Sugar Update

[ztlh13]

For everyone racing DH there is good news: This from the Sugar National website.

Make it to the bottom in one piece and it’s just a short lift ride back to the top and another run to glory. :crazy:

I just need to work on the one piece part.

[Jeremy R]

Ha,
Or just hit your head hard enough to where the lift ride feels short.
Its gonna take a good whack.

[AngryMetalsmith]

Too bad they don't have gondolas. You could use the extra time to work on your bike.

[manimal]

noah and i had time to start and finish lunch well before we got to the trashcans to b-52 style drop our trash.

[bizutch]

For everyone racing DH there is good news: This from the Sugar National website.

Make it to the bottom in one piece and it’s just a short lift ride back to the top and another run to glory. :crazy:

I just need to work on the one piece part.

This just in. Juan may be helping shape the slalom so that you have something else to do while you're there. Oh..and now that you guinea piged the drop, it's got a straight run-in....:bonk:

[ymsb20]

anybody know if that drop at the top is gonna be on the expert course?

[FCLinder]

Rode there today and I have to say the trail has worn in good over the year. I will have to say it felt like it was a lot easier than last year too. I like the new lines through Lizards lane. The funny thing is last year at the National I didn't get much practice on the course and didn’t get to look at all the different lines. I took some time today to look at lines and found so many lines that are much better than the lines I was running last year. Glad I got some practice in today due to the practice time we will be getting for the National this year. To only have 1.5 hours to practice both Sat and Sun is going to such bad. I can't believe that is all they are giving for Pro practice this year. They should give us more time with the lift as slow as it is. Wait I am talking about NORBA here so I guess I should expect more. Maybe like the 3 hours we get at Snow Shoe before a race run........... By the way the lift was about 28 mins to the top this time. Much better than last year at 43 mins ride.

:cheers: Cecil

[motomike]

yes the lift was no bad feeling at all. 8 runs total for us on saturday, with a lunch break.

[stubby]

i rode today! it was alot of fun! i still hate the uphills but there good for me .

[motomike]

i rode today! it was alot of fun! i still hate the uphills but there good for me .

what uphills?

[stubby]

lizards lane i think? its after the root if i remember correctly. my breaks wernt working so i had to use flintstone breaks . 510s work great.

[bizutch]

yes the lift was no bad feeling at all. 8 runs total for us on saturday, with a lunch break.

8? all day? I got in 7 and I got on the lift last week at 1:40pm?

i rode today! it was alot of fun! i still hate the uphills but there good for me .
wow...if you think there is an uphill in Lizards Lane...:lighten:

[FCLinder]

i rode today! it was alot of fun! i still hate the uphills but there good for me .

Were you one of the 2 guys that showed up around 2 esh? I got 6 runs in yesterday started around 10:30 and stoped at 3pm. I would say I took about an hour playing around between runs.

As for the uphill, let off the brakes and you will not feel any of them.

[motomike]

8? all day? I got in 7 and I got on the lift last week at 1:40pm?

yeah we were taking our time messing around on some sections and stuff about every run.

[bizutch]

yeah we were taking our time messing around on some sections and stuff about every run.

did the pile of rocks we stacked up in the creek help at all to keep you dry?

[motomike]

Yeah that was all good. The top sections are money right now.

[stubby]

well i wasnt exactly going fast. my el caminos stopped working. thats the only thing there good at stopping at. yeah i know the second run i didnt feel them.

yea weh showed up around 2 oclock. the pile of rocks was nice it did keep us dry.

i dont think i t was lizards lane where it was.

[FCLinder]

did the pile of rocks we stacked up in the creek help at all to keep you dry?

Yes that was much better than the past. Good job.

[stubby]

what is the trick to "butchs huck" i looked at it and just thought what the heal? do you huck it all the way to the bottom or double stepdown it?

[motomike]

what is the trick to "butchs huck" i looked at it and just thought what the heal? do you huck it all the way to the bottom or double stepdown it?

my line was to push up and ride the go-around down. :busted:

[stubby]

sweet i dont feel so bad now!!

[bizutch]

what is the trick to "butchs huck" i looked at it and just thought what the heal? do you huck it all the way to the bottom or double stepdown it?

just ride straight down the middle of those 2 rock steps...just like riding a set of steps at city hall...with a pissed off cop weilding a battering ram if you get too close to the fountain. :happydance:

[bizutch]

well i wasnt exactly going fast. my el caminos stopped working. thats the only thing there good at stopping at. yeah i know the second run i didnt feel them.

yea weh showed up around 2 oclock. the pile of rocks was nice it did keep us dry.

i dont think i t was lizards lane where it was.

there is a creek in Lizards Lane that is wheel deep. It's just a spring really. You go down the little muddy ditch section , then up and left over that long, flat turtle rock. Right past it on the only flat spot is the spring. I was getting annoyed b/c every run was bone dry and then my ankles were getting hosed by 1 5 foot wide mud puddle every time.

[FCLinder]

there is a creek in Lizards Lane that is wheel deep. It's just a spring really. You go down the little muddy ditch section , then up and left over that long, flat turtle rock. Right past it on the only flat spot is the spring. I was getting annoyed b/c every run was bone dry and then my ankles were getting hosed by 1 5 foot wide mud puddle every time.

Yah, its nice to cross the creek now a few times than ride in it the whole time like in the past. They did a good job....

[stubby]

^ill stick with mikes line

[T-Pirate]

lizards lane i think? its after the root if i remember correctly. my breaks wernt working so i had to use flintstone breaks . 510s work great.

Oh right....the root. Now I know where you're talking about.

[stubby]

^ hhahahha roflcopter hahahahahah

[volklracer]

where is "butchs huck" at? Is it the crazy double step thing at the top before that big rock face?

[stubby]

yeap.

[kona-rider]

is it going to be on the DH course this year? (sorry if this has already been discussed)

[FCLinder]

is it going to be on the DH course this year? (sorry if this has already been discussed)

I was talking to a few workers up there on Sun. and they said that there is talk about not having it this year due to all the Pros that didn't think it was all that safe. Wait, we are talking about Downhill here are we not? I am find with it ether way.....

[bizutch]

Eric is not too keen on it being in the course and I can't say I blame him. When we cut it originally, it looked completely different. With the straight run-in, it was just mulch with those two big rocks. After rains and riders, it looks alot different.

I'm riding it Saturday and I think I'll know for sure then (but it's not my decision, it's Erics.)

[stubby]

props for riding it^

[bizutch]

props for riding it^

don't confuse skill with stupidity. I walk a very fine line...:biggrin:

[Guard]

don't confuse skill with stupidity. I walk a very fine line...:biggrin:

AMEN!!!:biggrin: :crazy:

[manimal]

i think i've just decided to say "eff sugar." i just crunched all of the numbers and it's ridiculously expensive for such a minute amount of time on the mountain.
3 hours (crowded) practice on friday for DH = $20 lift ticket
noah's race fee for DS on friday afternoon w/ 2 hours practice = $27
1.5 hours DH practice on saturday (2 runs max) = $20 lift ticket
DH registration = $55

camping = $20 per night for minimum of 3 nights = $60
Food = $75 -ish
Gas = $65 round trip

for a grand total of $322! holy hell that's stupid expensive for one race run and 4 practice runs for me and about 2 hours of practice for noah and realistically 2 race runs (1 qual, 1 elimination...he'll be racing 14 yr olds :rolleyes: )

i think i'll either race DS w/ noah so i don't have to pay for lodging and food or just let him race. i can't NOT go because he's super stoked on going and his Cycletherapy jersey should be ready by then ;) i just think i'll forego the insane price of the DH/lift fee BS.

are they allowing singlespeeds for DS?
-and-
can i practice Dh w/out registering?

oh yeah...Eff Norba!!

[haromtnbiker]

Manimal... I couldn't tell if you realized this, but you only have to pay once for the lift ticket, not $20 every day!

[FCLinder]

Yep, we only get 1.5 hours each day for Semi/Pro practice. Maybe 2 to 3 runs if we are lucky. I want the old normal Sugar race back!!!!! Or give us more riding time!!!!! It almost better to go drive 6.5 hours to Snowshoe and get 3 days of riding in for that kind of money.....

[ridiculous]

so its $75/racer for the weekend?

[profro]

So, you are finally seeing the NORBA crap effect you.

We'll be rocking Windrock. Anyone want to throw together an ghetto, time ourselves race that weekend. Say... 3 courses, 3 combined times. Winner and loser takes home a 6 pack of PBR tall-boys.

[manimal]

Manimal... I couldn't tell if you realized this, but you only have to pay once for the lift ticket, not $20 every day!

not according to the website.

Thursday July 26
7:00am – 6:00pm Athlete registration and packet pick–up. Sugar Mountain Resort Base Lodge
8:00am – 6:00pm Lifts open to competitors and spectators. Non-competitor lift fee $8 one-time ride, $22 all day ticket. Non-pro competitor event lift fee $20.00. Pro/Semi-Pro competitor event lift fee $10.00.

Friday July 27
7:00am – 6:00pm Athlete registration and packet pick–up. Sugar Mountain Resort Base Lodge
8:00am – 6:00pm Lifts open to competitors and spectators. Non-competitor lift fee $8 one-time ride, $22 all day ticket Non-pro competitor event lift fee $20.00. Pro/Semi-Pro competitor event lift fee $10.00.

7:00am – 6:00pm Athlete registration and packet pick–up. Sugar Mountain Base Lodge
8:00am – 6:00pm Lifts open to competitors and spectators. Non-competitor lift fee $10 one-time ride, $22 all day ticket. Non-pro competitor event lift fee $20.00. Pro/Semi-Pro competitor event lift fee $10.00.

Event Lift Access Fee is $20 for non-pro's and $10 for pro and semi-pro's. Event lift access fee for Super D competitors after 1 pm on Sunday is $10.

[spoke80]

So, you are finally seeing the NORBA crap effect you.

We'll be rocking Windrock. Anyone want to throw together an ghetto, time ourselves race that weekend. Say... 3 courses, 3 combined times. Winner and loser takes home a 6 pack of PBR tall-boys.

No way, that's not racer enough for this pinner! I just got my kit waxed for posing at Sugar so you know I'll be full effect, peep my sport racer sponsors. I'll never get my cover shot on Declone racing for beer at Windrock.:biggrin:

[manimal]

i'll at least be there for DS w/ the boy but during practice i'll be rocking my anti-norba scwhag ;)

[sneakysnake]

Yeah, it's crazy expensive...that's why I'll be there to cheer on friends and watch the experts; and while they're warming up and such I'm going out and hitting up some trails around boone. So I get more time on the bike for a lot less money.

[manimal]

Yeah, it's crazy expensive...that's why I'll be there to cheer on friends and watch the experts; and while they're warming up and such I'm going out and hitting up some trails around boone. So I get more time on the bike for a lot less money.

hmmm, that sounds like a good idea :brows:

[Jeremy R]

I am going to be breaking records at Sugar Bitches!

........attendence records.
I have raced at Sugar for 11 years straight. Never missed a raced there. But this year, I am gonna be in Vegas.
Oh well, somebody pour some King Cobra off the lift for me.

[FCLinder]

Oh well, somebody pour some King Cobra off the lift for me.

I will just Throw-Up a little for you on the lift ride up for my race run for all time shakes!!!!!! :rofl:

[bizutch]

it's a 1 time fee guys. Don't agree with it.

[manimal]

ah...i see. i sent several emails to them asking for clarification but never got an answer. i'm going to try and work out some lodging stuff so i can race DH. i figure if Mike went through the trouble of making some Cycletherapy jerseys for us that i might as well go ahead and race :thumb:
sorry for my previous rants, i'm just a little bitter over the national format......i miss the old local race.

[Metal Dude]

Just got in from Sugar - whew - Juan and I spent 2.5 days of
pure work on the slalom with Eric and a couple guys there helped.
it's like 3.30 am - Course should be pretty good for the DS -
Had a good bit of dirt and plenty of compliance to let us build!
The course is estimated at 40+ seconds for PRO times!
Starts out with a short couple pedals out of the gate into a small
set of R hand berms to a small step-up to a set of L berms-
to a rock garden to R berms to a tweny five foot set of triples-
to L berms to straight to R berms to slight up hill and series of
3 open non bermed gated turns with some offcamber - to a roller
to a couple small rut berms to 3 open non bermed gated turns
with some offcamber to a set of wall berms to a quick log drop
of a foot and a half. Then a pedal straight across off camber to a set
of R hand berms to pedal straight with a little off-camber to a
Big Double-a little taller than waist high and 25+ ft. gap that is
filled in pretty well and almost as fast to roll. to a set of left hand
turns to a long off camber turn back up to the last flat gate
to couple pedals at the finish-should rock!
We worked so much we hardly rode it but, It seemed to flow
very well and seemed to be rideable for everyone-
seems like it will work out to be harder with the more speed
one would take. I will post a couple crappy phone pics later today.

[Mikedsx]

Great work! You guys rock. Wish I could take advantage of your work. I'll be there to cheer you guys on, on Sat.. Be sure to stop by the Cycletherapy spot in the pits.

[sneakysnake]

I'll stop by, walking the pits is one of my favorite things about going to the race

[spoke80]

Metal Dude NORBA does not deserve your massive effort! THANK YOU!:cheers:

[bizutch]

Hah Hah! I knew when I talked to Eric you two couldn't resist going and doing the course. So...where is the patented 180 degree "Juan whip" berm at? I assume it is at the mid-way point? It's his signature.
Good news!

[Metal Dude]

Yeah Norba may not but, it's dual slalom racing members actually do
deserve at least that, some effort. Slalom probably requires more Know how
than any other course construction. Most of the time it's just up to the
people at the resort hosting the race. Norba just says build a course pretty
much. Shows up and says ok or correct something if they see it dangerous.
So it is up to the resort to what the slalom turns out to be. Most of the

The true thanks here is to Sugar! By the fact that they gave a crap about
the slalom having some effort put into it. They ask for help from experienced
course builders and accepted any instruction from us to make that happen.
I can't say EVERYONE will think the course is awesome, but Everyone can
at least say there was effort put in and that is what I've
always wanted when I travel to a National Level event.

Butch those whip berms are in every turn! hahaha
No actually there are a couple though, We really both had alot of
input back and forth on every aspect of the course, argued some
but, tried to check and balance everything! And besides a couple small
tweaks we will try to put in Wed. before the race we feel that we hit
pretty dang close to it rolling out like we had invisioned it! It will be hard
but, fun for sure - should have a good flow for sure! Couple pics soon!

[motomike]

Chuck, I can meat you guys on wednesday to help dig if ya want. Great work, thanks bro. The mt. snow slalom course is soaking wet right now!

[Jeremy R]

Chuck, I can meat you guys on wednesday to help dig if ya want. Great work, thanks bro. The mt. snow slalom course is soaking wet right now!

Well, put your spikes on and get to slicing!
Good luck man!

[Metal Dude]

Chuck, I can meat you guys on wednesday to help dig if ya want. Great work, thanks bro. The mt. snow slalom course is soaking wet right now!

Yeah just show up at the course around 4-5pm or I can PM you and
get your phone no. - we're just going to knock it out when we get there.

Good luck bro in Mount Snow and everyone who is representing the SE

[jonnynails]

ah...i see. i sent several emails to them asking for clarification but never got an answer. i'm going to try and work out some lodging stuff so i can race DH. i figure if Mike went through the trouble of making some Cycletherapy jerseys for us that i might as well go ahead and race :thumb:
sorry for my previous rants, i'm just a little bitter over the national format......i miss the old local race.

Manimal, if there is any race you should go to it's Snowshoe if at all possible. High speed lift, tons of trails to choose from. You do runs all day until your arms fall off and get up and do it again the next day.

[frznnomad]

yo manimal if you still need a place to chill hit me up man. ive got the hook up in boone with a good friend of mine. just shoot a pm my way so i have some time to talk to him to make sure there is room man.

[FCLinder]

I am looking for floor space Friday and Sat night. Anyone?

Thanks,
Cecil