My new Hero

[manimal]

i think this guy kept his cool fairly well considering how distasteful it was for the business to fly the mexican flag above the american flag....in America. politics aside, this IS still America isn't it? :disgust1:

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=6314

[gonefirefightin]

saw that on the news last night. I bet the shop owner had no clue what he did wrong. as for the old vet I can understand his action but I would have walked in and confronted the shop owner instead of throwing down his flag too.

[valve bouncer]

Assuming it's not illegal to fly a foreign flag higher than the American flag I wonder when the vet is going to be arrested for property destruction.
Of course, wearing these
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41J87BHDWRL._AA280_.jpg
or these
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BQ56ENHNL._AA280_.jpg
is just showing your patriotism.

[manimal]

i'd like to see the court that finds him guilty of property destruction in this matter.
and i do believe the shop owner knew or at least, should know that he can't fly anything above the american flag. this country gives him the opportunity to run his business, don't spit in it's face.

[valve bouncer]

i'd like to see the court that finds him guilty of property destruction in this matter.
and i do believe the shop owner knew or at least, should know that he can't fly anything above the american flag. this country gives him the opportunity to run his business, don't spit in it's face.
Can someone actually show me the law that says that the American flag must never be lower than a foreign one. What a retarded law that would be...thousands would be arrested when the Olympics come to America.:busted:

[jimmydean]

On the news the shop owner was quoted as saying he had no idea it was against the law.

I figured it was common sense, but I guess that's just me.

<edit> It's a federal offense. I'll see if I can find the law.

Here you go:
Title 1, Section 4 governs the display of the flag, and section 7(g) states the following:When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace. The order of precedence for flags generally is National flags (US first, then others in alphabetical order in English), State (host state first, then others in the order of admission) and territories (Washington DC, Puerto Rico, etc.), Military (in order of establishment: Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard), then other.

[manimal]

On the news the shop owner was quoted as saying he had no idea it was against the law.



he probably didn't, hence the reason for citizenship classes..which i'm sure are nowhere in his future plans. i guess it's just a courtesy and respect thing. i spent some time in the mid-east as a visitor (i didn't own a business and live there) and yet i knew that there were several things i was used to doing that are considered offensive over there...so i didn't do those things.

[jimmydean]

he probably didn't, hence the reason for citizenship classes..which i'm sure are nowhere in his future plans. i guess it's just a courtesy and respect thing. i spent some time in the mid-east as a visitor (i didn't own a business and live there) and yet i knew that there were several things i was used to doing that are considered offensive over there...so i didn't do those things.

In the Navy you are required to go through a briefing for each port. That way when your ass lands in jail for being stupid, you can't claim ignorance as a defense.

[valve bouncer]

he probably didn't, hence the reason for citizenship classes..which i'm sure are nowhere in his future plans. i guess it's just a courtesy and respect thing. i spent some time in the mid-east as a visitor (i didn't own a business and live there) and yet i knew that there were several things i was used to doing that are considered offensive over there...so i didn't do those things.
Well I've lived in Japan for 11 years and I still do blundering "look at that stupid stinking hairy round eyes can you believe he just did that" things every day. If I never wanted to give offence to the Japanese I'd never leave the bloody house. Unless you've grown up in that country or come from a very similar one then you couldn't possible ever know what's going to get someone's nose out of joint. I do know that some people have got it in for foreigners and don't ever cut them any slack at all.
I'm Australian so most of American culture seems fairly transparent to me but I didn't know that about the flag. I mean you can burn the bloody thing, wear it as underwear and socks but fly it lower than another flag and you've committed a heinous breach. Seems somewhat strange to me.

[OrthoPT]

Well I've lived in Japan for 11 years and I'm still do blundering "look at that stupid stinking hairy round eyes can you believe he just did that" things every day.

11 years and you still have trouble differentiating what's acceptable and unacceptable behavior? Japanese custom hasn't changed much in the last few hundred years. Get a clue.

[ohio]

I didn't know about the flag thing and wouldn't have given it a second thought had I seen it.

Maybe I should take citizenship classes?

[ohio]

11 years and you still have trouble differentiating what's acceptable and unacceptable behavior? Japanese custom hasn't changed much in the last few hundred years. Get a clue.

You've got to be ****ing kidding me. Throw a Southerner to the North or a New Yorker to Nebraska and they'll still commit cultural mistakes 11 years later.

[valve bouncer]

11 years and you still have trouble differentiating what's acceptable and unacceptable behavior? Japanese custom hasn't changed much in the last few hundred years. Get a clue.

You don't have the least idea what I'm talking about do you. Obviously way way above your level of understanding although it's hardly a subtle or obtuse point. Just the fact that you say Japanese custom hasn't changed much in the last few hundred years tells me what a dilettante you are.

[Westy]

I didn't know about the flag thing and wouldn't have given it a second thought had I seen it.

Maybe I should take citizenship classes?


Same here. Even if I knew I wouldn't have cared. That whole care more about the symbol than what it stands for isn't my thing.

Not exactly related but the situation reminds me of this.

1992 World Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_World_Series#_note-0)

[$tinkle]

You don't have the least idea what I'm talking about do you. Obviously way way above your level of understanding although it's hardly a subtle or obtuse point. Just the fact that you say Japanese custom hasn't changed much in the last few hundred years tells me what a dilettante you are.and a double-ended one at that.

[valve bouncer]

and a double-ended one at that.
I am the master after all. You can take that both ways too.

[narlus]

International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

i thought we are at war?

[BurlyShirley]

I dont think it's a law, so much as a standard protocol. I didnt even click on any links, but you can legitimately do anything you want with flags legally speaking.

[valve bouncer]

I dont think it's a law, so much as a standard protocol. I didnt even click on any links, but you can legitimately do anything you want with flags legally speaking.
Apparently JD is checking into the legalties or otherwise of the situation.
Come on JD pull ya finger out mate, anyone would think you have something better to do.:disgust1::busted:;)

[OrthoPT]

You've got to be ****ing kidding me. Throw a Southerner to the North or a New Yorker to Nebraska and they'll still commit cultural mistakes 11 years later.
Only a dolt would continue to make the number of mistakes that would force them to stay inside if they wanted to avoid committing them. How much energy does it take to have a little more social awareness? Not much.

[OrthoPT]

You don't have the least idea what I'm talking about do you.

Sorry about that. Perhaps you should sign up for some ESL classes and get back to me when you can state what you really meant more clearly. I'm sure someone would be really happy to have you as a lab partner.

[$tinkle]

Only a dolt would continue to make the number of mistakes that would force them to stay inside if they wanted to avoid committing them. How much energy does it take to have a little more social awareness? Not much.ok, that was funny, but for other reasons.

like your use of "social awareness". this is america: land of the corpulent. home of the egotesticle.

i think we'll turn the corner if we traded in our lawyers for bench vises.

[Westy]

ok, that was funny, but for other reasons.

like your use of "social awareness". this is america: land of the corpulent. home of the egotesticle.

i think we'll turn the corner if we traded in our lawyers for bench vises.

I've never had a lawyer but just bought the largest bench vice I could find. Best purchase ever. I spend hours crushing random things and seeing how many times I can fold a penny. It truly is the path to enlightenment.

[OrthoPT]

i think we'll turn the corner if we traded in our lawyers for bench vises.

no argument on that one.

Why does New Jersey have all the toxic waste dumps and New York has all the lawyers?

Jersey got first pick.

[valve bouncer]

Sorry about that. Perhaps you should sign up for some ESL classes and get back to me when you can state what you really meant more clearly. I'm sure someone would be really happy to have you as a lab partner.
If I were you I'd quit now while you're still just a clueless idiot. It's painful to see you flounder about here, hopelessly out of your depth. Surprisingly in this forum, most of us know what we're talking about. You are a glaring exception. I suggest giving this forum a miss as it may impair your :monkey: experience.

[jimmydean]

Apparently JD is checking into the legalties or otherwise of the situation.
Come on JD pull ya finger out mate, anyone would think you have something better to do.:disgust1::busted:;)

I added it to the post.

Link to US Code on the Cornell Law School website (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode04/usc_sec_04_00000007----000-.html)

TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 7

§ 7. Position and manner of display
(g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

[OrthoPT]

If I were you I'd quit now while you're still just a clueless idiot. It's painful to see you flounder about here, hopelessly out of your depth. Surprisingly in this forum, most of us know what we're talking about. You are a glaring exception. I suggest giving this forum a miss as it may impair your :monkey: experience.

You're not going to give up on me now are you? That's so selfish of you. :(

[OrthoPT]

Back on topic...

I think the vet acted with a hot head and the situation would have been handled better if he had first asked the store owner to take it down himself. BTW, I do think the store owner knew what he was doing when he put the flags up.

[valve bouncer]

I added it to the post.

Link to US Code on the Cornell Law School website (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode04/usc_sec_04_00000007----000-.html)

TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 7

§ 7. Position and manner of display
(g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.
Interesting. I'd bet that at least one of those "laws" are broken pretty much every time the flag is flown by a non-government group or individual. Obviously you'd expect the government/military etc to know those protocols but I'd reckon it's unreasonable to expect every immigrant to have memorised that code.

[blue]

Back on topic...

I think the vet acted with a hot head and the situation would have been handled better if he had first asked the store owner to take it down himself. BTW, I do think the store owner knew what he was doing when he put the flags up.

Here's an idea:

"Who the motherfvck cares? It's just a goddamned flag."

And follow up post by some "great American":

"THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH TEH CUNTRY THESE DAYZ!!111 NOBODY CAREZ!!11!"

:disgust1:

[sanjuro]

I bet you people have complained, and the store owner did nothing.

I doubt he was trying to make a political statement, but considering all that happened was his flag took a walk, who cares?

[DavidMakalaster]

FYI: The American flag is the only one that isn't tipped for the head-of-state at the Olympics.

[ohio]

The funny thing about this, is the guy WAS flying the American flag and I would bet it was out of pride.

All you "patriots" never would've noticed if the only flag he was flying was the Mexican one...

[manimal]

The funny thing about this, is the guy WAS flying the American flag and I would bet it was out of pride.

All you "patriots" never would've noticed if the only flag he was flying was the Mexican one...

it's funny how pissy you get when you've bled for that flag.

[ATOMICFIREBALL]

Good thing there is this law.--Otherwise the Mexican flag or Islamic,etc would be flown over the American flag everywhere ;& any US citizen shouldn't tolerate that.


Title 1, Section 4 governs the display of the flag, and section 7(g) states the following:When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace. The order of precedence for flags generally is National flags (US first, then others in alphabetical order in English), State (host state first, then others in the order of admission) and territories (Washington DC, Puerto Rico, etc.), Military (in order of establishment: Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard), then other

[ATOMICFIREBALL]

The funny thing about this, is the guy WAS flying the American flag and I would bet it was out of pride.

All you "patriots" never would've noticed if the only flag he was flying was the Mexican one...

True,i would have thought it was some Mexican restaurant or ethnic grocery store.
But it's very noticeable flying over the American flag like that!.

[Silver]

Good thing there is this law.--Otherwise the Mexican flag or Islamic,etc would be flown over the American flag everywhere ;& any US citizen shouldn't tolerate that.


Are you a retard?

Serious question, by the way...

[Silver]

i'd like to see the court that finds him guilty of property destruction in this matter.
and i do believe the shop owner knew or at least, should know that he can't fly anything above the american flag. this country gives him the opportunity to run his business, don't spit in it's face.

So, we've established that you're clearly not a law and order type of person.

What would have made this story amazingly awesome is if the shop owner had shot the guy trespassing and vandalizing his property.

[kidwoo]

it's funny how pissy you get when you've bled for that flag.

Newsflash: you didn't bleed for a piece of fabric.


If you did, then you were wasting your time when you could have been working to defend the country and its way of life.

[blue]

Seriously, it's like some of these people think a flag is an America voodoo doll...

[ohio]

it's funny how pissy you get when you've bled for that flag.

Did you bleed for the flag or did you bleed for America? For a symbol, or for the values it represents?

And again, you're getting more "pissy" about a guy who probably has a lot of pride in that flag and flew it the wrong way out of ignorance, than the thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands?) in this country that fly a foreign flag and no American flag at all. Why get more upset about a well-intentioned mistake than people who genuinely don't appreciate what this country gives them?

[MMike]

Same here. Even if I knew I wouldn't have cared. That whole care more about the symbol than what it stands for isn't my thing.

Not exactly related but the situation reminds me of this.

1992 World Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_World_Series#_note-0)


I was gonna make reference to that


A faux pas occurred when a United States Marine Corps color guard erroneously displayed the Canadian flag upside down during the opening ceremony of the second game.[1] Speculation ensued amongst some Canadians that the flag was flown upside down as a deliberate insult to Canada, although most agreed the act was unintentional. The Corps apologized for the error and took pains to carry the flag properly prior to Game 3 in Toronto after insisting that they would be honored to do so

[MMike]

it's funny how pissy you get when you've bled for that flag.

TWEEET!!! Horrible cliché penalty. 20 yards. First down.

[MMike]

in honoUr of this thread, I dragged an american flag behind my car on my way to work.....

[valve bouncer]

I was gonna make reference to that
It's an easy mistake to make, I've done it many a time with the Japanese flag.:twitch:

[MMike]

After 11 years??? You need to get a clue. What are you? Mexican?

[MMike]

i actually only just watched the video now. What a friggin nutbar!!

Drops the mexican flag on the ground. Nice.

If someone is retarded enough to put a lot of stock into the whole "flag" thing, what he did is way worse than what the shop-keep did.

Being a vet, I guess he's not right in the head. "He's seen some stuff man..."

[valve bouncer]

After 11 years??? You need to get a clue. What are you? Mexican?
I think I need to take some lessons...in something.

[Greyhound]

So, we've established that you're clearly not a law and order type of person. .

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:




Although the Mexican store owner showed a lack of respect for his positioning of the flags, the intent of his action is always going to be debatable. Problem is, you'll never get anyone on either side of this issue to concede a point to the other. The vet then reciprocated the lack of respect for the owners flag by dropping it on the ground. OK......everyone is now even.

Was the shop owner trying to make a statement that he is Mexican first, American resident 2nd? Or, was it a sly point that this guy thinks Mexico will take over America at some point? Or, do you just think it was just a case of national pride, and he grabbed the Mexican flag 1st and ran it up the flagpole and then put the American one afterwards? Who knows.......but if you wanted a real world solution, the vet should have really kept his cool, confronted the store owner in a less-agressive manner and let him know what the legal deal with it is.......obviously the shop owner doesn't mind flying the American flag-simply take the American flag down, raise some funds with a taco-dinner and put a seperate flagpole up so both flags can be flown simultaneously. Problem solved.

[MMike]

nope, i sure didn't bleed for a piece of fabric, all of those i served with bled for the ideal that is America and the flag symbolizes that ideal. it is a tangible article that symbolizes everything we are about. i don't expect most of you, especially blue, to understand what it's like to stand for something that requires a belief in something other than your own personal agenda. hell, even communists require respect of the flag blue. at least here, you have the freedom to desecrate it if you so please.

Oh beautiful for spacious skies.............

[MikeD]

Just because it's in the US code doesn't make it a law. That's a point of protocol. If it was in a law, it'd be in a criminal title of the code (which I don't believe Title 1 is) and specify a penalty.

[$tinkle]

in honoUr of this thread, I dragged an american flag behind my car on my way to work.....so that pretty much burned out the tranny on your miata, eh?

[MikeD]

so that pretty much burned out the tranny on your miata, eh?

No, s/he will be fine after a few hours' recovery. Trannies are a resilient breed.

[OrthoPT]

you have lots of experience with trannies then, eh?

[MMike]

My boss drives a yellow Miata.

[blue]

nope, i sure didn't bleed for a piece of fabric, all of those i served with bled for the ideal that is America and the flag symbolizes that ideal. it is a tangible article that symbolizes everything we are about. i don't expect most of you, especially blue, to understand what it's like to stand for something that requires a belief in something other than your own personal agenda. hell, even communists require respect of the flag blue. at least here, you have the freedom to desecrate it if you so please.

Ja, ist das Vaterland unter belagerung! SIEG HEIL!

You wanna know why I have a sickle and hammer as my avatar? Not because I love the Soviet Union, that's for damned sure...the fact that you get so bent out of shape about it (see referenced comment above) demonstrates your inept ignorance (and participation) on/in the matter of blind nationalism and symbol worship. You're aware that the most devastating wars in history were fought primarily because of thinking like yours, aren't you? There's something very wrong with that.

Oh wait... I haven't "seen what I've seen", right? Cue up some horribly composed "patriotic" song...

[MMike]

at least here, you have the freedom to desecrate it if you so please.


....but god forbid you fly it in the wrong order......

[Fonzie18]

Haha, that guy is a nutcase. "I’m a Vet and I won't let them do this to my country", "If they wanna fight us then they can come" "I want them to fight me for this flag!!!".

I understand that this guy has very strong feelings toward the flag. However, the way he acted makes him look downright ridiculous. I'm not 100% familiar with the law but I would assume it is not ILLEGAL to fly another flag above the U.S flag...if it is then alot of people would be in trouble. I went through the "flag codes" (pointed out by MikeD) and it is in fact a code and not a law. So it would be at the same level as: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b6/Flag_Dumpster.JPG/800px-Flag_Dumpster.JPG

What sucks is that the media clearly stated that it is illegal and the vast majority of the public will take that as fact (that is, if this act is truly NOT illegal and just a "flag code" violation).

Quick story: A couple of years ago some kids from the neighborhood thought it would be awesome to cut down a Mexican flag from another neighbor's house. They did, diced it up into about 50 pieces and sprinkled the pieces on the neighbor's car. I guess when family awoke the next morning to the "prank", the mom started to cry and the kids did the same. The kids (perps.) told me about it and thought it was the greatest thing, they had no regard for the family and even less for the flag, which apparently holds no merit when compared to the great "old glory"/// Although the old man didn’t go though the trouble of
destroying the other flag, this story reminds me of the video clip.

[spookydave]

anyone ever try and fly an American flag in Mexico? lol

[MMike]

Hey...did manimal delete his post?

What a freedom hater. When you delete posts, Al Qaeda wins.

[SkaredShtles]

Did they deport the bahstid? :p

[Fonzie18]

anyone ever try and fly an American flag in Mexico? lol


Yeah. All the time, people don't mind at all...

When we race off-road down in Baja we have a Mexican and an American flag on our race car. There are many teams who's trucks/cars are painted like the flag as well (a violation of the flag code BTW :busted: ).

[BurlyShirley]

Is this against the code?
http://www.theringlord.org/albums/Tops/rwb16.jpg

[MMike]

Is this against the code?


What? Getting herpes all over the flag?

[jimmydean]

Is this against the code?
http://www.theringlord.org/albums/Tops/rwb16.jpg

Never has your avatar been more appropriate.

[OrthoPT]

seems to right side up to me...

[OrthoPT]

oh, are you talking about the one she's lying on?

[Transcend]

in honoUr of this thread, I dragged an american flag behind my car on my way to work.....

Funny thing about US flag laws: It is also illegal for the flag to be worn as a piece of clothing. Plenty of "patriotic", redneck asshats do this without a second thought. It's especially funny when it's veterans or members of the active military who like to cause trouble like the Vet in this story.

It is also illegal to hang it off of your car, boat, 18 wheeler etc. Plenty do that as well.

Also shouldn't be carried horizontallya st hey do with those gigantic flasg at NFL games.

US Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 7

(b) The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

US Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 8

(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.

[ohio]

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.

****, I guess the whole US gymnastic team needs to be shipped back to Mexico.

http://www.sportsposterwarehouse.com/warehouse/usgymnasts96-1.jpg

[ohio]

I think this guy needs a round-house kick to the face, Rex Kwon Do style.
http://plutoniumblond.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/rkd2.jpg

[DaveW]

****, I guess the whole US gymnastic team needs to be shipped back to Mexico.


Dunno why but that logo at the back is slightly disturbing.

[BurlyShirley]

Wow, my search of "American Flag Bikini" turned up some interesting pics, including this gem.

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/9987/fillintheblank7mw.png

[OrthoPT]

****, I guess the whole US gymnastic team needs to be shipped back to Mexico.

http://www.sportsposterwarehouse.com/warehouse/usgymnasts96-1.jpg

they might slip by on a technicality; they have blue stars on a white background, not the opposite.

[kidwoo]

I think this guy needs a round-house kick to the face, Rex Kwon Do style.
http://plutoniumblond.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/rkd2.jpg

Sh1t like this is just proof that Rex Kwon Do style is taking over our country.

It's an act of agression, by which I feel threatened. Sweaty ass roundhouse kicks are a desecration to pants everywhere.......over which I've shed my own flesh and blood to defend.

I will fight for pants till the day I die!

[reflux]

Wow, my search of "American Flag Bikini" turned up some interesting pics, including this gem.
Unfortunately I need to spread some rep around before I attempt to give you negative rep for this baby.

I disapprove.:disgust1:

[MMike]

Sh1t like this is just proof that Rex Kwon Do style is taking over our country.

It's an act of agression, by which I feel threatened. Sweaty ass roundhouse kicks are a desecration to pants everywhere.......over which I've shed my own flesh and blood to defend.

I will fight for pants till the day I die!

I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[SkaredShtles]

Wow, my search of "American Flag Bikini" turned up some interesting pics, including this gem.

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/9987/fillintheblank7mw.png

I'm *positive* those two are related. :disgust1:

[Jeremy R]

I'm *positive* those two are related. :disgust1:

X marks the FUPA.:twitch:

[MikeD]

I'm *positive* those two are related. :disgust1:

They're not, though...that's why they have to screw...just to make sure.

[SkaredShtles]

X marks the FUPA.:twitch:

Hey! Your custom title is "x"... coincidence?

I think not...

:D

[MikeD]

Funny thing about US flag laws: It is also illegal for the flag to be worn as a piece of clothing. Plenty of "patriotic", redneck asshats do this without a second thought. It's especially funny when it's veterans or members of the active military who like to cause trouble like the Vet in this story.

It is also illegal to hang it off of your car, boat, 18 wheeler etc. Plenty do that as well.

Also shouldn't be carried horizontallya st hey do with those gigantic flasg at NFL games.

US Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 7

(b) The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

US Code TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 8

(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.

Again...it's not the law...but anyhow...this brings up a point of interpretation of the code, and a much greater philosophical question. (unless there's more in the code that covers it, and frankly, digging through Title 1 isn't my thing right now.)

What constitutes a flag? You could take a strict interpretation and say "flag" means only an actual piece of cloth in the specified design and size...which you shouldn't, say, wear as a toga or cut up to decorate something or display horizontally.

By this interpretation, paintings of flags or use of the design of the flag falls under unspecified territory.

But you could also interpret it liberally, to mean the design itself.

It's all a very Jasper Johns question.

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_john_1.jpg

[OrthoPT]

So the code doesn't apply to things that are american flag-like.

[SkaredShtles]

Mmmm........ American flag cake... :drool:

[MikeD]

So the code doesn't apply to things that are american flag-like.

Could...depends on how you read it.

[spookydave]

Yeah. All the time, people don't mind at all...

When we race off-road down in Baja we have a Mexican and an American flag on our race car. There are many teams who's trucks/cars are painted like the flag as well (a violation of the flag code BTW :busted: ).

lol, yeah on a race truck during the 1,000 is one thing. Lets see a couple of white boys put an American flag on the hood of their car and drive around Mexico City during a socker game. (I see that all the time in Anaheim) They wouldn't get around the block.

I've spent lots of time down there installing equipement. I have to mind my P's and Q's much more then the people standing in front of my shop (across the street from a Home Depot) every day.
All and all the people are very nice. But a white American can't push it like it gets pushed here. I've been all over the world and Mexico is the only country that I've been robbed by taxi drivers (once) and cops (3 times).

BTW, painting the stars and strips on a race car is not a violation of anything. Now if you cut up a real flag and glue it to your car that might be different.

Have fun at the big race and be sure to take lots of Steeekers! ;)

I'll be reading about all the $hit that gets stolen on www.race-dezert.com/

[Fonzie18]

lol, yeah on a race truck during the 1,000 is one thing. Lets see a couple of white boys put an American flag on the hood of their car and drive around Mexico City during a socker game. (I see that all the time in Anaheim) They wouldn't get around the block.

True, but the racial demographics are not even close. Not too hard to figure out there are alot more Mexicanos in the L.A area than Gringos in Mexico City. Thus, making the comparison apples to oranges, totally different scenario. I think the Americans putting a flag on the hood of the car during a Mexico Vs. USA SOCCER game would not go well, but then again it IS soccer. Have you seen what some European and South American soccer matches come down to?? MURDER! and mass riots, that ****eee is crazy man!

I've spent lots of time down there installing equipement. I have to mind my P's and Q's much more then the people standing in front of my shop (across the street from a Home Depot) every day.
All and all the people are very nice. But a white American can't push it like it gets pushed here. I've been all over the world and Mexico is the only country that I've been robbed by taxi drivers (once) and cops (3 times).

Hehe, come on. Although the people who are hanging around the home depot do sometimes cause trouble, it is because they are beyond poor and usually un-educated and have not much else in life but to look for a way to live and eat.
Now, as for us Americans not "pushing it" down in Mexico?? Get real. I have been going to Mexico for all of my 22 years and I can tell you without any doubt that Americans feel as though there is no law in Mexico. I have taken hundreds of people to Mexico for the first time, whether it is for a Baja race, a MTB race or just to go party in Tijuana and they all have the same pre-conceived notion that there is no law in Mexico and that pretty much anything goes. I've had many close calls with the law because of this but thankfully have not been robbed or had to pay off a cop...Yeah, I suppose its luck. One of the most traumatizing moments in my childhood was walking down the beach in San Felipe, to find a 50 something year old American couple butt-naked, beyond drunk shouting off all kinds of words...that sucked man.

BTW, painting the stars and strips on a race car is not a violation of anything. Now if you cut up a real flag and glue it to your car that might be different.

Different how? The "flag code" does not specify the flag as being a particular form or material. And it's not against the law...although it would be a waste of time and fabric. Robby had a full-on American flag Paint job back in the mid-90’s BTW it was pretty cool.

Have fun at the big race and be sure to take lots of Steeekers! ;)

I'll be reading about all the $hit that gets stolen on www.race-dezert.com/

I'm pre-running the whole thing the first week of November!! Can't wait. I don't even have to drive back, private plane baby! (perk of hanging with one of the larger teams I suppose).

Oh, we will have stickers, and the kids will be stoked.

Ahaha, don't bring out the Race DeZ shizzz here man. That forum is more ridiculous than this one!! 20th Baja 1000 for me and probably the 25th or so for my pops and not a single thing stolen, people get stuff stolen down there because they are stupid.

[BMXman]

maybe it's just me but a code that states the American flag has to be on top...wow...that's all i can say......I can think of about 1o codes that would benefit the American people so much more...D

[MikeD]

maybe it's just me but a code that states the American flag has to be on top...wow...that's all i can say......I can think of about 1o codes that would benefit the American people so much more...D

C'mon, man. It's part of a larger code of protocol stating how the flag should be displayed...and it's old...been around for a long time. There are protocols for all sorts of things, just sitting there, not taking any effort on anyone's part.

Not to say we can't do a lot better in many areas, but using age-old guidelines on the display of a flag as an example of governmental distraction is pretty weak.

[Westy]

C'mon, man. It's part of a larger code of protocol stating how the flag should be displayed...and it's old...been around for a long time. There are protocols for all sorts of things, just sitting there, not taking any effort on anyone's part.

Not to say we can't do a lot better in many areas, but using age-old guidelines on the display of a flag as an example of governmental distraction is pretty weak.


I think BMXman is right. Our government should focus on more important things like our neighbors up north. Here is a fine example of Canadian code.

Statute
1 - 2 Chap. 9.
An Act respecting the Royal Style and Titles.


Whereas the Prime Ministers and other representatives of Commonwealth countries assembled in London in the month of December, in the year one thousand nine hundred and fifty-two, considered the form of the Royal Style and Titles, and, recognizing that the present form is not in accordance with present constitutional relations within the Commonwealth, concluded that, in the present stage of development of the Commonwealth relationship, it would be in accord with the established constitutional position that each member country should use for its own purposes a form suitable to its own particular circumstances but retaining a substantial element common to all;

Preamble.

And whereas the said representatives of all the Commonwealth countries concerned agreed to take such action as is necessary in each country to secure the appropriate constitutional approval for the changes now envisaged;



And whereas, in order to give effect to the aforesaid conclusions, it is desirable that the Parliament of Canada should assent to the issue of a Royal Proclamation establishing the Royal Style and Titles for Canada:



Therefore, Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows:



1. The assent of the Parliament of Canada is hereby given to the issue by Her Majesty of Her Royal Proclamation under the Great Seal of Canada establishing for Canada the following Royal Style and Titles, namely,

"Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith".

Assent to establishment of Royal Style and Titles.


Chap. 9. Royal Styles and Titles.

1-2 Eliz. II., "Her Majesty", etc.

2. (1) Paragraph (10) of section 37 of the Interpretation Act, chapter 1 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1927, is repealed and the following substituted therefor:

"(10) "Her Majesty", "His Majesty", "the Queen", "the King" or "the Crown" means the Sovereign of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories, and Head of the Commonwealth;"

(2) Upon the coming into force of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1952, paragraph (11) of section 35 of the Interpretation Act, chapter 158 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1952, is repealed and the following substituted therefor:

"(11) "Her Majesty", "His Majesty", "the Queen", "the King" or "the Crown" means the Sovereign of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories, and Head of the Commonwealth;"

Coming into force.

3. Section 2 shall come into force on the day the Royal Proclamation authorized by section 1 is issued.


EDMOND CLOUTIER, C.M.G., O.A., D.S.P.
Queen's Printer and Controller of Stationery
Ottawa, 1953

Proclamation of 1953
E l i z a b e t h II .


Canada


Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith.



Attorney General, to all to whom these Presents shall come or

Canada whom the same may in anywise concern,



Greeting:


A Proclamation



Whereas the Prime Ministers and other representatives of Commonwealth countries assembled in London in the month of December, in the year one thousand nine hundred and fifty-two, considered the form of the Royal Style and Titles, and, recognizing that the present form is not in accordance with present constitutional relations within the Commonwealth, concluded that, in the present stage of development of the Commonwealth relationship, it would be in accord with the established constitutional position that each member country should use for its own purposes a form suitable to its own particular circumstances but retaining a substantial element common to all;


And Whereas the said representatives of all the Commonwealth countries concerned agreed to take such action as is necessary in each country to secure the appropriate constitutional approval for the changes now envisaged;


And Whereas, in order to give effect to the aforesaid conclusions, the Parliament of Canada, under and by virtue of An Act respecting the Royal Style and Titles, assented to on the eleventh day of February, in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and fifty-three, has assented to the issue by Us of Our Royal Proclamation under the Great Seal of Canada establishing for Canada the Style and Titles hereinafter set forth in lieu of the Style and Titles at present appertaining to the Crown;


Now know ye that by and with the advice of Our Privy Council of Canada We do by this Our Royal Proclamation establish for Canada Our Royal Style and Titles as follows, in the English Language:


"Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith".


And in the French language:



«Elizabeth Deux, par la grâce de Dieu, Reine du Royaume-Uni, du Canada et de ses autres royaumes et territoires, Chef du Commonwealth, Défendeur de la Foi»


Of all which Our Loving Subjects and all others whom these Presents may concern are hereby asked to take notice and to govern themselves accordingly,


In Testimony Thereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed,


GIVEN the Twenty-eight day of May in the Year of Our Lord One Thousand Nine Hundred and Fifty-Three and in the Second Year of Our Reign


By Her Majesty's Command

[OrthoPT]

ink well used. LOL.

[stevew]

As far as heroes go, I'd set my sights a little higher.

[spookydave]

Hey Fonzie,

A few other apples to orange comparisons:

TJ to any other part of Mexico
Bourbon Street to any other part of the US
Trophy Truck /Class 1 team to a guy racing his quad. That’s like a waxed apple to an orange that’s been laying in my back yard for a few weeks. lol

Let me ask this. Does anyone think it would have been any different if a white American raised an American flag above his restaurant in Mexico?? If so you are selling the Mexican people short. They are very proud too. I have no doubt that some proud Mexican would come along and cut that sucker down. And if you ask me, rightfully so!

I’ve been going to Mexico for about as long as you. But I was 24 the first time I went. It’s much different when I would go by myself for work then on vacation with my wife (who grew up in central America and speaks Spanish as well as English.) I’m sure you are treated different as well for the same reason. I’ve been your web site a year or so ago. Looks like fun times and I remember thinking that if I was 20 years younger I’d be all over it. I only go now on vacation and yes, some times I’m totally embarrassed by how some of the snotty Americans act. No wonder everyone hates us!

[BMXman]

I think BMXman is right. Our government should focus on more important things like our neighbors up north. Here is a fine example of Canadian code.


lol I hope you didn't expect me to read that whole thing...D

[BMXman]

C'mon, man. It's part of a larger code of protocol stating how the flag should be displayed...and it's old...been around for a long time. There are protocols for all sorts of things, just sitting there, not taking any effort on anyone's part.

Not to say we can't do a lot better in many areas, but using age-old guidelines on the display of a flag as an example of governmental distraction is pretty weak.


ok agreed but it made the news and people think this guy is a hero...priorities people please!!....D

[Transcend]

ok agreed but it made the news and people think this guy is a hero...priorities people please!!....D

It's too bad the Mexican guy hasn't decided to press charges ranging from tresspassing to destruction of private property and theft.

[BurlyShirley]

It's too bad the Mexican guy hasn't decided to press charges ranging from tresspassing to destruction of private property and theft.

Hopefully he gets deported as soon as he speaks to a government official expecting some public service like protection from the police.

[MMike]

.....and then they taze him

[MikeD]

ok agreed but it made the news and people think this guy is a hero...priorities people please!!....D

You were talking about the US Code.

[spookydave]

ok agreed but it made the news and people think this guy is a hero...priorities people please!!....D


You left your country so why do you even care?

[MMike]

My wife left her country and she still seems to like the US for some reason....

[blue]

You left your country so why do you even care?

Yes, damn terr'ist.

[Silver]

So, I guess I'm fully within my rights to tear off this man's shirt and sodomize him for not respecting the flag, right?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2007/10/07/gapbrendansmialowskigetty.jpg

A man cheers after singing during the 'Stand in the Gap' event on the National Mall October 6, 2007 in Washington, DC. The event is geared to Christian men from around the United States. By Brendan Smialowski/Getty Images.

Sorry about that. I had a Larry Craig attack there for a moment. I am not gay. I love my wife. I do not fantasize about sodomizing men wearing American flag shirts. (Although, if I did, is that patriotic, or gay? Does the patriotism outweigh the gay? Does Jesus love a straight person who is indifferent about his national allegiance more than a faggot who really loves his country? It's so damn hard being a Republican these days...)

[Westy]

So, I guess I'm fully within my rights to tear off this man's shirt and sodomize him for not respecting the flag, right?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2007/10/07/gapbrendansmialowskigetty.jpg

A man cheers after singing during the 'Stand in the Gap' event on the National Mall October 6, 2007 in Washington, DC. The event is geared to Christian men from around the United States. By Brendan Smialowski/Getty Images.

Sorry about that. I had a Larry Craig attack there for a moment. I am not gay. I love my wife. I do not fantasize about sodomizing men wearing American flag shirts. (Although, if I did, is that patriotic, or gay? Does the patriotism outweigh the gay? Does Jesus love a straight person who is indifferent about his national allegiance more than a faggot who really loves his country? It's so damn hard being a Republican these days...)


It is only gay when you get caught. Of course you can then just go to counseling and get fixed, it is just an illness.

[BMXman]

You left your country so why do you even care?

"My country"??....maybe you considered it that but I never did. It's just where I was born...nothing more....D

[valve bouncer]

"My country"??....maybe you considered it that but I never did. It's just where I was born...nothing more....D
Silence traitor....will you be so glib when you're standing against the wall? All people who live in countries other than their own are automatically ideologically suspect. You're on the list.

[DaveW]

The list with VB's name at the top.

.... BTW did you want a ciggie with that blindfold?

[valve bouncer]

The list with VB's name at the top.

.... BTW did you want a ciggie with that blindfold?
Yep- preferably a joint.
BTW, I won't mention the rugby if you won't.:disgust1::plthumbsdown:

[DaveW]

Yep- preferably a joint.
BTW, I won't mention the rugby if you won't.:disgust1::plthumbsdown:

Sorry I've never given a rats arse about Rugby.
So I've been having a hell of a time taking the piss out of folks about it on this site that Im admin on. (http://forums.freeriden.co.nz/viewtopic.php?p=84988#84988):rofl: :pirate2:

[valve bouncer]

Sorry I've never given a rats arse about Rugby.
So I've been having a hell of a time taking the piss out of folks about it on this site that Im admin on. (http://forums.freeriden.co.nz/viewtopic.php?p=84988#84988):rofl: :pirate2:
Nice one mate, that was some quality sh*t disturbing there. Looks like you'll be joining me on the wall.:busted:

[spookydave]

"My country"??....maybe you considered it that but I never did. It's just where I was born...nothing more....D

point taken and understood!
Good thing you were not born in North Korea as you would not have been able to leave. Yup, you can thank that Vet for your "right" to flee to Canada. :clapping:

[SkaredShtles]

Yep- preferably a joint.
BTW, I won't mention the rugby if you won't.:disgust1::plthumbsdown:
Hmmm.... what would you mention?

Perhaps something about the ABs getting beat by... oh, I don't know... maybe...

FRANCE?!?

:monkeydance:

[fluff]

Yep- preferably a joint.
BTW, I won't mention the rugby if you won't.:disgust1::plthumbsdown:

Loser..

And sod the nation-state.

[BMXman]

point taken and understood!
Good thing you were not born in North Korea as you would not have been able to leave. Yup, you can thank that Vet for your "right" to flee to Canada. :clapping:

point taken and understood:)