DH Brake Poll

[Damo]

I'm basically going to let you guys chose my next brakes.

I am building up a 2008 Yeti 303 for race and Morzine use.

I want light, powerful and maybe a wee bit of bling factor.

[Kevin]

Juicys have never let me down and the Carbons look more bling then any other brake imo.
Offcourse I havent got experiance with those other brakes but Im guessing not a whole lot of people actually have experiance with all of them...

[FOXROX]

codes.

[jonKranked]

this poll = fail. you are omitting quite a few brakes that are excellent DH brakes. just go back to rim brakes.

[zero knowledge]

On steeper tracks I have experienced lack of power with Saints and Juicys I have ridden. I'm with weak hands and was used to Gustavs in the past. This past season I rode Oros and they were powerful enough for me, even in Champery, and The One with 180mm rotor was more powerful than Oro with 200. So for power and feeling, The One would be my choice.

I won't comment on the highly subjective bling factor ...

[Sir_Crackien]

yeah you let out my two options

codes and oros.

i think the real purpose of this poll is so he can compare brakes for his bike instead of searching. maybe i'm wrong though. if that is true this post needs some major editing

[Damo]

Sorry guys, I might have started this all wrong:

This isn't a poll on what the best brakes are, just a poll to let you guys chose which of these four options I am about to buy.

Basically I have narrowed it down to these four.

ie: I'm not bothered with other options at this stage.....

Cheers.

[Curious_George]

I know its not on the list, but dont think of going for the juicy ultimates....my best bud did this with 203mm rotors...and basically the mono bodied caliper overheated and got hydralocked...needless to say it wasn't a happy ending

[chriscarleton]

magura raceline d in fluorescent yellow.

[S.K.C.]

I'm basically going to let you guys chose my next brakes.

I am building up a 2008 Yeti 303 for race and Morzine use.

I want light, powerful and maybe a wee bit of bling factor.

I ran the numbers (piston diameters, stroke, brake pad surface area) with jvnixon, and believe it or not the new ONE brakes from Formula have the same power as SAINTS (which is more than the Codes) but weigh a little bit less than Juicy's.

Pretty nice bling factor for the regular ones, but if you want full-on pimpness you can get the polished GM Edition (Greg Minaarr) set.

So you get loads of power and tons of modulation in a lightweight package. Sounds good to me.

:)

[davep]

I just cant figure out why the formulas are soooo much $$$ (atleast here in the USA). Brakes with comparable mfg techniques are half the price or less. I can see a premium for 1st world production, but someone in the production/distribution path is taking a large slice of profit.

[mattmatt86]

Formula's are so much $$$ cause they are worth it.

[tlproject7]

codes of course

[FOXROX]

this poll = fail. you are omitting quite a few brakes that are excellent DH brakes. just go back to rim brakes.

does this count?

http://i1.pinkbike.com/photo/1769/med/mpbpic1769361.jpg

[Ian Collins]

gay....codes rule and you don't have them on the list with all the other shat brakes listed

[norbar]

WTF with all you? Codes are heavy. He already has/will have a heavy frame so why add weight of codes/gutstavs/hopes/brembos (well the bling factor would be high :P ).

I will definately say formulas. One are better than my k24 and they feel much better than rubber juicys. I'd also recomend goodridge hoses.

[potta]

I am running xtr with hope 203 floating rotors. Very light, great modulation and stopping power.

[Curious_George]

I ran the numbers (piston diameters, stroke, brake pad surface area) with jvnixon, and believe it or not the new ONE brakes from Formula have the same power as SAINTS (which is more than the Codes) but weigh a little bit less than Juicy's.

Pretty nice bling factor for the regular ones, but if you want full-on pimpness you can get the polished GM Edition (Greg Minaarr) set.

So you get loads of power and tons of modulation in a lightweight package. Sounds good to me.

:)

Can i have a look at those numbers, Each year i make horizontal/vertical comparisson of parts...your imput would help alot
:monkeydance:

[Lollapalooza]

I voted for The One but I don't personally have experience with it. However, the guys at my shop (the fat ones too) all seem to love. Power and modulation are the words that come up whenever describing them. As for the other brakes, Saints are cheap, reliable, and strong but a tiny bit hefty. I have some Juicy's on my DH bike and believe they're fantastic when well bled (I only weigh 140 with gear though). I don't have any experience with the XTR's so I can't comment on those.

[Brian HCM#1]

They are all crap........... Buy Hope:thumb:

[Monkeybidnezz]

I know it isn't on the list, but did you consider the Juicy Ulitmate levers mated with Code calipers? Super light, and really powerful. If you were considering the Juicy's carbons, I would at least look at this combo.

[r464]

There's no option for "coaster brake"

:(

[Jettj45]

WTF with all you? Codes are heavy. He already has/will have a heavy frame so why add weight of codes/gutstavs/hopes/brembos (well the bling factor would be high :P ).

I will definately say formulas. One are better than my k24 and they feel much better than rubber juicys. I'd also recomend goodridge hoses.


Formulas are only 50g lighter than codes..... thats not heavy.

[Damo]

Cheers Norbar, well said. :cheers:

If I wanted any of these other suggestions, don't you think they'd be on the list?

There is no way in hell I would buy Hope disc brakes (sorry Brian).

I don't want Codes or Gustavs, never heard of Brembos.

XTR looks out of the race, Saints are lagging behind. Its between Avid and Formula now and it kinda looks like One for a win perhaps...

Both of these are the same price for me, so either way I win.

There are some good answers amongst these posts, so I'll sift through them at the end of the poll and buy what I'm told.

:thumb:

[S.K.C.]

Formulas are only 50g lighter than codes..... thats not heavy.

Actually the ONE's are a bit lighter than that:

Code Front:
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=337

Code Rear:
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=338

ONE Front:
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/6370

ONE Rear:
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/6371

So since those are the original Codes, subtract about 50g for the new mag 08' versions and you're still looking at about a 95g weight savings with the ONE's per system (front or rear)

Can i have a look at those numbers, Each year i make horizontal/vertical comparisson of parts...your imput would help alot
:monkeydance:

No problem - I'll send the Excel doc. to you in a PM later on tonight.

:)

[jvnixon]

No problem - I'll send the Excel doc. to you in a PM later on tonight.

:)

How dare you distribute my excel doc! :monkeydance:

[Biffff]

I've been running juicy carbons for the past couple years and they're very good. I bought the bleed kit and fitted Goodridge lines. This is an awesome combo.

[demo 9]

i have codes on mine work sooo well. thats ur problem, add codes to it and u will get a better answer

[Damo]

What are the Formulas like to bleed and work on?
The Saints are nice and easy and the Avids are a bit more work...

[sethimus]

Actually the ONE's are a bit lighter than that:

Code Front:
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=337

Code Rear:
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=338

ONE Front:
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/6370

ONE Rear:
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/6371

So since those are the original Codes, subtract about 50g for the new mag 08' versions and you're still looking at about a 95g weight savings with the ONE's per system (front or rear)



No problem - I'll send the Excel doc. to you in a PM later on tonight.

:)

but you can ride them with the juicy carbon levers, so there's still some weight saving potential

[Lumagent Morple]

I'm gonna agree with Brian on this one, Hope's all the way!

[S.K.C.]

How dare you distribute my excel doc! :monkeydance:

LoL...

With the express written permission of jvnixon and all parties of the first part...

jvnixon was indeed the creator of said spreadsheet. Very useful and interesting.

[mattmatt86]

What are the Formulas like to bleed and work on?
The Saints are nice and easy and the Avids are a bit more work...
I've had a much easier time bleeding Formulas than Avids.

[Curious_George]

LoL...



jvnixon was indeed the creator of said spreadsheet. Very useful and interesting.

im impatiently waiting that pm.....hit me up

[Racerx7734]

does this count?

http://i1.pinkbike.com/photo/1769/med/mpbpic1769361.jpg

Those are going on my next bike...........my xc bike.

[Damo]

47-33 looks like I'm ordering Formula unless someone convinces me otherwise

[Hougham]

Hope V2 for my cash. But out of the list it would be Saint or Formula.

[mattmatt86]

Can't go wrong with the formulas. If you don't like them I'll buy them from you.

[Socket]

I ran the numbers (piston diameters, stroke, brake pad surface area) with jvnixon, and believe it or not the new ONE brakes from Formula have the same power as SAINTS (which is more than the Codes) but weigh a little bit less than Juicy's.

Pretty nice bling factor for the regular ones, but if you want full-on pimpness you can get the polished GM Edition (Greg Minaarr) set.

So you get loads of power and tons of modulation in a lightweight package. Sounds good to me.

:)

Sick, did you take into account lever blade length, lever blade pull angle, heat dissipation and coefficients of friction? Otherwise it all means pretty much nothing...

[DHS]

there is no 2008 saint brakes.

[bullcrew]

I 2nd 3rd and 4th formulas, I have Biancos now and putting the ONES on my Canfield Jedi thats coming in april.
Ran Hopes and love them, still think they are the greatest brake out there. But my Formulas are right there with them suprisingly enough. I am happy with the formulas and the weight of them is great.