This is what we are getting worked up about?

[Silver]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/wright-in-conte.html

I watched the whole thing. Aside from the fact that I don't believe that God has anything to do with anything, I don't find anything in there politically that I disagree with. In fact, it sounds a little like something Chalmers Johnson could have written.

I think I owe Wright an apology. And I should have known that if FOX was making a big deal out of it, it was made up bull**** anyways.

[jimmydean]

Fox News is now promoting the idea of Repubs switching sides to vote in Dem primaries.

[3D.]

what I find even more laughable, is now obama is using it, in a rhetorical sense, to promote his “new“ -let’s heal the racial tensions- tour… joke:clapping:

[N8]

Fox News is now promoting the idea of Repubs switching sides to vote in Dem primaries.

idea has been around for months now.. it's called Rushing the Vote.

http://blatherwatch.blogs.com/talk_radio/2008/03/rush-the-vote-i.html

:p

[$tinkle]

wright's still an idiot. he's doing the classic picking of arbitrary points on a timeline to fit his agenda. he claims to have unique insight to centuries of u.s. foreign policy.

seriously, just as strong a case can be made for manifest destiny by calling it the sioux's chickens coming home to roost. you think they built their nation without flexing a little muscle? same can be applied to other wanton actions resulting in killing innocents. we're just a big chicken, and we were put here to roost around the world.

bock-bock-BOCK!

[Silver]

The Indian and slavery stuff is an incredible stretch, unless of course you happen to believe in a man in the sky who keeps track of all that stuff and might punish you later on for it.

Something you and Wright have in common, I believe?

Still, you can't ignore the fact that US foreign policy created Osama bin Laden. Chickens roosting indeed...

[dante]

Still, you can't ignore the fact that US foreign policy created Osama bin Laden. Chickens roosting indeed...

pfffft. all we did was arm him, train him, pay him gobs of money, and supply him with legions of religious fanatics willing to die for their cause... I'd hardly call that "creating him".

:twitch:

[jimmydean]

wright's still an idiot. he's doing the classic picking of arbitrary points on a timeline to fit his agenda. he claims to have unique insight to centuries of u.s. foreign policy.

seriously, just as strong a case can be made for manifest destiny by calling it the sioux's chickens coming home to roost. you think they built their nation without flexing a little muscle? same can be applied to other wanton actions resulting in killing innocents. we're just a big chicken, and we were put here to roost around the world.

bock-bock-BOCK!

I fail to see how this is any different than any other stupid thing any TV evangelical has said in the last 20 years.

[$tinkle]

The Indian and slavery stuff is an incredible stretchi fail to see the blowback from slavery. someone didn't come in and kick our ass b/c we held slaves. recall the battle to free slaves was within. the chickens never left the coop, if we can stick to a very awkward & vague metaphor. as far as indians, again, we could move the goalposts back to the time where they used all the violence at their disposal to expand their tribes, at the expense of other tribes (or non-tribal inhabitants). from this, paleface (comprised of the french & spaniards as well) were the chickens roosting
Still, you can't ignore the fact that US foreign policy created Osama bin Laden. Chickens roosting indeed...equipping a radicalized muslim w/ stingers is not the same as creating a radicalized muslim. besides, wouldn't the metaphor be more correct if the russians kicked our ass in response to supporting the mujahadeen?

[Silver]

i fail to see the blowback from slavery.

Nice quote mining. Here is what I wrote:

The Indian and slavery stuff is an incredible stretch, unless of course you happen to believe in a man in the sky who keeps track of all that stuff and might punish you later on for it.

[$tinkle]

I fail to see how this is any different than any other stupid thing any TV evangelical has said in the last 20 years.tv evangelists (whacky as they are) say God did aids, terr'ist attacks, abortion, etc. due to what society down to the individual has done or is doing.

rev wright says it's due to institutionalized u.s. policy.

also, rev wright says whitey made teh ass aids to kill darkey.

quite the difference.

[$tinkle]

Nice quote mining. Here is what I wrote:how so? i left the big man out of the discussion.

[jimmydean]

tv evangelists (whacky as they are) say God did aids, terr'ist attacks, abortion, etc. due to what society down to the individual has done or is doing.

rev wright says it's due to institutionalized u.s. policy.

also, rev wright says whitey made teh ass aids to kill darkey.

quite the difference.

You are debating the degree at which both are wrong? I think they all suck (overzealous religious types), so I pay no attention to the degree.

[Secret Squirrel]

So, it boils down to cutting of the nose to spite the face...

Cause omnipotence is just that cruel...yeah...I can see that. :twitch:

[$tinkle]

You are debating the degree at which both are wrong?nope.
the distinction i'm making is that wright blames whitey (might as well be the frikkking boogieman), while the well-quaffed, o-faced, hand wringing evangelists (both black & white) blame all of mankind's willful back-turning to God as the source for our country's - and the world's - ills.

[notice: i may have to neg rep you if you make me post stuff that closely resembles championing tv evangelists again. this is unawesome]
I think they all suck (overzealous religious types), so I pay no attention to the degreeit doesn't bother me that obama went to this type of church as much as he doesn't care to throw his chosen pastor under the bus like he did his white grandmother, even though we all know it would be for political expediency. either obama seems to think his afro-centric church & it's influence on his life is either a private & personal matter, and therefore off limits in evaluating our next democrat nominee, or he's blind to the fact that many democrats in this country find this to be quite troubling when trying to square this with his promise to bring us all together.

to date i've never imagined i'd be voting for him if nominated, but that still doesn't mean i get pleasure from this topic. if nothing else, this makes the mccain campaign a little lazy.

[jimmydean]

nope.
the distinction i'm making is that wright blames whitey (might as well be the frikkking boogieman), while the well-quaffed, o-faced, hand wringing evangelists (both black & white) blame all of mankind's willful back-turning to God as the source for our country's - and the world's - ills.

As far as I knew, the post 9-11 comments were not about humanity as a whole, but gays and other purposeful "sinners". Now maybe gay bashing is cooler than being racist to conservatives, but to me it's all garbage.

That's all I was meaning about that.

I don't think Obama tossed his grandma under a bus by pointing out she had issues with blacks even though her grandson was half black. I think it was a good point to make based on the context of the subject matter.

[Silver]

What exactly in the linked sermon above was racist? You'll have to refresh my memory on that...

[$tinkle]

oops, sorry, all his sermons sound alike to me.
i'll have to download the FF add-on for ebonics

[jimmydean]

What exactly in the linked sermon above was racist? You'll have to refresh my memory on that...

I don't think $tinkle listened to the sermon himself, he was basing his pre-formed opinion from Rush/Fox News accounts.

He doesn't have time to think for himself, he has talk radio for that.

[$tinkle]

i actually did, and even looked up the context of psalm 132:9. funny, he never mentioned any of the jewish slaves taken to babylon.

and i have the one Dish plan that doesn't have foxnews.
and i'd rather listen to dennis prager than rush if i choose talk radio during the noon hour.

as far as this thread goes, there's more than just this one sermon & its reach we're "getting worked up about". my aperture was a bit wider than this segment, i'll admit. if this kerfuffle were exactly this 10-min segment, there would be precisely no media & voter interest