I've gone raw

[BAH]

My wife went raw food only a while ago, but I just couldn't see it. After seeing the results in her energy levels and overall health I decided that I had to at least give it a try. A couple weeks into it and I've lost 9 lbs,have crazy energy and don't crave all the crap I used to eat. She's started up a journal of interesting and tasty raw food recipes because she quickly got bored of nuts and lettuce :)

http://www.derekandsara.com/raw/


http://www.derekandsara.com/raw/photos/june2007/donut2.jpg

[pinkshirtphotos]

cool, i shoot in .nef

[jonKranked]

despite being another crazy diet, i think this one is kinda cool. so like, nothing cooked at all? do you crunch on grains of rice? are sushi and sashimi ok? whats the claimed health benefits and reasoning for it?

[LordOpie]

cool, i shoot in .nef

That's what I thought too :)

despite being another crazy diet, i think this one is kinda cool. so like, nothing cooked at all? do you crunch on grains of rice? are sushi and sashimi ok? whats the claimed health benefits and reasoning for it?
One benefit is that even healthy, organic food turns poisonous if you cook it too much.

Fried, unbattered veggies is a perfect example. Health veggie turned carcinogenic.

I still want my steak medium-rare. You listening wife?

[splat]

Nothing cooked ? then What are you going to do with that Brand New Grill ?

[BAH]

cool, i shoot in .nef

I'm out of the intreanette loop, what exactly does this mean? :nerd:

Jonkranked - I was of the exact same opinion until I saw the results.
A raw diet is just that. Everything uncooked and therefore all the original nutrients etc are still in.

Heres a bunch of info that would take me too long to type.

http://www.alissacohen.com/faqs.html


The reason she started her journal is because people assume that the options are very limited, when actually you can make some pretty tasty things using all raw food.

I'm not sure on the sushi question?

[LordOpie]

A raw diet is just that. Everything uncooked and therefore all the original nutrients etc are still in.
Keep in mind that there are some foods that benefit from cooking. Tomatos release wonderfully, useful nutrients.

Going extreme in any direction is dumb. Sorry, but it is. At least cook up some tomatos :)

[BAH]

Nothing cooked ? then What are you going to do with that Brand New Grill ?

lawn ornament?

I'm not sure. I'll probably keep it in case I have an urge to cook something, but right now I just have no desire to. That's crazy because about 3 weeks ago, I couldn't imagine I'd ever say that :shocked:

[DRB]

What happened to regular balanced diets? You know the ones that mixed combinations of foods and beverages prepared in a variety of ways?

[LordOpie]

What happened to regular balanced diets? You know the ones that mixed combinations of foods and beverages prepared in a variety of ways?
That was just a fad for thousands of years.

[BAH]

Keep in mind that there are some foods that benefit from cooking. Tomatos release wonderfully, useful nutrients.

Going extreme in any direction is dumb. Sorry, but it is. At least cook up some tomatos :)


Everyone is going to have their own opinion of course, but I feel more healthy and more energetic than I have in a long time. Don't knock it until you try it :)

[I Are Baboon]

http://www.alissacohen.com/faqs.html


By eating a raw and living food diet you will begin to turn back the hands of time. By eating a raw and living food diet, you will start to look younger and more beautiful. You could turn your hair back to its natural color and stop hair loss, You could erase wrinkles and deep creases and age spots, your circles, bags, and eye puffiness would disappear, your acne and blemishes would be gone, your teeth would be tighter and your gums would stop bleeding, and your skin would glow and your eyes would sparkle. You would notice that you look better without make-up and that you have a natural sunny blush. People eating a raw food diet are the healthiest looking people I have ever seen. They have a glow in their skin, a shine to their hair, a sparkle in their eyes, a healthy, fit, body, and look younger then their age. They have a youthful energy and they feel good about themselves and happy to be alive!


:think:

[jonKranked]

sushi (sashimi specifically) is just a cut of raw fish. no rice, no seaweed. and boy is it delicious

[BAH]

What happened to regular balanced diets? You know the ones that mixed combinations of foods and beverages prepared in a variety of ways?

That's the whole point of her blog sir.

cheesecake

http://www.derekandsara.com/photos/june2007/dessert.jpg


Breakfast scramble

http://www.derekandsara.com/raw/photos/june2007/food.jpg

[Westy]

I'm on an FDPM diet. I will only eat food that is frozen double packaged and microwaved. Frozen burritos are a good example, just not the frozen burritos that come in a big bag. They must be individually wrapped and come in some other larger package.

[DRB]

By eating a raw and living food diet you will begin to turn back the hands of time. By eating a raw and living food diet, you will start to look younger and more beautiful. You could turn your hair back to its natural color and stop hair loss, You could erase wrinkles and deep creases and age spots, your circles, bags, and eye puffiness would disappear, your acne and blemishes would be gone, your teeth would be tighter and your gums would stop bleeding, and your skin would glow and your eyes would sparkle. You would notice that you look better without make-up and that you have a natural sunny blush. People eating a raw food diet are the healthiest looking people I have ever seen. They have a glow in their skin, a shine to their hair, a sparkle in their eyes, a healthy, fit, body, and look younger then their age. They have a youthful energy and they feel good about themselves and happy to be alive!


:think:

oh jesus....

[narlus]

are there raw eggs in that scramble?

[loco-gringo]

I swear that hippies and Al Sharpton are gonna be the death of us all. :think:

[BAH]

I'm on an FDPM diet. I will only eat food that is frozen double packaged and microwaved. Frozen burritos are a good example, just not the frozen burritos that come in a big bag. They must be individually wrapped and come in some other larger package.

haha to each his own of course :D


I'm not here preaching- do whatever you feel is best for you. Like I said, I used to feel/eat the same way. It was only 3 weeks ago that I was excited about and cooking up lots of stuff on the new grill.

http://www.bikerubbish.com/food/xtracycle/images/gallery/wedding4.jpg

Eating the food she has been preparing has made quite a difference in both our lives, and I don't have to force it down, I look forward to eating it, so I'm sticking to it.

[loco-gringo]

<snip>

http://www.bikerubbish.com/food/xtracycle/images/gallery/wedding4.jpg

Eating the food she has been preparing has made quite a difference in both our lives, and I don't have to force it down, I look forward to eating it, so I'm sticking to it.

I would, totally, not have to force that down. Hippie. :D

[BAH]

are there raw eggs in that scramble?

no, thats just tumeric for colour

Mix in food processor:
1 C almonds
1/2 C sunflower seeds
1 t tumeric
1/2 C water
1/4 t sea salt

stir in:
1/4 C cilantro
1/2 C diced tomatoes
2 T scallions
scoop on top of spinach leaves w/
Pinch of black pepper.

[stosh]

I'm on an FDPM diet. I will only eat food that is frozen double packaged and microwaved. Frozen burritos are a good example, just not the frozen burritos that come in a big bag. They must be individually wrapped and come in some other larger package.

Quality!

[-dustin]

ever thought about moving to Austin?

[narlus]

a diet w/o swine is no diet i'd ever partake in.

[SkaredShtles]

a diet w/o swine is no diet i'd ever partake in.
I think lardo and prosciutto count as "raw"... don't they? :think:

[jdschall]

I'm on an FDPM diet. I will only eat food that is frozen double packaged and microwaved. Frozen burritos are a good example, just not the frozen burritos that come in a big bag. They must be individually wrapped and come in some other larger package.


Twinkies. They come in a box and are individually wrapped, although I have never attempted to microwave them. I think the British deep fry them though. They'll deep fry anything. Mmmm. Deep fried Twinkie.

I'm with DRB. Seems like a balanced diet is the way to go. Some raw veg, a little meat and dairy here and there, whole grains.

LO is right, lots of foods benefit from cooking and release nutrients that you wouldn't otherwise get in the raw form. But then again, I'm sure you've done your research and have weighed the pros and cons before jumping into this...

[LordOpie]

But then again, I'm sure you've done your research and have weighed the pros and cons before jumping into this...[/QUOTE]

I just don't understand why people wouldn't cook up just those foods.

[JohnE]

I never cook my Cap'n Crunch. :busted:

[MMcG]

I fed my dogs a Bones and Raw Food diet and they did very well on it.

What do you eat for meat with this type of diet though? Raw beef? or just lots of raw fish?

[narlus]

I think lardo and prosciutto count as "raw"... don't they? :think:

A raw diet is just that. Everything uncooked and therefore all the original nutrients etc are still in.

well, i'm not sure where curing lies on the raw food continuum.

but screw it, i'm talking ribs.

[jonKranked]

what about stuff where putting it in certain citrus juices or other things where the acid of the juice cooks the food? ( i know this works for certain kinds of fish)

[BAH]

Twinkies. They come in a box and are individually wrapped, although I have never attempted to microwave them. I think the British deep fry them though. They'll deep fry anything. Mmmm. Deep fried Twinkie.

I'm with DRB. Seems like a balanced diet is the way to go. Some raw veg, a little meat and dairy here and there, whole grains.

LO is right, lots of foods benefit from cooking and release nutrients that you wouldn't otherwise get in the raw form. But then again, I'm sure you've done your research and have weighed the pros and cons before jumping into this...

Are you just saying that because you think it or because you know it? Name some foods and the nutrients that come out when cooked that we can't otherwise get with raw food.

I haven't done an exhaustive study as we've only been at it for a relatively short time, but as they say - you can't argue with results. You can debate me until you are blue in the face, but I see too many good results here to change my thinking at this point.

[BAH]

I never cook my Cap'n Crunch. :busted:


You are on your way already:weee:

[BAH]

I fed my dogs a Bones and Raw Food diet and they did very well on it.

What do you eat for meat with this type of diet though? Raw beef? or just lots of raw fish?

Trying to avoid meat at this point. I myself have doubts about avoiding meat totally, but as I've said before, I can't argue with the results. Given more time, we will see how this plays out. I can say that I don't miss meat though, as much as I used to love it. The thought of eating something that heavy isn't appealing anymore at all.
:confused:

[narlus]

You can debate me until you are blue in the face, but I see too many good results here to change my thinking at this point.

http://images17.fotki.com/v349/photos/6/650190/2314838/IMG_6013-vi.jpg



:brows: :rockout:

none of this for you, right?
:popcorn:

[LordOpie]

Are you just saying that because you think it or because you know it?

Tomatoes release more of the cancer fighting lycopene when cooked. -And- your body is able to absorb/utilize more lycopene from the cooking process.
link (http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/ng.asp?id=43832-tomatoes-cooked-better)


I don't think people want you to stop what you're doing, they're just saying that if you cook the foods that benefit from cooking, that you'll be even more successful.

[TN]

lawn ornament?

I'm not sure. I'll probably keep it in case I have an urge to cook something, but right now I just have no desire to. That's crazy because about 3 weeks ago, I couldn't imagine I'd ever say that :shocked:

do yall go out to eat much (& not just to restaurants but friends & families houses fo rdinner & such)?

if so how do you handle it? bring your own?

it sounds interesting.

[BAH]

Tomatoes release more of the cancer fighting lycopene when cooked. -And- your body is able to absorb/utilize more lycopene from the cooking process.
link (http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/ng.asp?id=43832-tomatoes-cooked-better)


I don't think people want you to stop what you're doing, they're just saying that if you cook the foods that benefit from cooking, that you'll be even more successful.

I wasn't being defensive with the question, I asked because I wanted to know :) I don't pretend to know everything, so if someone gets on here and makes a statement like that, I want to know if it's accurate or if they are just blowing smoke. Thanks for the link I will check it out!

edit: the article does also admit that the tomatoes lose nutrients when cooked.
This is one instance where cooking brings out good, JDschall mentioned that there were a lot. I'd like to know what they are as well :)

[I Are Baboon]

This means popcorn is off limits? :(


:popcorn:

[MMcG]

what about Beer - can you drink beer? :homer:

[BAH]

do yall go out to eat much (& not just to restaurants but friends & families houses fo rdinner & such)?

if so how do you handle it? bring your own?

it sounds interesting.

We haven't been out to eat(restaurant) since starting this food plan, but used to quite a bit. The following sounds really hokey and suspect I will admit, but it is the truth. After a little while on this plan, nothing that our normal haunts prepare sound good at all.

As far as eating with friends and family, we will eat whatever is there, just enough to be polite. Most know what we are doing though, and there is usually some kind of option.

Sara has always had a sensitive stomach and after all kinds of tests at the doc, just came to the conclusion that she just had to eat really bland foods. She has experimented with a few diets, but when she started the raw food thing, they have totally cleared up. She hasn't had a stomach ache since.(except for once after eating out with friends)



The biggest factor is boredom. That's what she ran up against pretty quickly and found that with some creativity and looking around there are lots of great meals that can be prepared using all raw ingredients. She started the journal so that she could share that with others who may face the same problem :)

[syadasti]

JDschall mentioned that there were a lot. I'd like to know what they are as well :)

Lots of leafy green are detrimental to you uncooked:

http://www.answers.com/topic/oxalic-acid

A poisonous, colorless crystalline organic acid, HOOCCOOH·2H2O, found in many plants, such as spinach, and used as a bleach and rust remover.

...

This acid occurs in many plants and is poisonous in excessive amounts. Some of the plants that contain a measurable amount of oxalic acid are sorrel, spinach and rhubarb. Because it forms insoluble compounds with calcium and iron, inhibiting their absorption by the human body, oxalic acid greatly diminishes the purported nutritional punch of spinach.

...

Occurrence in nature

Oxalic acid and oxalates are abundantly present in many plants, most notably fat hen (lamb's quarters) and sorrel. The root and/or leaves of rhubarb and buckwheat are listed being high in oxalic acid.[citation needed]

Foods that are edible, but that still contain significant concentrations of oxalic acid include - in decreasing order - star fruit (carambola), black pepper, parsley, poppy seed, rhubarb stalks, amaranth, spinach, chard, beets, cocoa, chocolate, most nuts, most berries, and beans. The gritty “mouth feel” one experiences when drinking milk with a rhubarb dessert is caused by precipitation of calcium oxalate. Thus even dilute amounts of oxalic acid can readily "crack" the casein found in various dairy products.

Leaves of the tea plant (Camellia sinensis) are known to contain among the greatest measured concentrations of oxalic acid relative to other plants. However the infusion beverage typically contains only low to moderate amounts of oxalic acid per serving, due to the small mass of leaves used for brewing.

Bodily oxalic acid may also be synthesized via the metabolism of either glyoxylic acid or unused ascorbic acid (vitamin C), which is a serious health consideration for long term "megadosers" of vitamin C supplements. 80% of kidney stones are formed from calcium oxalate.[5]

Some Aspergillus species produce oxalic acid, which reacts with blood or tissue calcium to precipitate calcium oxalate.[6] There is some preliminary evidence that the administration of probiotics can affect oxalic acid excretion rates[7] (and presumably oxalic acid levels as well.) Oxalic acid can also be present in the body due to the consumption of ethylene glycol ("antifreeze"), which is metabolized into oxalic acid. They are also used in anti-cancer drugs in oxaliplatin, where the leaving group attached to the platinum is an oxalic acid.

[BAH]

http://images17.fotki.com/v349/photos/6/650190/2314838/IMG_6013-vi.jpg



:brows: :rockout:

none of this for you, right?
:popcorn:


Totally not interested anymore.

This is the stuff I was cooking on the grill and loving it, but just not appealing anymore.

http://www.bikerubbish.com/food/xtracycle/images/gallery/wedding7.jpg

http://www.bikerubbish.com/food/xtracycle/images/gallery/wedding2.jpg

http://www.bikerubbish.com/food/xtracycle/images/gallery/wedding3.jpg

[valve bouncer]

sushi (sashimi specifically) is just a cut of raw fish. no rice, no seaweed. and boy is it delicious
Sushi, by definition, includes rice. Sashimi is a seperate dish. At least in Japan, may have come to mean something different where you are.
Sashimi doesn't have to be fish or even seafood. Beef sashimi is quite good. Local supermarket sells horse sashimi (called basashi), looks good but I've yet to try it.

[TN]

The biggest factor is boredom. That's what she ran up against pretty quickly and found that with some creativity and looking around there are lots of great meals that can be prepared using all raw ingredients. She started the journal so that she could share that with others who may face the same problem :)


I have the blog bookmarked & will definitely be checking in.

[BAH]

Lots of leafy green are detrimental to you uncooked:

http://www.answers.com/topic/oxalic-acid

good info, thanks. I do notice that it says in the first sentence
"This acid occurs in many plants and is poisonous in excessive amounts"
You can probably say the same thing about parts that make up just about anything edible.

When blending greens etc in smoothies, its just a few leaves so I'm not real worried about it. Sara's stomach is so sensitive, I'm sure if there were a problem she would be the first to know. As I've said before though, it's hard to argue with the results...

[narlus]

so is this thread destined for the food forum, or the political forum? ;)

more power to ya, derek; i could never take on such a direction personally.

good question re: beer - does the heating of the mash constitute cooking?

[TreeSaw]

a diet w/o swine is no diet i'd ever partake in.

:stupid: I do love bacon! :drool:

[TreeSaw]

so is this thread destined for the food forum, or the political forum? ;)

more power to ya, derek; i could never take on such a direction personally.

good question re: beer - does the heating of the mash constitute cooking?

Oh boy...no bacon & the possibility of no beer :dead:

[Snacks]

Very cool! The 'raw apple pie' looks yummy :D

[TreeSaw]

Totally not interested anymore.

This is the stuff I was cooking on the grill and loving it, but just not appealing anymore.

http://www.bikerubbish.com/food/xtracycle/images/gallery/wedding7.jpg

http://www.bikerubbish.com/food/xtracycle/images/gallery/wedding2.jpg

http://www.bikerubbish.com/food/xtracycle/images/gallery/wedding3.jpg

Bacon wrapped scallops don't interest you anymore :confused:

;)

[DRB]

Just do research on nutrients that you need that this diet is not providing you. Zinc, calcium and B12 come to mind right off the bat.

[jimmydean]

My wife and I did some raw stuff early on after the birth of our daughter. We both became more gassy than the baby and i could clear out a room in minutes.

A lot of what we eat is natural, but not raw. We also grow a lot of our own veggies.

If I could ever grow a pork tree, I would be set.

[BAH]

Just do research on nutrients that you need that this diet is not providing you. Zinc, calcium and B12 come to mind right off the bat.

Green pumpkin seeds and napa cabbages are two of the best sources of zinc. Other foods containing zinc in smaller amounts are sesame seeds, cashews, zucchini, spinach, asparagus,
tangerines, berries, and avocados.

Calcium- are you serious? Too many to list

B-12 is legitimate - Supplement takes care of that, or occasionally breaking the raw food rule. We aren't complete radicals you know :)

[BAH]

so is this thread destined for the food forum, or the political forum? ;)

more power to ya, derek; i could never take on such a direction personally.

good question re: beer - does the heating of the mash constitute cooking?

It's a good thing you said that, I was thinking of calling Norman and telling him to take you off his list:busted:

I'm not sure on the beer. Neither one of us have a taste for it anyway. I can drink it or just as easily leave it alone

[BAH]

My wife and I did some raw stuff early on after the birth of our daughter. We both became more gassy than the baby and i could clear out a room in minutes.

A lot of what we eat is natural, but not raw. We also grow a lot of our own veggies.

If I could ever grow a pork tree, I would be set.

I think this happens anytime that you change your diet :)

[Jeremy R]

My wife and I did some raw stuff early on after the birth of our daughter.

You are supposed to wait 6 weeks.

[BAH]

Bacon wrapped scallops don't interest you anymore :confused:

;)

Not really. I mean I would eat it if set in front of me, but the thought of it doesn't make me go crazy like it used to- I believe the term is meh :busted:

[narlus]

You are supposed to wait 6 weeks.

:twitch:

[jdschall]

Hey Bah,

I didn't mean to sound argumentative. If it makes you feel good, that's terrific. Then again, I look at that bacon wrapped shrimp and then ask myself wtf are you thinking, but hey that's just me.

A quick google turned this up: http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1a.shtml It looks pretty informative and thorough. It actually cites real scientific research studies, not pseudoscience. (a big pet peeve of mine) It is biased towards going raw but the reviewer does indicate it's not a black and white subject. Perhaps it's a relatively balanced fact sheet. I'd give it a read if I were you.

[BAH]

Hey Bah,

I didn't mean to sound argumentative. If it makes you feel good, that's terrific. Then again, I look at that bacon wrapped shrimp and then ask myself wtf are you thinking, but hey that's just me.

A quick google turned this up: http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1a.shtml It looks pretty informative and thorough. It actually cites real scientific research studies, not pseudoscience. (a big pet peeve of mine) It is biased towards going raw but the reviewer does indicate it's not a black and white subject. Perhaps it's a relatively balanced fact sheet. I'd give it a read if I were you.

Thanks for the link, I will definitely check it out.

This diet isn't any kind of political/animal cruelty/cultish/etc etc thing. I'm not saying I will never eat anything cooked again or that I will blindly go eating everything raw in sight, especially when there are informative pieces that state that cooked is better in some situations. I'm a bit more open minded than that :busted:

This is just something that we came across and we have had some undeniably fantastic results.

[DRB]

Hey Bah,

I didn't mean to sound argumentative. If it makes you feel good, that's terrific. Then again, I look at that bacon wrapped shrimp and then ask myself wtf are you thinking, but hey that's just me.

A quick google turned this up: http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1a.shtml It looks pretty informative and thorough. It actually cites real scientific research studies, not pseudoscience. (a big pet peeve of mine) It is biased towards going raw but the reviewer does indicate it's not a black and white subject. Perhaps it's a relatively balanced fact sheet. I'd give it a read if I were you.

and

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/cal-par/calorie-paradox1a.shtml

[jdschall]

and

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/cal-par/calorie-paradox1a.shtml

Well, that would explain why, of the three or four long time raw diet people I've met, two or three of them looked like they had recently escaped from a concentration camp...

[Silver]

Giving those green beans a bath in boiling salted water also helps to kill things that aren't so good for you. No one ever got e.coli from a properly roasted chicken...

[H8R]

What about toast? You have to eat toast. People die without toast.

[DRB]

What about toast? You have to eat toast. People die without toast.

at least whore baby isn't bad raw....

[jdschall]

at least whore baby isn't bad raw....

smeared on toast of course.

[jonKranked]

I just noticed my title got changed.... Put It In More Bacon.... I like it :D

[rustywoodstone]

Nothing cooked ? then What are you going to do with that Brand New Grill ?

He could use it to collect dog poop and make a compost?

[DRB]

I just noticed my title got changed.... Put It In More Bacon.... I like it :D

That's awesome.

[Westy]

at least whore baby isn't bad raw....


Even better live, you just neet to put plastic down or eat outside in case you get a gusher.

[DRB]

Even better live, you just neet to put plastic down or eat outside in case you get a gusher.

When the juices run down your arms and drip off your elbows..... that's good eats.

[narlus]

i can't imagine nutrition w/o bones.

[jonKranked]

i can't imagine nutrition w/o bones.

or non lesbian pr0n

[SkaredShtles]

what about Beer - can you drink beer? :homer:
Nope. That $hit's cooked.

[Serial Midget]

I've become fat, lazy and lack energy... I think I will give it a try. I need to go shopping anyway. :monkey:

[OGRipper]

I was thinking of changing too but then I saw those friggin' great pics and now I'm craving grilled seafood and bacon.

Good for you man, I'll never understand why people care so much about what other people eat - as long as you're not a crusader trying to convert the masses, go for it.

[Knuckleslammer]

These diets are great. Great for people that can hire someone to go out and find all the ingredients for all the recipes and then prepare them. For the average working stiff (all y'all) fuggeddabout it. You'll do it for a week and it's back to the boxed sh*t we're accustomed to.
I can barely bring myself to make raw fresh carrot juice 2x a week now. But the raw diet does work. You'll have chi that you thought not possible. However this means about 2 hours of work per day after WORK, preparing the crap. GOT TIME?

kNuCkLe

[H8R]

Raw bacon diet. Everyone wins.

[Knuckleslammer]

Here's what drives me INSANE about this stuff. Ok, take the first recipe I noticed.

Here are the ingredients

1/2 cup of Blueberries
1/2 Mango
2 Bananas
1 date for extra sweetness
3 leaves of Rainbow Chard and Kale (They are big)
about a cup of water

Chard and Kale???????? DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW MANY HOURS IT WOULD TAKE TO FIND THAT STUFF?

For the average Joe, this diet is impossible.

[narlus]

dude, i eat chard all the time. it's not like it's some exotic plant only grown in madagascar.

[Knuckleslammer]

yeah, you probably have a whole foods near you. I live in Worse ter. Picture a barren wasteland, like the surface of the moon.

[narlus]

i don't shop @ whole foods. stop and shop.

[Toshi]

Hey Bah,

I didn't mean to sound argumentative. If it makes you feel good, that's terrific. Then again, I look at that bacon wrapped shrimp and then ask myself wtf are you thinking, but hey that's just me.

A quick google turned this up: http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1a.shtml It looks pretty informative and thorough. It actually cites real scientific research studies, not pseudoscience. (a big pet peeve of mine) It is biased towards going raw but the reviewer does indicate it's not a black and white subject. Perhaps it's a relatively balanced fact sheet. I'd give it a read if I were you.
nice find. apparently the pseudoscience and mysticism run strong in the raw community.

incidentally, one of my friends went "raw", and looks (by my estimation) and feels (by hers) to be healthy. we'll see if she keeps it up -- living up to a religion's expectations is hard work. :twitch:

[Serial Midget]

Chard and Kale???????? DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW MANY HOURS IT WOULD TAKE TO FIND THAT STUFF?

For the average Joe, this diet is impossible.

Fred Meyers & Safeway offer both...

[JRogers]

Meh. I admire the effort, but I figure that there's a reason that humans started cooking food.

[Knuckleslammer]

http://www.zenreich.com/ZenWeb/images/porkribs2.jpg

[laura]

yeah, you probably have a whole foods near you. I live in Worse ter. Picture a barren wasteland, like the surface of the moon.

If we've got it in memphis, you've got it there. Kind of uptight about it all, being the non-conformist that you are.

[vtjim]

Here's what drives me INSANE about this stuff. Ok, take the first recipe I noticed.

Here are the ingredients

1/2 cup of Blueberries
1/2 Mango
2 Bananas
1 date for extra sweetness
3 leaves of Rainbow Chard and Kale (They are big)
about a cup of water

Chard and Kale???????? DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW MANY HOURS IT WOULD TAKE TO FIND THAT STUFF?

For the average Joe, this diet is impossible.


Um, you can get that stuff at any grocery store. They're called vegies. they're in the vegie isle.

And either my wife or I cook every night. Doesn't take two hours. I refuse to eat boxed crap for dinner, I need a real meal. Cooking normal food or prepparing the odd diets on this forum take the same amount of time.

[Knuckleslammer]

Yeah, I'm all about veggies, each night when I get home I mix up carrots, broccoli, celery, tomatos, peppers, green beans in a blender with a little bit of water then consume. Butcher way to eat vegetables but the process of chewing them is quite cumbersome. I don't enjoy vegetables, but do eat them. I make about 14 8oz glasses of fresh organic carrot juice per week, that's about 3 5lb bags of carrots per week. I juice them with my green power masticating juicer and store them in ball jars. They stay bright orange in the fridge for several days as there is no o2 in the jars. I have not had a cold in 3 years, except for a month ago. However, I had been lazy and not made any for about a month.

The problem with these diets is all the little ingredients / spices, which make it very difficult. I was a vegetarian for several months. I can't seem to get off the ribs though. :think:

I've never heard of chard or the other one though. I would like to try this though as I'm constantly starving. Today I've had 1 banana, 5 prunes, 1 organic apple sause, 1 cup straight oat meal with cold water, PB+J sandwich, red potatos baked with garlic and olive oil, mmmmm , protein bar, kashi pumpkin spice granola bars and I'm still frign starving. WTF?

[vtjim]

Yeah, I'm all about veggies, each night when I get home I mix up carrots, broccoli, celery, tomatos, peppers, green beans in a blender with a little bit of water then consume. Butcher way to eat vegetables but the process of chewing them is quite cumbersome. I don't enjoy vegetables, but do eat them. I make about 14 8oz glasses of fresh organic carrot juice per week, that's about 3 5lb bags with my green power masticating juicer. I have not had a cold in 3 years, except for a month ago. However, I had been lazy and not made any for about a month.

The problem with these diets is all the little ingredients / spices, which make it very difficult. I was a vegetarian for several months. I can't seem to get off the ribs though. :think:

I've never heard of chard or the other one though. I would like to try this though as I'm constantly starving. Today I've had 1 banana, 5 prunes, 1 organic apple sause, 1 cup straight oat meal with cold water, PB+J sandwich, red potatos baked with garlic and olive oil, mmmmm , protein bar, kashi pumpkin spice granola bars and I'm still frign starving. WTF?


Well it sounds like you have a better diet than me; my only point is that I think it takes the same amount of time to cook recipes throughout the spectrum of diets.

Oh, and don't try chard or kale - they taste exactly like the sound: gross.

[DRB]

I've never heard of chard or the other one though. I would like to try this though as I'm constantly starving. Today I've had 1 banana, 5 prunes, 1 organic apple sause, 1 cup straight oat meal with cold water, PB+J sandwich, red potatos baked with garlic and olive oil, mmmmm , protein bar, kashi pumpkin spice granola bars and I'm still frign starving. WTF?


all that angry takes up a lot of energy... :)

[Westy]

I'd like to eat more fresh raw food but the only fresh items the local grocery store offers are fruit flies. I could drive 20 minutes each way to a whole foods but I consider the additional hours canned up in the car to be less healthy than the crap I eat.

[Knuckleslammer]

all that angry takes up a lot of energy... :)


YES, you are right. I burn calories when I think. I do all the **** @ my house too. Vacuum, cat box, lawn, laundry. My wife gets to do pretty much nothing. But she's pregnant.

[OGRipper]

Knuck I hear what you're saying but chard is pretty common, you probably see it all the time and don't know what it is.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Swiss_Chard.jpg/240px-Swiss_Chard.jpg

[Red Rabbit]

To avoid going raw use a little lotion or KY, it helps out.

[vtjim]

I'd like to eat more fresh raw food but the only fresh items the local grocery store offers are fruit flies. I could drive 20 minutes each way to a whole foods but I consider the additional hours canned up in the car to be less healthy than the crap I eat.

I count myself among the very very lucky; I live less than a mile from a Whole foods.

[Serial Midget]

The closest Whole Foods I can find is 50 miles away in tech suburbs of Seattle. Fortunately I recently moved to Tumwater (south of Olympia, WA) which is full of greeners. On a recent 10 mile bike ride I passed 3 or 4 different organic farms who sell to the public...

I don't mind chard but kale tastes like poo. When I was going to school I worked as a breakfast cook at a restaurant called Greens in Denver. I cooked lots of tofu, kale & macrobiotic crap for the local hippie population. It wasn't half bad - I guess vitamin K is good for you.

[vtjim]

All around Whole Foods is a great grocery store, if a bit on the spendy side. But my favorite thing to get from them is meat and fish. The freshest around. All there meat is certified organic, no additives, steroids, hormones etc etc.

I love that place.

[DHS]

I'm on an FDPM diet. I will only eat food that is frozen double packaged and microwaved. Frozen burritos are a good example, just not the frozen burritos that come in a big bag. They must be individually wrapped and come in some other larger package.

wow me too

[BurlyShirley]

I guess this would explain why those pre-fire hominids had such longer lifespans that modern humans. :monkey:

...Part of what made humans so successful was that they could get the most calories and nutrients from their diets by cooking them...making them easier to digest and use by the body. I can see why not cooking things would make you lose weight, because it makes your body work harder and denies you maximum efficiency of your food.

[SkaredShtles]

Here's what drives me INSANE about this stuff. Ok, take the first recipe I noticed.

Here are the ingredients

1/2 cup of Blueberries
1/2 Mango
2 Bananas
1 date for extra sweetness
3 leaves of Rainbow Chard and Kale (They are big)
about a cup of water

Chard and Kale???????? DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW MANY HOURS IT WOULD TAKE TO FIND THAT STUFF?

For the average Joe, this diet is impossible.
I have kale growing on my terrace... :think:

You want some?

[Red Rabbit]

I guess this would explain why those pre-fire hominids had such longer lifespans that modern humans. :monkey:

...Part of what made humans so successful was that they could get the most calories and nutrients from their diets by cooking them...making them easier to digest and use by the body. I can see why not cooking things would make you lose weight, because it makes your body work harder and denies you maximum efficiency of your food.

Your smart. can I be like you someday?

[Westy]

I guess this would explain why those pre-fire hominids had such longer lifespans that modern humans. :monkey:

...Part of what made humans so successful was that they could get the most calories and nutrients from their diets by cooking them...making them easier to digest and use by the body. I can see why not cooking things would make you lose weight, because it makes your body work harder and denies you maximum efficiency of your food.


Uunnnnng FIRE GOOD.

[BurlyShirley]

Your smart. can I be like you someday?

Maybe if your testicles quadruple in size and number.

[vtjim]

Maybe if your testicles quadruple in size and number.


Either Red Rabbit has negative balls or you are quite a man.

[Westy]

Either Red Rabbit has negative balls or you are quite a man.


Burly just likes to castrate hobos in his free time.

[H8R]

Knuck I hear what you're saying but chard is pretty common, you probably see it all the time and don't know what it is.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Swiss_Chard.jpg/240px-Swiss_Chard.jpg

Word of warning: chard will take over your garden if left to it's own.

[H8R]

I've never heard of chard or the other one though.

Chard is everywhere. Like at every grocery store produce section. Ever.

Kale is a great source of calcium. Look for it next to chard (which is everywhere)

[BAH]

The nice thing about smoothies( I recommend a vita mix- spendy but so worth it) is that you can throw all sorts of nasty tasting stuff in there and never know it. Just put enough natural sweet in there(blueberries,strawberries,dates,blackberries etc etc) to overpower the taste. I recently tasted one of the best smoothies I have ever had and Sara had put in cabbage and beets- two veggies that I hate, but she wanted to see if I tasted them.
The trick apparently is to put in 60ish percent fruit and 40ish percent greenish things

Knuckleslammer- you could substitue Kale or Chard for lettuce/cabbage/etc The point is to just put in something that has lotsa nutrients in it. It's much easier to throw that stuff in a blender and then drink it than to get something out of it's packaging, get out a plate, microwave it, eat it and then have to clean the plate, throw away the garbage etc ;)

Toshi- there is a lot of mysticism/religious/karmic that goes along with it, but it's the same as yoga. Leave all that out and it's still a really good thing for your body.(when I say your, I mean us in our particular circumstance. I don't mean to tell anyone what is good for them)

It is interesting to note that where I buy this stuff(local co-op) that 70 percent of the people I see in there don't look super healthy.

As has been mentioned, I think that taking strict raw veganism long term isn't a good idea. However, for now it has had great results and we will stick to that as long as it continues to give them, being willing and open to read and listen to other information as well :)

[BAH]

I guess this would explain why those pre-fire hominids had such longer lifespans that modern humans. :monkey:

...Part of what made humans so successful was that they could get the most calories and nutrients from their diets by cooking them...making them easier to digest and use by the body. I can see why not cooking things would make you lose weight, because it makes your body work harder and denies you maximum efficiency of your food.

hahaha It might also be that we don't live caves and have saber tooth tigers roaming the streets...

I have no argument for your second paragraph. You might be brilliant or a complete idiot, I don't know enough about it yet to make judgement:busted:

[H8R]

It is interesting to note that where I buy this stuff(local co-op) that 70 percent of the people I see in there don't look super healthy.


Yep. I think alot of people that shop at co-ops and health food stores go to one extreme in diet and then don't back it up with exercise, healthy living, etc. You need a balance.

I've known alot of vegans that smoke and drink too much. They look like hell.

[H8R]

You might be brilliant or a complete idiot

Perfect description of BS.

[BurlyShirley]

hahaha It might also be that we don't live caves and have saber tooth tigers roaming the streets...

I have no argument for your second paragraph. You might be brilliant or a complete idiot, I don't know enough about it yet to make judgement:busted:

Well part of the reason we dont live in caves is because eating cooked food maximized nutritional potential from food and allowed early humans to become much smarter. They became better hunters, built better shelters, etc. A theory suggests that fire (and cooked food that come from it) is really what seperated humans from regular animals way back when.
It's not my theory.

[BAH]

snip- However this means about 2 hours of work per day after WORK, preparing the crap. GOT TIME?

kNuCkLe

Not at all. It takes a little planning at first, but once you get used to it(just like you're used to the boxed stuff) It's easier because there isn't much preparation. Its all raw and needs none. It's just a matter of throwing it together mostly.


Some of the recipes can get involved, but just like cooked stuff, you do that when you have time. Other times you just throw a bunch of stuff in a blender and you are set.


Again, I'm not pushing this on anyone. Just replying to comments made

[H8R]

I like the recipes on that show Man vs Wild:


Grab fish
Break fish
Eat fish


Or:


Smoke bees
Grab honey
Run like fvck

[BAH]

Well part of the reason we dont live in caves is because eating cooked food maximized nutritional potential from food and allowed early humans to become much smarter. They became better hunters, built better shelters, etc. A theory suggests that fire (and cooked food that come from it) is really what seperated humans from regular animals way back when.
It's not my theory.

I see. Well if my choice comes down to lots of energy and feeling really good but getting stupid or feeling sluggish but getting smarter I'm going to stick to this diet for a while. Photographers don't need brain power anyway:weee:

[OGRipper]

I'm not pushing this on anyone.


Stop judging me!! I can't take it anymore you friggin' crusader!!!!

:D

[OGRipper]

Well part of the reason we dont live in caves is because eating cooked food maximized nutritional potential from food and allowed early humans to become much smarter. They became better hunters, built better shelters, etc. A theory suggests that fire (and cooked food that come from it) is really what seperated humans from regular animals way back when.
It's not my theory.

No, stupid, it's because Gawd made us better than regular animals.

:disgust1:

[BAH]

I was thinking of changing too but then I saw those friggin' great pics and now I'm craving grilled seafood and bacon.

Good for you man, I'll never understand why people care so much about what other people eat - as long as you're not a crusader trying to convert the masses, go for it.

haha if I was a crusader I'd suck at it. I almost had you.....

[stevew]

I don't care what you do or don't eat, just keep taking and posting pictures.

[Knuckleslammer]

Not at all. It takes a little planning at first, but once you get used to it(just like you're used to the boxed stuff) It's easier because there isn't much preparation. Its all raw and needs none. It's just a matter of throwing it together mostly.


Some of the recipes can get involved, but just like cooked stuff, you do that when you have time. Other times you just throw a bunch of stuff in a blender and you are set.


Again, I'm not pushing this on anyone. Just replying to comments made

I hear you pal. The carrot juice was a nightmare at first. Imagine chopping the ends off and peeling 15 lbs of carrots, then making juice. The whole process took about 2 hours till I figured it out. I no longer peel the carrots but just rinse them good and scrub the dirtae ones. They grow in dirt, dirt is good for you right? I cut the ends off and rinse them. Screw it. I've been doing that for 3 years and have not had 1 cold, since this winter. I made some carrot juice and kicked its ass in 2 days as well as some other stuff I do, like using a micro electricity germ killer. That's a whole another thread in itself.

I have a juicer called the green power 3000. It's expensive, but it's the last damn juicer you'll ever buy. You can clean the thing in under 5 minutes too and let the parts air dry. The last juicer I had was a Jack Lelane (sp?) and the thing took 1/2 hour to clean. The last time I used it, I threw it in the rubbish because I did not want to clean the cheap ass Walmart POFS. With the Green Power Juicer, the hardest part is scrubbing the screen. You put the juice in ball jars, spilling over the top. When you put the cap on, it's sealed tight with no oxygen. I compared a can of my 4 day old juice in a clear glass compared to a thing of odewalla poor excuse for carrot juice. Basically mine was bright orange, the odewalla was brown.

Heres something I read today that really did it for me. This story is truely inspiring. I'm just like this guy, less the muscle :D
I'm 36, I'm 6'0, 175 and think I'm in good shape. I can swim 4 times back an forth underwater in a regular swimming pool and I smoke. However I feel like absolute GARBAGE all the time. I work out and my body aches constantly. This should not be @ 36 years old. The only reason for this is my sh*t diet and smoking.

I'm starting a 30 day juice fast after my 3 week vacation down the cape in July. This sh*t has got to stop. Thanks Derek for posting this.

Check this guy out. Awesome stuff.

http://www.thegardendiet.com/shannon.html

[TroutBum]

He could use it to collect dog poop and make a compost?
Stash the cam and peruse the sh*tty neighbors.

[MtnBikerChk]

...wait wait wait - I read this thread quickly - so no protein and low carbs (natural sugars in fruits and fiber in green leefy things)? No wonder you've lost weight :shocked:

[H8R]

I made some carrot juice and kicked its ass in 2 days as well as some other stuff I do, like using a micro electricity germ killer. That's a whole another thread in itself.

Hmm. Do tell.

[Serial Midget]

OK. So I pedaled off to Costco and filled my Yak trailer with 70 LBS of avocado, tomato, celery, carrots, spinach, sweet peppers, walnuts, almonds, pine nuts, cashews, and 4 kinds of cheese. I'm not sure if cheese is cooked but I'll need some protein.

For dinner I chopped up carrots, broccoli and 3 kinds of nuts in the food processor. It tastes good as is so I ate about 1/2 cup of that. Then I chopped some onions 1/2 a pound of spinach, some garlic and fresh basil. I mixed that up with tomatoes, mushrooms, sweet peppers, celery and balsamic vinegar. Topped with fresh grated ramano cheese.

Probably about 1/2 the calories I normally eat but I cant get anything else down. Too full.

[BAH]

OK. So I pedaled off to Costco and filled my Yak trailer with 70 LBS of avocado, tomato, celery, carrots, spinach, sweet peppers, walnuts, almonds, pine nuts, cashews, and 4 kinds of cheese. I'm not sure if cheese is cooked but I'll need some protein.

For dinner I chopped up carrots, broccoli and 3 kinds of nuts in the food processor. It tastes good as is so I ate about 1/2 cup of that. Then I chopped some onions 1/2 a pound of spinach, some garlic and fresh basil. I mixed that up with tomatoes, mushrooms, sweet peppers, celery and balsamic vinegar. Topped with fresh grated ramano cheese.

Probably about 1/2 the calories I normally eat but I cant get anything else down. Too full.

haha awesome. Cheese is pasteurized so unfortunately it is on the bad list. I still eat it anyway, cheese is one thing I can't give up.

The other thing is you have to get the nuts raw. If they are roasted, then they lose most of the nutritional value.(from what we can tell so far anyway)

Ways to get plenty of protein are...

peas, beans, lentils, soy products, grains (wheat, oats, rice, barley, buckwheat, millet, pasta, bread), nuts (brazils, hazels, almonds, cashews) and seeds (sunflower, pumpkin, sesame).

I know what you mean, after a green smoothie I am not hungry at all for pretty much all day if I have snacks every now and then. I like kiwi fruit.
A good quick snack is peanut, almond or cashew butter with dates in it.
Also celery with peanut butter and raisins or dates

[BAH]

...wait wait wait - I read this thread quickly - so no protein and low carbs (natural sugars in fruits and fiber in green leefy things)? No wonder you've lost weight :shocked:

Nope, we get plenty of protein. See above post

[BAH]

OK. So I pedaled off to Costco and filled my Yak trailer with 70 LBS of avocado, tomato, celery, carrots, spinach, sweet peppers, walnuts, almonds, pine nuts, cashews, and 4 kinds of cheese. I'm not sure if cheese is cooked but I'll need some protein.

For dinner I chopped up carrots, broccoli and 3 kinds of nuts in the food processor. It tastes good as is so I ate about 1/2 cup of that. Then I chopped some onions 1/2 a pound of spinach, some garlic and fresh basil. I mixed that up with tomatoes, mushrooms, sweet peppers, celery and balsamic vinegar. Topped with fresh grated ramano cheese.

Probably about 1/2 the calories I normally eat but I cant get anything else down. Too full.

oh and serious hippy points for not using your car to grocery shop:clapping: :biggrin:

[Serial Midget]

oh and serious hippy points for not using your car to grocery shop:clapping: :biggrin:

My bob trailer pack was filled to capacity from Costco, the limit is 75LBS and I am pretty sure I was over 100LBS. Stability was an issue. I had to go home to unload before going Fred Meyer for Odwalla juice and other stuff.

On the way I was schooled by a roadie. :monkey:

All the nuts I bought were raw. I think the juice is pasteurized so I'll just have to drink 20% more. :)

[SkaredShtles]

I've decided to live on air and light. :thumb:

http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/breathe_light/breatharianism.html

[BMXman]

it's good to see more folks trying to live a healthier lifestyle...If I can help out in any way please don't hesitate to PM...D

[loco-gringo]

Always a Canadian swooping in to save the day. :D Are you all hippies or Mounties up there???

[BMXman]

uh for the record I'm American and live in Canada :D

[loco-gringo]

uh for the record I'm American and live in Canada :D

Yeah - but we know your dreams.

For the record, we all wish we could be Canadian right now.

[-dustin]

i'd rather be an American in Canada. it worked 3yrs ago, i'm sure it'll still work.

...then again, she was ****in' stupid, but hey, what can you do?

[BAH]

I've decided to live on air and light. :thumb:

http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/breathe_light/breatharianism.html

haha, I once had a gal contact me to photograph her and her "aura" I thought about using some color gels and messing with her, but decided against it and referred her to a photographer who I don't much care for:busted:

[MtnBikerChk]

Nope, we get plenty of protein. See above post


how many grams in a typical day?

[Knuckleslammer]

I've read that peanuts are toxic because of the shelling process? What about peanut butter? That certainly is not raw, correct?

I read to only eat nuts in shells. The heating process to shell the nut renders the innate oils in the nut toxic.

What about olive oil? Is that on the no no list?

[narlus]

i don't see why olive oil would be verboten...it's just pressed liquid from the olive fruit.

peanut butter isn't heated, i believe, but could be homogenized (which is NOT the same thing as pasteurized, which does involve high heat @ short time to kill bacteria)...you can get non-homogenized peanut butter if you want.

[I Are Baboon]

I guess coffee is out too then, eh? Unless you want to eat raw coffee beans.

[syadasti]

peanut butter isn't heated, i believe, but could be homogenized (which is NOT the same thing as pasteurized, which does involve high heat @ short time to kill bacteria)...you can get non-homogenized peanut butter if you want.

Aren't most peanuts used in peanut butter roasted :huh:

[narlus]

doh!

you are probably right.

[Knuckleslammer]

I guess coffee is out too then, eh? Unless you want to eat raw coffee beans.



LOL:clapping:

[syadasti]

I guess coffee is out too then, eh? Unless you want to eat raw coffee beans.

Well cats eat raw coffee beans and then crap out the most expensive coffee in the world. You could make a lot of money if you make a new coffee variety, just keep the production down and you'll be rich:twitch:

The Indonesian, feral palm civet cats (paradoxrus hermaphroditus) actually eat the coffee beans and excrete them for consumers to enjoy as an after dinner specialty. The three to ten pound cats from Indonesia use digestive enzymes to ferment the beans, cutting proteins in the beans, resulting in a lower acidic coffee. The beans are washed, so bacteria is minimal.

...

"The coffee beans can sell from anywhere from $300 - $600 a pound. The cost is high because only about 1000 kilograms of this rare gourmet treat is harvested a year."

...

These beans are not the only pre-digested items on the market. Bees regurgitate to make honey. Argan oil is created by goats eating the acacia-like tree's fruit. It is then excreted, pits removed and the result is grinded for cooking, massage oil and sometimes as an aphrodisiac.

There is also weasel coffee. The weasel coffee has a stronger taste than Kopi Luwak and has chocolate nuances. The weasels from Vietnam actually eat the beans and vomit them up. The result costs half the price of cat crap coffee. In fact, legend has it that goats were one of the first to find coffee. A herdsman in Ethiopia discovered his goats had more energy after eating the red coffee cherries.

[BAH]

how many grams in a typical day?

Somewhere in the 70-100g range for me. Quite a bit less for Sara

[I Are Baboon]

MMMmmmmm....cat poop coffee.....

:drool:

[BAH]

I've read that peanuts are toxic because of the shelling process? What about peanut butter? That certainly is not raw, correct?

I read to only eat nuts in shells. The heating process to shell the nut renders the innate oils in the nut toxic.

What about olive oil? Is that on the no no list?

I'm not sure about olive oil, I asked Sara about peanut butter and she says yes that's out. We use raw organic cashew butter. I just thought this was because we both like cashews, but apparently it is also because peanut butter is bad.

[Knuckleslammer]

God Damn:shocked:

[BAH]

I guess coffee is out too then, eh? Unless you want to eat raw coffee beans.

Yeah coffee is out, sorry:busted:

[syadasti]

No tea either? Its cooked in its preparation. Not to mention tea and coffee are hot beverages :clue:

green tea
Steaming / dry heat treatment: This destroys the plant's own enzymes so that the leaf will retain its green color instead of turning "black".

black tea
Next, the tea is dried with hot air at a temperature of approx. 85-88ºC (185-190ºF) in order to interrupt the oxidation process. The residual moisture is thereby extracted from the leaves, the extracted sap dries on the leaf and the copper-colored leaf turns dark brown to black.

[Knuckleslammer]

Why is coffee out? It's raw right? Your just running water through chopped up beans right? Of course they roast the beans which renders them toxic, right?

Anyhow, I drink decaf. I don't need the caffine. I'm high-wired as it is. Plus without sugar and cream, it's worthless anyhow.

The time is near when I no longer eat or drink anything I like. That's the reality of this folks. NO LONGER EATING ANYTHING THAT TASTES GOOD, EVER AGAIN. :plthumbsdown:

Are you up for the challenge?

[SkaredShtles]

haha, I once had a gal contact me to photograph her and her "aura" I thought about using some color gels and messing with her, but decided against it and referred her to a photographer who I don't much care for:busted:
"I'm sorry, but I can't see your aura with all those clothes on..." :brows:

[Jeremy R]

MMMmmmmm....cat poop coffee.....

:drool:

Sweet.
I can be all high class and stuff by making my friends cat poop coffee.
I have three cats, and a french press. I'm gold.
I wonder if I should remove the litter beads or will that just add to the flavor.

[SkaredShtles]

<snip>

The time is near when I no longer eat or drink anything I like. That's the reality of this folks. NO LONGER EATING ANYTHING THAT TASTES GOOD, EVER AGAIN. :plthumbsdown:

Are you up for the challenge?
Fock no. I eat all sorts of healthy, good tasting stuff. The key is to prepare it from scratch with whole ingredients...

Like tonight I think we'll have Italian Pork Chops with Kale and caprese. :thumb:

[DRB]

Fock no. I eat all sorts of healthy, good tasting stuff. The key is to prepare it from scratch with whole ingredients...

Like tonight I think we'll have Italian Pork Chops with Kale and caprese. :thumb:

I think his point was in reference to the Raw diet. Your dinner is not Raw approved.

[SkaredShtles]

I think his point was in reference to the Raw diet. Your dinner is not Raw approved.
Fvck those religious freaks. :mad:

[narlus]

Sweet.
I can be all high class and stuff by making my friends cat poop coffee.
I have three cats, and a french press. I'm gold.
I wonder if I should remove the litter beads or will that just add to the flavor.

i wouldnt...i think it would be better to market them as 'flavor crystals'

[Westy]

What would the Icepeeps think of all this?

[Serial Midget]

What would the Icepeeps think of all this?

Its all about progression. If you'll remember -TenaciousLeo was the first in the nation to teach his dog how to make a ham sandwich.

[DRB]

Fvck those religious freaks. :mad:

w3rd to your mutha.

[BAH]

Its all about progression. If you'll remember -TenaciousLeo was the first in the nation to teach his dog how to make a ham sandwich.

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[Westy]

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Watch it that beer has been cooked. Should look for some kind of wheat grass smiley.

[BMXman]

there are some raw beers out there....I don't drink but I remember my last job carried a few....D

[H8R]

Yeah coffee is out, sorry:busted:

FVCK THAT NOISE.

[narlus]

there are some raw beers out there....I don't drink but I remember my last job carried a few....D

so they germinate the barley in room temperature water?

http://www.grdc.com.au/growers/gc/gc63/barleya.gif

sounds delicious..... :disgust1:

[DRB]

The more I think about this "diet", I think BAH needs to be burned at the stake.

[H8R]

The more I think about this "diet", I think BAH needs to be burned at the stake.

You mean NOT eaten raw?

[Westy]

You mean NOT eaten raw?


We could feed him to whore babies. Imagine how tasty raw live free range raw live fed whore babies would be.

[BMXman]

so they germinate the barley in room temperature water?

http://www.grdc.com.au/growers/gc/gc63/barleya.gif

sounds delicious..... :disgust1:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=raw+beer&btnG=Google+Search

[DRB]

We could feed him to whore babies. Imagine how tasty raw live free range raw live fed whore babies would be.

I'm droolin' all over my laptop.

[Westy]

I'm droolin' all over my laptop.


I've thought about it a little more and the best whore baby hasn't teethed yet so for them to be able to chow down on BAH would be impossible. Of course nothing that screwing pieces of old hacksaw blades into their jaws wouldn't solve.

[narlus]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=raw+beer&btnG=Google+Search

no offense, but that link is useless...did you look at any of the results?

this came back as result #3:
"Method for producing beer-like and alcohol-free fermented beverage"

and it still referenced roasted malt....i thought roasting was a no-no?

the 5th reference is a recipe. here's the 1st step:
Heat 3 gals water to 170 deg F

[H8R]

I've thought about it a little more and the best whore baby hasn't teethed yet so for them to be able to chow down on BAH would be impossible. Of course nothing that screwing pieces of old hacksaw blades into their jaws wouldn't solve.

What the hell are you going on about now?

[Westy]

Do you have to take cold showers?

[DRB]

I've thought about it a little more and the best whore baby hasn't teethed yet so for them to be able to chow down on BAH would be impossible. Of course nothing that screwing pieces of old hacksaw blades into their jaws wouldn't solve.

What if we made a smoothie out of BAH and fed that to the whore babies. Smoothies seem be okay for the RAW diet.

[Westy]

What the hell are you going on about now?

Good eatin' babies don't have teeth yet. How could they eat raw BAH if they don't have teeth? I was thinking with some sheetmetal screws and old sawblades you could come up with something like this.

http://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/jaws_bond.jpg

[Westy]

What if we made a smoothie out of BAH and fed that to the whore babies. Smoothies seem be okay for the RAW diet.

I was thinking of taking it one step further and going for RAW LIVE diet. All those nutrients start breaking down as soon as the heart stops beating.

[Serial Midget]

Hmmmm... sounds like a recipe for toxic liquid death. :monkey:



no offense, but that link is useless...did you look at any of the results?

this came back as result #3:
"Method for producing beer-like and alcohol-free fermented beverage"

and it still referenced roasted malt....i thought roasting was a no-no?

the 5th reference is a recipe. here's the 1st step:

[Knuckleslammer]

JHFC this thread has gone downhill in the past few hours :plthumbsdown:

[DRB]

JHFC this thread has gone downhill in the past few hours :plthumbsdown:

Don't be pushing that Raw lifestyle on us.

I bet :spam: is the devil to you people.

[moff_quigley]

JHFC this thread has gone downhill in the past few hours :plthumbsdown:

I'd say it's starting to look up.

[SkaredShtles]

I'd say it's starting to look up.
Have you thought about going Raw, Fatty? :monkey:

[moff_quigley]

Stop following me. Raw? Never. Never ever. Raw only means no crispy bacon, grilled ribeyes, and mom-in-laws Pho. Never ever never.

[SkaredShtles]

Stop following me. Raw? Never. Never ever. Raw only means no crispy bacon, grilled ribeyes, and mom-in-laws Pho. Never ever never.
That $hit'll make you fat, Fatty. :D

[moff_quigley]

That $hit'll make you fat, Fatty. :D

It most certainly does. :monkeydance:

[jonKranked]

I've gone claw...

http://www.maddspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/claw-sign.jpeg

[BMXman]

no offense, but that link is useless...did you look at any of the results?

this came back as result #3:
"Method for producing beer-like and alcohol-free fermented beverage"

and it still referenced roasted malt....i thought roasting was a no-no?

the 5th reference is a recipe. here's the 1st step:

lol...no I just typed in key words and posted the results....you're not expecting me to actually look are you :D

[SkaredShtles]

lol...no I just typed in key words and posted the results....you're not expecting me to actually look are you :D
Pipe down, hippy! :mad:

[BMXman]

Pipe down, hippy! :mad:

I'm the farthest thing from a hippie bacon boy....D

[SkaredShtles]

I'm the farthest thing from a hippie bacon boy....D
Methinks the hippy doth protest too much. :p

[jdcamb]

Can you use hot pepper sauce on the raw stuff? Life without hot sauce isn't any sorta life I want to live..... Oysters with Louisiana Chipoltle hot sauce.

[BMXman]

most hot sauces have been cooked....I have gone raw many times but to do it permanently is to tough for me.. I would miss out on a lot of my favorite foods....I do go raw a few times out of the year though just to mix things up....I think everyone should try it for at least a week...expands your thoughts about food and how we eat....D

[jdcamb]

I eat most beef to most folks standards raw. I can eat loin meat totally raw. I am however very picky. I never eat grocery store beef. I have to trust the source.....

[Jeremy R]

Pipe down, hippy! :mad:


.....
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d174/bikeryder007/pot-kettle-black.jpg

[BMXman]

I eat most beef to most folks standards raw. I can eat loin meat totally raw. I am however very picky. I never eat grocery store beef. I have to trust the source.....

yeah my raw friends eat all kinds of meat they just slice it really thin....some of them bought a deli slicer just for getting it really thin.....D

[Serial Midget]

24 hours on nothing but vegetables and a bit of cheese... my meal prep time is about 10 minutes.

[Toshi]

I can eat loin meat totally raw. [...] I have to trust the source.....
"loin meat", eh? :busted: NTTAWWT

[narlus]

donnie, i hear what you are saying, and it makes sense. but to make it a life crusade, imo, is insane.


how many have people have ever said that their favorite meal was served cold?

[Bicyclist]

how many have people have ever said that their favorite meal was served cold?

And how many people are on diets that aren't even remotely healthy?

[narlus]

And how many people are on diets that aren't even remotely healthy?

despite my horrible syntax late last night, your query is not relevant to my statement.

[DRB]

donnie, i hear what you are saying, and it makes sense. but to make it a life crusade, imo, is insane.


how many have people have ever said that their favorite meal was served cold?

caprese is pretty high on my list of favorite meals....

[narlus]

it's got cheese too.

seriously...could gazpacho ever be the only soup you'd eat?

[DRB]

it's got cheese too.

seriously...could gazpacho ever be the only soup you'd eat?

And as far as I'm concerned it has prosciutto as well.

As for gazpacho....no fvcking way.

[syadasti]

it's got cheese too.

seriously...could gazpacho ever be the only soup you'd eat?

It would help if it had broiled lobster and other seafood bits mixed in :drool:

[narlus]

And as far as I'm concerned it has prosciutto as well.

heathen. :disgust1:

[Knuckleslammer]

To me, it's not about food. I know people that are fat bastards that eat nothing but garbage, are healthy and have all the energy in the world. For me, @ 36, I feel like absolute garbage all the time. I did 30 minutes of jump rope and jumping jacks the other day and the next day, I felt like I had bone cancer.

So, I have to do something. I've read extensively over the past few days about people like me who were in the same boat. Tired all the time, no energy, constant aches and pains. They switched to a raw diet and turned their life around.

I don't give two craps about age really. I don't tell myself it's the aches an pains of getting old. That's a f'n cop out if you ask me. Age is just a man made construct, a number. As long as you are associating what you can and can't do, your bound to a number.

A lot more folks too, are waking up to the facts of deception put forth by the medical establishment and big pharma. With the advent of the internet, people are becoming more responsible and self sufficient and becoming their own doctors.

This is wonderful I think. Do I still go to the guesser? Yes, but I don't take her word for the be all end all. I do my own research. People are individuals, not text books. You have to look at the whole body, not just one symptom.

And as for diet, this is not a diet, it's for life. Based upon what I've read and found out so far, I'm liking it.

[BAH]

To me, it's not about food. I know people that are fat bastards that eat nothing but garbage, are healthy and have all the energy in the world. For me, @ 36, I feel like absolute garbage all the time. I did 30 minutes of jump rope and jumping jacks the other day and the next day, I felt like I had bone cancer.

So, I have to do something. I've read extensively over the past few days about people like me who were in the same boat. Tired all the time, no energy, constant aches and pains. They switched to a raw diet and turned their life around.

I don't give two craps about age really. I don't tell myself it's the aches an pains of getting old. That's a f'n cop out if you ask me. Age is just a man made construct, a number. As long as you are associating what you can and can't do, your bound to a number.

A lot more folks too, are waking up to the facts of deception put forth by the medical establishment and big pharma. With the advent of the internet, people are becoming more responsible and self sufficient and becoming their own doctors.

This is wonderful I think. Do I still go to the guesser? Yes, but I don't take her word for the be all end all. I do my own research. People are individuals, not text books. You have to look at the whole body, not just one symptom.

And as for diet, this is not a diet, it's for life. Based upon what I've read and found out so far, I'm liking it.

These are basically the same sentiments that my wife and I have. I've always been healthy but just get really lethargic. My wife as I've said before, has had a constant stomach ache for years after eating. Both have been taken care of pretty much overnight. I'm not saying that I will never eat cooked food again or say its the devil(yet anyway) But right now I'm feeling just too good to think about doing anything else.

My wife is currently dehydrating a mix for pizza dough and she will have a raw pizza up tomorrow. You gotta have a dehydrator to make it and the "dough" takes 36 hours to get to where it needs to be so ya gotta plan ahead for this one :busted: (10 mins of prep time, the rest of that time it just sits)

[jacksonpt]

I don't have to force it down, I look forward to eating it, so I'm sticking to it.
I think that's the key, regardless of what type of diet you're on. I could never do the raw thing, but I applaud your efforts and your dedication.

[Knuckleslammer]

I know nothing of dehydrating? I know what it is and have seen the multi tray ones, but what do you do with a dehydrator?

I've been looking at getting a seed mill. A quality one is expensive. I'm glad I have a good juicer already.

I'm not looking at this as a bad thing. Not bummed out about it. It's just frign food. Eat it and your done. The toughest part is going over peoples houses and seeing them eating pizza and ribs and fried dough :(

[jonKranked]

hmmm My energy levels have been on the low side... tossing around the idea of incorporating larger portions of raw food.

[BAH]

I think that's the key, regardless of what type of diet you're on. I could never do the raw thing, but I applaud your efforts and your dedication.

This was of course my first reaction to it as well and my wife got bored really quickly with what her and most people think of as "raw" food. When she started mixing stuff up and getting creative is when I started sampling and found that it's not anywhere close to the horrible that it sounded. That's why she asked me to start taking photos so that she could post up her recipes and possibly help other people get healthy without gagging down greens etc :D

[BAH]

hmmm My energy levels have been on the low side... tossing around the idea of incorporating larger portions of raw food.

ITS ALL OR NOTHING:mad:

[Westy]

ITS ALL OR NOTHING:mad:


Why? Do they cooked food poisons screw it all up or do they just not let you drink the Kool Aide?

[jonKranked]

ITS ALL OR NOTHING:mad:

well sh!t i guess I gotta get an extend-a-bike, some ground FX, stop bathing and roll my hair into dreads. :busted:

[BAH]

I know nothing of dehydrating? I know what it is and have seen the multi tray ones, but what do you do with a dehydrator?

I've been looking at getting a seed mill. A quality one is expensive. I'm glad I have a good juicer already.

I'm not looking at this as a bad thing. Not bummed out about it. It's just frign food. Eat it and your done. The toughest part is going over peoples houses and seeing them eating pizza and ribs and fried dough :(

I don't know a whole lot about it either, she just came home with it the other day and said that it will allow her to make more a variety of foods and variety is good.
It is the multi tray thing. Here it is with some raw pizza dough dehydrating

http://www.derekandsara.com/raw/photos/june2007/food2.jpg

The only thing I know about it so far is that you can dehydrate fruit(and meat if so desired) and make "dough" with it.

[BAH]

well sh!t i guess I gotta get an extend-a-bike, some ground FX, stop bathing and roll my hair into dreads. :busted:

I'm glad you've come to your senses:monkey:

[jonKranked]

I'm glad you've come to your senses:monkey:

or lost them

[BAH]

Why? Do they cooked food poisons screw it all up or do they just not let you drink the Kool Aide?

because the light will not come upon you and enter if it notices that you have eaten anything but the raw

[BAH]

ok I read the booklet briefly and with a dehydrator you can make

meat jerkies
fruit rolls
dried fruits
vegetables
herbs&spices
yogurt

I'm sure Sara will come up with some more interesting/tasty stuff as well.

[Westy]

because the light will not come upon you and enter if it notices that you have eaten anything but the raw

The bike light thingy? I'm pretty sure they will sell me one no matter what I eat. I don't want it inside me anyway, NTTIAWWT.;)

[jonKranked]

ok I read the booklet briefly and with a dehydrator you can make

meat jerkies
fruit rolls
dried fruits
vegetables
herbs&spices
yogurt

I'm sure Sara will come up with some more interesting/tasty stuff as well.

how much was it? i am intrigued. I still enjoy my veggie steamer though.

[BAH]

or lost them

I know someone is going to take what I said seriously so here is my disclaimer.

*you can of course start incorporating a little raw into your diet. You don't need to grow dreads,get ground FX or buy an xtracycle to be healthy(however you will be much more rad). And please don't stop bathing. Especially if you ever go biking with me

[jonKranked]

I know someone is going to take what I said seriously so here is my disclaimer.

*you can of course start incorporating a little raw into your diet. You don't need to grow dreads,get ground FX or buy an xtracycle to be healthy(however you will be much more rad). And please don't stop bathing. Especially if you ever go on biking with me

haha i was just throwing a little sarcasm in to keep things lively. I def don't want it misinterpreted. However this info/diet seems pretty legit. Personally I think eating exclusively raw is a little overkill (too much of a good thing, anything is ok for you in moderation). But to each your own. If this works for you, then more power to you :thumb:

and info on the dehydrator? plzKthnx :cupidarrow:

[BAH]

haha i was just throwing a little sarcasm in to keep things lively. I def don't want it misinterpreted. However this info/diet seems pretty legit. Personally I think eating exclusively raw is a little overkill (too much of a good thing, anything is ok for you in moderation). But to each your own. If this works for you, then more power to you :thumb:

and info on the dehydrator? plzKthnx :cupidarrow:

I know you got it, but sooner or later there was going to be someone who didn't and then it would get ugly:biggrin:


Turns out the dehydrator can do all kinds of stuff

drying photographs
humidifier
aromatherapy
making pasta
recrisping crackers and other foods
composting aid
home crafts(dry out flowers etc)

We paid $230 for ours at a local health food store, here it is

http://www.excaliburdehydrator.com/9-Tray-Large-Excalibur-3900-68-37-regular-prod.htm

[Nobody]

Human bodies are generally divers and varied. So are dietary needs and restrictions.

You feel better? 10 points!

You probably are genuine healthier, right there. Just like that.

Points: Anything in excess leads to the same place.

I drink more water than anyone I'm related to. My GF does the same. We're not 'SuperHydrated' but all body tissues are fully saturated.

Our joints feel better, hands, elbows, knees. Eyestrain is reduced [you'd be amazed how much better eyeballs work when they're properly lubricated!] and digestion is fast and easy.

And that's just water.

Now, open the door to the fridge and it's got a big Brita water filter. To drink. That's it. People think I'm a freak. All I drink is water.

Oh, not all the time. A glass of wine or two, a really good beer, and, when appropriate - Don Julio in small glasses.

Now, most of the food I eat is loosely based on Fresh Mediterranean cuisine - a far cry from most North American diets.

A large portion of that diet is RAW. 90% is Fresh.

I feel better. younger! my hair color is back to it's teenage color!

Seriously, though. Simple changes can effect huge improvements.

I just don't do anything to the extreme.

[BAH]

Human bodies are generally divers and varied. So are dietary needs and restrictions.

You feel better? 10 points!

You probably are genuine healthier, right there. Just like that.

Points: Anything in excess leads to the same place.

I drink more water than anyone I'm related to. My GF does the same. We're not 'SuperHydrated' but all body tissues are fully saturated.

Our joints feel better, hands, elbows, knees. Eyestrain is reduced [you'd be amazed how much better eyeballs work when they're properly lubricated!] and digestion is fast and easy.

And that's just water.

Now, open the door to the fridge and it's got a big Brita water filter. To drink. That's it. People think I'm a freak. All I drink is water.

Oh, not all the time. A glass of wine or two, a really good beer, and, when appropriate - Don Julio in small glasses.

Now, most of the food I eat is loosely based on Fresh Mediterranean cuisine - a far cry from most North American diets.

A large portion of that diet is RAW. 90% is Fresh.

I feel better. younger! my hair color is back to it's teenage color!

Seriously, though. Simple changes can effect huge improvements.

I just don't do anything to the extreme.


I agree with everything you've said and have just now have decided to make a better effort to get more water :)

I don't feel that an all raw diet is extreme though. I did at first because my thoughts were "eating only lettuce and cabbage?? thats nuts"

However with s a little more research I found that there is actually a big variety of raw foods available. As long as you use this variety and are careful that you are getting all the nutrients you need then it's not "extreme" at all.

As you've mentioned though and I heartily agree- every person is different and what works for one doesn't mean it's going to work for everyone.

I didn't start this post with the thought in mind that I was going to convert everyone to eating raw foods, I'm actually a little surprised that this thread has lasted as long as it did. I expected there to be many posts ridiculing me, some gay jokes/references from Westy and many photos of meat and then it drop into oblivion:busted:

[BAH]

I also have to admit that there is a teryaki joint close by that makes a fried prawns/gyoza plate that I just cant resist. I had it for lunch yesterday and promptly got really sick and made several trips to the bathroom. Not hungry for it anymore...

[DRB]

I agree with everything you've said and have just now have decided to make a better effort to get more water :)

I don't feel that an all raw diet is extreme though. I did at first because my thoughts were "eating only lettuce and cabbage?? thats nuts"

However with s a little more research I found that there is actually a big variety of raw foods available. As long as you use this variety and are careful that you are getting all the nutrients you need then it's not "extreme" at all.

As you've mentioned though and I heartily agree- every person is different and what works for one doesn't mean it's going to work for everyone.

I didn't start this post with the thought in mind that I was going to convert everyone to eating raw foods, I'm actually a little surprised that this thread has lasted as long as it did. I expected there to be many posts ridiculing me, some gay jokes/references from Westy and many photos of meat and then it drop into oblivion:busted:

Threads too much fun to let it drop...

[Nobody]

To clarify:

Re: Excess - there is such a thing as Water Intoxication or hyperhydration a.k.a 'water poisoning' - that can lead to death via a loss of things like electrolytes. Something happened to a 29-yr old woman who died of this via a radio promotion 'stunt' a few months ago...

That would be my example of 'Excess'. Another would be taking TWO Viagra when only one will actually do you and good, if at all.

Now, part 2:

Re: Extreme - I'm not suggesting that your dietary considerations are 'extreme' in their general application. But in my universe, if i were to change the basic fundamental of my diet, i would not 'utterly and absolutely' exclude - for all time - a particular food type. Oh, it might be years between 'feedings' but if need and necessity and opportunity all ganged up on me, I'd take the bullet and move on.

Like, um, mc d's - y'know - on a long-ass't road trip.

Although, to be fair, I can go without food for about 72 hrs without too many unpleasant effects, my one GF of mine will actually go through withdrawl and mood swings and literally pass out if she doesn't eat something every 12 hrs. Freaky stuff. She eats a 'lite' version of my own diet.

[moff_quigley]

I had it for lunch yesterday and promptly got really sick and made several trips to the bathroom. Not hungry for it anymore...

The God of Raw was punishing you for deviating from your new found piety. Don't let it happen again. She knows.

[Nobody]

I also have to admit that there is a teryaki joint close by that makes a fried prawns/gyoza plate that I just cant resist. I had it for lunch yesterday and promptly got really sick and made several trips to the bathroom. Not hungry for it anymore...

Well, that was an easy one.

You don't have the necessary enzymes in your digestive tract anymore.

[BAH]

To clarify:

Re: Excess - there is such a thing as Water Intoxication or hyperhydration a.k.a 'water poisoning' - that can lead to death via a loss of things like electrolytes. Something happened to a 29-yr old woman who died of this via a radio promotion 'stunt' a few months ago...

That would be my example of 'Excess'. Another would be taking TWO Viagra when only one will actually do you and good, if at all.

Now, part 2:

Re: Extreme - I'm not suggesting that your dietary considerations are 'extreme' in their general application. But in my universe, if i were to change the basic fundamental of my diet, i would not 'utterly and absolutely' exclude - for all time - a particular food type. Oh, it might be years between 'feedings' but if need and necessity and opportunity all ganged up on me, I'd take the bullet and move on.

Like, um, mc d's - y'know - on a long-ass't road trip.

Although, to be fair, I can go without food for about 72 hrs without too many unpleasant effects, my one GF of mine will actually go through withdrawl and mood swings and literally pass out if she doesn't eat something every 12 hrs. Freaky stuff. She eats a 'lite' version of my own diet.

Again I agree with all points- If it comes down to eating McDonalds or starve, I would... starve. or try and find a Taco bell or Arbys.

However next week, I'm going to start an all water diet. Thanks for the idea:busted:

[syadasti]

Another would be taking TWO Viagra when only one will actually do you and good, if at all.

Yeah that could be dangerous (http://www.break.com/index/cuba-gooding-jr-cialis-parody.html) (NSFW?):rofl:

[Nobody]

...snip...

I didn't start this post with the thought in mind that I was going to convert everyone to eating raw foods, I'm actually a little surprised that this thread has lasted as long as it did. I expected there to be many posts ridiculing me, some gay jokes/references from Westy and many photos of meat and then it drop into oblivion:busted:

No, I think you've done it right - brought some info out into the light. That's good.