The Woman vs. The Black Man

[OGRipper]

Great column (IMO) from Mark Morford in the SF Gate (Chronicle) today:

http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/morford/

He barely touches on my biggest concern as an anti-Bush person: This is our election to lose - my guess is that all we need to do is nominate a reasonably competent, non-controversial candidate and the election should be a lock. Instead, it looks like we're going to nominate a candidate that will be difficult for lots of people to support, right or wrong.

I'm all for progressiveness and equality in politics and life, and I personally would have no problem voting for either a woman or an african american. I also know that this is a great opportunity to make it happen. But the stakes are so damn high and I'm just not sure the nation as a whole is ready.

[moff_quigley]

As a right leaning person who is "unsure where to turn to find a candidate who will hate gays and slam women's rights and mistrust foreigners as much as Bush promised" that is "poisoned by the Christian right's woman-in-her-place mentality"....I'd vote for Obama before I'd vote for any current Republican nominee. This guy loves him some sweet sweeping generalizations.

It would be nice to get past this whole "us VS. them" mentality and do what is best for the country.

[Secret Squirrel]

It would be nice to get past this whole "us VS. them" mentality and do what is best for the country.

Ahahahahahahahahhaahha!!!!

AAAAhahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!

*tear*

Oh...you were serious...


sorry.

[$tinkle]

project much?

this is no better than the right wingers who put forth the idea that a democrat president will attempt to convert all kids to homosexuality, and those who resist will be impregnated by browns, only to be aborted in on-campus abortion clinics. and to deal with this strife, all drugs will be legal & gov't funded.

oh, & i love this trifecta of intolerant bigotryThere's the chipper creationist nutball who loves him some Chuck Norris, the stupefied Mormon mannequin who simply cannot believe the world is so icky and complicated, the doddering Iraq-loving war vet who seems to be getting more unstable by the minute, and the cross-dressing former New York mayor who has "9/11" tattooed on his ego in fake bloodyet john edwards gets a pass, even though he "channeled" dead babies to get his pockets stuffed in a single case to the tune of $6.5M as a personal injury lawyer? (it's all good, as he was taking money from evil doctors)

and why does hillary get a pass on all things war? she's quite the "war-monger" as her record clearly shows (a lot of dems are (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_CepS8u9wQ), for that matter).

what were we talking about? oh yeah, the black guy vs. the cunt. i can has some black guy, given the choice of the two.

[OGRipper]

This is not about which side of the "say silly things for kicks in media" is better or worse, obviously the language is inflammatory.

The question is, do you think a woman or a black man is electable in '08, or are we just giving the country another reason to vote republican again even though most people are ready for change?

[$tinkle]

a black guy or a woman is more electable than an unmarried person. that, i believe, was condi's glass ceiling. no way the GOP would support any run for high office. maybe sneak her in through the back door as veep if the republicans had a much stronger showing that this time around.

let's be clear about one thing: hillary does NOT represent women. just man-hating kleptocrats. to see that we are indeed ready for a female leader, recall that we're most like the u.k. (or at least close behind canada & australia), and they did splendidly under thatcher.

[LordOpie]

But the stakes are so damn high...

Could not be more wrong. The stakes were never ever higher than in 2004 and american screwed up there.

Thing is, there are a few Repub candidates that don't suck, so if one of them gets the nomination, then for the first time in a while, it's not an absolutely lose-lose situation or a lose-reallyFockinLose situation.

NOW is the time to take a chance. Now is the time for independents to exercise their judgement. But the next time the USA finds itself with a Bush-type candidate, independents better stand-the-fock-up and vote for the lesser of two evils.

[ohio]

I don't think being black (half black, by the way) is an issue at all. I think being female is a small issue because it's harder to walk the balance of tough and likability, but the bigger issue is not that the sweet spot is small but that Hill can't find it.

[$tinkle]

:picsstfu:

[OGRipper]

Could not be more wrong. The stakes were never ever higher than in 2004 and american screwed up there.

Thanks. I didn't say "highest stakes ever," only that the stakes are high for this election. In any case, the damage from the last eight years is done and we need a big change. Failure to make that change will be our third strike, leading the world to believe that all americans actually support what has happening the last 8 years.

[BMXman]

I seriously doubt in my lifetime there will be a Black president...maybe a woman president but a Black man as president...uh no not going to happen...the US is no where near ready for that!!...D

[$tinkle]

not sure how obama's blackness affects him as much as the fact that he's a very junior senator (who won practically unopposed). think about it: when's the last time we elected a sitting senator? incumbent veeps & governors do far better at the polls.

[moff_quigley]

I'm voting for Natalie Portman now:

http://zombietime.com/really_truly_hillary_gallery/Hillary62.jpg

More awesome pics of Hillary here: http://zombietime.com/really_truly_hillary_gallery/

[Secret Squirrel]

I'm voting for Natalie Portman now:

http://zombietime.com/really_truly_hillary_gallery/Hillary62.jpg

More awesome pics of Hillary here: http://zombietime.com/really_truly_hillary_gallery/

Tits a very good picture.

It's amazing how long bunny noses can protrude through cotton....really...it is...

Portman for ...um....what?

[cycleryshop]

nipply, very nipply.

[reflux]

I seriously doubt in my lifetime there will be a Black president...maybe a woman president but a Black man as president...uh no not going to happen...the US is no where near ready for that!!...D
I regret to say it, but you might be right.

Isn't Nascar something like the second most popular sport in the US? I wonder just how prevalent this mentality is throughout fans of the sport.
http://www.portfolio.com/culture-lifestyle/culture-inc/sports/2008/01/14/Nascar-and-Race

[Changleen]

Portman is so hot.

[sanjuro]

This is always a tough one for me: should we vote for the most winnable candidate or the best one?

I can't vote for Hillary for a thousand reasons, and Obama and Edwards seem ok.

Do I think Hillary will win against the Republicans? No way.

Obama? Sure.

Edwards? Probably.

[BussaFrame]

I seriously doubt in my lifetime there will be a Black president...maybe a woman president but a Black man as president...uh no not going to happen...the US is no where near ready for that!!...D

I completely agree with this statement.

[narlus]

I seriously doubt in my lifetime there will be a Black president...maybe a woman president but a Black man as president...uh no not going to happen...the US is no where near ready for that!!...D

is Canada closer?

[MikeD]

I for one think it's awesome that the race and gender issues just don't seem to be that big of a deal. (Yet?) Who remembers the Geraldine Ferraro VP run?? It was all they could talk about. Seems like this race is much more issues-focused...

[LordOpie]

"Iron My Shirt!"

"Pick My Cotton!"

Why is one acceptable, but the other not? No, not saying they're equivalent.

[X3pilot]

I for one think it's awesome that the race and gender issues just don't seem to be that big of a deal. (Yet?) Who remembers the Geraldine Ferraro VP run?? It was all they could talk about. Seems like this race is much more issues-focused...

That was a woman????

[X3pilot]

Just wait'll 012....

Black women president..


Oprah.


You'll see it on her TV network first.

[OGRipper]

not sure how obama's blackness affects him as much as the fact that he's a very junior senator (who won practically unopposed). think about it: when's the last time we elected a sitting senator? incumbent veeps & governors do far better at the polls.

I don't know the last time we elected a sitting senator, but we've NEVER elected a black president.

I think perhaps you are giving the American public too much credit for caring about his status as a junior senator v. caring about his race. Unfortunately race will cloud the judgment of a lot of people. Hopefully most liberals and progressives will be able to look past it. But people on the fence might not, the result could be a diluted democratic vote.

[$tinkle]

I think perhaps you are giving the American public too much credit for caring about his status as a junior senator v. caring about his race. Unfortunately race will cloud the judgment of a lot of people. Hopefully most liberals and progressives will be able to look past it. But people on the fence might not, the result could be a diluted democratic vote.i'll do you one more: i hope that if both parties recognize him as the most qualified they'd elect him, not just the progressives/libs.

and looking at the current field of republican candidates, there's no one worthy of nomination to the party, to say nothing of being electable in the gen'l election.

...and ron paul smells like boogers.

[OGRipper]

i'll do you one more: i hope that if both parties recognize him as the most qualified they'd elect him, not just the progressives/libs.

I hope so too, and I appreciate the comment. My concern is that our mutual hope plus the reality of a nation full of knee-jerk, bigoted voters could add up to four more years.

[Plummit]

A look back on how we got here... Tom Tomorrow comic From 9/17/01 (http://archive.salon.com/comics/tomo/2001/09/17/tomo/index.html?sid13)

and another from The Onion, also 9/17/01 (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784)

"The insanity is over," Bush said. "After a long, dark night of peace and stability, the sun is finally rising again over America. We look forward to a bright new dawn not seen since the glory days of my dad."

[ohio]

I'm rarely one to defend the general population (the stupid, bigoted lot that they are), but I don't expect Obama's race to be a major factor for most of them.


As long as he doesn't start talking all black like Jesse Jackson or Justin Timberlake.

[$tinkle]

more than race, i care about lifestyle; particularly a bunch of single guys living in my neighborhood would keep me keenly aware.

[$tinkle]

locally: "Obama quip stuns Citizen of the West banquet crowd" (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jan/17/joke-leaves-em-gasping/)A Greeley businessman apologized Wednesday after a joke about Illinois Sen. Barack Obama fell flat during the National Western Stock Show's annual Citizen of the West banquet.

William R. Farr was pretending to read telegrams congratulating this year's award recipient, University of Colorado President Hank Brown, when he pulled out a piece of paper and said, "I have a telegram from the White House."

Then he added, "They're going to have to change the name of that building if Obama's elected." quickly: was the guy telling the joke white, or black? this part should help solve the puzzle:Afterward, Farr said he regretted making the remark and apologized to anyone offended.

"I apologize for that," Farr told a reporter as soon as the banquet ended.

"I mistook it to be humorous, but it was something I shouldn't have said."would he had apologized if he were black?
should he have if he were black?

[LordOpie]

i lol'ed.

And that's so Denver.

We went to the Stock show. Didn't see many people other than crackers.

[MikeD]

I don't think being black (half black, by the way) is an issue at all.

What if he were half gay??

http://www.ugo.com/images/galleries/thelifeaquatic_filmtv/32_th.jpg

[Secret Squirrel]

What if he were half gay??

http://www.ugo.com/images/galleries/thelifeaquatic_filmtv/32_th.jpg

Oh, the moxie....

[BMXman]

is Canada closer?

not sure I haven't been here long enough to get into the politics of Canada...D

[BMXman]

As long as he doesn't start talking all black like Jesse Jackson or Justin Timberlake.

huh???

[$tinkle]

i think he meant "j-tizzle"

[JohnE]

The worst thing the Democrats could do is nominate Hilary. That would polarize all the fence sitters who hate her for whatever reason into voting GOP. I think there are more people who would vote for a "half black" man then there are who hate Hilary.

[JohnE]

locally: "Obama quip stuns Citizen of the West banquet crowd" (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jan/17/joke-leaves-em-gasping/)quickly: was the guy telling the joke white, or black? this part should help solve the puzzle:would he had apologized if he were black?
should he have if he were black?

White trash, black trash, yellowpinkbrown trash, is there really a difference?

[Silver]

White trash, black trash, yellowpinkbrown trash, is there really a difference?

Yep. White trash feels superior because at least he isn't black...

[$tinkle]

White trash, black trash, yellowpinkbrown trash, is there really a difference?pocket depth (if targets & damages sought are any measure)

[LordOpie]

So if we elect a black President, will we ever go back?

[MMike]

Didn't see many people other than crackers.

No honkies?

[MikeD]

So if we elect a black President, will we ever go back?

That, ladies and gentlemen, is Opie's finest hour.

[LordOpie]

That, ladies and gentlemen, is Opie's finest hour.

That's my finest?

I guess I really do suck at the internet.

:D

[MikeD]

Well, I didn't think "grrrrrr-eat" was really that funny, so it's all in the bee of the eyeholder or whatever.

[Ciaran]

So if we elect a black President, will we ever go back?

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"Must spread rep..."

[$tinkle]

oh no she di'int: "Hillary Clinton likens White House to prison" (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/01/tyratalks.html)

is she trying to tar her husband by implying that just like prison, there's sodomy aplenty, or is she telling us to get stocked on analese for when she reveals the punisher in the canoe?

[LordOpie]

oh no she di'int: "Hillary Clinton likens White House to prison" (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/01/tyratalks.html)

is she trying to tar her husband by implying that just like prison, there's sodomy aplenty, or is she telling us to get stocked on analese for when she reveals the punisher in the canoe?

So if Obama wins, will they have to paint the White House a different color?

well, it was just as clever as taking prison out of context.

[DHRFX Joe]

So if we elect a black President, will we ever go back?


goddamn.....must spread.

[RenegadeRick]

FTW!!!

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u306/ThisDarlingMan/BarackObama08DesktopWallpaper.jpg

[ATOMICFIREBALL]

Driving Miss Hillary.

[$tinkle]

since when is obama black? he's just as much white. seems like we would have covered this by now.

[Secret Squirrel]

since when is obama black? he's just as much white. seems like we would have covered this by now.

He's down with Allah...

That's right...He's a Muslim, motherfvck-a!!

(Taking yesterday's punctuation debacle to heart, I feel that I should point out that I have no prior knowledge of Obama fulfilling the last statement sans comma.....)

[RenegadeRick]

He's down with Allah...

That's right...He's a Muslim, motherfvck-a!!

(Taking yesterday's punctuation debacle to heart, I feel that I should point out that I have no prior knowledge of Obama fulfilling the last statement sans comma.....)

Regardless of the commas that statement is false. Obama is a Christian.
I think he is at least as black as Bill Clinton.

[$tinkle]

Obama is a Christian.yep, and here's an interesting article on his church in the nytimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?ei=5090&en=f901477fd875c685&ex=1335585600&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all)

[LordOpie]

Regardless of the commas that statement is false. Obama is a Christian.

Yup, and anti-semite, by association.

The church he belongs to and is a senior member of is anti-semitic. While Obama has never publically agreed with the statements made by his church, he's also never denounced them.

[Secret Squirrel]

Regardless of the commas that statement is false. Obama is a Christian.
I think he is at least as black as Bill Clinton.

You guys freakin' ruin everything....

Damn it.

[RenegadeRick]

You guys freakin' ruin everything....
Damn it.

Just doing my job, m'aam. Captain Buzzkill, at your service.