All of the Corsair bikes are up!!

[ZHendo]

It's true, all of the bikes are on the site, just without complete details. I'd love to own every single one, talk about a complete stable.

http://www.corsairbikes.com/fly.aspx?layout=about

[stiksandstones]

Those guys right off the bat have done what so many small builders have tried to do for decades. I do not care if its same design as brand x, brand z, the bikes look really good, graphics that fit the image of the sport, just a cool package.
Well done to those guys, wish them luck.

[DavidMakalaster]

They are super fine. I love that they made a different suspension for every bike. To me that demonstrates a desire to actually make the best bike for the purpose rather than stick to one proprietary technology. Those bikes are beautiful in person. I want em all too.

[THRILLSEEKA]

Damn, definately diggin the Maelstrom! 14" Bb height, 66* HA, 7" of travel, 2:1 leverage... Yep, that'll work!

[tlproject7]

i need to know what that little shock does on the dh bike. please explain

[DavidMakalaster]

i need to know what that little shock does on the dh bike. please explain

Watch the animation on their site.

[muddy beast]

they look nice, thats for sure.

[skiwithcharlie]

they made in Taiwan?

[DavidMakalaster]

It's worth mentioning that they still have one more bike to debut. Their website says they'll have 6. A slalom bike maybe?

[vpfree05]

Nice bikes. I not sold on the whole dual shock thing though.

[DHDror]

Damn, definately diggin the Maelstrom! 14" Bb height, 66* HA, 7" of travel, 2:1 leverage... Yep, that'll work!

works for me as well !

[jon-boy]

I'm looking forward to seeing the animation for the freeride and AM bikes. I'm trying to figure out how that shock is activated. Nice looking bikes and individual looking too. Hope the ride is up to the standard of the aesthetics.

[FCLinder]

I see a bad A$$ Mini DHer here!!!!!!

7" of rear Travel, 2:1 ratio, 66 HT angel, low BB, and a slack Seat Post..... All the #s I like to see.

http://www.corsairbikes.com/images/maelstromframetan.jpg

[jsh191]

I'm looking forward to seeing the animation for the freeride and AM bikes. I'm trying to figure out how that shock is activated. Nice looking bikes and individual looking too. Hope the ride is up to the standard of the aesthetics.

main pivot is actually the one above the chainstay, and the rocker that activates/moves the shock rotates about the BB. the action of the rear triangle pulls the smaller linkage backward (counterclockwise) and upward, rotating the arm around the BB and compressing the shock from the bottom.

the bikes do look pretty sweet... graphics, geometry and style are dead on!!!

[FCLinder]

More pics:

http://lh5.google.de/TFJ777/Rtcyxm07MqI/AAAAAAAABsA/ws1rf1CU4Lo/img147.jpg?imgmax=512

http://lh5.google.de/TFJ777/Rtcyzm07MrI/AAAAAAAABsI/JaKn3Uq5xpE/img148.jpg?imgmax=512

[Sandwich]

WOW...that maelstrom FR bike is DOPE....low COG, nice high pivot with an idler...two front chainrings...wonder what the price is? Could use a higher BB IMO, i'm not fond of short cranks and rocks like you west coasters.

I'm very curious as to the weight of these rides...massive shocks, TONS of overengineering...two shocks on some bikes...it's a little scary. Why, if they end up emulating a single pivot, do they use two links on the slopeslopper bike? to be different? seems like excess weight to me....

[Sandwich]

also, I still don't understand why they market all these dualshock bikes as having pedalling platform or bottom out protection. Why not axle "area" instead of path?

[xy9ine]

also, I still don't understand why they market all these dualshock bikes as having pedalling platform or bottom out protection. Why not axle "area" instead of path?
indeed. some interesting potential there. though i imagine it's a challenge to 'area' tune the two shocks, and much simpler to have the upper & lower ranges.

[Sandwich]

true, tuning would be a beatch...but I imagine you would tune the main shock normally, and adjust the air shock purely for rearward travel. Maybe they're concerned with the bearings on the upper shock...but from what I see, nobody is using 9.5" anymore, and most people are moving to 7" bikes...so keep 7" of vertical and a few inches of rearward....It just doesn't make sense to add a secondary shock when shock mfgs are making such good bottom out resistance and frame mfgs are making good rising rate linkages...

[xy9ine]

yeah, i could see the shock bushing having a short lifespan (with the swingarm pivoting up on it) & the shock seeing a fair amount of lateral stress - that lower pivot assembly is going to have to be really stiff. the more i think about it, the more this design seems kinda sucky, actually (pure, unsubstantiated speculation of course). at least it looks pretty.

[DavidMakalaster]

It doesn't have a suspension area. It has a modified axle-path. The second shock doesn't move until the end of the travel. It behaves like a single pivot then at bottom-out the axle moves up and back to deal with sharp-edged hits. You can also remove the second shock and lock out the linkage to make it a shorter travel single-pivot for snappier courses.

The Konig has two links to attain a stiffness and durability level that is very difficult to attain on single pivots.

[wetsponge007]

What do you guys think the prices will be like? I was looking at the Konig and the Marque, and saw the post that Doug posted about the prices being in line with the top 25% of high end bikes.

[Sandwich]

I'm estimating that you work for Corsair. Correct if wrong.

Why not use it as an axle area bike? Surely the average rider encounters square edged hits without using 7" of travel...right? Why not utilize that second shock even when you're not maxed out? Theoretically, unless there is a design feature preventing it, you'd use that second shock any time if it had a low enough air pressure. Karpiel tried a blow off air shock...they sold twelve.

I find it hard to believe the addition of links would make a bike stiffer, rather than a large pivot axle, good bearings, and perhaps a scissor link (foes).

[DavidMakalaster]

I'm estimating that you work for Corsair. Correct if wrong.

Why not use it as an axle area bike? Surely the average rider encounters square edged hits without using 7" of travel...right? Why not utilize that second shock even when you're not maxed out? Theoretically, unless there is a design feature preventing it, you'd use that second shock any time if it had a low enough air pressure. Karpiel tried a blow off air shock...they sold twelve.

I find it hard to believe the addition of links would make a bike stiffer, rather than a large pivot axle, good bearings, and perhaps a scissor link (foes).

Don't work for them. I had the chance to ride the Konig at CW Colorado and I talked to the engineer at length and know people that have ridden the crown.

It still moves up and back as a single pivot. The high-rearward pivot is responsible for that. It still handles and behaves like a single pivot. Much snappier feel than other rearward axlepath bikes. The goal is to get the best of both types of suspension. If properly set up the second shock won't move until the end. That would make it handle poorly apparently. (can't testify to this myself)

The Konig is crazy stiff and it's not heavy. The short links distribute the load evenly among the four sets of bearings. Eight bearings sharing a load last a lot longer than two.

[THRILLSEEKA]

Anyone got a phone number for these guys???

[dexter]

the bikes are nasty and pablo is a great guy. real bad ass company producing awesome looking bikes that ride really well. you guys have to check out their pedals. one of the lowest sets i have ever seen (think old atomlab but thinner) but without the bearing and bushing woes of old

[wetsponge007]

Anyone got a phone number for these guys???

For additional information please contact Doug Stuart at:
e-mail – doug@corsairbikes.com
phone – 425 296 6706
Skype – d_stuart

PS. If you find out how much they're going to be selling for let me know:)

[bwolmarans]

2:1 Ratio on a 7" travel bikes means the stroke is 3.5" ???

7" of rear Travel, 2:1 ratio

[jvnixon]

2:1 Ratio on a 7" travel bikes means the stroke is 3.5" ???

10.5 x 3.5" shock

[ArthurDH]

why does a slopestyle bike need such stiffness?

[Secret Squirrel]

why does a slopestyle bike need such stiffness?

Watch the crankworx slopestyle footage from this year...look for boyko's finish drop 360's...tell me that's not a lot of torque put on the bike...

[ArthurDH]

well wouldn't a bit of torsion help for such landings? it's like more rear travel!

[THRILLSEEKA]

It's that "give it an inch and it'll take a mile" philosophy.
Where are these guys located at?? I thought about that AFTER I called them and left a message. No answer and I'm not a very patient person.

So what price range is considered the "top 25% of the high end bikes???" Cuz Specialized far exceeded that this year and Ican't afford one of those now...

[dexter]

made overseas, based out of washington im pretty sure and offices in cali. i could totally be making this up right now but im pretty sure thats what i was told

[THRILLSEEKA]

He's still hiding from his phone. I want answers damnit! I need a price so I know if I should sell my lovely SX!

[SPDR]

I do wish the Maelstrom had a 73/135 rear end rather than the 83/150 but then that's just me I guess. Oh and I'd have one as soon as they come out if they put a decent shock on it rather than the dubious Revox.
The specs seem to indicate it'd be the perfect all round bike but as said above - how much she weigh?

[THRILLSEEKA]

Damnit, it's SO close to my SX I wonder if it's even worth messing with. My SX has an Avalanche shock, an inch less travel, a half inch higher BB height, a half inch shorter chainstay, same headangle. What mine needs that the Corsair has is a lower standover, a lower BB, and a fresh look. My SX has NO chain growth or feedback(that I've ever noticed anyway) and it feels great hauling ass. Love those Avys! Which is probably what the Corsair would get if I got one. But I think a 3.5" DHX would feel a lot more lively on the jumps!

[MouseMonkey]

You mean the guy trying to start a whole new bike company isn't answering his phone? As far as I have seen and heard, there are maybe two or three prototypes of the König and Ducat, and no production bikes available yet. I don't think there is a Crown prototype yet, so I doubt anybody has ridden it.

Dude probably isn't going to have a complete price list ready to fax to you.:D

He's still hiding from his phone. I want answers damnit! I need a price so I know if I should sell my lovely SX!

[DavidMakalaster]

You mean the guy trying to start a whole new bike company isn't answering his phone? As far as I have seen and heard, there are maybe two or three prototypes of the König and Ducat, and no production bikes available yet. I don't think there is a Crown prototype yet, so I doubt anybody has ridden it.

Dude probably isn't going to have a complete price list ready to fax to you.:D

There are a few crowns floating around. There are a handful of all the frames and the productions ones are being made now.

[Eurotrash]

There are a few crowns floating around. There are a handful of all the frames and the productions ones are being made now.

Not what I was told. I was told that the maelstrom at Euro Bike was the first prototype... and no crowns had been made yet.

[THRILLSEEKA]

Well none of that is good news at all! I'm going to fill up his machine's tape... tee hee!

[wetsponge007]

Well none of that is good news at all! I'm going to fill up his machine's tape... tee hee!

Like you I would love to find out a price range for the Marque or Konig. Especially since I am looking for a bike right now and would hate to buy a bike then find out that I could have got a Corsair if I had waited 2 to 4 weeks. Hopefully someone will have an answer for us soon, or Doug may happen to pick up the phone. I sent an email and got a response that there will be more info soon, hopefully that will be within a month.

[Eurotrash]

I think a lot of info will be made public soon.

[Urinal Mint]

made overseas, based out of washington im pretty sure and offices in cali. i could totally be making this up right now but im pretty sure thats what i was told

Any idea where in Washington? Bellingham area perhaps? That's what I am hoping, cuz I am moving there in May, and I want to work for them. Bellingham area seems to be a hot spot for bike companies with both Kona and Transition located there.

[THRILLSEEKA]

Alright, talked to him at noon. VERY chill guy! We talked about prices, availability, weight and shock options, and... well, it's too early for pretty much everything! Looking at January for the Maelstrom(so I highly doubt there's any bouncing around out there yet). Sorry, but that's the only one I asked about because that's the only one I'm looking at and because he seemed pretty tired! I forgot ALL ABOUT Eurobike, which is where he's been, which is why he wasn't answering his phone! Sorry Doug! There isn't an exact weight KNOWN yet, but he said that(knowing FREERIDE oriented bikes are on the heavier end of the spectrum) that the Maelstrom will be respectable and acceptable. No numbers were discussed, but I guess I'm thinking on the heavier end with the 10.5" shock and the various doodads? But most consider the Demo 8 a tank and I pedaled mine all over the country. Don't know.
Which leaves the price.... who's biting their nails? The price for the Maelstrom is... not open for discussion! Ha! Was that enough drama time? Should I have left more of a pause in there? Sorry, but he asked me very nicely to not repeat it as he didn't want to be quoted on something that's 6 months out from release. I gave me some numbers in hope that he was erring on the high side, but they usually go up, not down. If it WERE to be less than he told me...I'll take two. Let's put it that way. The original expectation of pricing within the top 25 percent of the high end bikes is a bit high. I'd say it is one ****ing hell of a bargain for a 2:1 ratio bike with the geo that it sports. The Big Red S just got date raped and knocked off their soapbox. The Corsair bikes are already twice the bike with a much more pleasant price tag. But like I said, it's 6 months out, there's SOOOOOOO much that can change. Hell, companies have gone belly up and never even opened their doors in 6 months.
Oh, there was talk about shocks: He finds it interesting that he reads about everyone not liking the Revox choice. He said that for one, it's his only viable option at this point to keep it nicely priced. He said the interesting part was that a few of those not liking the Revox mentioned wanting a ROCO. Apparently(I didn't know this) they're made in the same damn building. And he clarified that by telling me that Marzocchi HAS shown interest in the Corsair line. I suggested Avy(of course) and he's already been there. Not sure what that means, but atleast we know he's getting out there and really checking into things. Cool.
Now I REALLY REALLY hope I didn't say too much about the wrong things. IF so, someone should let me know and I'll delete whatever needs be.
So... I'm totally bummed that they're 6 months out. He WON'T sell me the proto. I WILL be getting one. And he's a really nice guy who sounds he needs a nap. Oh, and attractive bikes at attractive prices. Nice.

[THRILLSEEKA]

Geez... I don't remember typing that much!^^

[wetsponge007]

Thanks Thrillseeka! I sure hope they come out sooner than later:) The bikes look very well thought out, I can't wait to see one when they start selling.

[ZHendo]

i've been really caught up in school shenanigans, but i keep thinking about that maelstrom frame, it's freekin' amazing. the suspension design still confuses me, but it looks sick, and the 2:1 ratio is awesome-o.

[THRILLSEEKA]

Oh man, Doug just sent me some of the sexiest pics of bike parts i've ever seen in my life. Period. I'll post them when I get more time! And yeah, he said it's cool to "do with them what I please..." Thanks Doug!

[THRILLSEEKA]

The special sauce...
Holy CNC time, Batman!
The damn BB is the main pivot for the shock.

[THRILLSEEKA]

A few more, then I gotta dump some old ones cuz my stupid quota is maxed. Lost my damn Imageshack passwords, they're not helping me out any. Darn it! there's porn to be looking at here! Have a few more pics yet. Gimme a few...
I also haven't been giving enough love to the Konig(not pictured)... Does it get any more simple appearing?? Now I need two Corsairs.

[ZHendo]

oh my.....

[rosenamedpoop]

Thrillseeka, do you talk as much as you type?

While I'm not kidding about your extra-longwindedness, I am happy you found all this out and posted it. Thanks man!

[blue]

Me want the Manstorm!

[Tootrikky]

2:1 pfft......... I am holding out for a 0.5:1 bike to come out!

I love MTB marketing.

Seriously though the bikes look really nice. Wonder what the optimum ratio range is? MX bikes run around 2.3:1 for a little perspective.

[rosenamedpoop]

Me want the Manstorm!

Manstorms are gross.

[Tully]

2:1 pfft......... I am holding out for a 0.5:1 bike to come out!

I love MTB marketing.

Seriously though the bikes look really nice. Wonder what the optimum ratio range is? MX bikes run around 2.3:1 for a little perspective.


It'd be interesting to try building a 1:1 trail bike with the 5"-stroke shock from a Foes 2:1 Mono...

[THRILLSEEKA]

Yes, I talk a lot. But I'm funny. You'd be laughing and buy me a beer to keep it rollin...

[BJ-]

Yes, I talk a lot. But I'm funny. You'ld be laughing and buy me a beer to keep it rollin...

Nah, your more of an anoying person who talks alot rather than a funnier one.

[THRILLSEEKA]

You wouldn't know, I don't talk to you.

[JustMtnB44]

2:1 pfft......... I am holding out for a 0.5:1 bike to come out!

I love MTB marketing.

Seriously though the bikes look really nice. Wonder what the optimum ratio range is? MX bikes run around 2.3:1 for a little perspective.

Most off road vehicles including atv's, dune buggies and race trucks run around a 2:1 ratio. Their range is probably 1.75:1 - 2.25:1. I don't see why bikes shouldn't be similar as it allows lower spring rates and easier shock tuning, which is probably why most manufacturers are starting to lower the motion ratios.

It'd be interesting to try building a 1:1 trail bike with the 5"-stroke shock from a Foes 2:1 Mono...

Interesting maybe, but 1:1 or lower ratios don't really work that well. It would be difficult to tune the shock damping to work for the slow shaft speed and low spring rate that would be required.

[JustMtnB44]

The Corsair bikes are looking pretty sick, i'm looking forward to hearing some real ride reports.

[THRILLSEEKA]

For sure. Anyone headed to Interbike be sure to catch some pics if possible. Also tell him Cody from South Dakota says "hi!" Again... :)

[blue]

For sure. Anyone headed to Interbike be sure to catch some pics if possible. Also tell him Cody from South Dakota says "hi!" Again... :)

Will do, but only because you're entertaining...

:banana:

[THRILLSEEKA]

Hey, if I COULD mellow out, I sure as hell would! You think it's not exhausting being this excited about...well...everything?

[wetsponge007]

Just got a price on the Marque frame and a date:) about 1700$ and should be available Feb of 08. Being bikeless I don't know if I can wait;(

[Cave Dweller]

the bikes are nasty and pablo is a great guy. real bad ass company producing awesome looking bikes that ride really well. you guys have to check out their pedals. one of the lowest sets i have ever seen (think old atomlab but thinner) but without the bearing and bushing woes of old

Any info on these pedals???

[Eurotrash]

Pedals have Two DU bushings and one bearing.
They look incredibly thin.

[jvnixon]

Maelstrom Frame including rear shock, headset, seat clamp and Maxle will sell for $1699. Should have a ton more after interbike.

Due out in February

Few more pics
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/search.php?keywords=corsair+maelstrom&cat=534&x=0&y=0

[Sandwich]

Maelstrom Frame including rear shock, headset, seat clamp and Maxle will sell for $1699. Should have a ton more after interbike.

Due out in February

Few more pics
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/search.php?keywords=corsair+maelstrom&cat=534&x=0&y=0

dude, seriously? will they have a demo at interbike? i might go if so. very nice looking frame and price.

[jvnixon]

dude, seriously? will they have a demo at interbike? i might go if so. very nice looking frame and price.


They aren't going to be at the outdoor demo, just the expo. I inquired on a full bike being built at the show... but haven't heard back yet.

[THRILLSEEKA]

Ugh.. Feb now? That blows. But good to hear he settled on a price in the same range that he gave me. I, too am anxious to see a complete unit. It always seems difficult to truly SEE a bike until it's on wheels...

[gadafi]

Maelstrom Frame including rear shock, headset, seat clamp and Maxle will sell for $1699. Should have a ton more after interbike.

Due out in February

Few more pics
http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/search.php?keywords=corsair+maelstrom&cat=534&x=0&y=0

where'd you get that info? 1699 would be in my price range...interesting...let's wait till interbike

[jvnixon]

where'd you get that info? 1699 would be in my price range...interesting...let's wait till interbike

I asked Corsair.

[THRILLSEEKA]

I was gonna say, if there's two people on the planet who's gonna know stuff about new stuff, it's the company and JV!
You should give us the Sicklines.com creation story someday...

[wetsponge007]

where'd you get that info? 1699 would be in my price range...interesting...let's wait till interbike


Doug sent me an email with the same price and a release date for the Marque(not sure about the others) of Feb 2008. I know you were asking the other poster, but that's where I got my info.

I hope it's sooner, the bikes look super strong and very well designed. If any of you guys see the Marque and have any feedback on it, post it:)

[rosenamedpoop]

Freakin' beautiful.


http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/data/534/medium/corsair_malestorm.jpg


To my knowledge this is the first design to use a high pivot pulley with a front derailer.


http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/data/534/medium/corsair_malestorm_2.jpg

[THRILLSEEKA]

I can't even name any non mondo travel frames that use an idler... And Corsair even has it on the Marque, their AM/XC rig! Which looks pretty much like a tightened down Maelstrom.
More than prices and due dates, I REALLY want to see some weights! That Konig is starting to get a bit more of my attention as well. I would call that our version of an aggressive XC bike... looks light, nimble and quick.

[rosenamedpoop]

Hey THRILLSEEKA, the Corsair site says the Maelstrom has an adjustable head angle, but geo is listed at 66*. Didn't happen to ask Doug what the other settings are, did you?

[jvnixon]

The Corsair adjustable headtube is a 3 degree adjustable system.

Ships in 0degree mode. So unless its different, i'd say you have a range of +/- 1degree (i.e. 65*, 66*, and 67*).

[rosenamedpoop]

^Thanks.

Man, that would be awesome to have a 7" front derailer bike with real DH geo. 14" bb and a 65* HA!

[THRILLSEEKA]

I think I'm going to have to step up JVnixon to in front of Trojan Man as my new hero. He knows all...

[FCLinder]

Just got word today that the Maelstrom frame and shock is 11lbs. This is from Doug at Corsair.

[THRILLSEEKA]

Hmm, great to know, but for some reason I was hoping it was going to be a little lighter. Not sure why! However...it's a very stout, 7" travel frame. That's actually on the lower end of the scale of that type of bike, and has WAY more trick upgrades, 150mm/maxle, idler(no need for a chainguide, other than a Stinger, maybe), 3.5" stroke shock, full length seat tube... Actually, 11 pounds isn't too bad at all...

[FCLinder]

Hmm, great to know, but for some reason I was hoping it was going to be a little lighter. Not sure why! However...it's a very stout, 7" travel frame. That's actually on the lower end of the scale of that type of bike, and has WAY more trick upgrades, 150mm/maxle, idler(no need for a chainguide, other than a Stinger, maybe), 3.5" stroke shock, full length seat tube... Actually, 11 pounds isn't too bad at all...

Yep, I feel the same way. The weight of it really turned me off about the frame... If it was 7 lbs to 8lbs like most 7" fames it would have been more of what I have been looking for. O'Well. It is still a nice frame!!!

[jvnixon]

more from interbike

http://www.sicklines.com/interbike2007/corsair

[Eurotrash]

Did you get to pick one up to see how it felt weight-wise?

[CKxx]

I like the bike for the most part, but when I see these bearings I hear the sound of a trumpet going, "woooow wooow woooooowowow"

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92449&d=1189199317