death penalty for child rapists

[LordOpie]

WASHINGTON - Proponents and opponents of imposing the death penalty for rape of a child underwent intense questioning Wednesday from a seemingly divided Supreme Court.

link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080416/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_child_rape)

How is this not already in place?

I disagree with the death penalty for any reason, but raping a child is equal to or worse than any other crime that yields the death penalty.

[SPINTECK]

Maybe b/c children have a tendancy to lie once in a while??

I'm against execution by the state for any reason b/c any system created by man is not perfect. But how could any state justify this law before DNA evidence?? People in this country love to kill people, just hope you never get caught "in the system".

Now if someone raped my kid, I'd kill 'em. But I don't represent an entire civilized society.

[LordOpie]

Maybe b/c children have a tendancy to lie once in a while??

I'm against execution by the state for any reason b/c any system created by man is not perfect. But how could any state justify this law before DNA evidence?? People in this country love to kill people, just hope you never get caught "in the system".

Now if someone raped my kid, I'd kill 'em. But I don't represent an entire civilized society.

The punishment is a seperate issue from the conviction. Regardless of whether it's a slap on the wrist or death penalty, they shouldn't convict someone if the evidence is lacking.

I agree with you that the death penalty is wrong, but you must agree that raping a child is as bad as any other crime that yields the death penalty, yeah?

[SPINTECK]

Deep philosphical question. There sure would be a lot of dead priests right now.

[LordOpie]

There sure would be a lot of dead priests right now.

They should suffer a worse punishment than a ped. Anyone in a position of trust should be tortured.

Any reason why you won't answer the question?

[Westy]

Cool so now when an 18 year old sleeps with their 16 year old GF they can be killed?

[kidwoo]

Jesus christ, you people lose all creativity once you have some friggin crotch fruit.


Death penalty is stupid. Thrown naked into a pile of peanuts in an elephant cage during mating season however.......

[Silver]

You have an untenable philosophical position there Opie...unless you think that being raped is worse than being murdered? How'd you square that circle?

[LordOpie]

You have an untenable philosophical position there Opie...unless you think that being raped is worse than being murdered? How'd you square that circle?
Eh, I'm a geometric anomaly.

Cool so now when an 18 year old sleeps with their 16 year old GF they can be killed?

Yes, because the court system never ever considers such things. They are always B&W in their decisions and every crime gets exactly the same punishment.

[LordOpie]

Jesus christ, you people lose all creativity once you have some friggin crotch fruit.

Raping a child is creative?

:think:

[Westy]

Yes, because the court system never ever considers such things. They are always B&W in their decisions and every crime gets exactly the same punishment.


In theory circumstances are considered but in reality it does not always happen because of several reasons including politics. What is worse punishing the possibly innocent, in this point death, or not punishing the guilty enough?

In the end this is all about vengeance and not prevention or proper punishment. The practice in this country would be to spend millions to put a rapist to death but we probably wouldn't drop a dime to help the victim.

[LordOpie]

In theory circumstances are considered but in reality it does not always happen because of several reasons including politics. What is worse punishing the possibly innocent, in this point death, or not punishing the guilty enough?

In the end this is all about vengeance and not prevention or proper punishment. The practice in this country would be to spend millions to put a rapist to death but we probably wouldn't drop a dime to help the victim.

Wow, is no one bothering to read my repeated, "I'm against the death penalty" statement?

[SPINTECK]

They should suffer a worse punishment than a ped. Anyone in a position of trust should be tortured.

Any reason why you won't answer the question?


I didn't answer the question b/c I haven't thought enough about it to take a position on it- i have to be at work, but I don't have to overwork my mind:) I don't believe in execution by the state, so I'm taking a position on a hypothetical that I don't believe in. So "but you must agree that raping a child is as bad as any other crime that yields the death penalty, yeah?"

Is it as bad as killing a child?? Is it as bad as pimping out a child?? Is it as bad a child pornographers?? These are also crimes that rank high or higher in my opinion. So do I agree that raping a child is as bad as killing them?? Probably not as bad as killing them all things being equal. Counter point?

[kidwoo]

Raping a child is creative?

:think:

No.


Defaulting to the death penalty as a cure all is LACK OF CREATIVITY.


Get some sleep man. ;)

[LordOpie]

No.


Defaulting to the death penalty as a cure all is LACK OF CREATIVITY.


Get some sleep man. ;)

Please point out where I advocate the death penalty or stfu.

[kidwoo]

Please point out where I advocate the death penalty or stfu.

It's a sad day when I can't be sarcastic with the pie lord. :(

[$tinkle]

You have an untenable philosophical position there Opie...unless you think that being raped is worse than being murdered? How'd you square that circle?when my wife worked at the arapahoe co jail dude screamed he was going to kill her, and then rape her.

jokes on him...D

[jimmydean]

I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, but when you have jails as crowded as they are, I think it's an option.

When it comes to child rape (as in under the age of 13 or some other arbitrary number = child) I say a public execution is certainly in order.

[ohio]

if you believe that raping a child is worse than killing a child, you must believe the child is better off dead than raped. therefore, you should kill any child that has been raped.

this thread is making me hungry.

[SPINTECK]

I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, but when you have jails as crowded as they are, I think it's an option.

When it comes to child rape (as in under the age of 13 or some other arbitrary number = child) I say a public execution is certainly in order.

So you're okay with killing people only if it will save you money???

[LordOpie]

It's a sad day when I can't be sarcastic with the pie lord. :(

oh , you were being funny?

fail.

[LordOpie]

I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, but when you have jails as crowded as they are, I think it's an option.
they should the pot smokrs go.

Free Weed!

[$tinkle]

if you believe that raping a child is worse than killing a child, you must believe the child is better off dead than raped. therefore, you should kill any child that has been raped.unless you can rape the child in its sleep
this thread is making me hungry.my camp counselor was partial to pigs in a blanket. hope that helped.

[Westy]

Wow, is no one bothering to read my repeated, "I'm against the death penalty" statement?

I will not read any of your posts that are longer than one sentence. I am afraid it might contain subliminal messages that will make me a slave of the Zionist conspiracy.

[LordOpie]

I will not read any of your posts that are longer than one sentence. I am afraid it might contain subliminal messages that will make me a slave of the Zionist conspiracy.

Fair enough...D

[$tinkle]

I will not read any of your posts that are longer than one sentence. I am afraid it might contain subliminal messages that will make me a slave of the Zionist conspiracy.that makes no sense. you can't get them to shut up as it is, and when they start nattering on about global domination it's time to call the baby sitter & let them know you'll be home a few hours late...D

[black noise]

I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, but when you have jails as crowded as they are, I think it's an option.

"Oh my, we have a lot of people in these prisons. I have an idea. Let's not build more prisons, or reserve prisons for violent offenders (keeping nonviolent offenders, such as those in for drug charges, out), let's cull the population. Let's kill these people because they cost taxpayers too much money."

Please re-read what you wrote and come back in a few minutes.

[ire]

I think it should be considered as a punishment for repeat offenders, but I'm the camp that thinks life in prison is a worse punishment than death. I also don't think it will act as a deterrent.

Did anyone see that show a while back that had "sexual offenders" on it, and it was kids who had sex with each other and a parent called the police? The thing I hate is that we lump all sex crimes together, so the guy who has sex with his girlfriend thats 2 years younger has to register (for life) and be posted on the same site with the child rapist.

[jasride]

Should you get the death penalty for any other reason than killing somebody else? I'm all about the eye for an eye so I'm not sure a raping would equal a death sentence. But like spinteck said, i would probably kill the **cker myself.

[OrthoPT]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c174/orthopt/londondungeon.jpg
I say bring back the Public Stocks.

[$tinkle]

elementary schools here are well-stocked

[pain]

There is a faded line with kids, I think there should be a new classification of people who are aged from 14-18.

[LordOpie]

There is a faded line with kids, I think there should be a new classification of people who are aged from 14-18.

I agree completely. HUGE difference between a 15 yo and an 8 yo.

[stevew]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c174/orthopt/londondungeon.jpg
I say bring back the Public Stocks.
In Japan you pay for that....

[$tinkle]

I agree completely. HUGE difference between a 15 yo and an 8 yo.what do do about in between?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B9fEvgzO0Q

[jimmydean]

Please re-read what you wrote and come back in a few minutes.

How many sex offenders have been let out due to overcrowding and re-offend? More than one, and that is too many. Had they been killed after the first offense, the second would not have happened.

If they went away and stayed away, then death might not have to be an option. But when criminals get let out early (and not for good behavior) to continue the crime spree, maybe killing them off aint so bad.

Crimes against a child are high on my list of people to kill.

[black noise]

How many sex offenders have been let out due to overcrowding and re-offend? More than one, and that is too many. Had they been killed after the first offense, the second would not have happened.

1. Overcrowding should be solved by any other means than killing prisoners off. If we let anyone out, make it nonviolent offenders. There's a list a mile long of people in jail for crimes much less dangerous to the public than a sex offender.

2. Show me a single example of a child rapist let out too early specifically because the prisons are too crowded. Trust me, if they need to kick people out, they could kick a drug dealer or user out before a child rapist.

3. The issue of people let out, then commiting crimes again could be solved not by killing them just to be safe, but by better evaluating them, better rehabilitating them, etc etc. This problem sits with judges and courts, not prisons being overcrowded.

[stevew]

3. The issue of people let out, then commiting crimes again could be solved not by killing them just to be safe, but by better evaluating them, better rehabilitating them, etc etc.
How about castrating rapists as a form of rehabilitation?

The ones who rape 12-13 year olds and under.

[$tinkle]

1. Overcrowding should be solved by any other means than killing prisoners off. If we let anyone out, make it nonviolent offenders. There's a list a mile long of people in jail for crimes much less dangerous to the public than a sex offender.possession & distribution of kiddie pr0n is non-violent. now i wonder how many child rapists have kiddie pr0n? gotta keep that fire burning, y'know

[SlapheadMofo]

I'm all for cruel and unusual death sentences for child rapists, but there would need to be some sort of requirement for overwhelming evidence of guilt, beyond what you'd need for a 'regular' conviction.

[ohio]

Child rapists? I want to know what this world is coming to when so many children are becoming rapists.

[$tinkle]

Child rapists? I want to know what this world is coming to when so many children are becoming rapists.sad. truly sad. they need therapy, specifically from this guy, for $200:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/6f/Celebrity_Jeopardy_-_Jap_Anus_Relations.png

[jimmydean]

stuff

I was using overcrowding as an additional reason to kill child offenders, not the sole reason.

Watch Deliver Us from Evil (http://www.netflix.com/WatchNowSearch?v1=Deliver%20Us%20from%20Evil&search_submit.x=0&search_submit.y=0) and get back to me on how you feel. The person this movie is about was a priest in my childhood church. He worked his way through all 6 kids (2 of them are in the film) in a family I know quite well. That was only one family of many.

If that man doesn't deserve to die, then I don't know who does.

Maybe you don't have kids, or maybe you are partial to rape. But for me, rape should be a death sentence, child rape is 100X worse.

[ohio]

I was using overcrowding as an additional reason to kill child offenders, not the sole reason.

Watch Deliver Us from Evil (http://www.netflix.com/WatchNowSearch?v1=Deliver%20Us%20from%20Evil&search_submit.x=0&search_submit.y=0) and get back to me on how you feel. The person this movie is about was a priest in my childhood church. He worked his way through all 6 kids (2 of them are in the film) in a family I know quite well. That was only one family of many.

If that man doesn't deserve to die, then I don't know who does.

Maybe you don't have kids, or maybe you are partial to rape. But for me, rape should be a death sentence, child rape is 100X worse.
His point is that they are two separate issues. One is what the penalty should be for raping a child. The other is what to do about overcrowding.

If you choose to impose a death penalty you do it for their crime, not because you ran out of space.

[SPINTECK]

If you choose to impose a death penalty you do it for their crime, not because you ran out of space.

Yes. I hear this arguement a lot "what are we going to do w/them or who is going to pay for that." To me, I don't see the logic in that arguement b/c you imposing death merely for financial reasons, which is a very tough position to win in a debate in a civilized society.

I feel bad for all those guys killed before DNA evidence. Do we kill the executioner, judge or jury if the prisoner killed was proved innocent or is just their bad luck??

[LordOpie]

I feel bad for all those guys killed before DNA evidence. Do we kill the executioner, judge or jury if the prisoner killed was proved innocent or is just their bad luck??

There shouldn't be any more accidents these days. If an innocent person goes to jail, it's cuz someone intentionally screwed him over.

There's a guy here who got out a month or so ago who was in jail for years cuz the DA fixed the evidence to close the case and further his career. I say the DA should be in jail, but that's still be discussed :rant:

[jimmydean]

His point is that they are two separate issues. One is what the penalty should be for raping a child. The other is what to do about overcrowding.

If you choose to impose a death penalty you do it for their crime, not because you ran out of space.

My point is I know they are separate issues. But they are also compounding issues. I don't think they should go to jail at all. They should just be shot on site and then it's a non-issue.

[OrthoPT]

In Japan you pay for that....

same with Germany, except it'd be bodily fluids.

[SPINTECK]

Maybe you should just give them foster children after they have been reformed?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/17/sex.offenders.daycare.ap/index.html



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Sex offenders living at child care facilities, audit saysStory Highlights
California audit compared addresses of sex offenders with child care facilities

Audit found matches for 46 facilities like daycare centers, foster care homes

All 46 inspected Monday; some already had suspended licenses

Two foster kids removed from a home; officials say no signs any abuse occurred

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SACRAMENTO, California (AP) -- The state social services agency was moving Wednesday to shut down nine homes used for child day care and foster care after an audit found registered sex offenders living there, in violation of state law.

The revelation came after state auditors compared the addresses of 75,000 licensed facilities, including foster family homes and in-home day care centers, with the state's database of registered sex offenders.

California Department of Social Services Director John Wagner said the audit found that the addresses of 49 sex offenders matched those of 46 child care facilities.

The department was able to confirm nine of the cases during inspections of all 46 facilities that were completed Monday, Wagner said.

Three license suspensions already are in effect: two in Los Angeles and one in San Bernardino. One offender had been convicted of sexual battery, and the other two had been convicted of oral copulation with a minor, said Larry Bolton, the department's chief lawyer.

Two foster children were removed Wednesday by Los Angeles authorities responding to one of the cases, Wagner said. In another case, a sex offender was living in a home with three children and two grandchildren.

Investigators are interviewing the children who had contact in each of the homes or day care centers.

"We haven't finished the interviews, but no indication yet" that any child was actually abused, Bolton said.

The department would not immediately give details on the other six pending suspensions.

The Bureau of State Audits asked for the department's database of licensed facilities in November, but the social services agency did not learn of the matches with sex offenders until last week, Wagner said. The audit is due for release Tuesday.

Of the 46 address matches, 25 were in Los Angeles, eight in the Central Valley, seven in the San Francisco Bay area, four in San Diego and one each in San Bernardino and Sacramento.

In most cases, the department's inspectors could not verify that a sex offender was living at the address or found that the offender was there but children were not present.

It is a violation of state law for day care and foster care licensees not to report the names of any adults living in or associated with their facilities, Wagner said.

The Department of Social Services needs that information to conduct background checks on the license holder and others living at the home or child care center. Had the department discovered that a resident was a sex offender, the license would have been denied or suspended, Wagner said.

Three of the 49 sex offenders are on parole, but none was found to be living in improper housing, said Gordon Hinkle, a spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

One of the three was living in an elder care facility that occasionally might have taken in foster care children. That person was moved Wednesday as a precaution, Hinkle said.

State Auditor Elaine Howle declined to comment about the Department of Social Services action Wednesday. E-mail to a friend

[BMXman]

How about castrating rapists as a form of rehabilitation?

The ones who rape 12-13 year olds and under.


you do not need a penis to rape someone:crazy:

[LordOpie]

you do not need a penis to rape someone:crazy:

In those cases, rip off the bitch's tits!

[stevew]

you do not need a penis to rape someone:crazy:
Fine.

"Rehabilitate" them and let them live in a group home next door to you.

If you like sticking your penis in a little girl/boy and have been caught and convicted of doing it multiple times, it should be removed.

But yet you want to understand polygamy (http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200818)?:crazy:

[BMXman]

Fine.

"Rehabilitate" them and let them live in a group home next door to you.

If you like sticking your penis in a little girl/boy and have been caught and convicted of doing it multiple times, it should be removed.

But yet you want to understand polygamy (http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200818)?:crazy:


WTF is wrong with you? I just said you don't need a penis to rape someone...everyone knows rape is not a sex act...relax a little you'll live longer...D

[MikeD]

everyone knows rape is not a sex act...relax a little you'll live longer...D

"Rape is a crime of violence, not of sex" is the biggest load of academic feminist CRAP ever foisted on society. Some rape may not be about sex, but I guarantee it's in the minority...and with the majority of rapes being date- or acquaintance- rape, it's probably far more often about sex than violence, not that you can always draw a clean distinction between the two.

Nor does castration involve removing the penis. Chopping off someone's balls, however, does remove the source of testosterone that inclines a man towards sexual desire. Not saying a eunuch couldn't rape someone with a broom handle, but he's less likely to want to do so.

If rape isn't about sex, why do most rapes involve a penis?? Do you think pedophiles want to do violence to young people, not form a sexual bond or at least perform a sexual act of some sort? Why do we differentiate between rape and assault at all then??

[MikeD]

If you choose to impose a death penalty you do it for their crime, not because you ran out of space.

Or you do it for the delicious, delicious green stuff.

http://www.stomptokyo.com/img-m3/soylent-a.jpg

[valve bouncer]

"Rape is a crime of violence, not of sex" is the biggest load of academic feminist CRAP ever foisted on society. Some rape may not be about sex, but I guarantee it's in the minority...and with the majority of rapes being date- or acquaintance- rape, it's probably far more often about sex than violence, not that you can always draw a clean distinction between the two.

What are you smoking? Of course rape is about violence and control, the sexual part of it is a display of power, always has been always will be. You're forcing someone to submit to a sexual act against their will. Ask the victims how they feel about it, stop thinking from the perspective of the criminal.

[Silver]

What are you smoking? Of course rape is about violence and control, the sexual part of it is a display of power, always has been always will be. You're forcing someone to submit to a sexual act against their will. Ask the victims how they feel about it, stop thinking from the perspective of the criminal.

As MikeD pointed out, only someone without a penis could be stupid (edit: or naive) enough to assert that rape isn't about sex at all...

[valve bouncer]

As MikeD pointed out, only someone without a penis could be stupid (edit: or naive) enough to assert that rape isn't about sex at all...
Well I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that no-one in this thread has ever raped anyone so as far as the motivations of a rapist goes we're talking out our...ahem...arses. Seems obvious to me though that rape is primarily and overwhelmingly about violence. That reminds me- Oz is on tonight.:twitch:

[MikeD]

Beating someone's head in with a pipe is about violence.

Choosing to **** someone always has a sexual dimension. Like I said, there's no pure thing, one way or the other. But to blindly say rape as a whole has no sexual dimension, or even isn't primarily sexual, is simply laughable.

Again, most rape is done by dates/acquaintances. Do you think all these people harbor latent violence for its own sake, and choose to commit violence via their penises, or that many feel like they deserve a little piece of poon and choose to take it (through a violent act)? It's not like hitting someone to take their watch.

You think people who watch child porn, join organizations to promote their "right" to have sex with kids, and rape children are just another form of kid-beaters? There's nothing in them looking for sexual gratification? It's just a simple way of expressing their inner wish to harm kids?

[valve bouncer]

Beating someone's head in with a pipe is about violence.

Choosing to **** someone always has a sexual dimension. Like I said, there's no pure thing, one way or the other. But to blindly say rape as a whole has no sexual dimension, or even isn't primarily sexual, is simply laughable.

Again, most rape is done by dates/acquaintances. Do you think all these people harbor latent violence for its own sake, and choose to commit violence via their penises, or that many feel like they deserve a little piece of poon and choose to take it (through a violent act)? It's not like hitting someone to take their watch.

You think people who watch child porn, join organizations to promote their "right" to have sex with kids, and rape children are just another form of kid-beaters? There's nothing in them looking for sexual gratification? It's just a simple way of expressing their inner wish to harm kids?
If you can't ascertain the difference between belting someone on the scone with that pipe and shoving it up their arse then we're not going to get anywhere. To say rape is about sex is to say war is about killing people. It's not, it's a consequence of it, the real game is power.
By definition rape is assault and assault is violence, there is no way to get around that. People don't rape because they're horny, even rudimentary research into the sbject bears this out. If sex were the fundamental motivator there'd be way, way, way more sexual assaults. There exists a number of easy solutions to blue balls, importantly those methods don't risk incarceration. Why would anyone rape someone if you can have a wank or go down the knocking shop? It doesn't make sense and the only answer that makes sense is that rape is not about sex.

[ohio]

People don't rape because they're horny, even rudimentary research into the sbject bears this out...

the only answer that makes sense is that rape is not about sex.

Sorry dude, Cosmo is not a good source for "rudimentary research." While you're never going to get into the heads of every single rapist, and there a variety of primary and secondary motivators that depend on the actual instance, you're rationalizing if you try to pretend that male sex drive is not a major contributor to most rapes. Unfortunately for us all violence, control, and sex are all linked... this can result in natural, healthy relationships, or it can swing to extremes. It is both the reason many folks (men and women alike) enjoy dirty talk and rough sex, AND the reason militaries sexualize violence.

And finally, it's the reason that increased levels of testosterone from steroids results in violence, often of a sexual nature. If you don't believe testosterone and sex drive are linked to sexual assault, compare the criminal records of eunuchs to steroid users.

[Silver]

VB, if most rape isn't about sex, how come (Ha! Who says rape can't be funny?) rapists frequently leave semen behind at the scene of the crime?

[$tinkle]

i'll go ahead & assume that for most of the western/modern world, if some chick hooks up & has whore's remorse the next morning, rape charges could very well be in order, no matter how frivolous/spurious (it's not relevant, gents).

who's got control, now?

[MikeD]

If you can't ascertain the difference between belting someone on the scone with that pipe and shoving it up their arse then we're not going to get anywhere.

I agree. But since you're the one saying rape is devoid of sex, shouldn't you be the one who sees no difference between hitting someone with a pipe and ****ing them with it? I mean, rape is just violence, right?

Ed: By the way, stealing money doesn't make sense by your logic, either. I mean, you could get a job and thus get money without risk of incarceration, or your could steal it. What logical person would steal money?!

Criminals (at least the dumb ones, who are legion) don't generally do the most useful cost/benefit analyses. And looking at an often-highly-emotional crime like rape through a lens of calm logic isn't very useful for understanding it.

rapists frequently leave seamen behind at the scene of the crime?

'Cuz they're all in the Navy?

If you don't believe testosterone and sex drive are linked to sexual assault, compare the criminal records of eunuchs to steroid users.


Does your blind prejudice towards eunuchs make you:

1) an Anti-Castrite

2) a Pro-Baller

or

3) an Anti-Eunuchorn?

[Silver]

I'm glad you got rid of that double post Mike. I was going to tell you it wasn't funny enough to post once, much less twice, but I'll let it slide...

[MikeD]

I was consolidating.

[ohio]

Does your blind prejudice towards eunuchs make you:

1) an Anti-Castrite

2) a Pro-Baller

or

3) an Anti-Eunuchorn?

4) Rocky Mountain Oyster fanatic

[BMXman]

hmm...looks like we will have to agree to disagree Mike...I'm with VB on this one...maybe I should have worded it "the overwhelming majority of rape is not a sex act"....D

[ohio]

maybe I should have worded it "the overwhelming majority of rape is not a sex act"....D

And it would still be a ridiculous, unjustified statement.

Y'all need to point me to the research, because as VB (intentionally or not) pointed out, if it weren't a sex act it wouldn't involve your cock.

[binary visions]

hmm...looks like we will have to agree to disagree Mike...I'm with BV on this one...maybe I should have worded it "the overwhelming majority of rape is not a sex act"....D
I find it disturbing that my name is accidentally invoked in a thread about child rapists.

I hope that wasn't a Freudian slip.

[BMXman]

I find it disturbing that my name is accidentally invoked in a thread about child rapists.

I hope that wasn't a Freudian slip.

oops should say VB :D

[LordOpie]

oops should say VB :D

They're both cunts!


;) :D

[valve bouncer]

Y'all need to point me to the research, because as VB (intentionally or not) pointed out, if it weren't a sex act it wouldn't involve your cock.

You can be nauseatingly codescending sometimes.:plthumbsdown:
I stand by my belief that rapes are motivated by power for the most part, from my reading and having had the misfortune to meet a couple of rapists (fortunately not as the victim) it's fairly clear what the motivations are.

[$tinkle]

I stand by my belief that rapes are motivated by power for the most part, from my reading and having had the misfortune to meet a couple of rapists (fortunately not as the victim) it's fairly clear what the motivations are.and you'd be right. of course, i don't think anyone has said as clearly as you their opinion as to the motivation, but rather the description, of most rape.

for most of us (who don't have a power addiction or self-esteem problem), when feeling randy as a goat with no available port of call, we pop in a divinyls CD (Frankie for MMike) & take matters into our own hands.

i would venture to guess that our dear rapist does the same, with the added intent for a follow-up role playing appointment

[ohio]

I stand by my belief that rapes are motivated by power for the most part

I'm not going to disagree that power and control are motivators for a sexual act as an act of aggression, versus as an act of affection. What I'm saying is that the NEED for that feeling of dominance and the choice to express it via SEXUAL assault stem from a root of male sexuality. If you remove testosterone from the equation, you wouldn't see the same desire to control or dominate, and you almost certainly wouldn't see it manifest as sexual assault (e.g. women tend to dominate through emotional/psychological abuse).

So I actually think we're in agreement that rape is not about sexual GRATIFICATION.

You can be nauseatingly codescending sometimes.
I try.

edit: changed the emPHAsis

[LordOpie]

...we pop in a divinyls CD (Frankie for MMike) & take matters into our own hands....

FTW, especially that MMike selection :pirate2:

[$tinkle]

so if a juvenile is charged as an adult for a crime, goes to the pokey, gets buggered in the clink, shall his celly then earn the death penalty, or be given a pardon for accelerating the sentence?

sorry, it's the 10th hour here & as part of my normal routine i'm concockting jailhouse scenarios.

around 3 i'm available to spitball something w/ a telletubby-ghostrider theme

[jimmydean]

so if a juvenile is charged as an adult for a crime, goes to the pokey, gets buggered in the clink, shall his celly then earn the death penalty, or be given a pardon for accelerating the sentence?

If you are charged as an adult and go to prison as an adult, are you still a minor? I would say no.

[LordOpie]

What happens in prison,
stays in prison.

[$tinkle]

If you are charged as an adult and go to prison as an adult, are you still a minor? I would say no.remember this?
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=84812

10.
frikking 10.

[$tinkle]

'Basic Instinct' Director Paul Verhoeven: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352277,00.html)

if you recall that mary was likely 13 or so, then there's going to be hell to pay

[jimmydean]

remember this?
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=84812

10.
frikking 10.

My brother-in-law is a guard at the California Youth Authority (and has been for 28 years). 10 doesn't shock me anymore. There are some "kids" that aren't true to the age.

[stevew]

we pop in a divinyls CD (Frankie for MMike) & take matters into our own hands.



http://www.ozmusicscene.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/divinyls.jpg

[MikeD]

'Basic Instinct' Director Paul Verhoeven: Jesus Was Son of Mary and Roman Rapist (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352277,00.html)

if you recall that mary was likely 13 or so, then there's going to be hell to pay

Naughtius Maximus

(eat that, VB.)