Third Annual BEACON BLOWOUT DH Race

[MinorThreat]

O.K. - - Here it is; the first official announcement.

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Bicycle Butler's Third Annual
BEACON BLOWOUT
Downhill Race

Sunday, June 1 • 10 am
Camp Sekani • Spokane, WA
(Beacon Hill • 6707 E. Upriver Drive)
Practices: Saturday, 10 am - 5 pm • Sunday, 8 - 9:30 am
*** Sorry, no shuttles for this event***

ENTRY FEE:
$35
:thumb: $28 ONLINE :thumb:
($25+$3 service fee)
SAVE $7!

This will be a TWO-RUN, 'BEST-TIME' FORMAT this year (best of your two timed runs counts)
on the same course as the previous Blowouts

Three ways to register:

• Online at Active.com • (http://www.active.com/event_detail.cfm?event_id=1568131)

• By mail •
[Download entry form HERE] (http://www.bicyclebutler.com/Beacon_08_fields.pdf)

• On-site Sat. only: 10 am - 5 pm •

NO LATE FEES
Absolutely NO DAY-OF-RACE Registrations!
(One-day NORBA licenses will be available on-site)

NORBA Sanctioning / Points

Questions?

Call Bicycle Butler at (509) 328-7475 or
E-mail: spokes@bicyclebutler.com


We do not yet know whether or not this will be the WA State Championship. Details to come.

[bent^biker]

no ds? $30 for one run? all I can say is that the timing better be damn good

[Mut]

Why not just have timing from the bottom to the top too and call it a timed xc race. Sorry for the negativity, but that's a really long drive for one run, no shuttle, and have a DS course but not use it. Where are all the proceeds going?

[MinorThreat]

We don't want anything to happen as did the last two years so we are not doing two-run combined. This is something we can do with the horsepower we have.

Nothing we've ever done has not been b****ed about; so we do what we can to the best of our abilities and you can choose to come and have some fun or you can stay home and shuttle your local trails.

[bibs]

its more than just one run, its the event to kick off the season Its DH, when in the past has timing ever been on?? Just go to have fun, play with friends and ride bikes.

And Mut, if you were slow like me, you'd get more for your money :D

[SPINTECK]

I'm from PA and I rode Beacon back in '99. Not the race, just the runs. There was something magical about that place and it brought out the best in my riding.

Not sure how the trails have changed, but if I wasn't 3000 miles away I'd definitely go, even for a 1 run race.

Hope someone puts up a cool video!

[SeaPig]

Which way are you extending it? Top? Or, Bottom?

Hey Spinteck,

Check out last years video. (http://bonesovermetal.com/blog/2007/07/31/beacon-blowout-07/)

[DHRracer]

Why not just have timing from the bottom to the top too and call it a timed xc race. Sorry for the negativity, but that's a really long drive for one run, no shuttle, and have a DS course but not use it. Where are all the proceeds going?The question of the day,where do all the proceeds go?Is timing that much?PA-shuttle all day and burger for $25.

[MinorThreat]

Dan Webber, our local Beacon wizard and 'trailboss' and I are going to scope out the possible extension Sunday hopefully. Dan knows it; I only vaguely recall. He says it's a hard left off the top of the stepup that winds down and around around rather than heading across for the waterfall. Dan thinks that we can add in the neighborhood of 30 seconds to it. Other detours farther up will be explored but we don't want to cut out the funnest stuff like the Twisted Sister, etc.

A portion of the proceeds will once again go to the FTTRC (Fat Tire Trail Riders Club) - - the official caretakers of the Camp Sekani property. BB Racing retains enough to cover expenses, put a little toward the shop's racing season and to host other events through the season.

[bullcrew]

Called Tim today, I should be up there for it. Ill talk to the wife and get it finalized! :D looking forward to it!!!!!!!!!!
We pay $30 per race here in so cal for a 1 run format on a course that we have to pedal part of the way "called the WALL!".
Beacon is worth $30 :thumb:
We just ended the Shimano winter DH series and the Norba starts 2 weeks from now after keyston classic or Bootleg, take your choice!

[Eren]

wait! waterfall and seattle line wont be in the new course?

lame if not. . .

if this isnt State championships. . . any idea wat will be?

no ds? $30 for one run? all I can say is that the timing better be damn good

you going? if so im booking my plane tickets from england ACCORDINGLY to this race, hehe.

either way i gotta leave my june 3.

[SnowboardinWA]

Why not best of 2 runs? Also, remember to put the start time EVERYWHERE!!!!

[SnowboardinWA]

Again, when is the START of the race? Its not on the flyer again. Same as last year. When I was told the start was 2 hours later then it actually was. I never got my run.... I came from Tacoma to race, ended up watch Tyler and Harry race instead. GEESH

[Tootrikky]

This thread couldn't get much whinier, but come on guys! Give a weekend up at Whistler for one run format with no DS, and no shuttles? Sorry the drive up north is more scenic. Do an October/November end of season bash with DS, a band, and Beer........ I'll be there.

[MinorThreat]

Again, when is the START of the race? Its not on the flyer again. . .Fixed.

10 AM START

Practice closes at 9:30 for ½ hour to get course marshalls, medics and everyone else in in position so that the first racer goes off the top at 10:00.

if this isnt State championships. . . any idea wat will be?That's not to say it won't be - - we just have not received confirmation from USA Cycling so I cannot bill it as such yet.

[seand]

How can this be a state championship? Last year made sense since this was the only race in the state AFAIK. This year with the Fluid cup going on, it seems that the first race of the season cannot be accurately called the championship race. ...or am I missing something here? :)

[MinorThreat]

You are missing something here.

Any NORBA-sanctioned race in the state can apply to USA Cycling to be be the State Championship race. The calendar has nothing to do with it (look at the NORBA National Championship - - it usually occurs long before the NMBS is wrapped up).

Since the Beacon race is once again, as far as I can tell, the only NORBA sanctioned downhill race in the state of Washington this year, I think it would not be inappropriate for us to seek state championship status.

If someone else wants to line up a venue, select a date they like better, secure NORBA sanctioning and host a race, then I suppose they would be welcome to appeal to USA Cycling for state championship status for their event.

[buildyourown]

its more than just one run, its the event to kick off the season Its DH, when in the past has timing ever been on?? Just go to have fun, play with friends and ride bikes.



Event to kick off the season???? On June 1? I think the Spring Fling did that last weekend, for $20 and shuttle and food.
This also better not be the WA state championship. With the Fluidride Cup shaping up to be a true race series, I'd imagine it will be a bit representative of our states best talent.

$30 is a lot to charge for no shuttles.

[-FLUIDRIDE-]

We're aiming to get one of the Fluidride Cups appointed the State Championships. I feel Port Angeles, and Mt. Hood best represent true NW terrain and conditions. Nothing against Beacon, but a DH champion of any sort, should be crowned by prevailing on true DH terrain.

Thoughts???

[MinorThreat]

For it to be true Puget Sound Basin representative terrain doesn't it need to have two Starbuck's at the top (across from each other) one in the middle and a couple at the finish plus a satellite kiosk in the timing tent? :D

[-FLUIDRIDE-]

Yep-
And every racer is required to chug a doubletallventinonfatcarmelmachiato withwhip cream and a bean at the finish before the run time stops.

[ffonsok]

It's actually pretty sad when you can see another starbucks from the window of a starbucks.

[SeaPig]

Yep-
And every racer is required to chug a doubletallventinonfatcarmelmachiato withwhip cream and a bean at the finish before the run time stops.

That's some funny ****. I don't think I could accomplish that! :busted:

[trailhacker]

Yep-
And every racer is required to chug a doubletallventinonfatcarmelmachiato withwhip cream and a bean at the finish before the run time stops.
You got it backwards, you have to chug it before your run.
That way, you either blown up or blow chunks on your run.
Just a way to keep things more even for us slow guys...

[bent^biker]

We're aiming to get one of the Fluidride Cups appointed the State Championships. I feel Port Angeles, and Mt. Hood best represent true NW terrain and conditions. Nothing against Beacon, but a DH champion of any sort, should be crowned by prevailing on true DH terrain.

Thoughts???

well said and very true.

[freeridekid]

wait so is the fluidride cup norba sanctioned or not?

[thom9719]

We have to talk to chris at WSE about the slalom. the original idea was for WSE to put on the DS on saturday, but i'm not sure what is going to happen now. as soon as I find out, I'll post it up here.

I wish it was a little earlier in the season though. I won't be hanging around moscow for 3 weeks after finals are done. but I will most likley be there.

Kyle,

[MinorThreat]

Chris and WSE can host an event some other weekend (which they have been talking about anyway) that can include a slalom. There will be no slalom on the weekend of the Beacon Blowout. Period.

[freeridefool]

Why no shuttle. Im not bashing but Im going to be driving a pretty good distance to walk my ass up the hill... that sucks.

[freeridekid]

Why no shuttle. Im not bashing but Im going to be driving a pretty good distance to walk my ass up the hill... that sucks.

it was faster to walk when they had shuttles, and that road is getting pretty shady.

[Eren]

it was faster to walk when they had shuttles, and that road is getting pretty shady.

true dat, its like a 12 min hike, it would be faster just to walk up then load/drive up/shuttle the road

[-FLUIDRIDE-]

Yes. USAC sanctioned.


wait so is the fluidride cup norba sanctioned or not?

[SeaPig]

Something I have always wondered is what's the fundamental differences between USAC and Norba as they exist now? Are they in fact, competing sanctioning parties? They both have a national championship and they both have a series final. Appreciate any illumination on this.

[MinorThreat]

USA Cycling is the single sanctioning body that does road, track and off-road through its subsidiaries USCF, USPRO and NORBA.

There are three separate NORBA things that go on:

(1) local, regional and state events, run by various race promoters. Medal finishes at the state and regional championships qualify those racers to the National Championships.

(2) the NMBS (National Mountain Bike Series) - - NORBA Nationals - - promoted and run by a third party (Blue Wolf Productions) for USA Cycling. Podium finishes at any NMBS race also qualifies the racer to go to the NORBA National Championship. The NMBS usually continues on after the Nat. Championship race and crowns its own SERIES champions later.

(3) the NORBA National Championship race - - a one-day event at one venue.

Clear?

[SeaPig]

USA Cycling is the single sanctioning body that does road, track and off-road through its subsidiaries USCF, USPRO and NORBA.

There are three separate NORBA things that go on:

(1) local, regional and state events, run by various race promoters. Medal finishes at the state and regional championships qualify those racers to the National Championships.

(2) the NMBS (National Mountain Bike Series) - - NORBA Nationals - - promoted and run by a third party (Blue Wolf Productions) for USA Cycling. Podium finishes at any NMBS race also qualifies the racer to go to the NORBA National Championship. The NMBS usually continues on after the Nat. Championship race and crowns its own SERIES champions later.

(3) the NORBA National Championship race - - a one-day event at one venue.

Clear?

Kinda? Why the two different Gravity Schedules with two different Championships? How does this effect the pros, speaking of points, ability to register for races extra?

[spocomptonrider]

Chris and WSE can host an event some other weekend (which they have been talking about anyway) that can include a slalom. There will be no slalom on the weekend of the Beacon Blowout. Period.

Don't be hatin'. Whos to say there won't be an impromptu berm slashing session ala Crankworx...

[-FLUIDRIDE-]

Because America has their heads up their asses when it comes to Gravity racing. This is a question that has been asked by many a person before you young padewan.
The good news is we are taking it back. Private enteties like the promoters of the MSC, the numerous East coast series promoters, and now the FRCup, have approached the creation of their own respective events with a different motive. We all love to race bikes. That's it.
I'm claiming here... In a few years there will be a new revitalization in the USA's Gravity racing scene. Out with the old, in with the new.

Bring it.



Kinda? Why the two different Gravity Schedules with two different Championships? How does this effect the pros, speaking of points, ability to register for races extra?

[SeaPig]

Thanks. This thread is actually useful. Does the same USA Cycling Lic. work both for USAC and Norba Nationals?

[AZRacerX]

I think someone should start a new gravity racing sanctioning body that has nothing to do with NORBA or USAC. I've heard talk about this in the past, but so far no one has stepped up to do it. If done properly, I bet most of the larger race promoters would jump ship to the new organization. That way we could have a sanctioning body that has our best interests in mind. USAC does not give a rats ass about DH since it is not an olympic sport.

[MinorThreat]

Don't be hatin'. Whos to say there won't be an impromptu berm slashing session ala Crankworx...I'm not hating; I'm simply pointing out a fact. Nobody is going to run a sanctioned DS race at that venue on that weekend. BB Racing will be renting the venue for a DH race and will be responsible for the venue and for the safety of the spectators and racers; so anything not a DH not happening on the DH course will be, like you said, impromptu.

Like impromptu jump jams before, if it does not impinge on the safety or organization of the real event, then it might be allowed to happen unmolested.

[trailhacker]

Another thing to keep in mind, and I am probably a little off on this, is the National Championship (not to be confused with NORBA series champion) is a requirement by the UCI.
It is a one day event and is restricted to US citizens only.
The NORBA series events are open to anyone with a NORBA license or a UCI recognized international license.

I believe the NC race is scheduled early in the season as that is required by the UCI and has to do with the World Championships. I am fuzzy on the particulars.
I know in years past the NC was later in the year but was changed to be inline with the rest of the UCI countries. They might even be on the same weekend across the globe? Although That would seem strange to have the NC for a southern hemisphere country have their NC in the middle of their winter?
Again, fuzzy...

[trailhacker]

We're aiming to get one of the Fluidride Cups appointed the State Championships. I feel Port Angeles, and Mt. Hood best represent true NW terrain and conditions. Nothing against Beacon, but a DH champion of any sort, should be crowned by prevailing on true DH terrain.

Thoughts???
Don't get me wrong, I am all for the FR cup series.
But, how is any one terrain any more "true" than the other?
Geographically speaking, there is more "east" than "west" in either WA or OR (I think?). And I would think that the Beacon course might be a good representation of what the "east" has to offer.

I would think the state champs should be held at the venue with the ability to attract the most participants. The more people you beat, the more credible your "championship" is.
So this year, it should be Beacon (based on last years attendance) and next year will be open for debate.
Or first come (request the SC), first serve?

$.02

PS; Hood is in OR and should not be considered for the WA SC. Technically speaking of course.

[buildyourown]

Don't get me wrong, I am all for the FR cup series.
But, how is any one terrain any more "true" than the other?
Geographically speaking, there is more "east" than "west" in either WA or OR (I think?). And I would think that the Beacon course might be a good representation of what the "east" has to offer.

I would think the state champs should be held at the venue with the ability to attract the most participants. The more people you beat, the more credible your "championship" is.
So this year, it should be Beacon (based on last years attendance) and next year will be open for debate.
Or first come (request the SC), first serve?

$.02

PS; Hood is in OR and should not be considered for the WA SC. Technically speaking of course.

You could also argue that it should be the venue closest to the largest population center. Being 2hrs from the 8 million people who live in the puget sound, should count for something. While Beacon is a fun course, I don't think of it as true DH. It's sub 2min, and you can run semi-slick 2.35 tires and win.

[-FLUIDRIDE-]

Good points TH.

For some reason I always associate Hood with Washington.

I don't want to exclude the eastern parts of the state, and even Id. from the NW stigma.
But I guarantee you if you ask any rider out of the region what they think of, when asked about the PNW- They picture mud, rocks, rain, and roots. Now wether or not this is actually the case about the entire NW, it is what the majority like to think. Even though it may not be true.

If the rider count at this weekends shuttle day was any indication of what we can expect at the races, it should be held in consideration compared to the last few years Beacon turnout.

[MinorThreat]

The geocentric snobbishness of the Puget Sound Basin is alive and rampant I see. It's really kind of funny the talk about having it where the greatest population is: let's see now, the best places to ride in King and Snohomish Counties are: B.C., Oregon, the Olympic Penninsula and Eastern Washington. Yeah.

[Certified Drunk]

Can we just ride our bikes and have some fun?

[Gopher]

Simon everybody is stoked for the FR cup. Next year will be intense. Im really looking forward to seeing some more race's run better like the hood series. P.S. impromptu berm slashing is a must. Im about it.

[-FLUIDRIDE-]

I guess what I was trying to say was that too many people forget that Ea. Wa. and Id. etc are part of the NW as well, myself included.
Hell I tried to include Hood as a potential venue for the Wa. state champs!

I just feel that now there is another DH race in Wa. we have another option for the Championships to take place.
Don't get me wrong I love racing Beacon, however the fact that I don't have to think about bringing an alternate to my semi-slicks, is questionable.


The geocentric snobbishness of the Puget Sound Basin is alive and rampant I see. It's really kind of funny the talk about having it where the greatest population is: let's see now, the best places to ride in King and Snohomish Counties are: B.C., Oregon, the Olympic Penninsula and Eastern Washington. Yeah.

[MinorThreat]

I guess what I was trying to say was that too many people forget that Ea. Wa. and Id. etc are part of the NW as well, myself included.
Hell I tried to include Hood as a potential venue for the Wa. state champs!

I just feel that now there is another DH race in Wa. we have another option for the Championships to take place.
Don't get me wrong I love racing Beacon, however the fact that I don't have to think about bringing an alternate to my semi-slicks, is questionable.I just had to give you a bad time; I'm an escapee from the west side myself. Thanks for stepping up and bringing more racing to the state.

I guess we'll just have to see how it shakes out. Hope I can catch at least one race over at PA this year.

[ggrubb]

East... West... it's all good.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=94490&stc=1&d=1205519848

[hackk]

i wish you'd have it as a 2 run format.

[seand]

To me, location has nothing to do with a state championship. The date however does. I would love to see a season ender as the state championship.

Though it is oddly neat to potentially be able to sign up for a race mid-june with the title of state champion under your belt already for that season :)

[MinorThreat]

Since the National Championship is July 16-20, a June state championship is appropriate - - especially for those who may not have made it to a NORBA Nat by then.

[thom9719]

Chris and WSE can host an event some other weekend (which they have been talking about anyway) that can include a slalom. There will be no slalom on the weekend of the Beacon Blowout. Period.

If the race isn't going to make use of the facilities beacon has, I most likely won't be there. remember, from seattle it is 5 hours to spokane, or 5 hours to whistler. for 10 dollars more, I'd rather ride a chairlift and long trails, than pay almost as much money to hike for a 2 minute race run.

Kyle,

[Wigga]

The geocentric snobbishness of the Puget Sound Basin is alive and rampant I see. It's really kind of funny the talk about having it where the greatest population is: let's see now, the best places to ride in King and Snohomish Counties are: B.C., Oregon, the Olympic Penninsula and Eastern Washington. Yeah.

um having it near where most the population is, that would just be logical.

and those are great places to ride (well some of them...), but you are sadly mistaken if you think there are no good places to ride out west. and eastern washington should definitely not be included in that list of places, i have lived on both sides and the riding is better on the left. rocks, roots, trees, mud, mountains or dust?

not trying to hate on you, i am all for racing at beacon and thankful that you guys made it happen, but come on now

[Gopher]

If the race isn't going to make use of the facilities beacon has, I most likely won't be there. remember, from seattle it is 5 hours to spokane, or 5 hours to whistler. for 10 dollars more, I'd rather ride a chairlift and long trails, than pay almost as much money to hike for a 2 minute race run.

Kyle,

I second that the ds course is solid and should be raced. I for one would rather go to silver or mt spokane for that price. Plus it will be super hot and track condtions will be mach moon dusty... gross

[Eren]

If the race isn't going to make use of the facilities beacon has, I most likely won't be there. remember, from seattle it is 5 hours to spokane, or 5 hours to whistler. for 10 dollars more, I'd rather ride a chairlift and long trails, than pay almost as much money to hike for a 2 minute race run.

Kyle,

word. ill be in seattle on vacation from england and was gonna bring my bike for beacon, but whistler would me more fun once you consider cost, 1 race run and distance.

[MinorThreat]

I walked the possible extension with Dan W. today and it apepeared to have some real possibilities, like a nice little three-step drop down; unfortunately there is no good way to tie it back into the bottom of the course. Gonna have to have a powow with Tim and Gino.

but you are sadly mistaken if you think there are no good places to ride out west . . .Oh, I know that there a lot of great places there; I was just making the point that the places most people over there rave about most often are places not in King or Snohomish counties.

And as far as what's better that's strictly a matter of personal preference. Myself, I like the same type of terrain I did when I rode/raced dirt bikes: high-speed open pine forest. But that's just me; YMMV.

[bent^biker]

word. ill be in seattle on vacation from england and was gonna bring my bike for beacon, but whistler would me more fun once you consider cost, 1 race run and distance.

or silver star, mmmmmm yummy

[bibs]

yea, why did this turn into such a big internet boner show?? Just go ride your ****ing bikes and quit giving people who try ****, otherwise this sport will die.

:) just my buck thirty two

[thom9719]

just my buck thirty two

freedom costs a buck o'five.

Kyle,

[Tootrikky]

yea, why did this turn into such a big internet boner show?? Just go ride your ****ing bikes and quit giving people who try ****, otherwise this sport will die.

:) just my buck thirty two

I love DH racing, and I am excited to see it's comeback after the WIM series died........may be some of you remember that painful death.

Beacon has it's limitations, but with the right format and appropriate scheduling can still be an awesome event that I would travel too, and spend my money at.

Since I as an avid DH racer in PNW do not feel the desire to attend this yr, I though it would be helpful to at least voice my gripes, instead of just shutting up and not attending. It's called communication!

[thom9719]

I really just wish it included the slalom. you know it's bad when your slalom is almost as long as your DH course.

I also wish the date was earlier.beacon will be so dried out by june. the beacon race needs to be in april before sea otter. that is when it would be best. the hill would be moist and the trails would be prime, instead of the 100 degree dust pit that will happen in june.

Kyle,

[freeridekid]

Since I as an avid DH racer in PNW do not feel the desire to attend this yr, I though it would be helpful to at least voice my gripes, instead of just shutting up and not attending. It's called communication!

So if you can complain about the beacon race, why can't others complain about "a certain bike shop?"

[Tootrikky]

So if you can complain about the beacon race, why can't others complain about "a certain bike shop?"


I thought about this, and I don't have a good answer. It might have been more appropriate to PM Minor Threat. There is a difference however. I am not claiming they "ripped me off" or had horrible cs, or whatever with little or no chance of them defending themselves. I stated the reasonswhy I may not show up this yr w/ hope that they may alter the venue to accommodate or at the very least have the tools to do so, DIRECTLY TO THE PROMOTER WHO POSTED ON THIS THREAD, Who has a fair chance to retort if they feel it's needed. Constructive Criticism imho vs Bashing.

[MinorThreat]

Anybody who has specific questions/concerns is always welcome to PM me. I may not always have a good answer but I will always be straight up that I don't or work at getting you one if it's possible.

On a further note, I just want to say that I too have felt uncomfortable with only being able to offer a one-run format and am working on a way to change that. Things are not gelled yet enough to make an official announcement; but it is looking like it is very possible that we will be able to do a "best-of" two-run format, where we throw out the lower of your two times and base placing on your best run.

As far as dual slalom, there won't be a DS race. If people want to have some grudge-match fun on it, it doesn't look like there will be any problem with that - - as long as you don't use the full runout all the way down into the finish area flat.

The first of June should be fine at Beacon. We quite often get a lot of moisture around then - - just ask any kid here who got out of school around then after the false promises of May weather ;)

[SeaPig]

I thought about this, and I don't have a good answer. It might have been more appropriate to PM Minor Threat. There is a difference however. I am not claiming they "ripped me off" or had horrible cs, or whatever with little or no chance of them defending themselves. I stated the reasonswhy I may not show up this yr w/ hope that they may alter the venue to accommodate or at the very least have the tools to do so, DIRECTLY TO THE PROMOTER WHO POSTED ON THIS THREAD, Who has a fair chance to retort if they feel it's needed. Constructive Criticism imho vs Bashing.

I agree with this Reasoning!

Just my 2-cents: actually it may be about a nickels worth. It makes no sense to bash a bike shop, or someone that puts their time into a ride spot or event. For that matter, throw in those of us who obviously spend time and money on bike related media. You don't like, don't go, don't buy, don't participate. It's your time and dollar. However, telling someone what you would like to see in their shop, or as a part of their event, etc. is truly Constructive Criticism.

However, in my experience with Bones Over Metal, I have a couple of times received this sort of Criticism, and when I don't act on that Criticism in the way the Critic seems is appropriate, I then get this attitude directed toward me that I don't listen or take Criticism.

Just because you can offer a suggestion or lay down some excellent Criticism, doesn't mean that it works for the person responsible for managing the resources available. The one maximum that comes into mind in this regard is, "Those who can do, and those who can't criticize."

In other words, those who get things done often find a balance between perfect and unacceptable. Those who critique, only focus on the perfect. While it's great to strive for that, it's usually impossible to attain, or sustain.

So, please leave the bike shops alone! This should be sacred territory. They are the hub of our sport, so to speak.

[freeridekid]

From the stories about the bike shop, though, it sounds like they are making some constructive criticism, because the customer service is DEstructive to their reputation. There is no reason to let anybody, bike shop owner or not, get away with screwing people over and doing nothing about it.

[SeaPig]

From the stories about the bike shop, though, it sounds like they are making some constructive criticism, because the customer service is DEstructive to their reputation. There is no reason to let anybody, bike shop owner or not, get away with screwing people over and doing nothing about it.

While this seems like a fair argument, most of what gets said is usually personal attacks from people who feel their idea of how a bike shop should be was challenged.

Also, how could these guys have stayed in business this long, in a small market for a niche sport, if they didn't serve a good amount of their customers properly.

If they are truly being criminal, well then... but, in every case I have seen on this Forum, it's a matter of personal opinion of how they think they should be treated. I say this as someone who didn't like the way I was treated once when I went in there, and have never gone back.

But, I've been clear with myself, that it's a matter of my idea of customer service vs theirs, not one to be based about loosely by angry people on a forum. IMHO, that kind of Criticism only hurts and fracture's the local industry.

[freeridekid]

i get what you're saying, but I'm glad that i've heard these stories so i don't make the same mistake as those people (which is unfortunate for the business I guess.)

[SeaPig]

True!

[pink46]

the DS course will definetely see some action, sanctioned or not

[MinorThreat]

REVISED INFO - - Details have been worked out and changes have been made. It will be a TWO-RUN format, with the best of your two timed runs counting toward your final placing. The course will remain the same as last year. I'm reposting the revised info below. I will get the Active.com registration activated as quickly as I can; thank you for your support and your patience.

http://www.aimcomm.com/users/dminor/Beacon_icon_woCh.jpg

Bicycle Butler's Third Annual
BEACON BLOWOUT
Downhill Race

Sunday, June 1 • 10 am
Camp Sekani • Spokane, WA
(Beacon Hill • 6707 E. Upriver Drive)
Practices: Saturday, 10 am - 5 pm • Sunday, 8 - 9:30 am
*** Sorry, no shuttles for this event***

ENTRY FEE:
$35
:thumb: $28 ONLINE :thumb:
($25+$3 service fee)
SAVE $7!

This will be a TWO-RUN, 'BEST-TIME' FORMAT this year (best of your two timed runs counts)
on the same course as the previous Blowouts

Three ways to register:

• Online at Active.com • (http://www.active.com/event_detail.cfm?event_id=1568131)

• By mail •
[Download entry form HERE] (http://www.bicyclebutler.com/Beacon_08_fields.pdf)

• On-site Sat. only: 10 am - 5 pm •

NO LATE FEES
Absolutely NO DAY-OF-RACE Registrations!
(One-day NORBA licenses will be available on-site)

NORBA Sanctioning / Points

Questions?

Call Bicycle Butler at (509) 328-7475 or
E-mail: spokes@bicyclebutler.com

[Eren]

is it gonna go left after the step up to that rock drop or right off that wee step down like two years ago?

[MinorThreat]

I knew someone was going to ask me that! That might not get decided until we lay out the course. I lean toward including the rock drop like last year. There was some grousing about it last year, but, personally I kind of like it. The only reason we may do the other route is if it's too cumbersome to do a good beginner ride-around for the drop without adding a new line (we are trying to be be good stewards and not undo the FTTRC's good work).

[thom9719]

I knew someone was going to ask me that! That might not get decided until we lay out the course. I lean toward including the rock drop like last year. There was some grousing about it last year, but, personally I kind of like it. The only reason we may do the other route is if it's too cumbersome to do a good beginner ride-around for the drop without adding a new line (we are trying to be be good stewards and not undo the FTTRC's good work).

I like the older line better. I think it is a more fun/challenging route with some cool lines. (ie, I have a good line down it :D )

Kyle,

[Eren]

I like the older line better. I think it is a more fun/challenging route with some cool lines. (ie, I have a good line down it :D )

Kyle,

hehe me too, i like it better.

about a 4 inch crack between two rocks,

pin it to win it right? :lighten:

[freeridekid]

another vote for the old line. i hate having to either slow down or flat bottom the rock drop, and the other line just flows better. prejumping the stepdown in to that rock mound/turn and having a bunch of speed into the last section is tits!

[MinorThreat]

. . . i hate having to either slow down or flat bottom the rock drop, . . .Based on that sentiment, maybe we should take out all of the corners so that nobody has to slow down to negotiate any of the course? :rolleyes:

[thom9719]

Based on that sentiment, maybe we should take out all of the corners so that nobody has to slow down to negotiate any of the course? :rolleyes:

should never have to slow down, just have steeper berms!

Kyle,

[Mike.rider]

the old line through the rock was more chalenging and thus more fun, the drop is just a drop and there are atleast 3 drops exactly like that one in the course already. so why not keep the fun, techy, rock section.

[MinorThreat]

ONLINE REGISTRATION through Active.com is now up and running. My apologies for the delay.

http://www.active.com/event_detail.cfm?EVENT_ID=1568131&CHECKSSO=0

[freeridefool]

Thank you so much for the two run format. Becon is back on my schedule. Im extatic right now.

[BerSerK]

What up everyone hope to see you at the beacon blow out

Ive been a long time mt Spokane rider but need to find some peeps to show me around beacon "old, new there all the same to me" i have lots of free time and want to ride let me know when you are going to have some fun and maybe i can join ya!

I want to race, but want to practice with the pros b4.

I live at the Y and can get their quickly HINT HINT MinorThreat lol

Give me a shout out guys i can keep up

Thanks

BerSerK

:cheers:

[Downhillbell]

hey I am planing on racing the Bomber this year, but I dont know what class to race in.

I ride beacon quite a bit and hit most of the big drops there and I am quick amoung the group of riders I ride with.
I dont want to enter a beginner class and just walk over people, but I also dont want to ride in a class that is way over my head.
so what class should a 15 year old like me race in?

[SPINTECK]

Which way are you extending it? Top? Or, Bottom?

Hey Spinteck,

Check out last years video. (http://bonesovermetal.com/blog/2007/07/31/beacon-blowout-07/)

That's a great little vid. The step up section looks like a ton of fun. Can't believe I missed this when you first posted it.

[MinorThreat]

Sorry all! I didn't realize there were fresh posts until today (title wasn't bold on my browser - oops).

BerSerk - - I'd be happy to hook up with you for a ride; BUT - - my new frame is not here yet so I don't have a bike right now, and I'm on vacation the following week. Best bet is to call Chris A. at WheelSport East and find out the days they're going. Anyway, it seems like there's always somebody up there practicing and more will be as the race date gets nearer.

Downhillbell - - If you're hitting all the big stuff you should at least sign up Sport, I'd say. There are others that might advise Expert but only you can answer that. Jr Ex is a pretty stacked field usually and if you're sorta new to actual racing, there's no shame in running Sport.

Glad everyone is looking forward to it. Beacon is always fun and we will make every effort to make it a good day for all.

[Downhillbell]

Sorry all! I didn't realize there were fresh posts until today (title wasn't bold on my browser - oops).

Downhillbell - - If you're hitting all the big stuff you should at least sign up Sport, I'd say. There are others that might advise Expert but only you can answer that. Jr Ex is a pretty stacked field usually and if you're sorta new to actual racing, there's no shame in running Sport.

Glad everyone is looking forward to it. Beacon is always fun and we will make every effort to make it a good day for all.


ok thanks, I havnt ever entered a race before but, A kid that I ride with a buddy that came in 2ed in the beginner class at Silver Mt. and that was before he got serious and I am faster than him to this day, so I was figureing that sport would be the best class for me to start in. But hopfully that is the right class for me. :cheers:

[MinorThreat]

One good way to tell is, if you do every/most feature(s) on the course (drops, Twisted Sister, step-up, etc.) then you are definite Sport material. True beginners will be doing a lot of the ride-arounds.

[Downhillbell]

ok thanks again as like I said I am hitting everything that beacon has to offer. but I have had a few people say that I could probably hold my own in the expert class.

I probably dont need to ask but who all is going up to beacon this weekend?
first I would like to ride with some one that has raced the bomber to tell me if I should possably race the expert or sport class and I would like someone to show me the last little section of the course. I know it from the top,then once you hit the step up close to the bottom I dont know where to go. I am guessing that with the good weather this weekend that there will be someone for one of the Mtb sites that could put me in the right class and show me the last of the course.
thanks for all the help and I am looking forward to a fun weekend of racing!!

[thom9719]

Doug,

I heard some rumor today that we had to be registered by tommorrow? any truth to this, or not? I won't be able to register until the day of the race(practice), so if I can't register then, I guess I'm not racing.

edit: n/m I read the site and whoever was telling me that, apparently can't read.

Kyle,

[MinorThreat]

Doug,

I heard some rumor today that we had to be registered by tommorrow? any truth to this, or not? I won't be able to register until the day of the race(practice), so if I can't register then, I guess I'm not racing.

edit: n/m I read the site and whoever was telling me that, apparently can't read.

Kyle,Ya, they cannot read. Postmark date for mail-ins is May 27. I worked with active.com to make the online cutoff the same - - that still gives me plenty of time to download all of the onlines and set them up. And, YES, there will be on-site registration at Saturday practice. We just can't do day-of (Sunday) because we need time to get all the data sorted and generate the start list.

You have your NORBA license for '08 right? Because we will only be set up to do one-days for the Sports on down (or I guess the Opens challenging the pros?) We will not be able to sell season licenses on-site which Experts/Semis/Pros need to race their class or accumulate points.

[thom9719]

yeah, I have my license for 08, so that shouldn't be a problem, now I just have to remember how to ride a bike.....

Kyle,

[MinorThreat]

haha! I doubt there will be much problem - - You can ride better in your sleep than I can fully awake with a two-minute head start ;).

Got your Blindside put together yet? My floater kit was in the box sans axle so it delayed me a few days :(.

[Downhillbell]

not to be the kid that doesn't know anything, but Is there any reason for me to get a year long NORBA license if I am racing in the sport class? I was planing on just doing the one day license
Will I need it for anything other than the Bomber?
The only other place I might race is at Silver and I don't know If I need one or not.
And If I do need a year long one, where do I have to go to buy it?

thank you guys again!!!

[MinorThreat]

If mostly all you're going to do is Silver, don't bother with a season license. Silver is self-insured, so their Sunday Series races do not require a license.

Silveroxx may be NORBA sanctioned; but, again, you can just purchase a one-day to cover that too. The prime motivations for going season license in Sport is if you were going to hit a National or two and wanted to accumulate Nat-standing points to qualify for the Championship, to satisfy sponsors, etc.

[DirtMcGirk]

Can we self shuttle?

[HenryTheHammer]

Can we self shuttle?

If by "self shuttle" you mean push your own bike up the hill, then yeah. :biggrin:

[DirtMcGirk]

If by "self shuttle" you mean push your own bike up the hill, then yeah. :biggrin:

But I am a fat, lazy, McD lovin American (really, no joke here) and I hate walking up hills. I came to DH, not hike!

Oh yea, and in response to this whole west side/east side, Tupac and Biggie thing you're all rambling about, I have the following to say on the whole matter:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd310/amandakissnhug/hugeuvdd.jpg

West side bitches, west side.

When I lived on the East Coast (not the east side) we just took it as it came, finding racing where we could. There was only one race in VA, and it was the VA state champs as such.

So give poor Minorthreat a break. Running/putting together a race is a first class pain in the doo doo hole, with a real love/hate feeling towards it by the time its all said and done.

And bitching about $30? Come on now... $30 is dirty dirt cheap.

[thom9719]

haha! I doubt there will be much problem - - You can ride better in your sleep than I can fully awake with a two-minute head start ;).

Got your Blindside put together yet? My floater kit was in the box sans axle so it delayed me a few days :(.


haha, I got my BS built up the night before PA, I rode beacon last sunday and have never rode that poorly, I just need time on the new bike, I haven't ridden a DH bike in a while, it handles a little differently than my double.

Kyle,

[SeaPig]

I'm looking for someone to travel out to Beacon with me. To share gas, etc.

I would be willing to leave very early on Saturday and come Sunday after the event to keep costs down.

For those still not sure about going. Check out this video from last years event (http://bonesovermetal.com/blog/2007/07/31/beacon-blowout-07/).

I found a 2 queen beds room via the booking service on Bones Over Metal.com for $73 plus tax, etc. (http://www.ihsadvantage.com/h/hotelinfo/spokane/wa/us/28640/?geoMiles=15&arrivalMonth=5&pfs=5670&showAvailWithList=true&adults=2&arrivalDay=31&isGeoSearch=true&trafficID=516030738&nights=1&starRating=1&starRating=1#trafficLogID=516030738&refererPageID=20&loadStart=1211831490702&visited=true&clickLogID=33716690)

Here's A Helmet Cam of the Course Last Year (http://virtualdescent.com/view_video.php?video_id=177)

[DirtMcGirk]

So I registered. Where the hell am I going? Directions, address, something...

[MinorThreat]

So I registered. Where the hell am I going? Directions, address, something...Go here and click on the Map tab. Then click 'map' view so you don't get the stupid aerial photo:

http://www.active.com/page/Event_Details.htm?event_id=1568131&assetId=70c3852a-b7cc-4af9-ad8a-d995b517f53a

I think last year I published concise driving directions. When I find them, I'll post them here. Crap, can't find them.

Physical address is 6707 E. Upriver Drive. Best way to get there is to take the Argonne exit #287 and turn left (North) across the freeway. Continue north throught the little town of Millwood, across the river and turn left (west) at the traffic light at Argonne and Upriver Drive. Go west on Upriver until you see the signs.

Doug

[hungryleprican]

any word on what the course will be like? I heard rumor of a completely new course going around the waterfall/seattle line can anyone clarify?

[DirtMcGirk]

Anyone know what the lodging situation is anywhere near there? Is there camping, or a Motel Six or something?

[geargrrl]

Go here and click on the Map tab. Then click 'map' view so you don't get the stupid aerial photo:

http://www.active.com/page/Event_Details.htm?event_id=1568131&assetId=70c3852a-b7cc-4af9-ad8a-d995b517f53a

I think last year I published concise driving directions. When I find them, I'll post them here. Crap, can't find them.

Physical address is 6707 E. Upriver Drive. Best way to get there is to take the Argonne exit #287 and turn left (North) across the freeway. Continue north throught the little town of Millwood, across the river and turn left (west) at the traffic light at Argonne and Upriver Drive. Go west on Upriver until you see the signs.

Doug

What is it, about a mile and a half to the gate?

If you are going up through Millwood, make sure to stop at the Rocket Bakery!!

[MinorThreat]

any word on what the course will be like? I heard rumor of a completely new course going around the waterfall/seattle line can anyone clarify?Course will be much the same as the past two Blowouts. My dream of a longer course did not materialize because there is just not enough terrain to work with. I was scoping out some cool features but I did not want to cut out the waterfall and Seattle line so I had to can the idea. We will probably straighten it back out a bit after the step-up, eliminating last year's small drop that was a hard left after the step-up rock; so it will be more like it was year before last.

Also, there is a new double in the upper part of the course that got built this spring before the step-down drop. The ad hoc builders are always throwing something new into the mix.

We'll be out tomorrow morning staking out the course.

DirtMcGirk - - camping options include Riverside State Park (other side of town) or Liberty Lake County Park (farther out in the Spokane Valley). Tons of motels everywhere - - hopefully someone else will chime in about best/closest value.

[bullcrew]

Super 8 sucks royal, my back hurt worse than when I broke it! Crappiest mattress Ive slep on ever, and I stayed there in 2 different rooms on 2 different occasions and they sucked!
Its right off the exit on the 90 to go to the race!

[SeaPig]

Anyone know what the lodging situation is anywhere near there? Is there camping, or a Motel Six or something?

I'm staying at the Super 8, it's easy to get to the event from there. If you think Super 8 sucks there are many other options via the Service on Bones Over Metal.com (http://www.boneovermetal.com)

Check the top of the site.

The site gets some of the booking rate to help fund it. :spam:

[HenryTheHammer]

Hey MT, you should make the course go straight after the stepup and into the highspeed section of the old bomber course. The triple-double is prime right now!

[Demo8Man]

THC plans on rocking the house this weekend.

[thom9719]

camping at liberty lake is free right now. that is where we are staying. we should be there tonight.

Kyle,

[Downhillbell]

[QUOTE=MinorThreat;2946666]Also, there is a new double in the upper part of the course that got built this spring before the step-down drop. The ad hoc builders are always throwing something new into the mix.
QUOTE]

I hate that new double soo much.:banghead: Its the only thing on the race course that scares me and I have yet to clear the entire thing clean. Its a good addition but I still hate the stupid thing.

[MinorThreat]

Hey MT, you should make the course go straight after the stepup and into the highspeed section of the old bomber course. The triple-double is prime right now!You got your wish, HTH - - it's in. I still personally prefer the waterfall/Seattle line but I was outvoted.

I hate that new double soo much. Its the only thing on the race course that scares me and I have yet to clear the entire thing clean. Its a good addition but I still hate the stupid thing.I'm a bit leery of it; so, needless to say, that's where I will be spending some time tomorrow trying to get it dialed.

[Downhillbell]

I'm a bit leery of it; so, needless to say, that's where I will be spending some time tomorrow trying to get it dialed.


Yea I have honestly tried it 5 or 6 times and everytime I end up with the bottom bracket on the top of the landing. Maybe durring practice tomorrow I will be able to clean it. Are other ppl in the sport class clearing that?

[DirtMcGirk]

Well this sucks.
Got stuck in Seattle after listening to my wife's theory on how much practice I need.

Never in my life have I ever missed a race I've registered for.

Someone post a photo.

[Hack]

Was fun.

[Downhillbell]

Was fun.



Was very fun. 2ed in under 18 sport. I had a horrible crash of the rock spine in my 1st run and had a DNF and then blazed the course on my 2ed run and ended up in second.

[thom9719]

Doug, can you post the full results with both runs timed? I want to know what my second run time was, even with my crash.

Kyle,

[MinorThreat]

I will get the files(s) from Cindy; I need to have them to generate the USAC report anyway. When I get that done, I'll re-sort the data and post it up somewhere this week.

[clognot]

Thanks for all the help this last weekend Doug. Your efforts and time are greatly appreciated. Come on out to a PA race and let the West side do all the work for you.

Oh - Must ask "when" on the mailings?

Thanks again,

cb