Wow, talk about ballsy. Guess Kim hasn't gotten enough attention from Obama.
The North Korean government stated that if South Korea joined the United States in an effort to search ships for nuclear weapons, it is declaring war. The North would attack the South if any of its ships were searched. It also said it was no longer tied to the 1953 truce that served as a shaky end to the three-year Korean War. link (http://www.upi.com/news/issueoftheday/2009/05/27/Obama-faces-North-Korean-war-threat/UPI-38061243436131/)
Seems to me we have more incentive to go to battle with North Korea, considering we do have proof of WMD there, they're ruled by a rotten dictator and we would like to spread some democracy that way.
So, what do we do with an overtasked military fighting 2 wars right now? More sanctions? They're already the most heavily sanctioned nation in the world.
Side with South Korea? Ignore a declaration of war?
Is this just a testing of Obama's resolve and intentions to North Korea?
Thoughts?
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Silver
05-27-2009, 11:39 AM
As long as you don't mind sacrificing Seoul, it sounds like a good idea.
I wonder what the South Koreans think about that?
Transcend
05-27-2009, 12:10 PM
The problem is you will not spread democracy in the North. The entire country adores dear leader.
AngryMetalsmith
05-27-2009, 12:12 PM
I thought this thread was going to be about Hawkeye and Hot Lips.
splat
05-27-2009, 12:35 PM
What do the Chinese think about all this , after all they do share a border. and they after all would not like the US getting so close, as has been proven in the past.
sanjuro
05-27-2009, 01:00 PM
What do the Chinese think about all this , after all they do share a border. and they after all would not like the US getting so close, as has been proven in the past.
That would be nice if China might get involved diplomatically. Save us all a bunch of bloodshed...
BurlyShirley
05-27-2009, 01:52 PM
I sure hope Im too old to get drafted.
Seriously, WTF are we still doing dicking around in Iraq and Assramistan? What good is having a powerful military if its consistently kept in a position where it's useless should an actual dyer situation arise?
And WTF do the Koreans actually want? A little bit of legitimacy? What are the implications of granting them some? Maybe actually talking to them instead of making threats would be a good place to start.
Secret Squirrel
05-27-2009, 02:28 PM
I sure hope Im too old to get drafted.
Seriously, WTF are we still doing dicking around in Iraq and Assramistan? What good is having a powerful military if its consistently kept in a position where it's useless should an actual dyer situation arise?
And WTF do the Koreans actually want? A little bit of legitimacy? What are the implications of granting them some? Maybe actually talking to them instead of making threats would be a good place to start.
Every single video out of that country is in black & white...that's how you know people are evil...when they're in black & white.
:biggrin:
jimmydean
05-27-2009, 02:50 PM
I sure hope Im too old to get drafted.
Seriously, WTF are we still doing dicking around in Iraq and Assramistan? What good is having a powerful military if its consistently kept in a position where it's useless should an actual dyer situation arise?
And WTF do the Koreans actually want? A little bit of legitimacy? What are the implications of granting them some? Maybe actually talking to them instead of making threats would be a good place to start.
BS, the bleeding heart liberal. :panic:
I agree 100%, but I've been saying it for 6 years now. ANA is a must situation, but it got back burnered when W wanted to hit Iraq. Over the next year we will pull out of Iraq and hope to finish ANA.
The issue is the HUGE hole in our force numbers that may never recover. You should be past your 8 years, though. So I think you are ok.
dante
05-27-2009, 03:01 PM
Awesome timing, I head over to S. Korea next Wed for a couple of days...
ohio
05-27-2009, 03:02 PM
The entire country adores dear leader.
Are you being sarcastic?
kidwoo
05-27-2009, 03:15 PM
The entire country adores dear leader.
Somebody's been watching some ronery.
Hey china. If n. korea blows us up, you're not gettin your money. Think about that!!!!!!!!!
Transcend
05-27-2009, 08:08 PM
Are you being sarcastic?
:biggrin:
pain
05-27-2009, 09:09 PM
going into war time production would definitely bring us out of the recession.
kidwoo
05-27-2009, 10:05 PM
going into war time production would definitely bring us out of the recession.
(warning: digression)
I love this WWII thinking.
Worked then right?
We were still in kind of a hole then and the spending for the war helped boost the economy the argument goes.
What if there were no war? Couldn't the gubbamint just have done the exact same thing with the exact same results? Not like those planes got paid for once they carried out their mission. So here we have a bailout plan with massive gubbamint spending, and some of the same people who often make the WWII argument think this is different. Blows my mind.
Not directed at you so much.....uh...'pain' but being the embodiment of physical suffering yourself, I'm sure you can share my angst. It's not like there's anything special about war instruments per se. We could duplicate 'wartime spending' without punching lil' chubby cheeks Il.
Silver
05-27-2009, 10:34 PM
(warning: digression)
I love this WWII thinking.
Worked then right?
We were still in kind of a hole then and the spending for the war helped boost the economy the argument goes.
What if there were no war? Couldn't the gubbamint just have done the exact same thing with the exact same results? Not like those planes got paid for once they carried out their mission. So here we have a bailout plan with massive gubbamint spending, and some of the same people who often make the WWII argument think this is different. Blows my mind.
Not directed at you so much.....uh...'pain' but being the embodiment of physical suffering yourself, I'm sure you can share my angst. It's not like there's anything special about war instruments per se. We could duplicate 'wartime spending' without punching lil' chubby cheeks Il.
You sure you're an American? You aren't aware that military spending doesn't count as spending? That's one of the rules, man. Everyone knows Jesus pays for it...
MMike
05-28-2009, 10:46 AM
Maybe I'm missing something...but hasn't the US already been at war for the past few years? That didn't fix the economy?
Maybe more wars are required then.
RenegadeRick
05-28-2009, 11:53 AM
Maybe I'm missing something...but hasn't the US already been at war for the past few years? That didn't fix the economy?
Maybe more wars are required then.
Yeah. Good point. We should try and do more of what already isn't working :rolleyes:
kidwoo
05-28-2009, 12:01 PM
Yeah. Good point. We should try and do more of what already isn't working :rolleyes:
It's getting to be that every time you post, I get this incredibly lucid visualization of a 15 year old kid sprinting full bore, head first into a cinderblock wall. He then of course bounces off it.
stosh
05-28-2009, 12:15 PM
If N. Korea is dismantled who will be the new spokes person for the LL Bean winter jacket.
That reminds me of something really crappy I noticed recently.
Did you know LLBean has started manufacturing a bunch of their clothes in Asia now? WTF?
Nobody make anything in the US anymore. I had to special order US-made newbalances for like $40 more than what the normal ones cost.
Westy
05-28-2009, 12:56 PM
(warning: digression)
I love this WWII thinking.
Worked then right?
We were still in kind of a hole then and the spending for the war helped boost the economy the argument goes.
What if there were no war? Couldn't the gubbamint just have done the exact same thing with the exact same results? Not like those planes got paid for once they carried out their mission. So here we have a bailout plan with massive gubbamint spending, and some of the same people who often make the WWII argument think this is different. Blows my mind.
Not directed at you so much.....uh...'pain' but being the embodiment of physical suffering yourself, I'm sure you can share my angst. It's not like there's anything special about war instruments per se. We could duplicate 'wartime spending' without punching lil' chubby cheeks Il.
Building schools and giving people healthcare is for faggots and hippies. Real Americans stimulate the economy by killing people.
Westy
05-28-2009, 12:58 PM
That reminds me of something really crappy I noticed recently.
Did you know LLBean has started manufacturing a bunch of their clothes in Asia now? WTF?
Nobody make anything in the US anymore. I had to special order US-made newbalances for like $40 more than what the normal ones cost.
I wanted to buy a cast iron frying pan. They are either made in China or Italy. We definately can make a better pan than the Italians. Difference is US consumers want the cheapest, US corporations want the most profits. Doesn't work quite like that in Europe.
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 01:10 PM
I wanted to buy a cast iron frying pan. They are either made in China or Italy. We definately can make a better pan than the Italians. Difference is US consumers want the cheapest, US corporations want the most profits. Doesn't work quite like that in Europe.
I have a Lodge Cast Iron skillet. I think I bought it at basspro, and they're made in the states. TN I think.
http://www.lodgemfg.com/
stosh
05-28-2009, 01:13 PM
That reminds me of something really crappy I noticed recently.
Did you know LLBean has started manufacturing a bunch of their clothes in Asia now? WTF?
Nobody make anything in the US anymore. I had to special order US-made newbalances for like $40 more than what the normal ones cost.
New Balances? Do you teach Gym?
That is pretty disturbing that LL Bean doesn't make them in the US. Same return policy though?
stosh
05-28-2009, 01:14 PM
I have a Lodge Cast Iron skillet. I think I bought it at basspro, and they're made in the states. TN I think.
http://www.lodgemfg.com/
Now I'm hungry for Corn Bread.
Westy
05-28-2009, 01:15 PM
I have a Lodge Cast Iron skillet. I think I bought it at basspro, and they're made in the states. TN I think.
http://www.lodgemfg.com/
I know a crazy redneck who built his own smelter. I might just try to make my own.
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 01:16 PM
New Balances? Do you teach Gym?
That is pretty disturbing that LL Bean doesn't make them in the US. Same return policy though?
Fvck if I know, but who cares now? Might as well buy it at old navy for 1/5th the price.
As for the NBs, it's the only US made tennis shoe I know of, and you have to search for the US made ones.
AngryMetalsmith
05-28-2009, 01:31 PM
That reminds me of something really crappy I noticed recently.
Did you know LLBean has started manufacturing a bunch of their clothes in Asia now? WTF?
Nobody make anything in the US anymore. I had to special order US-made newbalances for like $40 more than what the normal ones cost.
That's not true.
The US is the world leader in production of obese consumers. No other country can come close to us in number of ham armed, giant SUV driving, fast food scarfing sloth piles.
Amurika, fuk yeah we're number one ! Pass the gravy.
stosh
05-28-2009, 01:33 PM
Fvck if I know, but who cares now? Might as well buy it at old navy for 1/5th the price.
As for the NBs, it's the only US made tennis shoe I know of, and you have to search for the US made ones.
My wife bought a book shelf from "The Christmas Tree Shop" and it was made in China of course. It's still off gassing 2 weeks later. The first week I told my wife we had to leave it outside is smelled so bad. F'ing China crap!
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 01:38 PM
I have made a conscious effort to buy only US made products whenever possible, and it's had some interesting benefits. I find I actually buy less crap overall because it's such a pain in the ass and so expensive to get anything worthwhile.
I'll feel a lot better when we get rid of the POS Sentra in the driveway too.
Still, I cant always do it though. There are certain things you just cant find made here anymore, or if they are the costs are simply exhorbitant. A jacket is a perfect example of that.
MMike
05-28-2009, 01:40 PM
A jacket is a perfect example of that.
You could go to yellowstone, hunt a buffalo and make your own.....
stosh
05-28-2009, 01:43 PM
I have made a conscious effort to buy only US made products whenever possible, and it's had some interesting benefits. I find I actually buy less crap overall because it's such a pain in the ass and so expensive to get anything worthwhile.
I'll feel a lot better when we get rid of the POS Sentra in the driveway too.
Still, I cant always do it though. There are certain things you just cant find made here anymore, or if they are the costs are simply exhorbitant. A jacket is a perfect example of that.
Until the US Automakers prove to me that they can make a small dependable economy car I'll still buy Toyota and Honda. Oh and they need to prove they can stay in business.
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 01:55 PM
Until the US Automakers prove to me that they can make a small dependable economy car I'll still buy Toyota and Honda. Oh and they need to prove they can stay in business.
Ford Focus has been on par for a bit now, according to what I've read. Im sure someone will chime in with some allegedly contradictory evidence stating otherwise, but they are pretty nice little cars.
And besides, as a man you should be driving a Ranger anyway.
Westy
05-28-2009, 02:10 PM
The only problem with the ford focus is they really grandma up the styling for the US market. European versions actually look pretty cool. Even honda offers watered down models in the US compared to ones available in Europe. Are americans that boring or is it just the old folk baby boomer influence that is watering down their market research?
stosh
05-28-2009, 02:28 PM
Ford Focus has been on par for a bit now, according to what I've read. Im sure someone will chime in with some allegedly contradictory evidence stating otherwise, but they are pretty nice little cars.
And besides, as a man you should be driving a Ranger anyway.
If I had the extra $ I would buy a ford truck. Some of the new small trucks put out by the US Automakers are pretty nice.
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 02:39 PM
I like how the 09 Model looks almost identical to my 1994 truck. :rofl:
Only they dont come in eggplant. If I ever need a new truck, I'll get another Ranger. I've never been so pleased with a vehicle.
Well thats good to hear, they are fugly though. You got a 4wd? What was this thread about?
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 02:45 PM
Well thats good to hear, they are fugly though. You got a 4wd? What was this thread about?
I dont have a 4x4, but it's not really a need with my lifestyle although it would be nice to have I suppose. They say 4x4 will get you into trouble far more often than it will get you out, and I've had a couple jeeps so I know that to be true.
jimmydean
05-28-2009, 03:14 PM
I like how the 09 Model looks almost identical to my 1994 truck. :rofl:
Only they dont come in eggplant. If I ever need a new truck, I'll get another Ranger. I've never been so pleased with a vehicle.
Man up and get a used diesel. I get damn near the same mileage out of my F350 as I did with my Toyota and I can haul twice the crap. My '99 only has 130k on it and was $7200 (I got a great deal). GFF's truck is damn nice, but there's no way in hell I would spend $50k on it.
As far as being made here, I'm not sure it is. But I run B99 that is made 100% in Oregon, so I'm a patriot AND a hippie.
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 03:19 PM
If I buy a diesel it will be used, and either be a rabbit pickup or a vanagon diesel, or I suppose possibly a BMW or Volvo diesel wagon. I just have no need for a huge truck, and new ones are so freaking expensive.
jimmydean
05-28-2009, 03:25 PM
If I buy a diesel it will be used, and either be a rabbit pickup or a vanagon diesel, or I suppose possibly a BMW or Volvo diesel wagon. I just have no need for a huge truck, and new ones are so freaking expensive.
$7200 as it sits (minus the moto):
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q116/jimmydean69/1240617008.jpg
I get 18mpg on average and I haven't done any mods yet. I could get as much as 22mpg when I'm all done. Even with my daughters car seat (huge Recaro), all 3 of us in the cab is roomy. I can fit both quads, my dirt bike, and my camping box of gear in the bed with the tailgate shut.
Only downfall it it's a foot too long to fit in the garage.
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 03:37 PM
Sweet ride man.
Fvck Korea.
kidwoo
05-28-2009, 04:28 PM
They say 4x4 will get you into trouble far more often than it will get you out, and I've had a couple jeeps so I know that to be true.
Anyone that applies to owns a vagina. It may not even be attached but they own it. Keep in a drawer.....talk to it.... Definitely not to be trusted.
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 04:29 PM
Anyone that applies to owns a vagina. .
I call it Jennifer, or "wife".
MMike
05-28-2009, 04:36 PM
Ford Focus has been on par for a bit now, according to what I've read. Im sure someone will chime in with some allegedly contradictory evidence stating otherwise, but they are pretty nice little cars.
And besides, as a man you should be driving a Ranger anyway.
My experience is purely anecdotal...and a single data point....but a buddy has one and doesn't like it. Not exactly scientific...
kidwoo
05-28-2009, 04:42 PM
I call it Jennifer, or "wife".
Good to see some old south in ya boy!
X3pilot
05-28-2009, 05:21 PM
If N. Korea is dismantled who will be the new spokes person for the LL Bean winter jacket.
Are those extra big hats supposed to make up for the fact those people are fuggin' midgets??
It'd be like going to war with Willy Wonka and the Oompa Loompas
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 07:32 PM
My experience is purely anecdotal...and a single data point....but a buddy has one and doesn't like it. Not exactly scientific...
Well I guess you've settled that argument on your own then. :cheers:
MMike
05-28-2009, 07:41 PM
Well I guess you've settled that argument on your own then. :cheers:
Look at me! I'm useful!
Arakyne needs to do the same thing to the Kim photo....adding "boo" that is....
stevew
05-28-2009, 07:51 PM
If I buy a diesel it will be used, and either be a rabbit pickup or a vanagon diesel,
vanagon diesels are few and far between...if they exist at all....and the engine in it will put out 40-50 hp at the max....they have all the aerodynamics of a shed...i think you'd be losing money.
diesel rabbits and rabbit pickups are getting to be over priced....sometimes you can find a cheap one..
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 07:53 PM
vanagon diesels are few and far between...if they exist at all....and the engine in it will put out 40-50 hp at the max....they have all the aerodynamics of a shed...i think you'd be losing money.
diesel rabbits and rabbit pickups are getting to be over priced....sometimes you can find a cheap one..
I may well have the name of the diesel VW van Im thinking of wrong, but I see them every so often. Did they offer the Eurovan in diesel? That'd be nice.
Some dude here in town wanted to trade a rabbit pickup for the pickup I have now, but I couldnt go through with it as it wasnt in real hot shape aesthetically.
stevew
05-28-2009, 07:56 PM
I may well have the name of the diesel VW van Im thinking of wrong, but I see them every so often. Did they offer the Eurovan in diesel? That'd be nice.
Some dude here in town wanted to trade a rabbit pickup for the pickup I have now, but I couldnt go through with it as it wasnt in real hot shape aesthetically.
eurovans...not sure..
i thought diesel vanagons were unicorns until i found one (http://www.biodieselnow.com/forums/t/19450.aspx).
BurlyShirley
05-28-2009, 07:58 PM
Man, that would be a sweet find.
stevew
05-28-2009, 08:07 PM
diesel eurovans were euro only....
a syncro vanagon would be nice...front and rear diff locks
If I get one of those Im getting a huge wizard air brushed on the side. :rofl:
REally? I'd airbrush "boo" on it.....
stosh
05-29-2009, 06:54 AM
$7200 as it sits (minus the moto):
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q116/jimmydean69/1240617008.jpg
I get 18mpg on average and I haven't done any mods yet. I could get as much as 22mpg when I'm all done. Even with my daughters car seat (huge Recaro), all 3 of us in the cab is roomy. I can fit both quads, my dirt bike, and my camping box of gear in the bed with the tailgate shut.
Only downfall it it's a foot too long to fit in the garage.
I am so jealous of that truck!!!
If it had an extended cab I would come and steal it from you.
sanjuro
05-29-2009, 12:42 PM
Steering this back to the topic, check out the Cribz!
Google Maps of Il-Jong Kim's mansions! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30970772/)
stevew
05-29-2009, 07:55 PM
If I get one of those Im getting a huge wizard air brushed on the side. :rofl:
i'm all about murals on vans
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2070/mural.jpg
kidwoo
05-29-2009, 10:08 PM
Whoa.
that's a lot of fantasy
BurlyShirley
05-30-2009, 12:26 PM
I used to see this van all the time when I was a kid painted exactly like Gravedigger. Can you imagine the ho's you could pull in that thing in 1986?
Just don't get the diesel version.... they tend to be handgrenades. :(
Da Peach
05-31-2009, 10:23 PM
Just don't get the diesel version.... they tend to be handgrenades. :(
They're all over the place here in Vancouver. Not sure how they'd hold up back east. I doubt any mechanics would know what to do with them either...
They sure look cool though.
DaveW
06-01-2009, 03:02 AM
Yeah pretty cool... Can be a bit tippy though off road and on reverse camber corners.
not much weight over the rear axles so the back can step out a bit I found in ice or wet roads.
But in general the petrol ones give good bang for the buck. :)
MMike
06-04-2009, 11:05 AM
Well I guess you've settled that argument on your own then. :cheers:
I take it back. I was behind this in line at the drive-thru at lunch.
