Random drug testing in school approved [Archive] - Page 2

BurlyShirley

01-03-2003, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
I don't know who fed you that crap, but that's exactly what it is......crap. Sounds like BurlySurly propaganda.

Isnt it amazing how much some people love their Marijuana?

Anyone so blinded by their love for a chemical substance that they fail to admit MJ as at least a depressant is clearly sick.

Sideways

01-03-2003, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Isnt it amazing how much some people love their Marijuana?

I feel like something of a minority as I recognize that most of the mountain bike world smokes pot.
Sorry to those who don't want to believe it, but it has ALWAYS been the case.
I would go so far as to attribute the increased creativity to at least some of the progression that has taken place in the BC area over the last several years.

BurlyShirley

01-03-2003, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Sideways

I would go so far as to attribute the increased creativity to at least some of the progression that has taken place in the BC area over the last several years.

No kidding,

You'd either have to be crazy or high to attempt some of the stuff those guys are doing.

Sideways

01-03-2003, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by BurlySurly
No kidding,

You'd either have to be crazy or high to attempt some of the stuff those guys are doing.

It's a little of both.

edit:
I'm sure the same was said about the original Repack racers, too.
(And I'd have the same response)

Damn True

01-04-2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Sideways
I feel like something of a minority as I recognize that most of the mountain bike world smokes pot.
Sorry to those who don't want to believe it, but it has ALWAYS been the case.
I would go so far as to attribute the increased creativity to at least some of the progression that has taken place in the BC area over the last several years.

Your circle of friends smokes.

Your assertion that most bikers smoke is just too broad a generalization.

Out of all the Mt. Bikers that I know (a group of at least 50) only one smokes pot. It could be because most of us are racers and care about our bodies.

D_D

01-04-2003, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Damn True
Your circle of friends smokes.

Your assertion that most bikers smoke is just too broad a generalization.

Out of all the Mt. Bikers that I know (a group of at least 50) only one smokes pot. It could be because most of us are racers and care about our bodies.

Most bikers arn't racers.
Most of the bike riders I know use some form of legal or illegal drugs.

I think it would be unfair to say that people who use drugs don't care about there bodies.

You use harmful chemicals if you think they give and advantage over not using them. It's just different people jude the risk differently and reach different conclusions.

Sideways

01-04-2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Damn True
Your circle of friends smokes.

Your assertion that most bikers smoke is just too broad a generalization.

Out of all the Mt. Bikers that I know (a group of at least 50) only one smokes pot. It could be because most of us are racers and care about our bodies.

No, my circle of freinds are bikers.
My assertion is not a generalization.
I said most mountain bikers smoke pot, and that's just the truth.
Some of the fastest riders I know are stoners (I'm talking about semi-pro and pro level XC riders):
Folks who could "smoke" all us monkeys up any hill.:D

Damn True

01-04-2003, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by Sideways
No, my circle of freinds are bikers.
My assertion is not a generalization.
I said most mountain bikers smoke pot, and that's just the truth.
Some of the fastest riders I know are stoners (I'm talking about semi-pro and pro level XC riders):
Folks who could "smoke" all us monkeys up any hill.:D

I have a REALLY hard time believing that. Your anecdotal evidence hardly represents a cross section of the MTB world. Maybe we can get mtbr.com to post a poll?

Sideways

01-04-2003, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Damn True
I have a REALLY hard time believing that. Your anecdotal evidence hardly represents a cross section of the MTB world. Maybe we can get mtbr.com to post a poll?
Don't just take it from me.
Refer to the 2001 Bike magazine Photo Annual, page 32, fighting words column:
"Does marijuana play a valid role in the culture of mountain biking?"

indieboy

01-05-2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Sideways
Don't just take it from me.
Refer to the 2001 Bike magazine Photo Annual, page 32, fighting words column:
"Does marijuana play a valid role in the culture of mountain biking?"

yes it was called the cannabis cup :D race for weed lol

johnny33fb

01-05-2003, 11:11 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/12/30/drug.testing.ap/index.html

Just something interesting i thought id post.

Airborne

01-05-2003, 11:26 PM

if i am being taxed for public schooling, i sure as hell want drug testing. its possible some crack-head might rip me off for cash for a rock that he can buy from joey in 3rd period in the school my taxes are funding.

man i am getting old. and hypocritical: i haved smoked on occassion, but like once a year (exactly actually since the last episode).

my private school (high-school) tested us randomly, and it was really no big deal. i never worried as i didnt have "reason too", but nobody bitched - you got nailed, well, you got nailed. they could do whatever they wanted in that privately funded school.

speaking from experience, only those who are doing drugs oppose drug testing from what i have seen.

it seems silmilar to my latest plane ride this christmas when i was bag and shoe searched. i didnt mind it - i hoped they would be so careful inspecting everything as they were me, for my safety.

i know i am getting old now haha

Silver

01-05-2003, 11:30 PM

Yeah, I saw that one earlier in the week.

Of the 135 athletes subject to the random testing at Wahtonka, only 5.3 percent SAID they were using illicit drugs by the end of the school year, versus 19.4 percent of the 141 athletes at Warrenton.

Ask the riders in the Tour de France if they use drugs. I bet 0% will SAY they do, even in an anonymous survey. The truth, I'm sure, is somewhat higher.

Thinking back to my high school days, I would have lied for sure.

Airborne

01-05-2003, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Damn True
http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/
Interesting stuff from both sides of the issue, but here are a couple of gems that jumped out at me.
....
Cannabis link to mental illness strengthened...
....
From NewScientist.com's news service, 11 November 2002

ever notice that EVERYTHING has its risk? we can all die perhaps anytime on a bike, and hell, i jump out of planes too - for fun. we all drive cars. some of us eat bad food leading to heart disease. there's alcohol. motorcycles that go 175 mph. you name it. where does the arguement end? pot is MORE bad because its illegal? i say we ALL pick our poison. (i'm no pothead, i just don't harp on those that choose a different lifestyle than me. do unto others you know...)

Damn True

01-06-2003, 11:27 PM

Yeah, but why make that which is already dangerous moreso by impairing oneself with a depressant?

Before anyone says it, yeah, I drink. But after doing so I don't drive or ride. Can stoners say the same? Few can.

Silver

01-06-2003, 11:48 PM

"Stoners"...I take that to mean people who are habitually high, the kind that wake and bake every day. Put them in the same category as alcoholics, who need a drink to get going in the morning. How many of them drive drunk?

You're going worst case again and completely ignoring the majority. Most of the people I know who smoke pot don't do so on a regular basis. My experience (granted, yours may differ, but this is another viewpoint) is that people who smoke marijuana are very much like people who drink alcohol in their consumption habits.

Sideways

01-07-2003, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Damn True
Yeah, but why make that which is already dangerous moreso by impairing oneself with a depressant?

Before anyone says it, yeah, I drink. But after doing so I don't drive or ride. Can stoners say the same? Few can.

Driving high is nothing like driving drunk.
Pot is not a depressant.
You know not a thing about the effects of marijuana, so don't even bother.

mrbigisbudgood

01-07-2003, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by Sideways
Driving high is nothing like driving drunk.
Pot is not a depressant.
You know not a thing about the effects of marijuana, so don't even bother.

I'd rather stop at a green light than go through a red light.

BurlyShirley

01-07-2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
I'd rather stop at a green light than go through a red light.

Id rather you didnt drive intoxicated no matter what the substance.

Sideways

01-07-2003, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Id rather you didnt drive intoxicated no matter what the substance.

That means no morning coffee before heading to work, mrbigisbudgood!

Spud

01-07-2003, 02:37 PM

I don’t partake, but still oppose the testing for all but safety related reasons. I’m subject to random screening at my primary job and weekend play job. I don’t see the need for the screenings at either. Fortunately my primary job manages their program fairly professionally, unlike the second job where it is a total joke and any half assed labor lawyer would have a gold mine if somebody pushed the issue.

Still oppose the asinine airport searches even after 9-11. (people sneak all sorts of sh*t into maximum security prisons, so clearly we need to make airport searches even more invasive than cavity searches from prison…..)

mrbigisbudgood

01-07-2003, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Sideways
That means no morning coffee before heading to work, mrbigisbudgood!

I drink coffee so rarely, I get a superpsychobuzz when I do. I turn into cornholio.

Airborne

01-07-2003, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Damn True
Yeah, but why make that which is already dangerous moreso by impairing oneself with a depressant?

Before anyone says it, yeah, I drink. But after doing so I don't drive or ride. Can stoners say the same? Few can.

ah i agree, they ad up to stupidity.. i was looking at it alone. besides how many people with drugs as a defined hobby in their life are good riding? not too many!

Airborne

01-07-2003, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
I'd rather stop at a green light than go through a red light.

LMAO!!! this is good if you know what it means... bingo mrbigisbudgood!

Sideways

01-07-2003, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Airborne
ah i agree, they ad up to stupidity.. i was looking at it alone. besides how many people with drugs as a defined hobby in their life are good riding? not too many!
Nah...there really aren't many skilled riders out of BC.

Airborne

01-07-2003, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by Sideways
Nah...there really aren't many skilled riders out of BC.

ouch haha!:D

Damn True

01-08-2003, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Sideways
Driving high is nothing like driving drunk.
Pot is not a depressant.
You know not a thing about the effects of marijuana, so don't even bother.

Whatever Marshall.

You know it impairs judgement.
You know it dulls reactions.
You know it dulls visual acuity.
You know it impairs physical co-ordination.

Sideways

01-08-2003, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Damn True
Whatever Marshall.

You know it impairs judgement.
You know it dulls reactions.
You know it dulls visual acuity.
You know it impairs physical co-ordination.

The best mountain bikers I know are complete stoners.
Mountain biking, a prime example of something that requires precise judgement, quick reaction, excellant visual acuity, and absolute physical co-ordination.
So you are wrong.

Damn True

01-08-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Sideways
The best mountain bikers I know are complete stoners.
Mountain biking, a prime example of something that requires precise judgement, quick reaction, excellant visual acuity, and absolute physical co-ordination.
So you are wrong.

Impossible.

Marijuana impairs.

Those same riders simply would ride better when not impaired.

Sideways

01-10-2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by Damn True
Impossible.

Marijuana impairs.

Those same riders simply would ride better when not impaired.

Ever notice how well stoners are able to just go with the flow?
It's an integral part of the high.
Ever notice how the fastest riders can effortlessly flow through the fastest lines?
It's what being an efficient rider is about.
I know of a few riders around here who do practice day high to help find and learn smooth lines, then race sober to take advantage of the superior competitiveness of sobriety.
But then there’s also guys who are high whenever they are on a bike, and are just plain fast….so whatever.

I think that you have little understanding of the effects of marijuana.

mrbigisbudgood

01-10-2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Sideways
Ever notice how well stoners are able to just go with the flow?
It's an integral part of the high.
Ever notice how the fastest riders can effortlessly flow through the fastest lines?
It's what being an efficient rider is about.
I know of a few riders around here who do practice day high to help find and learn smooth lines, then race sober to take advantage of the superior competitiveness of sobriety.
But then there’s also guys who are high whenever they are on a bike, and are just plain fast….so whatever.

I think that you have little understanding of the effects of marijuana.

Sounds like someone should burn one and go hit the trails huh.

Marijuana isn't a depressant, it's a psychoactive drug. Everyone reacts differently to the effects. I personally have a hard time carrying on a conversation when stoned because I get side tracked by tangent thoughts. Give me something physical to do (bicycle) and I become intensely focused to the task at hand. When I dabbled in XC racing, I was also able to train at a higher heartrate when stoned. I didn't feel the lactic acid quite as much on longer climbs thanks to the pain numbing effects. I also felt more in touch with what was going on physically (death grip on the bars, clenched jaw, straight arms) and could make corrections.

But I also know people that freak out or get paranoid. I even know a couple people that have vomited after smoking. Some just get perma giggle and fall on the floor laughing.

It's a drug that enhances parts of your persona. Everyone reacts differently. Once again, everyone reacts differently.

BurlyShirley

01-10-2003, 07:14 PM

MrBIG..............

Wanna go riding when i come out that way in a couple weeks?
I hear this watershed's the place to go.

mrbigisbudgood

01-10-2003, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by BurlySurly
MrBIG..............

Wanna go riding when i come out that way in a couple weeks?
I hear this watershed's the place to go.

I need an excuse to make the trip up there. Its about 4 hours north of me, but your right, I hear it is the place to go. Your also welcome to roll down to Richmond/Charlottesville. Richmond has AWESOME riding opportunity. You can combine DJ, Urban, and XC VERY easily. Walnut Creek.....seems like all you do is pedal at that place. I'll PM you my contact info, but I'm sure a "BurlySurly visits the DC area" thread will start as soon as you make it out here.

BurlyShirley

01-10-2003, 07:59 PM

Right on,

Ill be out there for like 2 months, so i should get alot of riding in on the weekends. What kind of riding you do? Any DH/FR kinda stuff? I like urban as well, and some XC as long as i dont have climb too far. All i have is a 38T ring, and that gets a bit trying after a while.

mrbigisbudgood

01-10-2003, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Right on,

Ill be out there for like 2 months, so i should get alot of riding in on the weekends. What kind of riding you do? Any DH/FR kinda stuff? I like urban as well, and some XC as long as i dont have climb too far. All i have is a 38T ring, and that gets a bit trying after a while.

Considering that the only bike I own right now is a Giant AC-2, I'm on a FR, Urban, DH kick. Climbing sucks on the Giant, I had a Superlight before this and it's about 10 lbs heavier with 2.5 tires.

If the weather cooperates........Wintergreen!!!!!!!!!!

Damn True

01-12-2003, 04:29 PM

Silver

01-12-2003, 06:47 PM

Give me an H
Give me a Y
Give me a P
Give me an...forget it, Damn True we all know what it spells.

Would I get on a plane with a stoned pilot? Nope. One who smokes marijuana? Yep. Is drunk? Nope. Drinks alcohol? Yes.

If I had a choice of pilot, stoned or drunk?

Stoned anyday.

slein

01-12-2003, 10:47 PM

there are SO many facts/misconceptions about MJ and doing daily business.

kids under the age of sixteen should not smoke because their brains are not fully developed. after that, a kid would have to smoke a lot - like a pound a month (or a week of my stuff) - of MJ to suffer TEMPORARY brain disfunction. you could probably get the same effect living in a SMOGgy city for a day.

its a question of potential. however, we HUMANS only use a portion of our brains (more if you smoke MJ).

i could go on.... but this is a school rated thread.

Eddie420

01-13-2003, 05:58 AM

fully developed brained by 16 eh....damn I thought my brain was still developing.

Damn True

01-13-2003, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Silver
Give me an H
Give me a Y
Give me a P
Give me an...forget it, Damn True we all know what it spells.

Would I get on a plane with a stoned pilot? Nope. One who smokes marijuana? Yep. Is drunk? Nope. Drinks alcohol? Yes.

If I had a choice of pilot, stoned or drunk?

Stoned anyday.

You missed the point.

People keep saying (read lying) that MJ does not impair. Well if so I suggest you get on a plane with a stoned pilot.

D_D

01-13-2003, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by Damn True
Riiiiiight.

So, would you be willing to get aboard a 747 with a stoned pilot?
If you say anything other than no, you are lying to me and to yourself.

I know enough to be sure that only a complete moron would put that stuff in his/her body.

Just because someone judges the risks and benfits differently to you they are a complete moron?

I would think that driving a car is more harmfull than using pot but the advantages for most people of driving a car outway the risk of death or serious injury.

johnny33fb

01-13-2003, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Damn True
"Riiiiiight.

So, would you be willing to get aboard a 747 with a stoned pilot?
If you say anything other than no, you are lying to me and to yourself.

I know enough to be sure that only a complete moron would put that stuff in his/her body. "

So you consider anyone who has ever put mj in their body a complete moron... please thats just a stupid answer. Many people have tried it and decided that its not for them. Do you know how many presidents have used mj, or successful people the list is endless. Using something once in awhile or trying something doesn't make you a moron but rather lets you grow, try new things, and it everyone had a view like or thats stupid or thats not right we would never learn anything as a society and develop new technologies. What makes a person a moron is when they become dependent or controlled by that substance and can no longer live as a "normal" person.

Damn True

01-15-2003, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by johnny33fb
Originally posted by Damn True
"Riiiiiight.

So, would you be willing to get aboard a 747 with a stoned pilot?
If you say anything other than no, you are lying to me and to yourself.

I know enough to be sure that only a complete moron would put that stuff in his/her body. "

So you consider anyone who has ever put mj in their body a complete moron... please thats just a stupid answer. Many people have tried it and decided that its not for them. Do you know how many presidents have used mj, or successful people the list is endless. Using something once in awhile or trying something doesn't make you a moron but rather lets you grow, try new things, and it everyone had a view like or thats stupid or thats not right we would never learn anything as a society and develop new technologies. What makes a person a moron is when they become dependent or controlled by that substance and can no longer live as a "normal" person.

A bit too much extrapolation.

When one is young and stupid one will do stupid things. When we grow up we put the stupid things behind us. I tried it. Didn't like it. Never used it again. Knowing what I know about it, I don't understand why anyone would.

If someone contiues to use something that causes that kind of damage to thier body and exposes them to the risks caused by impairment, and the potential judicial reprecussions they either have yet to grow up, or are a moron.

Note, the above description sounds an awful lot like the description of most addictions dosne't it?

mrbigisbudgood

01-15-2003, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Damn True

If someone contiues to use something that causes that kind of damage to thier body and exposes them to the risks caused by impairment, and the potential judicial reprecussions they either have yet to grow up, or are a moron.

I reckon you might have offended a few people with this statement.

Damn True

01-15-2003, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
I reckon you might have offended a few people with this statement.

It is the definition of an addiction. If that offends, it is probably because the truth often hurts.

mrbigisbudgood

01-15-2003, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Damn True
It is the definition of an addiction. If that offends, it is probably because the truth often hurts.

The moron part was completely unnecessary.

D_D

01-15-2003, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by Damn True
A bit too much extrapolation.

When one is young and stupid one will do stupid things. When we grow up we put the stupid things behind us. I tried it. Didn't like it. Never used it again. Knowing what I know about it, I don't understand why anyone would.

If someone contiues to use something that causes that kind of damage to thier body and exposes them to the risks caused by impairment, and the potential judicial reprecussions they either have yet to grow up, or are a moron.

Note, the above description sounds an awful lot like the description of most addictions dosne't it?

I have never met a person who does not do something that is harmfull because in their view it's benifits outweigh the drawbacks.

Everybody takes substances into their body that are harmfull but provide benifits. Oxygen is an example, obviously vital for life but breathing it could kill you. Fatty foods, taking a journey in a car all could kill.

You call people who make these decisions differrent to you morons, nothing like an open mind I suspose.

The only things I am addicted to are breathing, eating and removeing the waste.