Gore loves him some electricity or do as I say not as I do.

[DRB]

http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=367

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

And he has a thing for natural gas as well.
Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

[N8]

Flakey flick suffers from Truth decay...

[LordOpie]

*yawn*

What if he uses his home as an office and to entertain influencial people? Maybe the use is justified, but we'll not hear that from partisan sources.

Well, at least he didn't lead us into a war based on a lie based on an agenda of apocalypse.

[N8]

*yawn*

Well, at least he didn't lead us into a war based on a lie based on an agenda of apocalypse.


... good thing that the global jihad is merely a myth.

[fluff]

... good thing that the global jihad is merely a myth.

Global? You really are a sucker.

[$tinkle]

interestingly, i was watching this story get dugg, and subsequently buried, on digg (http://labs.digg.com/bigspy/) throughout the day yesterday.

[LordOpie]

Global? You really are a sucker.

n8 does indeed suck.

[Old Man G Funk]

I believe that Gore buys CO2 credits to offset his usage. We can debate whether that is effective or not, but I thought I would mention it, for full disclosure and all.

[LordOpie]

I believe that Gore buys CO2 credits to offset his usage. We can debate whether that is effective or not, but I thought I would mention it, for full disclosure and all.

"They" don't care about disclosure. Also, most of "them" don't even know what a CO2 credit is.

When my new bro-in-law's sister got married in South America a few months back, her and the groom requested people buy CO2 credits instead of wedding gifts.

[$tinkle]

I believe that Gore buys CO2 credits to offset his usage. We can debate whether that is effective or not, but I thought I would mention it, for full disclosure and all.yeah, i heard the money is used to buy energy efficient camp stoves for starving people in eritrea. not food, mind you...camp stoves

true story. heard it on the internets.

[$tinkle]

When my new bro-in-law's sister got married in South America a few months back, her and the groom requested people buy CO2 credits instead of wedding gifts.were you all "damn. i already gave to the human fund"?

[SkaredShtles]

What ever happened to leading by example? :confused:

[LordOpie]

were you all "damn. i already gave to the human fund"?

Does $15 for "Human League" count?

[Secret Squirrel]

What ever happened to leading by example? :confused:

Wait...wait....wait...hold on....you want what?!?

[LordOpie]

Wait...wait....wait...hold on....you want what?!?

I think he wants us to follow in Jesus', err, GWBush's footsteps.

[SkaredShtles]

Wait...wait....wait...hold on....you want what?!?
I know... I suppose Mr. Gore *needs* a mansion. :D

[Secret Squirrel]

I know... I suppose Mr. Gore *needs* a mansion. :D

I know I do....

[LordOpie]

I know I do....

Hell yeah! With ramps.

[Secret Squirrel]

Hell yeah! With ramps.

And vaccuum tubes...

[SkaredShtles]

And $1000/mo heating bills. :thumb:

[Secret Squirrel]

And $1000/mo heating bills. :thumb:

I pay 250 (could be less...I don't remember exactly...)every 2 months for my natty gas that heats my entire house and water.

Suck it!

[SkaredShtles]

I pay 250 (could be less...I don't remember exactly...)every 2 months for my natty gas that heats my entire house and water.

Suck it!
Yeah - the coldest month this winter resulted in a gas bill of $200. But I live in a mini-mansion. :D

[Dartman]

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

Does he have a grow room in his basement? http://www0.fh-trier.de/~gielj/smilies/rasta.gif

[stevew]

I do believe I heard on the news today that there is construction going on there and that he is having solar panels and sh!t installed.

Not that I like that twat.....

[Changleen]

Oh FFS, he's a multimillionaire. Who cares what his electricity bill is? Isn't it more important he's trying to educate people about this in the first place?

By the way, I buy my power from Meridian Energy who only generate power from renewable sources AND who operate their business carbon neutrally. :smug:

[SkaredShtles]

<snip>
By the way, I buy my power from Meridian Energy who only generate power from renewable sources AND who operate their business carbon neutrally. :smug:
Yeah - but there are more sheep there than humans. :p

[spincrazy]

How N8 of you DRB... sigh.

Yeah, FOX was all over this too...

[sanjuro]

Oh FFS, he's a multimillionaire. Who cares what his electricity bill is? Isn't it more important he's trying to educate people about this in the first place?

By the way, I buy my power from Meridian Energy who only generate power from renewable sources AND who operate their business carbon neutrally. :smug:

Everyone loves a hypocrite...

[$tinkle]

By the way, I buy my power from Meridian Energy who only generate power from renewable sources AND who operate their business carbon neutrally. :smug:yeah, well, winter's coming.

curious, do you have a choice from whom you buy power? we don't.

[ohio]

curious, do you have a choice from whom you buy power? we don't.

Double check that. A good portion of the country DOES indeed have a choice, but it's not promoted or advertised.

[$tinkle]

Double check that. A good portion of the country DOES indeed have a choice, but it's not promoted or advertised.yeah, i thought that was the whole idea behind deregulation, but i've never experienced the fruits of that labor.

to top that, csu (colorado springs utilities) is a non-profit, but keeps jacking up their rates & continues to advertise on t.v.

very strange.

[stinkyboy]

And now the facts... (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/28/olbermann-on-gores-energy-use-setting-the-record-straight/)

[LordOpie]

And now the facts... (http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown-Gore-Energy.mov)

Hey fvcktard, don't be bringing facts in here. It's not appreciated.

[DRB]

Hey fvcktard, don't be bringing facts in here. It's not appreciated.

Yep..

I don't really care if it's right or wrong

[LordOpie]

Yep..

So what was your agenda with this thread?

[fluff]

Trolling

[DRB]

So what was your agenda with this thread?

I wanted to use bad grammar cause its funny.

Or that leading by example should be important.

Or that the release increased the actual electricity usage by a factor of 10.

Or how quickly folks will dismiss things about folks with whom they agree.

But mostly the bad grammar thing.

[$tinkle]

gore is an excellent lead-by-example type, as long as you mean "how can you be a good catholic & throw money to compensate your guilt"

don't tell this to anyone at his baptist church; it would be "inconvenient"

[LordOpie]

So neither of you looked at the above link to see how this is all bullsh!t?

Ok then, have a nice day.

[$tinkle]

So neither of you looked at the above link to see how this is all bullsh!t?

Ok then, have a nice day.you mean the part where dude says the TCPR's claim to being non-partisan is laughable, but is too busy laughing to back it up?

yeah, i read that & more. really, what's the point? it's herr olbermensche

[SkaredShtles]

And now the facts... (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/28/olbermann-on-gores-energy-use-setting-the-record-straight/)
I found it rather amusing that one of the "facts" that they trotted out was that Gore's house is 20 rooms and it includes a guest house. :rofl:

Well that makes it better. :D

[DRB]

So neither of you looked at the above link to see how this is all bullsh!t?

Ok then, have a nice day.

You really should get that stick out of your ass.

[LordOpie]

You really should get that stick out of your ass.

I told you, it's not coming out cuz I'm afraid of you trying to get in.


Oh look, the c0cksucking stalker dhracist showed up. How nice for him.

[DRB]

I told you, it's not coming out cuz I'm afraid of you trying to get in.


Oh look, the c0cksucking stalker dhracist showed up. How nice for him.

You aren't funny like you used to be.

[N8]

algore is the president of suck.

[DRB]

Maybe he could sell that environment hating heap he lives in now and buy something like this

The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude.
Geothermal heat pumps located in a central closet circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground where the temperature is a constant 67 degrees; the water heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. Systems such as the one in this "eco-friendly" dwelling use about 25% of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize.

A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof runs; wastewater from sinks, toilets and showers goes into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is used to irrigate the landscaping surrounding the four-bedroom home. Plants and flowers native to the high prairie area blend the structure into the surrounding ecosystem.

[N8]

Maybe he could sell that environment hating heap he lives in now and buy something like this

i've actually been involved with geothermal design... they do work quite well. the technology is 50 years old now

[narlus]

bring it over to cheney's mansion...$186,000 spent on electricity in 2001? holy christ...

[N8]

bring it over to cheney's mansion...$186,000 spent on electricity in 2001? holy christ...

avg elec bill for just about anyone in the people's republik of DC

aside from that... who was it that lived there for the previos 8 years prior to Cheney again..???

[$tinkle]

am i the only one here who recognizes DRB is trolling (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/02/is_george_bush.php)

[fluff]

no345

[Westy]

I wonder what Dan Quayle pays for electricity?

[LordOpie]

I wonder what Dan Quayle pays for electricity?

small potatoes

[$tinkle]

he blew all his spelling bee money on golf lessons.

edit: ** damn you, ope!! **

[Changleen]

yeah, well, winter's coming.

curious, do you have a choice from whom you buy power? we don't.Yup. I think we did too when we lived in Cali... I didn't pay the bill when I lived in AZ so I don't know about that.

[Old Man G Funk]

avg elec bill for just about anyone in the people's republik of DC



When I lived just across the river, I was paying about $60/month. Smaller house by far, but still, c'mon.

[valve bouncer]

Well given that making your house energy efficient is expensive in the beginning it seems that the rich should be taking the lead here simply because they can. How about a law where any house over a certain size must use energy effecient and/or environmentally sustainable practices? I have a lot energy saving devices in my house, brought the cost up but the other end is that my electricity bill is three quarters what it was in my old apartment despite the house being twice the size.

[stevew]

The fact that n8 is more than likely building houses that are more energy efficient than the ones most of the posters in this thread are currently living in is kind of amusing.

Carry on prancing about telling everyone how much you care about the enviorment.

[valve bouncer]

The fact that n8 is more than likely building houses that are more energy efficient than the ones most of the posters in this thread are currently living in is kind of amusing.

Carry on prancing about telling everyone how much you care about the enviorment.
Speak for yourself......bugger me every bastard seems to be on the rag around here. What's wrong?:plthumbsdown:

[stevew]

Speak for yourself......bugger me every bastard seems to be on the rag around here. What's wrong?:plthumbsdown:
How am I on the rag?

It was said with tongue in cheek.

[fluff]

I would love to build myself a new home, using sustainable materials, renewable energy sources etc, but the cost is astronomical in the UK. It remains a goal, but for most people it is utterly unachievable.

I have stopped printing every thread here though.

[fluff]

Speak for yourself......bugger me every bastard seems to be on the rag around here. What's wrong?:plthumbsdown:

Easy tiger... methinks thou art a little sensitive thyself today my olde mucker.

[valve bouncer]

Easy tiger... methinks thou art a little sensitive thyself today my olde mucker.I AM VERY F*CKING RELAXED THANK YOU VERY BLOODY MUCH:twitch:

[SkaredShtles]

<snip>

I have stopped printing every thread here though.
Baby steps, man... baby steps. :D

[LordOpie]

How about a law where any house over a certain size must use energy effecient and/or environmentally sustainable practices?

Very approved.

[narlus]

The fact that n8 is more than likely building houses that are more energy efficient than the ones most of the posters in this thread are currently living in is kind of amusing.

Carry on prancing about telling everyone how much you care about the enviorment.

probably true, but then again i'm guessing that most people don't like in a new house.

it's kinda like the difference between driving a 20 y/o car and a new one. unfortunately, it's harder to swap houses than cars.

that said, we replaced our windows and our boiler in the last few years, and use radiant heat for the newer addition.

[fluff]

probably true, but then again i'm guessing that most people don't like in a new house.

it's kinda like the difference between driving a 20 y/o car and a new one. unfortunately, it's harder to swap houses than cars.

that said, we replaced our windows and our boiler in the last few years, and use radiant heat for the newer addition.

Of course you have to factor in the pollution caused by manufacture. Most cars pollute less in use than in manufacture.

[$tinkle]

Of course you have to factor in the pollution caused by manufacture. Most cars pollute less in use than in manufacture.???
a car is rather passive before it's pushed off the assembly line, no?
perhaps you meant the process of manufacturing, which if even, would be distributed across all vehicles for the lifetime of the machinery.

** edit to add **
would this not be more egregious for mass transit vehicles?

[valve bouncer]

???
a car is rather passive before it's pushed off the assembly line, no?
perhaps you meant the process of manufacturing, which if even, would be distributed across all vehicles for the lifetime of the machinery.
Perhaps he meant producing of all the metal etc that makes up cars. After all rubber doesn't grow on trees you know.

[narlus]

well i think he's talking about mining the metal to make both the parts and the robotics, making the electricity to power the factory, energy used in the distribution, etc.

[fluff]

???
a car is rather passive before it's pushed off the assembly line, no?
perhaps you meant the process of manufacturing, which if even, would be distributed across all vehicles for the lifetime of the machinery.

** edit to add **
would this not be more egregious for mass transit vehicles?

Apparently it creates more pollution to manufacture a car than most cars generate in the lifetime of use. Ergo upgrading your car every few years is more polluting than using a 20 year old model.

[fluff]

After all rubber doesn't grow on trees you know.

Class. Back on form, had a quick five knuckle shuffle?

[$tinkle]

look, i yield to noone when it comes to disdain for our overindulgent lifestyles, but i don't think it's wise to suppress technological gains all in the name of so-called conservation. if we are to upgrade technology for the benefit of more greeny efficiency, it should then follow we upgrade our cars, windows in our houses, appliances, and of course bikes (if any of you weanies actually ride).

[narlus]

(if any of you weanies actually ride).

how many threads have you started in the Ride Reports forum? :twitch:

[$tinkle]

how many threads have you started in the Ride Reports forum? :twitch:i much prefer to masturbate to an audience of one.

[narlus]

dog food is getting expensive. good cost-cutting measure.

[ohio]

How about a law where any house over a certain size must use energy effecient and/or environmentally sustainable practices?

Carrot and stick, not shackles, my friend. We've taken baby steps in the form of subsidizing greener methods, materials, and technologies to reduce the cost difference. Benefits both the rich and the poor, as well as helping manufacturers of greener products ramp up production numbers and R&D to reduce costs.

Next step would be to tax certain materials/methods (e.g. electric heaters, high flow showerheads/toilets, hardwoods, etc.) and higher utility bills. Think of a gas guzzler tax on houses. People would flip their ****, and you'd have to probably grandfather most houses in (or help pay for major upgrades) but it's not that a tough calculation to figure out how much to tax and which techs to subsidize.

[$tinkle]

And now the facts... (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/28/olbermann-on-gores-energy-use-setting-the-record-straight/)from this site:I have no problem with "think-tanks" scrutinizing Al Gore, but (a) for The Tennessee Center for Policy Research to call itself an independent and nonpartisan organization is laughable and (b) if they want to maintain that facade, try getting the full story at least.emph mine.

the tennessean (http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070227/NEWS01/702270382)Gore purchased 108 blocks of "green power" for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills.

"They, of course, also do the carbon emissions offset," [Kalee Krider, a spokeswoman for Gore] said.

That means figuring out how much carbon is emitted from home power use, and vehicle and plane travel, then paying for projects that will offset that with use of renewable energy, such as solar power.

Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe, she said.to be sure, his hands are clean, if only because they wash each other.

he is indeed a profit of doom

[LordOpie]

Gore is profiting off of a business he owns through which he buys clean power?

Let's contrast that with Bush friends profiting off of the blood of soldiers.


I'm so glad this Gore-issue has been brought to the foreground of news coverage.

[N8]

I would love to build myself a new home, using sustainable materials, renewable energy sources etc, but the cost is astronomical in the UK. It remains a goal, but for most people it is utterly unachievable.

I have stopped printing every thread here though.

reason #487,453,987,999 why America kicks ASS!

[narlus]

at least the unpopulated sh~tholes of america...but they've got a larger number in the debit column...

[N8]

at least the unpopulated sh~tholes of america...but they've got a larger number in the debit column...

we all know you are really french.

[narlus]

n8, i can honestly say that france has the best downhill riding i've ever done.

[MMike]

n8, i can honestly say that france has the best downhill riding i've ever done.

He rides XC on a 29er...in Louisiana! you think that means ANYTHING to him??

[N8]

He rides XC on a 29er...in Louisiana! you think that means ANYTHING to him??

and you.... you're french-canadian.


:disgust1:

[MMike]

tabarnac t'es une plotte......

[$tinkle]

uhhh...am i the only one here who recognizes Louisiana is the frenchiest french state?

[narlus]

uhhh...am i the only one here who recognizes Louisiana is the frenchiest french state?

yeah but nate will claim he's actually just a wetback.

[Changleen]

No France = No America.

[N8]

yeah but nate will claim he's actually just a wetback.

no habla

[$tinkle]

Gore is profiting off of a business he owns through which he buys clean power?

Let's contrast that with Bush friends profiting off of the blood of soldiers.wrong george, el-oh-el:

george soros bought 2 million shares of halliburton (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/3776)

i don't mind you eating out of my hand, but it's starting to feel like i'm feeding a horse, which makes me chub.

[N8]

looks like one of algore's companies sells him the carbon credits for his mansion... and they them exclusively to him.



:rolleyes:

[fluff]

and they them exclusively to him.


It's a tricky thing, language. Now I understand why you cut'n'paste so much.

[LordOpie]

So we're still saying that this equates to Bush getting 40,000 people killed?

[fluff]

So we're still saying that this equates to Bush getting 40,000 people killed?

Is Bush buying collateral damage credits from himself?

[LordOpie]

Is Bush buying collateral damage credits from himself?

approved.

[$tinkle]

Is Bush buying collateral damage credits from himself?in petrodollars, naturally.

[N8]

algore aims to profit from the global warming hysteria...

here's his company: http://www.generationim.com/



LOL! check out this bit from it's website:

While we are still a small firm with only 23 employees, Generation is committed to reducing the energy use of operations, both direct and indirect. We do this by minimizing non-essential air travel and by managing our building operations (lighting, recycling, and procurement). We have also had conversations with suppliers about energy efficiency. For the remainder of our carbon footprint, we work with two offset providers (The Chicago Climate Exchange and the CarbonNeutral Company) to ensure our London and Washington D.C. offices are fully carbon neutral. In addition, Generation has sponsored a full energy efficiency audit for each employee's residence, including suggestions for ways they can make home energy improvements.


:rofl:

[N8]

algore bump!

http://new-federalist.com/other/2007/3413carbon_swindle.html

Look behind—if you dare—Al Gore and his science hoax, and you find the very same London-centered oligarchical financial crew that drove the 2003-2006 oil and commodity price increase, amidst the bubbles and hyperinflation that characterize the breakdown-phase of the financial system. The centerpiece of the U.S. emerging market for carbon emissions trading, is the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX), created in 2003 as a "voluntary," or pilot agency, part of a London-based network positioned to reproduce the oil bubble on a scale orders of magnitude greater and more dangerous, while at the same time, destroying what's left of the physical economy.

[N8]

algore is a big fat user...

i sure hope to god obama picks him for an adviser on Global Warming (that's change we call believe in!)... :p



http://tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=764


Energy Guzzled by Al Gore’s Home in Past Year Could Power 232 U.S. Homes for a Month
Gore’s personal electricity consumption up 10%, despite “energy-efficient” home renovations

NASHVILLE - In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President’s home energy use surged more than 10%, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.

“A man’s commitment to his beliefs is best measured by what he does behind the closed doors of his own home,” said Drew Johnson, President of the Tennessee Center for Policy Research. “Al Gore is a hypocrite and a fraud when it comes to his commitment to the environment, judging by his home energy consumption.”

In the past year, Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month.

In February 2007, An Inconvenient Truth, a film based on a climate change speech developed by Gore, won an Academy Award for best documentary feature. The next day, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research uncovered that Gore’s Nashville home guzzled 20 times more electricity than the average American household.

After the Tennessee Center for Policy Research exposed Gore’s massive home energy use, the former Vice President scurried to make his home more energy-efficient. Despite adding solar panels, installing a geothermal system, replacing existing light bulbs with more efficient models, and overhauling the home’s windows and ductwork, Gore now consumes more electricity than before the “green” overhaul.

Since taking steps to make his home more environmentally-friendly last June, Gore devours an average of 17,768 kWh per month –1,638 kWh more energy per month than before the renovations – at a cost of $16,533. By comparison, the average American household consumes 11,040 kWh in an entire year, according to the Energy Information Administration.

In the wake of becoming the most well-known global warming alarmist, Gore won an Oscar, a Grammy and the Nobel Peace Prize. In addition, Gore saw his personal wealth increase by an estimated $100 million thanks largely to speaking fees and investments related to global warming hysteria.

“Actions speak louder than words, and Gore’s actions prove that he views climate change not as a serious problem, but as a money-making opportunity,” Johnson said. “Gore is exploiting the public’s concern about the environment to line his pockets and enhance his profile.”

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, a Nashville-based free market think tank and watchdog organization, obtained information about Gore’s home energy use through a public records request to the Nashville Electric Service.

[syadasti]

Their figures don't compare per renovation and post renovation of the periods (ie dec06-may07 vs dec07-may08 - 40% lower claimed below) so their data isn't very useful.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/NEWS0201/806180403/1009/news01

Former Vice President Al Gore's Belle Meade house is bristling with solar panels and energy-efficient light bulbs.

How could his utility bills possibly be going up?

That's the claim by the watchdog libertarians at the Tennessee Center for Policy Research, who obtained a copy of Gore's electric bills for the past year and discovered that his household used 10 percent more electricity than the previous year. This despite extensive and Earth-friendly renovations that earned the 80-year-old house a gold certification from the U.S. Green Building Council.

But Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider scoffs at the claim. The Gores' utility bills have gone down 40 percent since the green retrofit, she said, thanks largely to their new geothermal heating and cooling system, which cut their natural gas bills by 90 percent.

Geothermal systems rely on the stable temperatures of the earth or groundwater beneath a home to power its heating and cooling systems. The Gores' system heats and cools the home and its hot water heater, Kreider said.
Gores use green power

As for the increase in the electric bill, Kreider said that the three-year renovation on the home wasn't complete until November, so it's a bit early to attempt a before-and-after comparison. In addition, the Gores participate in the Nashville Electric Service's Green Power Switch program, which allows them to buy their electricity from renewable sources like wind power, solar power or methane gas.

"When they do use power, it's green power," she said, adding that 33 solar panels also supply about 4 percent of the household's power needs.
Hot-air balloon planned

The think tank's press release wasn't the only swipe at Gore on Tuesday. The global warming skeptics of the group Americans for Prosperity announced plans to float a 70-foot-tall hot air balloon over his house on Friday.

"We're making inquiries" to see whether the balloon launch violates any local ordinances, Kreider said.

[N8]

lol @ 4% solar...

[Echo]

It's definitely a lot easier to bitch about Al Gore's hypocrisy than to do anything about your own energy comsumption.

[N8]

It's definitely a lot easier to bitch about Al Gore's hypocrisy than to do anything about your own energy comsumption.

tell us about it

[stevew]

It's definitely a lot easier to bitch about Al Gore's hypocrisy than to do anything about your own energy comsumption.
Instead of flying everywhere for speeches, why doesn't he just do them via satellite?

You know........reducing your carbon footprint and all that bullsh*t.

Not bitching, just saying.

[sanjuro]

What a f****** hypocrite.

[N8]

so i see he's not buying green power... but the attributes of green power..

what a dork.

:p

[ohio]

What a f****** hypocrite.

Yeah, he's nothing like GW with that sweet eco-friendly ranch in TX.

The Iraq war is responsible for at least 141 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent (MMTCO2e) since March 2003. To put this in perspective, CO2 released by the war to date equals the emissions from putting 25 million more cars on the road in the US this year. (priceofoil.org)

[Lowlight7]

I wasn't aware Bush had ever claimed to be a lover of the environment, savior of the caribou, et al. I'm pretty sure this was covered in the debates back in 2000.

Check my math here: His utility bills are down 40%, so he's only using 12x the energy of the average home instead of 20x?

[stevew]

The Iraq war is responsible for at least 141 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent (MMTCO2e) since March 2003. To put this in perspective, CO2 released by the war to date equals the emissions from putting 25 million more cars on the road in the US this year. (priceofoil.org)
How does this compare with something that occurs naturally, like a volcanic eruption?

[ohio]

How does this compare with something that occurs naturally, like a volcanic eruption?

How it compares is an eruption occurs naturally and a war does not.


Seriously, if you think fossil fuel emissions are a problem relative to natural events, then so is this war. If you're going to start arguing the validity of man-made global warming, go **** off to some other thread and jerk off the creationists.

[N8]

How it compares is an eruption occurs naturally and a war does not.


Seriously, if you think fossil fuel emissions are a problem relative to natural events, then so is this war. If you're going to start arguing the validity of man-made global warming, go **** off to some other thread and jerk off the creationists.

:yawn:


sleepy time now..

[Westy]

How does this compare with something that occurs naturally, like a volcanic eruption?


We have the ability to control what we do. Controlling volcanoes, not so much.

[syadasti]

Wired recently had a climate change issue:

http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_intro

Just as sticking with your dirty old used car and running it into the ground is better for the earth than buying a new one, I bet keeping a 80 year old mansion and improving it is better than knocking it down and building an all new "eco" mansion.

[N8]

Wired recently had a climate change issue:

http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/16-06/ff_heresies_intro

Just as sticking with your dirty old used car and running it into the ground is better for the earth than buying a new one, I bet keeping a 80 year old mansion and improving it is better than knocking it down and building an all new "eco" mansion.


it's an algore suckfest!

[DHRFX Joe]

lol @ 4% solar...

Given the current efficiency of solar energy, 4% ain't all that bad for Al Gore's house.

[SkaredShtles]

We have the ability to control what we do. Controlling volcanoes, not so much.
We need to figure that out. Maybe put a power plant and some clean smokestacks on the volcanoes. Imagine all the energy we could harness!

:monkey: