Clemson DH Race March 8, 2008

[WODIE]

This is the official race thread for Clemson Freeride's race. Instead of starting 5 new topics about the same thing, just post in here.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/cward2005/race.jpg

[Mr.Flannery]

Have we decided which course it will be on?

[hardtailpride]

Prob decide friday before the race...keep it interesting and fair between those who are close and those who drive a good ways.

Though I expect the new section under the wallride will be included. Too fun not to use those berms.

[Mr.Flannery]

Well, we were talking about that at the meeting... There were some concerns that the section under the wallride is a little too freeride oriented. Most of the concerns came with the double over the hole and then the step up. As Matt said, we have to make it to where the least experienced riders can still come out and have a good time.

As far as i understand, we are just going to make all kinds of lines off the main trail (since they arent that hard to make) and then go from there and decide which line would be the best to race on. Someone please correct me on that if I'm wrong.

Apparantly everyone at Icycle wanted to race on the old course.

[mattmatt86]

Yep, every single person I talked to at Icycle including Herdon, who has ridden the new section, said race the old course.

[WODIE]

Herndon did not ride the single track section yet which is more "downhill" oriented than the whole rest of the old course anyway. Its still up in the air though.

[FCLinder]

Me Like More Downhill Stuff!!!!! Will be there ether way. Guys let me know if you need me to help out with anything.

[profro]

I liked the course we ran last year. Good mix of pedaling , cornering, jumping, hucks to flat. I wouldn't mind running it again, but I'll race whatever.

[mattmatt86]

Herndon did not ride the single track section yet which is more "downhill" oriented than the whole rest of the old course anyway. Its still up in the air though. True, but the section he was referring to was the section behind the wall ride, which would be on the new course. It doesn't matter to me, I just want to appeal to the masses. We still have plenty of time to decide.

[drkenan]

Just a thought -

You've had 2 races on the old course so why not try something new?? I doubt anyone will really complain and if for some reason you guys don't like it, just race on the old course next time.

[WODIE]

I kind of feel the same way Kenan. It cant hurt to change things up a little. I too want to do what everyone wants but i do want to keep it fresh. If we do it on the new course, it will have some nice tight berms (FUN!!) and it will have some techy downhill that will challenge your skill. If anyone wants to meet us out here let me know. We would love to have a huge ride day. (gates are still locked so shuttling is not an option at the moment)

[mredrock]

Guys, I'd like to be able to compare my times on the old course with my old bike, to my times with a new bike. Just my 2 cents. I'm cool with whatever, but if you do a series, then we could mix it up!!!

[manimal]

i want you to make a course just for me for that one day; just call it "the oppressor" and only i can race it so that i'll get first place. ok cool, done deal. thanks ;)

i'm down with whatever course (assuming i can make it, haven't checked my work schedule yet)
i think noah is planning on trying the DH there this time if he can have a go around for the drop....if that is the course you use. either way we're looking forward to it :thumb:

[Jeremy R]

I doubt anyone will really complain

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Your optimism is inspirational.
I think I will now go visit the palestinians and broker a peace deal.

[mattmatt86]

Complaining at a DH race? That never happens.

[drkenan]

Complaining at a DH race? That never happens.

eeerrrrrrrrrrr....uuuummmmm....what I meant to say is that I won't complain at lease. :monkeydance:

[bizutch]

Can I make a suggestion for a NEW feature on the course that is my favorite? The good old monster step down!

Can anyone say Windrock Bulkhead drop? That wooden ladder thing we huck off of could be swapped out for a big giant berm with a stack of logs backfilled with dirt. Come down the hill, whip a 30-40 degree berm and Bulkhead drop wide open down that bank! :d

Oh....and post your race flyer and put it on the calender here:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/dh-ds/

[ridiculous]

so...who wants to pick me up from the airport?

[bizutch]

so...who wants to pick me up from the airport?

should have flown into asheville...then you'd have a downhill ride to Clemson....

[ridiculous]

havent bought the tickets yet, Im going to look at them this weekend.

[So-EastMatt]

If you fly into GSP, I live a mile from it.

[bizutch]

If you fly into GSP, I live a mile from it.

hows the view?

[mattmatt86]

Butch, if I Email you some flyers could you take them to some shops in Asheville?

[Dartman]

From the vids this course looks hardtail friendly, true?

[demolition dave]

From the vids this course looks hardtail friendly, true?


True......probably ideal since the trail is pretty much buffed out.

[bizutch]

From the vids this course looks hardtail friendly, true?

considering there are a few guys in Expert class who had to look at their friends afterwards and say..."I got beat by a guy on his wife's $300.00 hardtail.....yes, a hardtail is awesome for it!"

And Matt, get me those flyers and I'll get them front and center for you my friend. I work in Hendersonville, Asheville and Black Mountain so that's about 6-8 shops. I'll PM you my address.

Butch

[WODIE]

You can definitely ride a hardtail on the old trail.. let me just say ROOTS on the new trail extension. i'm sure you could still get through on a hardtail but it would not be fun. give me a shout if anyone wants to come ride.

[Dartman]

I might just have to come down and race with y'all then.

Recommendations on lodging in the area?

[pee dot one]

so...who wants to pick me up from the airport?

Just lemme know when. Im done with class on fridays at 2:15.

[WODIE]

I'm not sure on lodging where to direct you. There are several hotels in Clemson (i want to say at least 3-4). We dont really have enough people spending the night so we cant really strike up a deal with a hotel or anything. And just a notice, you cant camp in Issaqueena.. you could probably get away with it off the beaten path but you cant have fires except in their picnic shelter chimneys so thats kind of out of the question.

[Mike Fitz]

Butch, if I Email you some flyers could you take them to some shops in Asheville?

If you want to send it to me I can get some up in the Charlotte area aswell. Let me Know. Email n2omike@hotmail.com or send me a pm

[mattmatt86]

I'll try and get those flyers sent to Mike and Butch as soon as we get some sponsors squared away and we get their logos on the flyer.

[So-EastMatt]

I got to ride the new lower section of the course yesterday. The new 180 degree berm section is mint and the long rooty/ off camber section after that is going to be a blast once it gets ridden it a little bit more. It should be perfect by race time.

[Mr.Flannery]

I got to ride the new lower section of the course yesterday. The new 180 degree berm section is mint and the long rooty/ off camber section after that is going to be a blast once it gets ridden it a little bit more. It should be perfect by race time.

So do you think we should have the race on the new section?

[manimal]

is it worth having a separate beginner and sport/ex/pro course?

[So-EastMatt]

I think the new section will be a lot of fun, especially once it gets polished up/ridden in a little bit more. It would be cool to keep the old section alive so that if you decide to have another race this season, you could run it on that course. The new berms are so much fun and that rooty-straightaway will be a totally new twist, but I had fun ridding it. I think it's got the makings of a good race track. I think the thing to keep in mind is that it's all about the atmosphere that you create, and you guys have got that part down. Brandon, It's still the kind of course that can be ridden by pretty much anyone.

[ridiculous]

Im told the new section is like a mini powerline is this true?

[WODIE]

Im told the new section is like a mini powerline is this true?

In a way, yes. some nice tight berms with a couple of jumps, not as huge but tight and fun. Then you get to get a nice long run out on a fast but challenging, rooty, single track.

[mattmatt86]

Im told the new section is like a mini powerline is this true?
thats a bit of a stretch. Theres a few nice berms back to back followed by some XC style singletrack.

[hardtailpride]

The new section for me is just like a quick DS section, some small tech jumps and nice big berms. The DH section afterwards, adds some much need high speed trail, as well as a couple awesome DH floater jumps. I am all in for racing the new trail sections.

[manimal]

awesome...sounds fun :thumb:

shuttle access on race day?

[hardtailpride]

Due to lack of use during the first race, I wouldnt plan on a shuttle. Though we do have quite a few pick up trucks in the club. So if the interest is there it could be arranged. Those who want one please voice your opinons!

[ridiculous]

You had me at big berms. Sounds cool and would mix things up...now if only we could find an alternate pedal section.

[FCLinder]

Just found out this past weekeend I will be out of town during this race weekend.....:disgust1: Sorry guys, but if you still need my help for anything let me know.

Cecil

[bizutch]

You had me at big berms. Sounds cool and would mix things up...now if only we could find an alternate pedal section.

as in "more" pedaling...or figuring out a way to avoid the current section?

If you think that's pedaling, just go do the Dark Mtn Super D first or ride the old course we built at Clemson that went straight down the fire road. That pedaling section is just about the only one out there I don't complain about. :rockout:

[hardtailpride]

There is possiblity of adding some rollers to the uphill pedal section / changing up the table right before to help with more speed. Finding away around would only keep you from the A-frame and following berms.

[WODIE]

Cecil i think the best thing you could do at this point is cancel your plans.. i mean its biking. haha sad you cant come that day but i'm sure we'll see you out some other time.

There probably wont be a shuttle and the reason is that the time that it takes you to ride up in that sweat box and then make it to the head of the trail isnt really that much shorter, if at all, than pushing up the fire road. If there were a better way, we would do it but in the location where we are its just not that advantageous in the long run.

Jon, yes there are some nice berms but let me just tell you my friend, it would be at your advantage to be confident in riding berms fast and switching back and forth. (not a problem) they're not as big as the wallride or anything so they're not "big" in that sense.

As far as the rollers and table in the pedal section, significant changes in that are probably doubtful. We already spend a good bit of time out at the trail working in between studying so i cant promise at all that we meet all demands simply posted up on the internet.

[bizutch]

There is possiblity of adding some rollers to the uphill pedal section / changing up the table right before to help with more speed. Finding away around would only keep you from the A-frame and following berms.

would be pretty funny if you turned that entire straight into a BMX track rhythm section....would defeat the big bike guys and make hardtail pride all the rage...:busted:

[G-spot]

Couple of Richmond,Va, Monkies are talking about coming down for the race? are there any campgrounds, or Hotel,Motels close to the area, and how long of a course?

[hardtailpride]

Expert times in the super low 2 min range. Sport times from about 2:15 and up. Beg. times from 2:30 and up.

Amount of fun you will have riding the course-- infinite.

There are a good number of hotels in clemson. Camping is sparce.

[bizutch]

Expert times in the super low 2 min range. Sport times from about 2:15 and up. Beg. times from 2:30 and up.

Amount of fun you will have riding the course-- infinite.

There are a good number of hotels in clemson. Camping is sparce.

are there gonna be any insanely rabid sports fans there for any reason? I had a race on time at Wolf Laurel and 6 months in advance the hotel said they were booked b/c it was freshman orientation.

[ridiculous]

Couple of Richmond,Va, Monkies are talking about coming down for the race? are there any campgrounds, or Hotel,Motels close to the area, and how long of a course?

Lets get a carpool together I can meet you in Richmond. Days Inn in Clemson will be the closest & cheapest to the race.

[WODIE]

I doubt you will have trouble getting a hotel and if it comes down to that then you can let me know. As for camping, while its frowned upon in issaqueena (at least no fire making, you can get away with camping in there), i havent had any trouble camping on campus.. still no fire making but only a few strange looks. :)

[ridiculous]

Chris do you guys need help with anything? When you have a waiver drafted up I would like to see it if you dont mind.

[WODIE]

Yeah, i'll pm you.

[FCLinder]

Cecil i think the best thing you could do at this point is cancel your plans.. i mean its biking. haha sad you cant come that day but i'm sure we'll see you out some other time.

I will be in Vegas... Sorry... I will make the next one. I think a few of us will be out there next Sunday....

[drkenan]

For some good news:

I'm sick of not being able to ride after I get off work so I was looking up the start date for daylight savings and it looks like it's gonna be the day after your race! Not too far away...

[bizutch]

Chris do you guys need help with anything? When you have a waiver drafted up I would like to see it if you dont mind.

you can go on USA Cycling's website and run a copy of their waiver form off and then just replace their name with your own.

http://www.usacycling.org/forms/rider_release.pdf

[ridiculous]

Technically everything this club does is still in my name so I want to make sure that it is on there.

[untitledsince89]

Due to lack of use during the first race, I wouldnt plan on a shuttle. Though we do have quite a few pick up trucks in the club. So if the interest is there it could be arranged. Those who want one please voice your opinons!

Dear god please have shuttles, that was my only complaint at the last (fall race):monkeydance:

[WODIE]

Dear god please have shuttles, that was my only complaint at the last (fall race):monkeydance:
Keep in mind we're just a bunch of college kids putting on a race on a course that we poured our sweat into. Thats more money that the club would have to spend and like i said before, the advantages of having a box truck to move people in are almost outweighed by the disadvantages.

[manimal]

no box truck needed, just make it accessible for us to shuttle ourselves. i can get in about 1.5 runs per hour while pushing two bikes up the hill. if there is access to drive up i can shuttle some folks up and take turns. just a thought...not being needy, just a suggestion. you guys have put in a lot of work and we're all very grateful :thumb:

[Murphy's Law]

yeah not for nothing the amount of dust i inhaled on the box truck at last years race pretty much counter-acted the effects of not walking up to the top. it wasn't that bad of a push to the top. suck it up people. the course was as fun as :monkeydance:throwing poop at each other. i'm unemployed at the moment, but trying to scrape together the cash to make it down there again........

ps i didn't see big bike class on the flyer, will there be one? or should i leave the 303 at home this year???

[ridiculous]

get on the 303 and devastate the pro class. BTW that scary drop has been fixed if you didnt know.

As for the shuttle it takes more time to get shuttled than it does to just walk up the fireroad. Also in the current conditions continuously running a truck on the dirt road is not going to be good for us.

[Murphy's Law]

get on the 303 and devastate the pro class. BTW that scary drop has been fixed if you didnt know.


it was only scary when joe haley and i tried to hit it at mach turkey during practice :imstupid:

[G-spot]

Well not to sound petty, but what are the spoils for the victors?and /or shirts? and giveaways?Just trying to get a idea for what it is going to be like. I know that I will not win anything ,just wondering-Fund raiser for the club.

[mattmatt86]

I'll give you a really sweet High Five and an empty redbull can.

[manimal]

matt really does give some cool high five's :thumb:

and maybe i was going the wrong way but it took us about 20+ minutes to push up the fire road. probably has to do with waiting on little legs to catch up ;)

[WODIE]

I commend you for having to push two bikes up the fire road too. As for prizes, we're still working those out right now as we're still getting in sponsors. So far as dedicated sponsors we have Morewood Bikes, Clemson Cyclery, and Eastern Bikes.

[bizutch]

it wasn't that bad of a push to the top. suck it up people.

Murphy, he's not whining about a shuttle. Manimal is little Noah's dad. He has to push two bikes up the hill at once, all the while encouraging Noah to hoof it. And Noah is about the height of your femur, so him just walking up Clemson beside Brandon twice is the equivalent of you walking up Sugar several times while carrying an Igloo cooler on your head.:D

[mattmatt86]

I'm more than willing to shuttle peoples bikes to the top of the course as long as my truck is allowed inside the forest.

[manimal]

haha...nice analogy butch :thumb:

the shuttle thing isn't really a big deal, i'm just trying to optimize practice time so that i can get in a few full speed runs in addition to the "coach noah" runs :D
noah has the date marked on his calendar and counts down the days before bedtime each night.....he's so excited and says he can't wait to his the wall ride again :thumb:
"hey noah, the clemson race is coming up soon."
"ummm, which one is clemson? i forgot?"
"the one with the curved wall ride"
"oh man! i LOVE that course!"

you guys rock :thumb:

[BD-DV07]

Oh my god! there are trails like this in South Carolina? and just random, any plans to have a race on a Sunday, because i work Saturdays. This is unbelievable! haha, I totally thought someone had found a picture from like the west coast of that big wall ride and used it for your flier! enough of this.. Clemson, well done, well done!! or in the words of Skrek "tha'ul do Donkey, Tha'ul do." made props to that rider on on Youtube also. he would put my friends at VA Tech a run for their money.

[ridiculous]

had the last race on sunday, I dont see that happening again. Or at least not until we host conferences on a saturday again.

[BD-DV07]

had the last race on sunday, I dont see that happening again. Or at least not until we host conferences on a saturday again.

oh no, was it a bad turnout or something? sorry, I've been in Iraq for the last 5 months or so, so was a bit busy, couldn't make it to that sunday race.

[manimal]

saturday races seem to work better as a lot of people come from out of town and if the race is on a sunday they have to beat feet to get out of there in a hurry to make it back in time for work/school.
i had to stop at a gas station to give noah a shower so that he could sleep on the way home and be ready for school in the am :D

[drkenan]

i had to stop at a gas station to give noah a shower so that he could sleep on the way home and be ready for school in the am :D

Hopefully Social Services doesn't monitor RM :busted:

[manimal]

hey man, that shower cost me $10!

it was actually really nice, all hotel like and stuff with a little shampoo/soap hobby kit and towel (even though i brought our own)
i just sat in the attached mcdonalds where i could see the shower area and waited for him to come out. gas station showers today aren't the dirty brothels that murphy is accustomed to up north ;)

[bizutch]

....gas station showers today aren't the dirty brothels that murphy is accustomed to up north ;)
now now...all those years of therapy and you could go triggering a relapse:twitch:

[drkenan]

it was actually really nice, all hotel like and stuff with a little shampoo/soap hobby kit and towel (even though i brought our own)


That makes a lot more sense. Your previous post conjured up images of Noah getting a "whore's bath" in a dirty bathroom sink. :D

[bizutch]

Yeah...that should be a big FYI to people on road trips. If you are car camping and there's no showers, always head to the closest truck stop. These days they have private showers decked out for even the prissiest bird dog! http://www.swampland.com/img/Image/articles/jerryreed/jerryreed_bomber.jpg

[Dartman]

http://www.tatravelcenters.com/taweb/Content/SiteTxt.aspx?page_id=542

[FCLinder]

Ok so the new section behind the wall ride is the ST!!!!! It’s done better than the Power Line Trail at Snowshoe. The lower section that is off camber took my out today. A root that was wet washed my front out and I hit a tree hard!!! I was very lucky not to take out my shoulder on the tree. Walked away with a bruised up arm and maybe a broken Rib. I really think you guys should run it for the race and wish I was going to be able to make the race.

Great job guys!!!!:clapping:

[WODIE]

Right now that is the planned route for the race. Those roots can definitely be a challenge for you but glad that you werent hurt bad.

[FCLinder]

Right now that is the planned route for the race. Those roots can definitely be a challenge for you but glad that you werent hurt bad.

I think I just tried to take that line to fast in the wet. Other than that I love the new lay out. The last part is more like a real DH course with the high speed through the Woods.

[ridiculous]

Ill send over the waiver tonight, im waiting for comcast to actually hook my internet up. They claim they will be here between 4-7 so hopefully before the meeting tonight.


Im definitely coming my car pool situation isnt concrete yet but as of now im bringing at least 1 person from baltimore with me. He used to race bmx nationally so im interested to see how he will do on the course. Hopefully pulling in late friday, whats the party situation?

[manimal]

He used to race bmx nationally so im interested to see how he will do on the course. Hopefully pulling in late friday, whats the party situation?

crap...another pro bmx-er that will probably race sport because "this is my first mtb race" :rolleyes: ;)


will we be able to practice on friday?

[hardtailpride]

will we be able to practice on friday?


Yep, just watch for trail maitenance. There will be a fair bit of buffing/taping/digging a happening that afternoon.

[Jeremy R]

I just want to give props for whoever built that new berm section.
That is by far the best thing created at Clemson since the 1981 football team (holla Danny Ford).
Great use of the land, and it reminds me of those berms in the US Open race course.

[FCLinder]

Yep, just watch for trail maitenance. There will be a fair bit of buffing/taping/digging a happening that afternoon.

Ya the new Berm Section needs to be Taped off. You can streight line part of it right out of the first berm after the wall ride.

[manimal]

cool, if i can work out a cheap room we'll probably come down friday to practice and get some vid/pics. otherwise i spend most of my practice time on race day doing slow runs w/ noah ;)

[hardtailpride]

I'd recommed it. They have funkfest fridays in the afternoon which noah would be a great addition too.

[weylessrider67]

I plan on coming down Friday after class, and getting a hotel room...but does anyone know of a hotel in the area that wouldnt mind somebody bringing a bike in the room...I'm not too excited on the idea of just locking my bike in the bed of my pickup while I'm sleeping....

[downhiller2010]

just find a motel that has doors on the outside drive up to it and take ur bike out and roll it in. I wouldn't ask ?'s i would just do it

[bizutch]

I plan on coming down Friday after class, and getting a hotel room...but does anyone know of a hotel in the area that wouldnt mind somebody bringing a bike in the room...I'm not too excited on the idea of just locking my bike in the bed of my pickup while I'm sleeping....

just toss it on a bike rack outside one of the dorms on campus unwashed. Everyone will think it's some clunker and not go near it.

[WODIE]

Weyless, in my opinion i would care less what the hotels were thinking and walk my bike straight in. There arent any laws against having a bike inside. If you run into any problems with where you're keeping it past that then just let me know and we'll work something out.

The new berm section on race day will be taped more than Britney Spears' baby mama drama.. The only way through will be to ride through the berms. And Jeremy, if you've ever gone to Rick's place in Woodruff thats where i got the idea for those tight downward turning berms. Glad you like it.

Butch i might be giving you a call tomorrow, unless i get a reply to the email i sent you earlier.

[FCLinder]

if you've ever gone to Rick's place in Woodruff thats where i got the idea for those tight downward turning berms.

Does he still have that place up and running? It’s been a while sense I have been out there to ride. The Day Dave broke his SX in half.

[bizutch]

Does he still have that place up and running? It’s been a while sense I have been out there to ride. The Day Dave broke his SX in half.

was this the new and improved Dave or the "I gotta climb what?" Dave?

[the diner]

The new berm section on race day will be taped more than Britney Spears' baby mama drama..

bwahahaha
anyways Im def gonna try and be there with Stubby and it will be my first time riding there. Im getting excited, Ive heard very good things

[hardtailpride]

Believe everything your hear. Its pretty much the most fun you can have on a bike.

[mredrock]

Guys, can anybody get some shots of the new sections and post 'em?

[WODIE]

Tomorrow i'm going to try to take my helmet cam out
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/cward2005/Photo0021.jpg

Thats right, i made it myself and its awesome. and no manimal that is definitely not a speed limit sign.

But we'll see if we can get some footage/pictures if we get a chance.

[hardtailpride]

MMM helmet cam in the rain... should be sick.

[ridiculous]

...thinking about taking friday off work. Be there either stupid late thursday night or balls early friday, perhaps mid afternoon friday. Who knows im excited to ride my bike, I find it funny that my first time this season will be right where I left off if i dont ride next weekend.

[mredrock]

Hey guys, the wife was asking if there is goin to be food?

[WODIE]

Yes, we will have some food to grill out. If you dont want that, the fast food restaurants in clemson are only a short drive out.

[ATOMICFIREBALL]

How long is the course in miles? Or minutes.

[WODIE]

Since we have changed the second half of the course it is hard to say the current course's distance in miles or minutes right now. The times on the old course were ballpark 2+ minutes so there shouldnt be too much variation.

[mredrock]

Any pics or footage of the new course yet? Wil, I know you're out there ridin, just strap your phone to your helmet and rip it up!!!

[demolition dave]

Any pics or footage of the new course yet?

Here is a pic of Matt in one of the new berms behind the wallride:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_QLiIqRVhjh0/R6-N56S6rwI/AAAAAAAAADI/i_WMPeyfpu4/s1600/clemsonjan1.jpg

[Jeremy R]

Here is a pic of Matt in one of the new berms behind the wallride:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_QLiIqRVhjh0/R6-N56S6rwI/AAAAAAAAADI/i_WMPeyfpu4/s1600/clemsonjan1.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d174/bikeryder007/fail.jpg

[bizutch]

Boo crap. That's not a pic of Matt Griffin. That's some wanna be fairy in denim and Thriller gloves. Matt would never be caught dead in "fairy" paws....

[demolition dave]

Boo crap. That's not a pic of Matt Griffin. That's some wanna be fairy in denim and Thriller gloves. Matt would never be caught dead in "fairy" paws....

http://freeridesouth.com/phpbb/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif http://freeridesouth.com/phpbb/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif Oops! I guess I ASSumed it was Matt because I saw the pic in one of his posts on the SEI Team Blog. Sorry fellers..........

[demolition dave]

Are you guys sure? Or is this some kind of "inside" joke that goes back a dozen years or so? :busted:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_QLiIqRVhjh0/R6-NxqS6rvI/AAAAAAAAADA/iN3rmBBal58/s1600/clemsonjan2.jpg

[drkenan]

Are you guys sure? Or is this some kind of "inside" joke that goes back a dozen years or so? :busted:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_QLiIqRVhjh0/R6-NxqS6rvI/AAAAAAAAADA/iN3rmBBal58/s1600/clemsonjan2.jpg

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/failagaincrane.jpg

[bizutch]

Are you guys sure? Or is this some kind of "inside" joke that goes back a dozen years or so? :busted:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_QLiIqRVhjh0/R6-NxqS6rvI/AAAAAAAAADA/iN3rmBBal58/s1600/clemsonjan2.jpg

Matt's had the same pair of hole in the palm gloves for something like 4 years now and refused to buy anything else....it's a "thrill" to see him in new mittens.:clapping:

[So-EastMatt]

Uh, dude...2002 called- they want their bike back. That guy seriously needs to think about updating his bike before he thinks about his fassion.

[adevault]

big bike class??

[mattmatt86]

Yea, there will be a big bike class. They put 45 lbs or more on the flyer, but I had to remind them this isn't 2000, so we will probably bump that down to 40 lbs.

[weylessrider67]

Its official ! my p.o.s weyless 67 is 40.4 lbs !!!!

[manimal]

i'm not a big fan of the big bike class. it's not any advantage for a sport level rider on a big bike to race a semi-pro level racer on a big bike. i'll just stick to my class rather than take my chances in an open category ;)

[WODIE]

We are looking into the weight for the big bike class. The biggest dispute with this is to determine a difference between a well built dh bike that weighs in at right at 40 versus a true big bike that weighs 48 lbs. Yes, its not 2000 any more but with most dh bikes around 40 lbs it would be a cheap shot for bikes that are more influenced by gravity.. We'll get back to you on the actual big bike weigh in but it probably wont stay at 45.

I'm like you manimal. I'm not really worried about the threat of someone being faster than me on another big bike though, i would rather just challenge myself with those at a similar riding level and race sport.

[manimal]

i would rather just challenge myself with those at a similar riding level and race sport.

yup...it's too bad that sport is pretty much the bastard class though. it ranges from beginners who have raced a few times and don't want to be labeled as sandbaggers right on up to top 10 level expert racers who don't want to pay the expert fees :rolleyes:
i wish there was a way to "qualify" for each class but...at least we're racing. :D

[bizutch]

yup...it's too bad that sport is pretty much the bastard class though. it ranges from beginners who have raced a few times and don't want to be labeled as sandbaggers right on up to top 10 level expert racers who don't want to pay the expert fees :rolleyes:
i wish there was a way to "qualify" for each class but...at least we're racing. :D

more like expert racers who only have 1 bike and don't want to get roasted by guys lucky enough to own 2 different race bikes. :thumb:

I know several guys who are competitive DH'ers and Clemson wouldn't get their check if they had to put a 40lb DH bike against the rest of the expert class on a course like Clemson.

Now..granted 4 of the last 6 years at Sea Otter, a full on DH bike has won that DH...so...

[manimal]

so it's ok to sandbag if you can't afford a course specific bike? or am i reading you wrong?

[ulockjustice]

yeah lame. big bike class is kind of a cop-out, unless you guys just have an obscene amount of prizes etc from sponsors. classes should be based on ability level and not equipment choices. If you decide not to go to a grassroots DH race solely because you dont think you can win youre in the wrong sport.

if you do a big bike class, you might as well do a hardtail , single speed hardtail, sub 5 inch travel, 5-6 inch travel, and 6+ inch travel class. maybe separate classes for 6" or 8" brake rotors. or hydraulic vs cable brakes. if you dont i know a bunch of guys somewhere that probably wont come to your race.


why should race promoters be forced to make separate classes because you bought some huge honkin 9+", 45 lb huckster machine that you cant be competitive on?

[ridiculous]

yeah for the first race we had a big bike class. I think there were 5 of us total and some also raced expert. Im pretty sure we gave out medals/prizes 4 deep too. Its not really worth it, I would keep it the way you have it.

Classes should be made up by sex, skill, and age, not equipment.

[Dartman]

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How about a Hoveround class? :p

[bizutch]

I know the guys who raced Big Bike last year, the top 3 all finished in the exact same second and were happy to pit themselves against guys with the same handicap...and a DH bike IS a handicap at Clemson unless you're Tyler Williams.

And I know it's a fun alternative to the same situation at Big Mountain courses where people who can't afford a full on DH bike absolutely chomp at the bit to race a "HARDTAIL DH" category just to test their mettle against people on the same equipment.

The greatest thing I ever did was when we all agreed on our race series having a Hardtail category. It was the most exciting category and had the most entries once or twice.

You take the big bike category out for guys who only have a DH bike..and yes, you'll lose ridership. Frankly, I don't blame them. If you're a competitor...you wan't to COMPETE...not show up and suffer. let's be honest...guys on big bikes have a lot more options on March 8th that would be hella fun if they so chose.

If you give them their own category, they'll come down out of the mountains to "compete". :D

Brandon, I'm sorry you feel like you can't beat certain guys in Big Bike class brother...but it's a fun category to ride regardless.

[mattmatt86]

We can never win can we? Personally I didn't want a big bike class either, but I don't make the decisions around here.

Just come out, ride your bike, and have fun!

[ulockjustice]

bitching on the interwebz is way more fun though.

[ridiculous]

not nearly as much fun as that course is though. IMO its worth it on any bike.

[?????]

I'm thinking about going to this, but I won't have my dh bike back by then. The only other thing that I have is my xc bike. Titus motolite 5" rear suspension, 5" front fox 32, and a 50mm stem w/ riser bars. How well do you think the bike would work on this track?

[hardtailpride]

drop the seat, and throw on the shortest stem you have and git'r done. Alot of guys race this thing on there 4x/XC bikes anyways so you should be fine. Prob help with the short pedal section anyways.

[Metal Dude]

I know the guys who raced Big Bike last year, the top 3 all finished in the exact same second and were happy to pit themselves against guys with the same handicap...and a DH bike IS a handicap at Clemson unless you're Tyler Williams.

And I know it's a fun alternative to the same situation at Big Mountain courses where people who can't afford a full on DH bike absolutely chomp at the bit to race a "HARDTAIL DH" category just to test their mettle against people on the same equipment.

The greatest thing I ever did was when we all agreed on our race series having a Hardtail category. It was the most exciting category and had the most entries once or twice.

You take the big bike category out for guys who only have a DH bike..and yes, you'll lose ridership. Frankly, I don't blame them. If you're a competitor...you wan't to COMPETE...not show up and suffer. let's be honest...guys on big bikes have a lot more options on March 8th that would be hella fun if they so chose.

If you give them their own category, they'll come down out of the mountains to "compete". :D

Brandon, I'm sorry you feel like you can't beat certain guys in Big Bike class brother...but it's a fun category to ride regardless.

Have to agree with Butch.... You can't compare this course with the way things are
run at a real DH race. It is a fun course but, I only have a big bike and it seems more appealing
to just go there and ride for free another weekend vs. paying to race against bikes I know I can't compete with.
Or like he said go to Windrock and ride a course for big bikes.
I understand it is a double edged sword, the novice guy on the big bike doesn't want to race the pro whom he feels he can't compete with either.
Although, on this course if you can pedal it doesn't really make a huge difference with skill level.
I am debating coming to the event and won't solely base it on if there is a big bike class, but, will have an effect on my decision.

[manimal]

Brandon, I'm sorry you feel like you can't beat certain guys in Big Bike class brother...but it's a fun category to ride regardless.

you're missing my point. an open category big bike class does nothing to help the beginner/sport level rider who can only afford one bike because he's stuck racing any pro/ex level rider who chooses to also race the big bike class. take hobby park for an example. guys like moto and andy devault were racing big bike so there is no competitive edge for beg/sport riders because most of us mere mortals would get smoked by moto and andy even if we were on motor assisted hardtails and they were on 50lb bender bikes.
the only point i was making (i wasn't trying to start a huge debate) is that the big bike class does not offer a competitive edge if you're racing people who would be in a higher class in the first place.

i think you should definitely keep the big bike class, i was just stating what i've learned from racing big bike in the past. i've usually done better overall by sticking to the sport class and just sucking up the weight penalty than going against super fast guys on big bikes.

edit: and just for the record, i'm not debating this on my account as my bottlerocket is just about right for this type of course. if i still had the demo i'd probably race sport anyway ;)

[manimal]

We can never win can we?

oh you have no idea! after that pic of noah w/ the beer appeared the game is on! if i were you i'd be nervous around every turn on that course; you never know where i'll jump out...or maybe a little bit of pepper spray in your goggles/helmet will do the trick :pirate2: ;) :D

I pitty the foool!!
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/88000/88322vbDA_w.jpg

[mattmatt86]

I'm not even gonna be there so you'll have to hunt me down another time.

[manimal]

crap!!!! so who do you want me to beat in your stead?

[Dartman]

It's gonna be a long summer. :p

[mattmatt86]

crap!!!! so who do you want me to beat in your stead?
What if I just remove that photo and all the evidence?

[Dartman]

What if I just remove that photo and all the evidence?

My quote is gone.

[mattmatt86]

alright, I'll do the same

[manimal]

nah, noah thinks it's cool ;)

well, i suppose i can let this one slide...i mean, at least you didn't give him a PBR for the pic :D

[manimal]

you guys know i'm completely kidding right?

[ridiculous]

technically manimal you do know where he lives. Im told the doors there are really thin too... a little birdie told me. haha

[Dartman]

you guys know i'm completely kidding right?

Yes, but I still think Matt's fuqued. :p

[WODIE]

DRAMA :monkeydance:

[manimal]

technically manimal you do know where he lives. Im told the doors there are really thin too... a little birdie told me. haha

do you still have the same room mate that noah called the fat elf? :rofl:

in all seriousness...i was completely kidding, i hope the ;) smiley explained that. the big bike rant had nothing to do with the clemson guys, i was just stating my personal experience with it. sorry if i set a bad vibe.....
with that said, here's a pic to make it all better:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a307/sempertubby2/P1000576.jpg

[bizutch]

I'm not "arguing"...discussing. :D I like to talk it all through...so that guys don't get discouraged and still come out. That's my goal...if anybody thinks I'm pissin' and moanin'...you're in for a real treat when i actually do. I can make e-tears pur out your little e-eyes! :devil:

Look at me...all I had last time was my Sunday. I was gonna come and race big bike but my wife even knew I wanted to "compete" so I bummed her bike....$300.00 worth of girls bike and a smile on my face later....bang.

Oh...I'll actually have a functioning legit hardtail for the race this time around! :thumb:

[weylessrider67]

I have a few questions ?

How much is the entry fee, and do I have to print any forms out online ? I'm 21 so can I just register on Saturday morning ?

When I click on directions on the website it goes to the homepage, so can someone post up some directions sometime ?

If we get there on Friday will be able to practice Friday afternoon ?

Thanks for the help in advance ! I'm looking foward to it, and hear lots of good things about the course....

[WODIE]

The entry fee is $30 (on the flyer) and you will register when you get there. Registration is from 1-11am.

I was doing a WHOLE lot of work on the website and i missed a couple of links but they should be fixed now. If there are any other errors just let me know.

You will be able to ride some Friday.. around us. We might be doing some last minute trail work and i know we'll be taping the course. We wont have any problem with you riding but just try not to run us over. :)

I'm pretty sure we're still going to have big bike and its going to be 40+ lbs. I've got to add it to the flyer though.

[ridiculous]

"do you still have the same room mate that noah called the fat elf? :rofl:



HAAAAAA! I completely forgot about that. He deserved it for hustling a 6 year old in halo. I thought it was going to be the other way around. To my knowledge the "elf" still there. Break in silently he is prepared for the zombie apocalypse. :busted: ..."Noah, youve got 5 minutes buddy"...3 hours later...""Noah youve got 5 minutes buddy, his mom is going to kill me when she finds out a let me play Halo until 2 am with an elf"

[manimal]

Look at me...all I had last time was my Sunday. I was gonna come and race big bike but my wife even knew I wanted to "compete" so I bummed her bike....$300.00 worth of girls bike and a smile on my face later....bang.

Oh...I'll actually have a functioning legit hardtail for the race this time around! :thumb:

i don't know butch..i mean, the wife's bike really did wonders for your skin. :D

[manimal]

HAAAAAA! I completely forgot about that. He deserved it for hustling a 6 year old in halo. I thought it was going to be the other way around. To my knowledge the "elf" still there. Break in silently he is prepared for the zombie apocalypse. :busted: ......3 hours later...

that was "5 minutes" in halo time. kind of like 5 pinkbike feet.

[bizutch]

The entry fee is $30 (on the flyer) and you will register when you get there. Registration is from 1-11am.

I...I've got to add it to the flyer though.

hard to pass out a flyer to bike shops if I don't have one to give them....bizutch@hotmail.com:busted:

[WODIE]

You can download it off of the first post in this thread if you want to go ahead and get it. I'm actually going to be contacting a lot of bike shops today to get it out so i'll put your email in the mix too.

[WODIE]

Just a little bit of update, i dont think we will be having food out there because its such a hastle on our end and the one time we did have food i'm pretty sure we ended up eating most of it. There are plenty of places that you pass by on your way in that are just a short drive from the race. More reason to bring the wife?

[bizutch]

FYI..at Wolf they didn't want to open their canteen the years I did races there, so they called a BBQ guy in Asheville who came up and sold drinks and BBQ sandwichs, chips and stuff right out of his mobile store. I'd guarantee there's one where you guys are.

[Mr.Flannery]

We could call big dave's BBQ. I'm not sure if they have a truck or anything though. Any input?

[ridiculous]

chic fil a does this too, but i think you have to buy stuff in advance. like right now. 7-11 reallly needs a mobile truck.

[brado1]

Question? you guys need volunteers for anything to help do anything?
reason i ask, I'll bring it up at tonights Sorba meeting at the great Escape. Note: i can't guarantee anyone will come out other than myself to shoot photos, but we may get a couple folks willing to help out, it's worth asking.

let me know, and i'll see what we can get

brad
www.upstatesorba.org

[bizutch]

Question? you guys need volunteers for anything to help do anything?
reason i ask, I'll bring it up at tonights Sorba meeting at the great Escape. Note: i can't guarantee anyone will come out other than myself to shoot photos, but we may get a couple folks willing to help out, it's worth asking.

let me know, and i'll see what we can get

brad
www.upstatesorba.org

I'm thinking you guys should use it as an opportunity to pass out lots of flyers on windshields and in race packets to racers for your group.

[WODIE]

Brad, i'll look into it and get back to you on it later today.
As far as food, i'm pretty sure you DO have to pay in advance for the chicfillah sandwiches but at a discounted rate.. again a hastle for us. I might do what zach said and talk to the people at Dave's bbq. Not sure if they'll want to do anything but we'll see.. (otherwise, its still only a short drive to go pick up something)

EDIT:: One other thing, we will be selling some tshirts at the race. (limited supply) They're $15 with our logo on the front and a downhiller on the back with the phrase "the fun is between our legs"... might not be suitable in mixed company but it sure is fun to watch old women's faces when they read it :pirate2:

[wiL]

After multiple runs on the course today inclusive of the new section, the times are looking like they will be anywhere from 2:00-2:35 with an average around 2:20, maybe quicker once she packs down a bit.

[haromtnbiker]

Is there anywhere near the course where I could camp? Or even just drive up and sleep in my car on Friday night?

[WODIE]

I'm going to stay on the safe side and say no. You cant camp in the forest and i dont really know of anywhere else you can camp (no camp grounds real close). I'm sure you can just park somewhere and sleep if thats what you want to do. Or you can camp on Clemson's campus.. no fires but you wont get bugged too much. At least they dont have any laws against that.

[mredrock]

(Quote) One other thing, we will be selling some tshirts at the race. (limited supply) They're $15 with our logo on the front and a downhiller on the back with the phrase "the fun is between our legs"... might not be suitable in mixed company but it sure is fun to watch old women's faces when they read it . YO dude, I'm in for a shirt! Med if you got one.

[mredrock]

I'm stayin at the KOA in Andeson. Not too far, and they have some cool cabins for 40 bucks. Last year ours had a twin bed and a bunk bed, so you should be able to sleep 3 without a prob. I check in Fri. so I'll keep an eye out for ya. PM me if you need the location.

[ridiculous]

If youre going to sleep in your car I recommend anywhere around campus that ISNT ON campus. May I suggest an apt complex parking lot or hotel parking lot or the BI-LO.

[WODIE]

Cool, like I said though since we have a limited supply its first come first serve so I can't really hold any for anybody. I'm not sure if I said it before but we are still having big bike class and I think we will have the bike weight at roughly 40 plus.

[ridiculous]

Random find...So I was cleaning up our forum today and came across this picture. I almost shed a tear.
Im pretty sure this was the day we finished the creek gap, the only thing left was the infamous wallride.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/jone00blaze/IMG_5618.jpg

[ridiculous]

Looking at it again I think Matt G. bike is the only one in that photo that is still in service.

[pee dot one]

Looking at it again I think Matt G. bike is the only one in that photo that is still in service.


Nonsense poopy pants! The p.1 is still kickin, but with some serious modifications. Check out that kid in the red shirt...sweet hair.

[mredrock]

For you guys looking for somewhere to camp, heres a link to the Anderson/Lake Hartwell KOA http://www.koa.com/where/sc/40101/ Cool little place, check it out!!!

[ridiculous]

indeed, was that my red sophmore class 2005 shirt from a school i didnt even go to, nor a class I belonged to?

[hardtailpride]

Sam had hair then too....my how things have changed. Such a classic Clemson Freeride shot !

[ridiculous]

i really wish i had the original still, that would make a great poster. Speaking of orginals do you still have those photos from my last day at the trail?

[hardtailpride]

yes...somewheres in the depths of my computer. Im on vacation all next week so ill do some work on them then get them off to you. Honestly we need to reshoot on the new berm section...talk about some great shots waiting to be taken.

[ridiculous]

yeah im hoping the women remember their dslr's this time. I might grab my dads again on the way down.

[mattmatt86]

Who's that wanker in the pink helmet? What a tool.

[manimal]

i think i'm gonna get a cabin at KOA on friday as well, anyone want to split the cost w/ me? it sleeps 4 so there will be 2 bed spots left. about $10 per person. pm me if you're interested.

[mredrock]

Any of you guys definitly stayin at the Anderson KOA? I'll be there on Friday and just wanted to see if any DHers would be there. Holla!

[Murphy's Law]

hey i'm being lazy and don't feel like trolling through the 13 pages of this thread, is there a link for directions to the race course somewhere someone can send me or post up?

[WODIE]

just go to our website. www.clemsonfreeride.com (http://www.clemsonfreeride.com) and there is a link on the left side for directions. so easy. but to appease your laziness here you go http://www.clemsonfreeride.com/directions/

[Murphy's Law]

awesome. thanks again. hopefully i'll see you all down there this weekend.

[weylessrider67]

How far is the KOA away from the course ? For 40 bucks a night, and my own cabin, it sounds like an awesome deal !!! Hopefully they have late night HBO :brows:


j/k

[manimal]

the koa website says it's 15 miles from clemson university.

[WODIE]

Manimal is probably right on that estimate to the school. Then you've got around a 7-10 minute drive to the course from school. Not saying it will take 10 minutes but that would give you an allowance of time.

[manimal]

the forecast is calling for 50% chance of rain on friday. how slick do you think the new stuff will get? i know the upper section is probably packed in enough that it won't really matter but i'm just trying to decided on tire selection from my limited quiver.

[weylessrider67]

High of 44 Saturday with a chance of flurries ??????



http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USSC0059?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared

[WODIE]

If theres going to be any rain the day before i would say choose tires that have good traction in mud... sorry, i leave my tires on all the time but you can always bring an extra set to swap out if needed.

THE RACE WILL STILL BE HAPPENING ON SATURDAY!!!
-it might turn into an "icycle 2" but its still going down.

[ridiculous]

What the blood clot! I was hoping to leave all that behind me in baltimore. And to think I was actually sad I was going to miss whitetails snow race because of this.

[manimal]

crap! i HATE racing in the mud. errr...oh well, i can't back out now, the cabin is non-refundable this close to the date. looks like mud it is :twitch:

is there a possibility of switching back to the old course to avoid the fresh cut stuff that will be a bog fest?

[WODIE]

I dont think the new course will be that bad and were you really thinking about dropping out?...

[Jeremy R]

crap! i HATE racing in the mud. errr...oh well, i can't back out now, the cabin is non-refundable this close to the date. looks like mud it is :twitch:

is there a possibility of switching back to the old course to avoid the fresh cut stuff that will be a bog fest?

There will not be any mud prissy pants.
That course is packed down harder than Sally Struther's path to her kitchen.
I rode their wet not too long ago. Even the new stuff is packed now.
Just some slippery roots on the new section is the only thing you will notice.
See ya there. :rockout:

[manimal]

I dont think the new course will be that bad and were you really thinking about dropping out?...

eh...3.5 hour drive, listening to noah whine about it being cold/wet plus the fact that i have swat school on sunday where i've got to do a fitness test (2 mile run in under 16 min, push-ups/sit-ups AND the police agility test immediately following the run)....it crossed my mind but what the heck; i need to get better at slick riding anyway :D we'll be there :thumb:

if it weren't for the drive and overnight stay i wouldn't care at all. i'm trying to hit all of the "grass roots" races this year instead of the big events and it's just frustrating when the weather won't cooperate. i blame that friggin groundhog...what's his name? pauxatony phil?


i guess i'll just throw on my old DHR because my lighter IRC dh tire blows monkey balls in the mud. noah should be sporting his new rear disc brake...a muddy course will be a perfect place for him to see how much better discs are than v-brakes :thumb:

this weather might be a great opportunity for you guys to make a few more bucks for your cause by selling some hot chocolate :D easy to setup and sell. :lighten:

[WODIE]

Yeah you're a beast of a dad, i'll give you that. Swat training and coming home to be a role model for Noah :) So far this works well in biking at least.

Yeah it will be lame if the weather does decide to be gay on us.. its so warm and pleasant right now so if i see one "flurry" i'm going to take my shotgun after that groundhog.

[manimal]

That course is packed down harder than Sally Struther's path to her kitchen.


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/6b/311_sallys.jpeg

:rofl:

and jeremy...it's not about being a prissy pants with the mud. the truth is that when i get muddy i tend to get..you know...kind of ...um...err....tingly...down there and well, you've got a real purdy mouth ya' know. :help: :brows: :D

[mattmatt86]

Yeah you're a beast of a dad, i'll give you that. Swat training and coming home to be a role model for Noah :) So far this works well in biking at least.

Yeah it will be lame if the weather does decide to be Noncompliant on us.. its so warm and pleasant right now so if i see one "flurry" i'm going to take my shotgun after that groundhog.

You have to be PC these days on RM.

[recycle127]

about how many people come out and race?

[WODIE]

One more if you come. Before we've had between 50 and 60 racers. I'm hoping we'll have more this year cause i sent flyers to TONS of shops and its always more fun with more competition.

[Freeinwnc]

I've got a pretty serious problem here! Being a typical Asheville hippie, I live out of my car for weeks at a time(roadtrip!)...and to make a long story short, I lost one of my crank arms on a recent road trip! All of the local bike shops do not carry any beefy single ring cranksets, and lack of money prevents me from ordering from Quality(I work at Cane Creek)....I purchased a new BB(68mm), and it would be absolutely amazing if someone has a crankset that I might be able to use for the race?!?!

[drkenan]

In sticking with my tradition of letting broke people borrow stuff for races, I've got an extra Truvativ crankset that should work. PM me if you're interested. But this may warrant an employee discount on a double barrel. :D

[bizutch]

In sticking with my tradition of letting broke people borrow stuff for races, I've got an extra Truvativ crankset that should work. PM me if you're interested. But this may warrant an employee discount on a double barrel. :D

Not to mention short term 2nd job employment opportunities.....:twitch:

[bizutch]

I've got a pretty serious problem here! Being a typical Asheville hippie, I live out of my car for weeks at a time(roadtrip!)...and to make a long story short, I lost one of my crank arms on a recent road trip! All of the local bike shops do not carry any beefy single ring cranksets, and lack of money prevents me from ordering from Quality(I work at Cane Creek)....I purchased a new BB(68mm), and it would be absolutely amazing if someone has a crankset that I might be able to use for the race?!?!

if you need a ride down to Clemson, I got room for 1 more in the green hornet.

[manimal]

i still have room in the cabin if anyone needs a place to crash for cheap on friday night.

[drkenan]

Manimal - are you still gonna be out there riding the course on Friday even though there's now a 60% chance of rain? I'm thinking of coming down for the slop fest.

[Jeremy R]

i still have room in the cabin if anyone needs a place to crash for cheap on friday night.

"the truth is that when i get muddy i tend to get..you know...kind of ...um...err....tingly...down there and well, you've got a real purdy mouth ya' know."

Good Luck finding a cabin mate after that comment Beef Jerky.:rofl::D

[haromtnbiker]

I think I'm coming down. Does anybody have a front brake I can borrow? Or an adapter for a Avid Juicy to go on an argyle? :)

[Dogboy]

I think I'm coming down. Does anybody have a front brake I can borrow? Or an adapter for a Avid Juicy to go on an argyle? :)

I can probably find an adapter. You have a place to stay?

[ridiculous]

I think I'm coming down. Does anybody have a front brake I can borrow? Or an adapter for a Avid Juicy to go on an argyle? :)

what size?

[FifeDog]

Just tryuing to plan my tire choice before I trek down there. So, how bad is the course after a steady rain? Does it drain well, or will we be racing thru puddles, and navigating over wet roots?

[haromtnbiker]

I have an 8" rotor on my dh bike (with the juicy 7) but I have a 6" hayes rotor I could use as well.

Mark- I think I'm going down with Mr. Haley.

[mattmatt86]

Course Drains extremely well.

[robbietaylor]

gettin new tires tomarrow. no more racin slicks hahaha
see yall there!!!

[mredrock]

Matt, I got you guys covered as far as zip-ties for number plates! I know you were kinda short last time. 300 should be enough ; ) Anything else you guys might need?

[WODIE]

I just got done doing some more drainage work today, putting in a drain at the wallride to drain the swimming pool below it.

The course does drain well however, its not an indoor concrete course.. meaning if its going to rain the day before then bring tires that will work good in mud. You can always bring extra tires too if you want to swap out.

[FCLinder]

I had to cancel my Vegas trip, so I should be there Sat to race.

Cecil

[manimal]

Manimal - are you still gonna be out there riding the course on Friday even though there's now a 60% chance of rain? I'm thinking of coming down for the slop fest.

we'll at least do some walk through's so i'm not spending all of my practice time following noah on race day. i'm just gonna play it by ear. i'm coming down friday regardless because i really don't want to get up at 430 on sat morning to drive down....and the cabin's paid for.

[ridiculous]

Well at least its going to be a little warmer now. Ill see you guys on the trail tomorrow. I have a pack of race numbers for you too.

[drkenan]

Wow - chance of rain went from 40% early this week to 60% and now to 90% for Friday. Looks like it's supposed to pass early though - afternoon riding could be fun.

[manimal]

Wow - chance of rain went from 40% early this week to 60% and now to 90% for Friday. Looks like it's supposed to pass early though - afternoon riding could be fun.

you sure you're reading that right? the hourly shows it starting around 11am and getting heavier until 6pm. looks like practicing friday is out of the question :disgust:

[bizutch]

if someone had a Mule to use as a Noah shuttle, it would make Brandon give out hugs...:D

http://www.rc-trucks.org/Kawasaki-Mule-600.jpg

[manimal]

hell, i'd even spoon with whoever brought something like that

[drkenan]

you sure you're reading that right? the hourly shows it starting around 11am and getting heavier until 6pm. looks like practicing friday is out of the question :disgust:

Darn weather.com won't let you copy and paste. Here's what it says right now:

"Rain early...then remaining cloudy with showers in the afternoon."
Let's ignore the part that talks about rainfall amounts reaching 1 inch. :busted:

It won't hurt you to get a little muddy...see you on the trail!

[drkenan]

Alright...I'm currently getting a personalized forecast for tomorrow from a meteorologist that I know. (Seriously...I am).

[manimal]

does he double as a palm reader/matchmaker/chiropractor? just seems like the meteorology line of work has a lot of wizardry and tom foolery with it. ;)

[WODIE]

This Just In:... The Finish Line Will Be Awesome!

[mattmatt86]

This Just In:... The Finish Line Will Be Awesome! Think Snowshoe road gap.

[weylessrider67]

Think Snowshoe road gap.

if we could only be so lucky !!!!!! :biggrin:

[wiL]

Think Snowshoe road gap.

Into Red Bull Holy Land.

[mattmatt86]

if we could only be so lucky !!!!!! :biggrin:
Just wait till you see it.

[mredrock]

Ok guys, I'm headed out. See you out there this afternoon. Gotta stop by campus to get the G/F some ice-cream. Later!!!

[manimal]

be there around 4. looks like the rain should taper off by 11 :thumb:

[weylessrider67]

getting some ice for the beer cooler :brows:than headed yalls way !!!!!!!

[bizutch]

hope whatever is at the finish drains well...otherwise I smell a game of Bicycle Lawn Darts circa Fontana 1998

[Jeremy R]

I had to wear water wings to work today.
S-burg is getting hammered.
I have the urge to build an ark.

[mattmatt86]

We got hammered this morning, so pack your mud tires. The rain has now made the finish line jump 1000x more sketchy. Get ready to strap on a pair boys!

[WODIE]

1000x more sketchy
Screw that statement and let me restate that the finish line will be AWESOME. No worries, might not be hittable today since it rained but it should definitely be good tomorrow.

[ridiculous]

Currently in sparkle city for lunch. Should be at the trail around 3.

[Jeremy R]

Currently in sparkle city for lunch. Should be at the trail around 3.

Where at?

[bizutch]

Nothing like college girls and a little mud to make things interesting:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/glastonbury2REX_468x705.jpg

In honor of the fun of mud...I now present an ensemble of the possibilities...:

http://www.medeba.com/Ice%20Wall%20Photos/Leigh%20in%20Mud%203.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/glastonbury3REX_468x311.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/glastonbury1REX_468x708.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/glastonbury1G_468x271.jpg

[drkenan]

Sorry if this has been covered but what's the time frame for registration?

[FifeDog]

Hey All,

With all this rain, I understand that tire choice is critical. If I were to try to ride any of my local trails tomorrow, they would be closed.

So, with this in mind, can anyone describe the course for me?

Will the "freeride" portions become more slippery as the mud cakes on to the wood structures?

I assume that you will have an ambulance at the bottom of the course to haul bodies away right?

What is the mud like: slick clay, peanut butter, or just standing water?

Do you expect the course to worsen during pracitce with so many runs being made, changing the race line, etc?

Thank in advance,

[Nc Bo]

Yes, it resembles a river, only a few eddys, so it's pretty continuos: I would choose a kayak for the race, preferably a creek boat, or if you know someone who has a Prion Tornado! use that. But if you're gonna ride a bike try some Mich muds or Max swamp thangs..... don't forget to use vasoline between the knobs so as to help shed the sticky, icky red clay! my 2 cents again... Bo ....have fun!

[X MAN]

Bo, You know open boaters have more fun.

[X MAN]

hope whatever is at the finish drains well...otherwise I smell a game of Bicycle Lawn Darts circa Fontana 1998

I can't believe any one remembers that.You've brought back memories from a previous life.

[mattmatt86]

The verdict is in, the finish line jump is Awesome!!!!!!!!!! See Ya'll tomorrow.

[WODIE]

Your trails back home might be closed tomorrow but ours will be open for two reasons.
1. I have been planning this race for the last month
2. We built the entire course ourselves (as a club) and if stuff gets messed up then we'll just have to fix later

We would rather see people have fun on our course than see them frowning when we tell them that the race they've been looking forward to for the past month is canceled because of rain the day before.

That said, it will be muddy and it will be slippery. I would suggest bringing tires that shed mud before but as i said before, if it rains the day before a race and you know this then have MUD tires on your bike. Its a pretty simple assumption that it will be muddy.

Practice officially will run from 8am to 12pm although we would greatly appreciate it if you didnt really start practicing till 10am just to give the course those extra couple of hours to dry out a bit.

Registration, as it is on the flyer on page one of this thread, is from 8am to 11am.

We are not renting the use of an ems team to be at the bottom of the trail all day just to make you feel that you are really in an extreme sport. If anyone gets hurt and needs help we will use the 9-1-1 method, the one we all knew since we were little. Keep in mind that the course is muddy and that you should ride with safety in mind, but dont forget that it is a race. This race is not a qualifier for nationals or to ride alongside Gracia at worlds or anything but more of a fun grassroots race. It is what you make it.

Prizes are going to be awesome, the people and atmosphere is going to be awesome.. its just going to be an awesome time all together.

We'll have Morewood and Red Bull there along with a million riders from all over the southeast. We've got a couple of guys that drove down from Maryland today.. thats right, Maryland to ride our freaking course. Its going to be a fun time.

I hope i answered any questions you might have. We'll see you tomorrow at the race. And dont forget if you need directions just go to RACE DIRECTIONS (http://www.clemsonfreeride.com/directions)