A Blow to the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

[fluff]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6987965.stm

An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.
The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

[MMike]

GAH!! They've gotten to fluff!!

Abort authorization sequence Bravo Alpha Charlie Oscar November!!!

This is not a drill! Repeat! This is not a drill!

Aaaahhhh ooooo gaaaah! Aaaahhhh ooooo gaaaaah

[Changleen]

I love the way they explain his theory in such detail.

[RenegadeRick]

I love the way they explain his theory in such detail.

um.... yeah.

I read it and read it again to make sure I wasn't missing something.
All I got out of that was that he calculated that the building should have taken about as long to collapse as it did.

I googled for a wee bit more, and apparently the study has not been published yet.

http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/news/dp/2007091002
Dr Seffen's new analysis, which will be published in a forthcoming issue of the American Society of Civil Engineers' Journal of Engineering Mechanics, focuses on calculating the residual capacity of the building to resist the weight of the floors above under collapse conditions.


So they published a claim, but skimped on the facts. hmmmm....

I guess we have to wait. I would love to hear about a better reason for collapse than controlled demolition. It would allow me to downgrade the US government from being conspirators, back to being simply incompetent.

[jmvar]

anyone ever look at the NIST study? I went to a seminar where they presented the study and the computer simulation and it was pretty convincing to me. I am a mechanical engineer, not civil, or materials but what was presented was logical for what that's worth.

No mention of WTC 7 though.

[LordOpie]

The buildings should not have collapsed. None of the other buildings hit with commercial airplanes collapsed.

[DaveW]

It's true, the Fiat building in Millan is still standing in spite of being hit by that cessna!

[rockwool]

anyone ever look at the NIST study? I went to a seminar where they presented the study and the computer simulation and it was pretty convincing to me. I am a mechanical engineer, not civil, or materials but what was presented was logical for what that's worth.

No mention of WTC 7 though.

How did they explain the early explosions in the basement and all the other visible explosions, with shooting debri, far below where the pancake collapse was at the time?

[bean]

Conspiracy theorists make my head hurt.

[Dartman]

Conspiracy theorists make my head hurt.

A foil hat helps with that. :biggrin:

[Dartman]

How did they explain the early explosions in the basement and all the other visible explosions, with shooting debri, far below where the pancake collapse was at the time?

Compressed air blowing out windows as the floors pancaked down. The surviving firefighters from the stairwell reported being blown down several flights of stairs by hurricane force winds.

[LordOpie]

Compressed air blowing out windows as the floors pancaked down. The surviving firefighters from the stairwell reported being blown down several flights of stairs by hurricane force winds.

I think it was Zion National Park, they have a sign talking about a boulder that fell into the Narrows -- river in a very narrow canyon. The boulder had a diameter of a big SUV. They said that it caused hurricane force winds.

I don't really have anything to add, more reminiscing about ZNP :)

[OrthoPT]

A foil hat helps with that. :biggrin:

:stupid:

[SPINTECK]

The buildings should not have collapsed. None of the other buildings hit with commercial airplanes collapsed.

from what i saw on a tv program with the engineer of the buildings, what made the world trade center unique was that the supports were not evenly distributed throughout the structure like other big towers. In order to maximize rental area, the supports were all moved to the outside of the structure and the flooring was held together with welded trusses. This was very novel at the time because it made more money that other buildings and was structurally sound.

Theory is osama and his engineers (since we all know his father is a billionare construction mogul) knew that those trusses would melt under intense heat, which would realease each layer like a pancake.

Number 7, that's a mystery. Most recent thing I heard yesterday was that it sustained a lot of damage from the falling towers, but if you watch the video,the building 7 falls straight down. You wold think it would fall towards the side that was damaged.


Zion is awesome. you should start a thread and post some pics and stuff. Enjoy those last pre-baby trips.

[OrthoPT]

Most recent thing I heard yesterday was that it sustained a lot of damage from the falling towers, but if you watch the video,the building 7 falls straight down. You wold think it would fall towards the side that was damaged.




Sounds like you picture the building falling the way a tree would when it's being chopped down. It would fall that way only if the building was solid, like wood. IMHO, the shards from the falling towers must have compromised the overall structural integrity of building 7. Once the damage reached a critical point, gravity simply pulled it to the ground like a house of cards.

[3D.]

anyone ever look at the NIST study? I went to a seminar where they presented the study and the computer simulation and it was pretty convincing to me. I am a mechanical engineer, not civil, or materials but what was presented was logical for what that's worth.

No mention of WTC 7 though.

Was that the same logical report that displayed a computerized sequence of the pentagon being struck by a plan with NO engines on the wings:crazy:

[X3pilot]

Gravity is a conspiracy. :imstupid:

[MarinR00]

Ahhh, you gotta love conspiracism.

Some key points:
“Events which seem to resist such interpretation—for example, because they are, in fact, unexplainable—may provoke the inquirer to look harder for a meaning, until one is reached that is capable of offering the inquirer the required emotional satisfaction.”

“At other times, the unfolding of complex sequences of events such as political phenomena are explainable, but not in simple terms. Conspiracy theories are often preferred by individuals as a way to understand what is happening around them without having to grasp the complexities of history and political interaction.”

“According to some psychologists, a person who believes in one conspiracy theory tends to believe in others; a person who does not believe in one conspiracy theory tends not to believe another.”

”Christopher Hitchens represents conspiracy theories as the 'exhaust fumes of democracy', the unavoidable result of a large amount of information circulating among a large number of people.”

“In that context, a typical individual will tend to be more isolated from the kinds of peer networks that grant access to broad sources of information, and may instinctively distrust any statement or claim made by certain people, media, and other authority-bearing institutions. For some individuals, the consequence may be a tendency to attribute anything bad that happens to the distrusted authority. For example, some people attribute the September 11, 2001 attacks to a conspiracy involving the U.S. government (or disfavored politicians) instead of or along with Islamic terrorists associated with Al-Qaeda. Such charges may also be colored with political motivation. Similar charges (in some circles) were made that the Franklin D. Roosevelt administration was in some way culpable for the Attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941.”


I pulled this all from Wikipedia, for simplicity sake. I broke my rule about trusting on-line sources, but I do know this information can be found in physiology texts (most of which I was forced to read back at school).

And while this may not be at diplomatic, nor as formal as I like to be when discussing something like this, this site offers a very…. colorful view of the 9-11 conspiracy. I hope it works for you.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

[OrthoPT]

That site is hysterical! Thanks for the link. :clapping:

[LordOpie]

"Watching this video is like being bukakked with stupid."

:rofl:

Maddox for PotUS.

[RenegadeRick]

Please allow me the opportunity to re-post this. Danke.

I will not repeat myself. See here:

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2670490&posted=1#post2670490

[ohio]

I will not repeat myself.

Nor should such novistry ever be written down more than once.