Windrock or bust from Washy DC

[Stiff]

I've been following Windrock developments for a coupla few years now and never had a chance to get down there til now. Two of us coming from DC, leaving tonight. Can't wait.

[BKQuill]

We're going to a have a group of about 10 or so up there. Introduce yourself!

[Stiff]

The two of us hope to hook up with y'all. We're on a white VPfree/888 and blue Sinister R9/888. I have a van that can hold six bikes and riders but not sure if shuttles require 4wd or not.

Not sure when we'll get there. We might hit SS on way back to DC, or Roanoke or Hburg VA so not sure if 1 or 2 days in TN.

How much is there to ride now at WR?

I've ridden DH all over the world -- British Columbia, Chile, Korea, Bolivia, New Zealand, Bootleg, Bromont, eastern US ski resorts, etc -- and it'll be good to compare WR: the vids and pics look world class and we need a new trail fix. Can't wait!

[JeffD]

Steve - the shuttle road is paved halfway up and the second half is hardpacked dirt so the van's good. A bunch of us will be there. There are five trails open right now but no way you'll get bored in just two days. Hell, or ever.

[Stiff]

Thanks Jeffro - will be good to finally ride with you after all these years. Heading out the door now.

[whale]

next time, stiff and i are going to plan a little bit more ahead of time to organize shuttles. we were kind of stuck up there with some slower than wanted shuttle turn-around times, but at least with good folks :cheers: we didn't really plan this trip in advance and kind of decided at the last minute to head out to windrock.

the trails were a blast to ride... the upper windmill section was very fast and flowy. i wish there were more trails that were "open" though... it wasn't as technical as i thought it would be. steep dirt chutes and off camber dusty turns made things a bit tricky compared to our super steep sustained rock faces and choppy rock gardens up here at our local spot that is vertically challenged compared to windrock. let us know if any of you locals are up in the NoVa/DC area and want to ride. there are a few pretty good trails up here if you know the right folks to take you down them.

here are the only windrock photos we managed to take time to snap:

atvs on their way up!
http://www.anti-statik.com/whale/pictures/biking/windrock1.jpg

stiff going down the rock face.
http://www.anti-statik.com/whale/pictures/biking/windrock2.jpg

me hitting one of the freeride jumps...
http://www.anti-statik.com/whale/pictures/biking/windrock3.jpg

[theg1ant]

How does windrock compare to the steep trails at the watershed? Looks pretty similar but more built up. Is it less techincally challanging and more ballsy?

[JeffD]

Did you guys ever hit the lower dropoff runs? On Sunday, we hit the ungroomed but rideable Southern Rocks which is a half mile long non-stop rock garden and way gnarlier than what you guys rode. You'll have to make sure to get your fill of it next time.

About the shuttle - sorry if I or anybody in our crew came off as dicks but I told Steve before we started riding that our crew would get dibs on the runs but if/when we had room y'all were welcome to hop on. You should've said something once bike/body part attrition set in - nobody ever asked to hop on once the crowd thinned that I know of. That said, because of coaching first timers and addressing bike issues trailside, our turnaround wasn't much better than yours. It's usually just Brady (Turner DHR, truck owner), Brian (new DHi) and Jason (Big Hit) so the runs come around quicker.

Edit: Road gap footage
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1958152077256257096

[whale]

there is not a lot of freeride built up stuff up there. looooong descents... about 3 times as long as anything at the watershed. as far as technical, it depends on what you mean. if you mean riding steep rock faces then no.... nothing of that sort that i know of or was told exists currently at windrock. there are doubles and drops, but nothing we ran across was super scary. keep in mind though that we didn't hit ALL the trails since some were closed off... so i'm only speaking only from my experience of riding the handful of trails off the windmills and waterfall trail network. stiff and i are also "expert" riders and this place is definitely not a place to bring a beginner.

most of the trails were smooth and had a LOT of flow to them. it was a blast to ride. to me, it felt almost like riding a plattekill trail (except replace the steep shale with dust) on top of the massanutten race course for about a total of 10-15 minutes from top-to-bottom depending on where you started. good stuff, but have your shuttle situation set up before making the trip out there.

[whale]

About the shuttle - sorry if I or anybody in our crew came off as dicks but I told Steve before we started riding that our crew would get dibs on the runs but if/when we had room y'all were welcome to hop on. You should've said something once bike/body part attrition set in - nobody ever asked to hop on once the crowd thinned that I know of. That said, because of coaching first timers and addressing bike issues trailside, our turnaround wasn't much better than yours. It's usually just Brady (Turner DHR, truck owner), Brian (new DHi) and Jason (Big Hit) so the runs come around quicker.


no, we didn't get to the southern rocks. we were told it was closed. the waterfall trail was a lot of fun that led to the road gap.

i understand about the shuttle situation. once we set up with the folks we were riding with, we didn't want to just leave them hanging since they were cool. we will definitely have to make a trek out there again sometime. we usually ride locally with about 5-6 fast folks (stiff, _bp, DBR, etc...) and take turns as shuttle b*tch to make it the most efficient and fun... especially with our limited vert.

we got off to a bad start because the guys that we did our first run with led us in the wrong direction up the mountain to set up a shuttle that killed about an hour.

i'll be out that way toward the end of june and will probably either bring my r9 or my semi-DH worthy heckler that i raced most of the MAC series and rode at diablo, whiteface, and bromont with all last year. i swap out wheel sets to do all mountain or DH with the 66 and DHX air.

[Stiff]

Yeah, trail network is definitely being put together with a lot of thought. My favorite was upper windmill - super pinnable - although I personally usually go for the rockpicking gnarl that seems to be out of favor with the kids these days.

JeffD - No we didn't see that rock garden but I think we hit all the other open trails.

G1ant - WR to me seems like E in feel and flow, but 3x as long. Nothing like Pantyline or Tosser or the so-called drop trails.

Tech question: we were aching to do top-to-bottom non-stops from the Windfarm to the end, and when we did, Will and I both had total frno and back brake loss at the same exact point, just a couple hundred yards up from the lower parking lot/staging area. We're both running Juicy 7s. Anyone else have this problem? With non-stop runs, fluid has less time to cool down, and this is going to be critical when we hit British Columbia in August. Two natural trails I know are vertical miles and sustained steeps and I'd prefer to do full non-stop runs because nothing's better than that drug. I'm thinking of getting Codes or even Avid mechs....

[JeffD]

I run J7s but have experiuenced the opposite - mine tend to pump a little on the windmill trail. Sometimes enough that if/when a slow moment comes around, I'll franticlaly spin the reach adjusters out between hits to keep the lever engagaement point close to the bars.

[bizutch]

you didn't ride any of the burly stuff at Windrock apparently. Dark Hollow, Southern Rocks, etc. Next time you come, speak up and ask a true local to show you the trails. If there's one thing Joey will do, it's show people every nook and cranny.

[bizutch]

I'm a first year Code user coming off Juicy 7's last year and they did fade less. Not sure I noticed any fade...just pad wear by days end meaning I had to spin the contact adjuster. And the pad contact adjuster on the Code's works quick. I had to spin them once all day.

[whale]

i did notice that my juicy 7s got a little pumped a few times, but when we say fade... they completely faded away. after sitting still for a few minutes and bringing in the pad adjustment, they were super tight when they finally cooled off and i had to back them out again.

it was really strange that they completely faded at the same spot on the mountain and both brakes on both bikes at the same time.

[whale]

you didn't ride any of the burly stuff at Windrock apparently. Dark Hollow, Southern Rocks, etc. Next time you come, speak up and ask a true local to show you the trails. If there's one thing Joey will do, it's show people every nook and cranny.

sounds good! were you guys hitting those runs on saturday?

we saw a bunch of shuttles set up at the waterfall. the trail above the waterfall on the other side of the road looked :drool:. we were told that that section was closed due to a gas line or something? say it ain't so!

[JeffD]

As mentioned, we hit Southern Rocks on Sunday. It had some leaves and a little deadfall but was rideable. Brady made a good observation - when in doubt because of heavy leaves, look for the rocks with the chainguide scars on them and head that way.

Dark Hollow isn't anywhere near rideable right now from what I saw of it.

The upper rockgarden above the waterfall is permanenently closed. Sucks big time but aside from the water line or whatever went in, I think Joey wanted to do away with all the road crossings for safetly reasons. That said, Southern rocks is basically five minutes straight worth of that rock garden you saw.

[Peete]

Yesterday I realized I have had my brake levers too close to the grips.
The old index finger doesn't get as much leverage when it's pulling closer to the brake lever pivot.

Alex and Garret really enjoyed it. Garret is now in the market for a DH rig.

On the way home I almost bet Garret $20 he couldn't eat a quadruple Whopper. Not only did he eat it but he also ate a chicken sandwich as an appitizer.

Must be nice to be 18, throw your body on the ground all day, eat 1/3 of your body weight in fast food and not feel any of it.

[dhbuilder]

first of all.
another big round of thanks to brady for his dodge shuttle mule.
he always seems to be there with it when the crowds are as big as they were this past weekend.
and with fuel costs being what they are, that's more of an effort than ever.
thanks.

as far as some of the older trails are concerned, nobody is more dissapointed that all of them aren't open and groomed to my standards than myself.
there's so many combinations of steep gnarly runs that i miss terribly.
darkhollow.
southernrocks.
middlefinger.
railyard.
trail 14 to twisted.
and everything above the waterfall is more than likely gone for good.

all of these above runs are as steep, rocky and as high speed as it gets.

it's just now we have so much to maintain.
and i just recentlly spent 35-36 hrs. over the last two previous weekends and a weekday just getting the entire windmill trail weedeated and cleaned.
that leaves zero time to work on the other trails.

and now after some stuff was busted up on upper windmill, i'll be spending next weekend and a few $$$ to get that section to where it's rideable by a wider skill range than as it sets now with that new jump and sketchy landing zone.

pre-planning as whale said, is the key to quick turnarounds here.
for the most part shuttling is pre-arranged and a self sufficient system.
and having your bike properly built and prepped before you get here goes along way too.
waiting until you get here to realize that your brakes suck, puts a slowdown to the turnaround for everybody.
FRONT brakes are vital up here to control runaway speed.

after the repairs to upper windmill are complete.
southernrocks is the next cleaning project.
after that, it'll just be maintaning what's open for the rest of the year.
that's going to be a good size project as it is.

[dhbuilder]

b.t.w.

two good quotes came out of this weekend.

1/
"you guys have any advil ? we've kinda gone through all of ours."

2/
"that's ok, i dont need any armor or full face helmet. i'm walking most of it anyway."

[DVNT]

and now after some stuff was busted up on upper windmill, i'll be spending next weekend and a few $$$ to get that section to where it's rideable by a wider skill range than as it sets now with that new jump and sketchy landing zone.


thanks a ton for all the effort you put in. you guys are truly blessed with terrain to work with up there.
Windmill is one of my favorites but i'd suck to eat it bad on that new jump, it's a long walk down to the parking lot.

can't wait to get back up there.

[dhbuilder]

it's going to be a long, tough three or four hikes to get all the lumber etc... up there to fix that section.
but it'll be done right and will fit into the rest of the trails flow.

i'll cantilever out a tapered landing ramp that shorten up that gap from twelve to around eight ft. and yet still have good runout for the faster riders.
just like the roadgap.

again.
riding the trail at normal (a relative term) trail speed will get you over it.

[bizutch]

Hey Joey...1 suggestion. A warning sign before the road gap. The one kid got out of sync with the guys he was riding with and followed me, Brady and Greg and somebody else down Trail 1 and didn't know what was coming up. We didn't know to tell him b/c everyone else had seen it. But b/c he'd been out with brake probs all day, he'd never even been down that section.

He got hurt pretty bad. Not your fault for no sign or our fault for not telling him. Nobody thought twice about it. We were just freight training one last run with no stops and "poot"....

[ChrisKring]

Joey: were you holding out on a new jump on the Windmill trail? I don't remember anything with 12 foot gap

[dhbuilder]

here's my take on signage.

hear me out on this one.
on a full run without stopping, a sign is worthless.
as you're focusing on the trailbed that's coming up at speed and reading signs is a little out of the question at that moment.

i've had trail signs in various areas before, and most never saw them.

and i never ever like hearing about anyone getting hurt on my trails.
but just about every local here has done major emergency room time.
it's just the way it is.

this isn't a resort trail system by any means.
you have to be fully aware of the trails and your surroundings up here. (in more ways than you know.)
riding into sections blind on any trail system let alone this one, is a recipe for disaster.

it goes back to one of the paragraphs in my rules sticky about being honest with yourself about your abilities on a bike.

butch.
you have to figure that you and your riding partners are experienced downhill riders.
on a x-c ride you have time to ease up and look after lesser skilled riders.
but when you drop the hammer here or any d.h. trail.
it's game on and there just isn't the opportunity to look out for others or hold hands.

i've said before, this place was built by experienced riders for experienced riders. with no though given for lesser abilities than those up here building the trails.


anyone know what his outcome was ?

[dhbuilder]

Joey: were you holding out on a new jump on the Windmill trail? I don't remember anything with 12 foot gap

a bridge up there that we've been sailing over at speed since that trail opened, was torn up by slower riders.
and some numbskull took a few of the loose boards and stood them up to block to trail.
i came ripping down into it only to see a barricade blocking a hole that 99% of downhillers wouldn't have even noticed as they flew over it.

terry and i had talked before about it not even needing to be there if a small jump was placed in front of it.

but you know me.
i'm not too good at building small jumps.
so now there's a large jump before the second powerline crossing.
i'll finish it off this weekend.

[Jeremy R]

anyone know what his outcome was ?

Maybe we can get together and play checkers or something.
(my cast is already itchy)
Not more than my itch to ride though.:twitch:

[DVNT]

anyone know what his outcome was ?

haven't seen him post on here so i'll post this up.

no. i blew out my knee. 6 weeks off the bike, but ill be back for sure. that mountain dont own me yet! haha. how was ridin on sunday? anymore crash reports?

....its not so bad, doc hooked it up wit some great meds. but it does suck that i cant ride for 6 weeks and on my 6th week i leave for colorado, to ride out there. hope i remember how to ride. lol

[dhbuilder]

that's actually good news.
it could have been a lot worse.

i know sooner or later somebody............

[ShawnB]

Quote--"a sign is worthless"
I'm not entirely sure what windrock has against signs, but its time that somebody implements them. Not only are there no warning signs prior to stunts, road gap, broken bridges. There are no signs on the shuttle road to lead you to the trails. For the first timers it's a pain in the ass.
Clearly Windrock is becoming more and more popular and with that comes increased stress on the trails. With that being said there needs to be an increase in safety regulations. If certain sections are washed out and in dire need of repair.....CLOSE THEM. Don't throw some skethcy ass jump to a death landing. And I rode over this thing as it was broken and did notice that the last 3-4 planks were missing. Not cool.

[whale]

Quote--"a sign is worthless"
With that being said there needs to be an increase in safety regulations. If certain sections are washed out and in dire need of repair.....CLOSE THEM. Don't throw some skethcy ass jump to a death landing. And I rode over this thing as it was broken and did notice that the last 3-4 planks were missing. Not cool.

i'm pretty sure that when i paid my $15 to access windrock this weekend that those proceeds didn't go to the trailbuilders. they do it on their own time and $$ for people like us to access it.

...and even if a chunk of that does go to some of the trailbuilders, you aren't riding at a resort and shouldn't expect that type of service. if you are riding snowshoe, mountain creek, whiteface, whistler, etc... there should be signs. resorts publicly advertise their trails and windrock is just a spot where DH biking has been accepted.

i always check out our local trails for a warm-up run before hitting them full speed. it's probably smart to do the same thing at most places you ride. if there is an unsafe looking stunt or section that someone hasn't gotten around to fixing, don't hit it.

[bizutch]

Quote--"a sign is worthless"
I'm not entirely sure what windrock has against signs, but its time that somebody implements them. Not only are there no warning signs prior to stunts, road gap, broken bridges. There are no signs on the shuttle road to lead you to the trails. For the first timers it's a pain in the ass.
Clearly Windrock is becoming more and more popular and with that comes increased stress on the trails. With that being said there needs to be an increase in safety regulations. If certain sections are washed out and in dire need of repair.....CLOSE THEM. Don't throw some skethcy ass jump to a death landing. And I rode over this thing as it was broken and did notice that the last 3-4 planks were missing. Not cool.


Joey. I agree with that line of thinking. Now that you mention it, we can't have any bright blue arrow signs blinking in the sky like on Gran Turismo to indicate a place to hit the "B" button. You're right that "Ride at your own risk" is inherent with MTB. Signage shouldn't be a responsibility.

For the sake of repeat visitors and "newbie's", signs to indicate trail names would be great, but hard to keep up and let alone even notice on your way down the mountain. Heck, Snowshoe and Diablo have tons of yellow signs for trails, but I don't even notice them til about my 3rd run down.

As for your comments about safety regulations, there are NONE. And there should be NONE! Ride at your own risk! Take responsibility for your own self. Take responsibility for your actions.

Never assume a bridge is working. Never assume there isn't a gap around a corner. Never assume a trail isn't washed out.
Never assume a rock hasn't moved into a blind, off camber corner.

Take care of yourself. If you wreck or are injured, take responsibility.

If someone puts sharp pointed sticks in the trail at waist level...(OK...that was overboard.)

Safety regulations increase your liabilities. Joey, Windrock and Coal Creek have no liability to anyone.

[dhbuilder]

i can only imagine what would happen if i put signage all up the road leading every renegade a.t.v. and moto rider right up to our singletrack.
oh yeah, that'd be good.

and as far as the trails are concerned.
a 50 yr. old man is designing, building and rippin the snot out of every inch of trail up here.

don't take your frustration with your lack of skills out on me pal.
i think i'd rather you go and find someplace else suitable to your needs.
as i'm not in the day care buisness.

[bizutch]

...
as i'm not in the day care buisness.

"zinger":monkeydance:

[dhbuilder]

"zinger":monkeydance:


i'm not as good at it as you.
maybe when i grow up. :)

[ShawnB]

"Running a day care? Lack of Skills? Place more suitable for my needs? Bragging, ego, and pride. Oh yeah that's why I never talk biking online. I've ridden and will continue to flash 99% of Windrock.

We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view. Lets try to stay focused. Just a few signs here and there for certain sections, not lighting up the place like WalMart.

[Taz]

Wow isn't ridemonkey grand yal? hehehehehehh

[dhbuilder]

"Running a day care? Lack of Skills? Place more suitable for my needs?


with all the whining in your last post, no other conclusion can be drawn.

i mean it was you cryin like a little girl because of a few boards missing off of a bridge.
and blubbering like a coward because of a jump you couldn't hit.
am i wrong ??

and if you felt so strongly about this, why didn't you come bitch to me in person.
i was out there all weekend.

here's the deal.

i won't put up any signs.
and you won't come back here ever again.

[JeffD]

Wow isn't ridemonkey grand yal? hehehehehehh

As grand as a thread on Hcor aboyt you, jon's and Shawn's love triangle :D

[dhbuilder]

he should be congratulated.

in seven years i've had three a.t.v. riders booted.
he's the first mt. biker.

[Taz]

As grand as a thread on Hcor aboyt you, jon's and Shawn's love triangle :D

Ok smartass :)

[Taz]

As grand as a thread on Hcor aboyt you, jon's and Shawn's love triangle :D

A love triangle in which I was the dominatrix. Bye bye bitch :)

[John M]

Quote--"a sign is worthless"
I'm not entirely sure what windrock has against signs, but its time that somebody implements them. Not only are there no warning signs prior to stunts, road gap, broken bridges. There are no signs on the shuttle road to lead you to the trails. For the first timers it's a pain in the ass.
Clearly Windrock is becoming more and more popular and with that comes increased stress on the trails. With that being said there needs to be an increase in safety regulations. If certain sections are washed out and in dire need of repair.....CLOSE THEM. Don't throw some skethcy ass jump to a death landing. And I rode over this thing as it was broken and did notice that the last 3-4 planks were missing. Not cool.

Hey swizzle dick, If you dont like it and think something should be done.... Than do something. Make up some pretty signs and bring them to the rock and put them up. We have all been riding there for years with no problem.(we made friend with the trail builder there and he is our personal trail guide)
The problem with Windrock becoming more popular... Is it brings outs people like yourself. You have posted up 4 posts,and have been to Windrock what?? Once, and YOU are going give the guy thats been out there busting his hump day in and day out for many many years advise on how to run his trail system. I say stay home or ride somewhere else. Leave the man dramma elsewhere. Way to make friends dork- JM

[BKQuill]

Damn you guys, the kid (or guy) was just giving his opinion, if you disagree with him that fine, but no need to belittle him. I don't think signs really need to be posted either, but I think he was just sharing his thoughts (good or bad). I don't think he was trying to start any drama nor do I think he was trying to tell Joey how to run the place.

BTW, what does the number of posts have anything to do with it? Hell John you only have 64!

[ChrisKring]

I think it's funny that someone replaced Butch on Joey's sh1t list.

[ShawnB]

Oh hey John Chimp- I'm already visuallizing the duct tape over your mouth. Guess what I have ridden windrock more times than your mom, so keep your nose out of my post. If this site is the benchmark for # posts=great biker, well little boy keep it up.
You might want to think before you type away.

[John M]

Damn you guys, the kid (or guy) was just giving his opinion, if you disagree with him that fine, but no need to belittle him. I don't think signs really need to be posted either, but I think he was just sharing his thoughts (good or bad). I don't think he was trying to start any drama nor do I think he was trying to tell Joey how to run the place.

BTW, what does the number of posts have anything to do with it? Hell John you only have 64!

Did you read this persons post?? He was telling Joey how to run the place.....(put up signs, close trails) and whats the big deal I am "Just sharing MY thoughts". As far as the post count, It was in referance to the only time he has spoke up was to complain. Personally I think showing up making friends, then try to change the world is the way to go. With 666 post when do you find time to ride you're bike??- JM

[spoke80]

. Guess what I have ridden windrock more times than your mom, so keep your nose out of my post.

Beautiful!

On a side note what's with all the hardcore attitudes its just one guy talking about signs.

I know a quote from a famous band of the late 80's or early 90's will bring everyone back together.

Signs *covered* by Tesla

Signs Signs
Everywhere there's signs
F*cking up the scenery
Breaking my mind
Do this, don't do that
Can't you read the sign

[Basher]

Not taking any sides here but one of the great things about WR is it's ruggedness and the fact that once you drop in you’re on your own. Making it to the bottom unscathed is entirely up to you. You can push as hard as you like and ride/or skip any section of the trail. Signs would take away from that effect not to mention take precious trail building time away from the few doing it. And, I can’t see how anybody can talk about liability when all day long you see idiots on ATVs bombing up and down the road, around blind corners in the wrong lane with out any kind of safety gear on what so ever, hell some of them don’t even wear shirts. When you’re riding you always scan the trail ahead and if you see something sketchy then it’s up to you to decide if it’s worth the risk. In my case it usually is worth the risk and I always accept responsibility if something goes wrong.

[John M]

Oh hey John Chimp- I'm already visuallizing the duct tape over your mouth. Guess what I have ridden windrock more times than your mom, so keep your nose out of my post. If this site is the benchmark for # posts=great biker, well little boy keep it up.
You might want to think before you type away.

You better bring a friend and a lunch, Because duct tapeing me will be a ALL day afair. As far as my mom she has NEVER ridden Windrock.
But you're mom..... she was there and we ALL rode her.
I am the far from "little" or a "boy" and I have survived Windrock plenty and never had to run away crying and snivilling. Maybe that will speak for my great biker skills. I am done with this tread- JM

[Peete]

I know a quote from a famous band of the late 80's or early 90's will bring everyone back together.

Signs by Tesla

Signs Signs
Everywhere there's signs
F*cking up the scenery
Breaking my mind
Do this, don't do that
Can't you read the sign


Actually Tesla covered that song. It was originally written in the early 70's by the Five Man Electrical Band. Damn, I'm old:disgust:

The only sign needed at WR should be placed in the upper parking lot and it should say, "Don't be Stupid!"

[spoke80]

Actually Tesla covered that song. It was originally written in the early 70's by the Five Man Electrical Band. Damn, I'm old:disgust:

The only sign needed at WR should be placed in the upper parking lot and it should say, "Don't be Stupid!"


Awww, more wisdom past down by the elders shining a light for greater personal responsibility. :lighten:

[Stiff]

Hey is it ok with y'all if I delete my post? It's no longer interesting.

[spoke80]

please

[profro]

Less riding and more drinking...


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[spoke80]

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[bizutch]

Oh hey John Chimp- I'm already visuallizing the duct tape over your mouth. Guess what I have ridden windrock more times than your mom, so keep your nose out of my post. If this site is the benchmark for # posts=great biker, well little boy keep it up.
You might want to think before you type away.

Chill Shawn B. It's the e-world. Joey says you can't ride at Windrock...but secretly he wants you to. That way...if you were to ever fall, roll down in the parking lot with a boo boo or something else...he'd feel like he'd accomplised something. 'Yet another victim of the rock" as Joey always says.

Less talk...more hugs...let's ride.

[gayper01]

You have posted up 4 posts,and have been to Windrock what??

Since when dose how many post you made on this bitch board have to do with riding?

This shyte makes me sick!!! There is less drama than this at haw ridge. This constant smack talking makes me want to sell my bike.

[skatetokil]

Look, the point here is that in the absence of a commercial enterprise running windrock, the trailbuilder(s) word goes. If its too sketchy for you, don't ride it. Some of the stuff I build for my own use and the use of my friends might not pass muster at a resort, but I better not hear any complaints unless I also see a shovel in your hand.

Be a contributor to the trails rather than a leech. If you think it's important to alert people to upcoming stunts, you can go and tie caution tape around trees for a few hours. I doubt Joey will stop you, but he's probably got a better use in mind for that time.

[dhbuilder]

thanks guys.

[schnarfyschnarf]

to the swizzle dick commenter and joey,why dont you guys chill your old nerves for a sec . all he asked for was some sighns, very reasonable.
why is windrock and or joey above questioning? as far as i can tell joey got nasty on here, not the guy asking for sighns.
it is 100 percent logistical and inexspensive to put up a small yellow sighn saying around this corner is a 20 foot creek gap that you cant see from up above, ride with caution.
and where do you get off thinking you can ban anyone from riding for an argument that you(joey) escalated , online of all places too. dont let your pride get in theway of the fact that your a 50 year old man, you should be the one seeing the practicality of people offering advice, especially when someone got hurt on your jump on your trails.
the level of arrogance on this board is uncalled for. everybodys a tough guy online, but stop and think about your response for a sec. the dh community should be coming together, not bickering and banning just to be right

[dhbuilder]

Not taking any sides here but one of the great things about WR is it's ruggedness and the fact that once you drop in you’re on your own. Making it to the bottom unscathed is entirely up to you. You can push as hard as you like and ride/or skip any section of the trail. Signs would take away from that effect not to mention take precious trail building time away from the few doing it. And, I can’t see how anybody can talk about liability when all day long you see idiots on ATVs bombing up and down the road, around blind corners in the wrong lane with out any kind of safety gear on what so ever, hell some of them don’t even wear shirts. When you’re riding you always scan the trail ahead and if you see something sketchy then it’s up to you to decide if it’s worth the risk. In my case it usually is worth the risk and I always accept responsibility if something goes wrong.

hey stiff.
don't delete any of this.

because i'd hate to see the above statement disappear.
this wraps it up in a nutshell.

you can't win up here.
i either have someone crying to anyone who might listen, that i'm wussin the place out.
or i have a guy like this saying it's in need of signs so that folks won't get hurt.
and yet nobody seems to be standing next to me at lowes when it's time to lay the plastic down. ($132 just awhile ago. and that doesn't count the 5gallons of gas i'll be buying for the pre-mix for this weekend.)

[DVNT]

to the swizzle dick commenter and joey,why dont you guys chill your old nerves for a sec . all he asked for was some sighns, very reasonable.
dude chill out. no need to escalate things.

why is windrock and or joey above questioning?
Because the guy doing the shoveling makes the rules. It's called universal trail etiquette and respect.

it is 100 percent logistical and inexspensive
Not when it's coming out of his own pocket.

to put up a small yellow sighn saying around this corner is a 20 foot creek gap that you cant see from up above, ride with caution.
you can see if from a good distance.

and where do you get off thinking you can ban anyone from riding for an argument that you(joey) escalated , online of all places too. dont let your pride get in theway of the fact that your a 50 year old man, you should be the one seeing the practicality of people offering advice

again what exactly are you trying to accomplish here? Are you working towards a constructive solution or adding to the problem?

especially when someone got hurt on your jump on your trails.
So now you acknowledge his trail stewardship which you previously said he had no right to ban anyone, at the same time you are implying he's accountable for someone else's misfortune. Think about it. All they are saying is hold yourself accountable for your own actions. Not some lack of a sign to remind you you're riding some of the toughest trails on east coast.

the level of arrogance on this board is uncalled for. everybodys a tough guy online, but stop and think about your response for a sec. the dh community should be coming together, not bickering and banning just to be right
Exactly right.
This forum sucks and is quickly becoming far worse than pinkbike.

I hope the orignial poster deletes this abortion of a thread.
i'm outta here

[BKQuill]

With 666 post when do you find time to ride you're bike??- JM

Only when you guys make the trip down twice a year.:cheers:

[ShawnB]

Wow- I never imagined it would be this simple to get everybody's panties in a wad over a few suggestions. I pay my 15$ every visit and overall I love the challenge that windrock offers. But if I present a concern don't fire back with that predictable self-aggrandising glory gab.

No one on this post knows me and therefore good luck with whole banning, forbiddance, prohibition from windrock.

[BKQuill]

Wow- I never imagined it would be this simple to get everybody's panties in a wad over a few suggestions. I pay my 15$ every visit and overall I love the challenge that windrock offers. But if I present a concern don't fire back with that predictable self-aggrandising glory gab.

While I sort of agree that the harshness that was thrown your way was a little excessive, you do need to keep in mind that it's not good to keep throwing gas on the fire. And maybe if you would have choose your words better, it would have been met with better results.

No one on this post knows me and therefore good luck with whole banning, forbiddance, prohibition from windrock.

Now your just asking for an ass-whopping by challenging Joey that way. My guess is your first name is Shawn and your last starts with a B. Now how hard do you think that it is for Joey to go down and pull your info from sign up shack?

[bizutch]

..

Now your just asking for an ass-whopping by challenging Joey that way. My guess is your first name is Shawn and your last starts with a B. Now how hard do you think that it is for Joey to go down and pull your info from sign up shack?
yeah especially considering most of the guys who sign the name shawn at the sign up shack can't even write, let alone spell... :thumb:

"samb"
"shwb"
"shawan"
"showa"
"kawasakashan"
"shone"
"shine"
"shawn b"----------->:lighten:

[Greyhound]

Wow- I never imagined it would be this simple to get everybody's panties in a wad over a few suggestions. I pay my 15$ every visit and overall I love the challenge that windrock offers. But if I present a concern don't fire back with that predictable self-aggrandising glory gab.

No one on this post knows me and therefore good luck with whole banning, forbiddance, prohibition from windrock.



Oh man.....Shawn, you just stepped into a pile-o-puddin' my man. I think 90% of the regular South forum participants had this whole thread diagramed out before it even got off the 1st page. :rofl:

Give yourself 100 points if you knew there would be at least 3 bizutch posts that, while on one hand, complimented Joey, but on the other hand, sniped him one or two good times.(Oil & Water, those two).

Give yourself 50 points for each poster who said your skills were the problem, not the trail.

25 Points to be awarded for each Spoke80 and profro post because they absolutely have to post in every thread about Windrock.

A measly 10 points for every panty that got wadded.

Another 25 points for every poster that helps defend your position.(hint: you only get one defense-poster per 3 pages.....)

Now......this is where it gets tricky: Give yourself 10 points every time Joey mentions how much $ he spends out of his pocket. 25 points for every time he mentions how old he is and how he can still ride every trail out there. 30 points go to you if Joey is able to simultaneously compliment bizutch, but yet burn him two posts later. And of course, 10 points every time someone gets told by Joey that he doesn't care what people think about Windrock.


So there ya go, Shawn.......an illustrated guide to every Windrock thread you'll ever read in the South forum. Try not to take it personally, though........A large percentage of the people here in the South forums are really awesome people to ride with and are good people as well. Just understand, we're not big on signage here in the South as a general rule---most of ours have bullet holes in 'em if that helps. :p

Oh.......and give yourself 50 points if you knew I would get burned for making fun of a Windrock thread. :poster_oops:

[Stiff]

The way I look at WR and similar non-commercial spots is that those who build or provide some other service out-vote everyone else. Period. Talk is cheap and internet chat is cheaper.

I also support the idea that the harder the trails, the fewer users there will be, and therefore less time spent maintaining and more time building and riding. On the tracks I've architortured, many (most?) think them unrideable or lacking flow. Well, fine, I don't take it personally if they don't like, but they can find/build their own, or ride on the bikeclub's neutered XC trails, or they can pay their $37 at Diablo and if lucky can have somewhat of a say there (or not). I love checking out handmade local gravity trails, where you can see the personality and character of them come out in a way that machine or resort trails usually lack (fun as they may be). And that character is rooted in the character of the builders and the land itself.

Windrock lived up to my expectations in those terms but I do have a question about trail closures/openings: how hard would it be for Joey or someone to say to the first trailerload of shuttlers: "ok, before anyone makes a run, you've all got to clear off trail x" and then you all rapidly walk down in one pass opening the track or even tracks. We've done that up here and in previous places I've lived and it works ok.

[Squasher]

Oh man.....Shawn, you just stepped into a pile-o-puddin' my man. I think 90% of the regular South forum participants had this whole thread diagramed out before it even got off the 1st page. :rofl:

Give yourself 100 points if you knew there would be at least 3 bizutch posts that, while on one hand, complimented Joey, but on the other hand, sniped him one or two good times.(Oil & Water, those two).

Give yourself 50 points for each poster who said your skills were the problem, not the trail.

25 Points to be awarded for each Spoke80 and profro post because they absolutely have to post in every thread about Windrock.

A measly 10 points for every panty that got wadded.

Another 25 points for every poster that helps defend your position.(hint: you only get one defense-poster per 3 pages.....)

Now......this is where it gets tricky: Give yourself 10 points every time Joey mentions how much $ he spends out of his pocket. 25 points for every time he mentions how old he is and how he can still ride every trail out there. 30 points go to you if Joey is able to simultaneously compliment bizutch, but yet burn him two posts later. And of course, 10 points every time someone gets told by Joey that he doesn't care what people think about Windrock.


So there ya go, Shawn.......an illustrated guide to every Windrock thread you'll ever read in the South forum. Try not to take it personally, though........A large percentage of the people here in the South forums are really awesome people to ride with and are good people as well. Just understand, we're not big on signage here in the South as a general rule---most of ours have bullet holes in 'em if that helps. :p

Oh.......and give yourself 50 points if you knew I would get burned for making fun of a Windrock thread. :poster_oops:

I haven't laughed that hard in a looooong time.
Well, since last weekend. :biggrin:

http://www.harleydougferguson.com/photos/uso/uso57.jpg

[spoke80]

25 Points to be awarded for each Spoke80 and profro post because they absolutely have to post in every thread about Windrock.



Snap son you got me. Geyhound no doubt knows how much I love the public Windrock beat-downs so here's another 25 pts. I hear that after 1000pts you get one sign.

[bizutch]

...Give yourself 100 points if you knew there would be at least 3 bizutch posts that, while on one hand, complimented Joey, but on the other hand, sniped him one or two good times.(Oil & Water, those two).

....

I'll have you know I snipe everybody. Don't go announcing that I give Joey special treatment. Next thing you know...people will be whispering of inappropriate things...:twitch:

While I'm at it. Here's your snipe of the day. You're an old fart!:busted:

[jvnixon]

Snap son you got me. Geyhound no doubt knows how much I love the public Windrock beat-downs so here's another 25 pts. I hear that after 1000pts you get one sign.

Will the sign say "turn around and go home?"


This thread is pure comedy and entertainment. Just read the entire thing.

[spoke80]

Will the sign say "turn around and go home?"


This thread is pure comedy and entertainment. Just read the entire thing.

Isn't that what this forum is for? Well other than imaginary bannings, swizzle dickery, panty waddings and new guy bashings?

[Jeremy R]

Isn't that what this forum is for? Well, other than imaginary bannings, panty waddings and new guy bashings?


The South Forum

Where people talk $hit all week long and then ride together on the weekend.

[BKQuill]

The South Forum

Where people talk $hit all week long and then ride together on the weekend.

Isn't that how it's done everywhere? You broken-off bastard!
How you healing up anyway?

[motomike]

I only read windrock threads after they get to the 5th page, and this one is golden.

[Jeremy R]

Isn't that how it's done everywhere? You broken-off bastard!
How you healing up anyway?

Well, I am shooting you a bird, but I am having to hold up three fingers.:clapping:
Ha, it doesn't hurt, but this cast stuff is for the birds.


.....if there had only been a sign that said,
"Hey Dip$hit, don't flip over your handlebars and land on huge boulders.":rofl:

[LOOnatic]

This thread reminds me of this one time at Band Camp..........:homer:

[mpaub1386]

b.t.w.

two good quotes came out of this weekend.

1/
"you guys have any advil ? we've kinda gone through all of ours."

2/
"that's ok, i dont need any armor or full face helmet. i'm walking most of it anyway."

Sadly it seems that the group I was with is getting a lot of recognition on this board.

To Joey: sorry that the guy on the Blur was such an asshole. I was standing their when qoute number 2 was stated and I just had to walk away. I hadnt meet the guy before that trip and he just kind of showed up with someone else so :poster_oops: . Also awesome work with the trails. I showed up with a full-face helmet and shin and knee protection but the place really opened up my eyes. I will certainly have on full armor next time!

And to the guys that tried to follow us up to the top I must apologize as well. Most of us hadnt been there before and we were all at the mercy of the ATV riders who tried to help us out but just confused us even more.

[dhbuilder]

To Joey: sorry that the guy on the Blur was such an asshole. I was standing their when qoute number 2 was stated and I just had to walk away. I hadnt meet the guy before that trip and he just kind of showed up with someone else so :poster_oops:

i know how it is.
you plan a road trip, and the more riders per vehicle the more the cost is defrayed.
but sometimes you get stuck dancing with who ya brought.

sounds like you'll be better prepped for your return trip.

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that's where information can be relayed without :monkeydance: