay low for a bit. I am not here to make enemies (though it seems that I have :( ) or piss anyone off. I was just offering a bit of anecdotal evidence about a friend of mine and all of a sudden I am a retard.

Anyhoo... I am just taking a break to let the seas calm down before I upset anymore folks. :) Thanks for the kind words man. I like it around here, and would like to stay. :thumb:

[binary visions]

So true. If someone starts saying how horrible it is, the first thing I ask is "Have you tried it?" ..."well....no". "then your points are officially useless."

Missed this post before... And it's just plain stupid. Stupid stupid stupid.

You've gotta be f'ing kidding me. I'll tell you right now that heroin is horrible, and I haven't tried it. It's a horrible, horrible drug. I can tell you that animal abuse is horrible. I can tell you eating dog poo is horrible too. I haven't done either of them.

People can pass judgement without having actually tried something if they have a grounded, well thought out reason for it. You've judged a billion things that you haven't tried.

Stupidest logic ever.

Ciaran... No problem, just curious as to what it was. Stick around, errors are quickly forgotten around here...

[T-Pirate]

Missed this post before... And it's just plain stupid. Stupid stupid stupid.

You've gotta be f'ing kidding me. I'll tell you right now that heroin is horrible, and I haven't tried it. It's a horrible, horrible drug. I can tell you that animal abuse is horrible. I can tell you eating dog poo is horrible too. I haven't done either of them.

People can pass judgement without having actually tried something if they have a grounded, well thought out reason for it. You've judged a billion things that you haven't tried.

Stupidest logic ever.

Ciaran... No problem, just curious as to what it was. Stick around, errors are quickly forgotten around here...

I mean on weed man. I have never tried any of that stuff, but I think thats a pretty good point, I know I thought differently of pot before I tried it.

[stringcheese]

After being a multiple-times-a-day-smoker for quite a while, yesterday I decided to come to a sudden and complete stop. I feel smarter already.

Weed is definitely a blessing, and can be used without interfering with your daily routine. That only goes for people who can responsibly use it, though, and that I couldn't do.



hehehe that break didn't last for long. Boy have I had a busy afternoon :dancing:


oh look I still have a nug left

[binary visions]

I mean on weed man.

I re-read my post and didn't mean to imply you were talking about heroin (which is what I think you got from my post). I know you were talking about weed.

The logic is still absurd, though. Weed is illegal. Smoke is bad for you. It has noticable effects on your body's ability to function normally. It impairs your ability to make correct decisions.

Guess what? That's reason to judge it as stupid. I don't care who you are, what you think, what your experiences are, those are unavoidable facts about weed and they are plenty reason for people to say it's stupid.

The "don't knock it until you try it" argument is for weak people who have no greater logic skills. Don't lump yourself into that category, dude, I've seen you argue better than that.

[T-Pirate]

I re-read my post and didn't mean to imply you were talking about heroin (which is what I think you got from my post). I know you were talking about weed.

The logic is still absurd, though. Weed is illegal. Smoke is bad for you. It has noticable effects on your body's ability to function normally. It impairs your ability to make correct decisions.

Guess what? That's reason to judge it as stupid. I don't care who you are, what you think, what your experiences are, those are unavoidable facts about weed and they are plenty reason for people to say it's stupid.

The "don't knock it until you try it" argument is for weak people who have no greater logic skills. Don't lump yourself into that category, dude, I've seen you argue better than that.


You definately make good points. I know its a played out argument. I will also still say, especially in my experience, I have friends that have bashed it, and given me crap about doing it, then tried it and decided they liked it.

[binary visions]

You definately make good points. I know its a played out argument. I will also still say, especially in my experience, I have friends that have bashed it, and given me crap about doing it, then tried it and decided they liked it.
Of course they like it, man, it's a drug :)

Drugs make you feel good. That's why people do 'em. If drugs weren't easy to like, nobody in their right mind would risk the damaging effects and risk being arrested.

If you did cocaine all the time, and your friends bashed it, and then they all tried it - guess what? They'd like it. Same holds true for most drugs. There are a few that have odd effects (such as LCD) that some people like and some people don't, but by and large, drugs make you feel great and that's why people do 'em.

Which is a big reason why that argument doesn't hold water. The people who say, "weed is stupid" and then go and try it weren't strong enough in their convictions about WHY weed is stupid. They just had this prejudice that they'd never questioned, and when they finally got around to questioning it, they didn't change their mind, they simply realized that they had never really thought weed was stupid.

I had a friend who smoked up and, as often happens, didn't get high her first time. She's got a very open family and she went home and told her dad she had smoked up.

He asked, "Did you like it?"
She said, "No, not really."
He then asked, "Did you get high?"
She said, "No."
He said, "Well that's why you didn't like it." :D

Drugs make prejudiced people feel good. They make bad people and good people feel good. They make honest people and dishonest people feel good. They even make people who hate them feel good. That's a universal truth. The