8 hours and 13 minutes until MACWORLD!

[BigMike]

I don't know why i'm excited really, guess i'm just a big ol' nerd and like seeing new stuff!

And i'm in the market for a Mac Pro, and it'd be nice if they did somthing new with them, or lowered the price or somthing ;)

[Transcend]

I don't know why i'm excited really, guess i'm just a big ol' nerd and like seeing new stuff!

And i'm in the market for a Mac Pro, and it'd be nice if they did somthing new with them, or lowered the price or somthing ;)

They may go 8 proc with the top model, but that would be a surprise. Macworld SF is usually about the gadgets and the major consumer models, not the "pro" style hardware.

The Wall Street Journal is now reporting that Jobs "oh, one more thing" is definitely a cell phone with cingular.

[SkaredShtles]

http://www0.fh-trier.de/~gielj/smilies/wank.gif :p

[Transcend]

...and away we go!

[binary visions]

Steve Jobs must be creaming his pants at all the Mac geeks lined up and clamoring for the next product he can overcharge for :D

[narlus]

Jobs...the executive implicated in two stock option/back-dating scandals (apple and disney)...

[stinkyboy]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/dsc_0175.jpg

[stinkyboy]

My next phone:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/dsc_0182.jpg

[stinkyboy]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/dsc_0184.jpg

[stinkyboy]

It's official, "smart" phones are dead.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/dsc_0186.jpg

[I Are Baboon]

Those are all stolen ideas.

[stinkyboy]

10:04am - "We want to reinvent the phone. What's the killer app? The killer app is making calls! It's amazing how hard it is to make calls on most phones. We want to let you use contacts like never before -- sync your iPhone with your PC or mac. Visual voicemail -- wouldn't it be great if you didn't have to listen to five of them to list to the sixth? Just like email you can go directly to the voicemails that interest you. iPhone is a quad-band GSM + EDGE phone." No 3G! "We have WiFi and Bluetooth 2.0"

[stinkyboy]

I wish I hadn't bought a Razr

:clapping:

[mud'n'sweat]

^^hehe^^

[stinkyboy]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/dsc_0203.jpg

[I Are Baboon]

You guys are all suckers to fancy advertising.

[Silver]

First fully usable web browser? That's odd, the Nokia E62 has a decent one that is more than usable.

What's the price on this new gadget? I'm guessing $600 with a 2 year contract with Cingular, and the suckers will line right up...mind you, if it's less than $300, I may be one of those suckers...

[stinkyboy]

What's the price on this new gadget? I'm guessing $600 with a 2 year contract with Cingular, and the suckers will line right up...mind you, if it's less than $300, I may be one of those suckers...


Many people will line up to be first, but wait for V2 and you've got something. Know anybody that still has a first generation iPod?

[stinkyboy]

I freaking hate my Razr!

:monkeydance:

[Silver]

Many people will line up to be first, but wait for V2 and you've got something. Know anybody that still has a first generation iPod?

Me. And since my fourth generation ipod died over Christmas, I'm using it...

[ElTORO]

For a 4GB model we're pricing it at $499 -- no premium whatsoever.

"We're going to have an 8GB model for just $599, 2YEAR contract.

[Silver]

For a 4GB model we're pricing it at $499 -- no premium whatsoever.

"We're going to have an 8GB model for just $599, 2YEAR contract.

Ahh...my razr will do just fine, thanks.

[stinkyboy]

Razr's were $500 at first.

They'll be a couple hundie soon enough.

[goofy]

The price tag is steep and I personally don't see the price going down Apple doesn't lower the price of products they just replace them with new and if time it right can get a slight discount on the old stuff.

Imho I think it was a bad move for them to only go with cingular since reading Consumer Reports issue with cellphones and plans and Cingular was rated very low in service.

[narlus]

Razr's were $500 at first.

They'll be a couple hundie soon enough.

slowing sales of the razr are one reason why motorola's hurting a bit. doubtful that we'll see big price cuts in 'em.

[stinkyboy]

slowing sales of the razr are one reason why motorola's hurting a bit. doubtful that we'll see big price cuts in 'em.

You can get them for less than $200 now.

[I Are Baboon]

I paid $129 for my Razr a couple of months (?) ago with a two year contract extension with Verizon.. I just use it for making calls and texting though. If I'm going to pay to download a song, I might as well just do it from iTunes.

[binary visions]

You can quite often get paid up to $75 to buy a Razr if you wait for the right rebates. Hell, some phones you can get paid $200 for. That's like 6 months of your contract, free.

[stinkyboy]

See what I mean. iPhone will add more features, storage and of course colors (I already want a white one) and prices will drop.

[Transcend]

The price tag is steep and I personally don't see the price going down Apple doesn't lower the price of products they just replace them with new and if time it right can get a slight discount on the old stuff.

Imho I think it was a bad move for them to only go with cingular since reading Consumer Reports issue with cellphones and plans and Cingular was rated very low in service.

They aren't. It's an unlocked GSM device. Cingular just happens to be their partner network to get deals. The 499/599 prices are WITHOUT contracts, through the apple store.

[ElTORO]

They aren't. It's an unlocked GSM device. Cingular just happens to be their partner network to get deals. The 499/599 prices are WITHOUT contracts, through the apple store.

I thought the $499. had no contract but the $599. came with a two-year from cingular. I'm prob. wrong.

[Transcend]

I thought the $499. had no contract but the $599. came with a two-year from cingular. I'm prob. wrong.

Not from what I understood from the keynote, but hey, who knows. I'll be getting it from the apple store in june to use on my rogers setup here in Canada.

[ElTORO]

Not from what I understood from the keynote, but hey, who knows. I'll be getting it from the apple store in june to use on my rogers setup here in Canada.

Do you have the link to the keynote? I lost my link, it was on here but I think someone took it down. Thanks!

[Superdeft]

Even if these cost $7-800 w/o a contract, it's still a steal considering what the thing can do, and the elegance and ease with which it allows you to do it. Also keep in mind this puppy is 7 months away and a lot can change between now and then.

[N8]

They aren't. It's an unlocked GSM device. Cingular just happens to be their partner network to get deals. The 499/599 prices are WITHOUT contracts, through the apple store.

it isn't clear if these phone are locked or not...

what is clear is that they will only be available from Apple Stores and Cingular

[stinkyboy]

There are many reports that this phone will be sold unlocked.

Do a search goob.

[N8]

There are many reports that this phone will be sold unlocked.

Do a search goob.

http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/4314

[goofy]

They aren't. It's an unlocked GSM device. Cingular just happens to be their partner network to get deals. The 499/599 prices are WITHOUT contracts, through the apple store.

The problem for me my carrier is cdma so I couldn't get one anyway

[untitledsince89]

The price tag is steep and I personally don't see the price going down Apple doesn't lower the price of products they just replace them with new and if time it right can get a slight discount on the old stuff.

Imho I think it was a bad move for them to only go with cingular since reading Consumer Reports issue with cellphones and plans and Cingular was rated very low in service.

oh so wrong:plthumbsdown:
my 2nd gen 20gb i-pod was 400$ from circuit city, no color screne no pictures no videos, jack, just music

now 30gb video i-pod from 280$

[ZoRo]

oh so wrong:plthumbsdown:
my 2nd gen 20gb i-pod was 400$ from circuit city, no color screne no pictures no videos, jack, just music

now 30gb video i-pod from 280$


Exactly. iPhone is the big thing now; of course, the Keynote was yesterday. Wait a year or two, it will go down and different models will show up with different features, price, etc.

As for the actual iPhone, and this maybe a noob smartphone question, but suppose you only have the device without being activated with mobile access, will go on the web ONLY with WiFi or does it need to be connected to a network such as Cingular or Rogers here in Canada ?

[N8]

There are many reports that this phone will be sold unlocked.

Do a search goob.


i cant find where its being sold unlocked. i can only see speculation it may be but nothing definate.

enlighten moi...

:monkey:

[Transcend]

You shoudl actually read the content in threads that YOU post.

In releasing the iPhone, Apple could start to break the stranglehold that Cingular and other cell phone carriers have on the cell phone hardware business by offering a phone that's not locked to work only with a specific carrier's service.

It isn't speculation, Apple has mentioned numerous times that it will be sold unlocked and useable on any GSM carrier. Hell, they even said before the phone was released that if they were ever to do such a thing, it would be unlocked.

[Transcend]

Exactly. iPhone is the big thing now; of course, the Keynote was yesterday. Wait a year or two, it will go down and different models will show up with different features, price, etc.

As for the actual iPhone, and this maybe a noob smartphone question, but suppose you only have the device without being activated with mobile access, will go on the web ONLY with WiFi or does it need to be connected to a network such as Cingular or Rogers here in Canada ?

You use your own network connection. ie: you use the sim card from your rogers account in it.

[narlus]

You can get them for less than $200 now.

people pay $200 for a phone?

[N8]

"Jesus came back, and he's a phone now"



:p

[BigMike]

From what I got in the Keynote, its going to be a Cingular ONLY phone. Steve said they had been working with Cingular for two years on this project, and that the voice mail on command thing is a Cingular network thing. I really doubt they would jump ship and sell and unlocked GSM model.

Now, can the hackers out there figure out a way to unlock it once it hits the market, probably, but that, we will have to wait and see.

And to watch the Keynote, check it out here: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/appleevents/

[N8]

From what I got in the Keynote, its going to be a Cingular ONLY phone. Steve said they had been working with Cingular for two years on this project, and that the voice mail on command thing is a Cingular network thing. I really doubt they would jump ship and sell and unlocked GSM model.

Now, can the hackers out there figure out a way to unlock it once it hits the market, probably, but that, we will have to wait and see.

And to watch the Keynote, check it out here: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/appleevents/



Does Sprint even have a GSM network anyway..???

[Transcend]

My brother works for a mac securtity company in Vegas, and was at the keynote. He had about 5 mins hands on with the phone late yesterday, and according the Apple it WILL be an unlocked device, but the sale in June will only be from cingular (with minimum 2 year contract - there is NO discount to cingular business accounts, or with contract) with the apple store following about 8 weeks later.

So, it is unlocked, get it from cingular first, and if you get it from cingular first, be prepared to pay fullprice and shell out for a 2 year commitment.

[N8]

My brother works for a mac securtity company in Vegas, and was at the keynote. He had about 5 mins hands on with the phone late yesterday, and according the Apple it WILL be an unlocked device, but the sale in June will only be from cingular (with minimum 2 year contract - there is NO discount to cingular business accounts, or with contract) with the apple store following about 8 weeks later.

So, it is unlocked, get it from cingular first, and if you get it from cingular first, be prepared to pay fullprice and shell out for a 2 year commitment.

Hummm... i guess CNN is saying that no other CELL PHONE carrier will have the iPHONE before 2009.. leaving it open to other sellers???


http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/09/technology/apple_jobs/index.htm?cnn=yes

Cingular, a unit of AT&T, will be Apple's sole U.S. partner. It's an exclusive multiyear agreement, which means no other carrier will be able to sell the iPhone through 2009.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242840,00.html

That leads into the iPhone's two potential Achilles heels.

First, it's locked to Cingular. Apple may have decided to revolutionize mobile technology, but they're sticking with the same old, tired, exclusionary, carrier-locked business model.

Americans don't typically change carriers for individual phones, because carriers' coverage and rate plans vary so sharply, and people buy for coverage first.

Making the iPhone a Cingular exclusive locks out more than 100 million wireless users who prefer Verizon Wireless's network, Sprint's prices or T-Mobile's customer service.

Case in point: One Mac-friendly PC Magazine editor I know said, "Damn Verizon to hell!" when I mentioned the iPhone to him.

Translation: He wants the iPhone. He needs the iPhone. But he isn't willing to give up Verizon's superior coverage in New York City for it, and I don't think many other people will, either.

That's a deep disappointment, because the concept of the "unlocked phone" is now starting to spread in the U.S., thanks to a recent Copyright Office ruling.

Unlocking phones puts power in the hands of manufacturers and consumers, and may give carriers less of a say over phones' software and features. I would have thought Steve Jobs would have embraced that trend.

[Transcend]

Hummm... i guess CNN is saying that no other CELL PHONE carrier will have the iPHONE before 2009.. leaving it open to other sellers???


http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/09/technology/apple_jobs/index.htm?cnn=yes





http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242840,00.html

Yup, Apple mentioned that in the keynote. Cingular is their only carrier partner, and will be for the forseeable future. The rep actually mentioned the same thing to my brother - no phones to other carriers for 12 months minimum, only option for non-cingular members will be the apple store.

Edit: apple has said it will be unlocked, and foxnews isn't a valid news source.

[SkaredShtles]

people pay $200 for a phone?
<shrug>

I just got one today for free to replace my old Motorola & the "calling plan" is still only costing me $8.33/month. :thumb:

[Da Peach]

<shrug>

I just got one today for free to replace my old Motorola & the "calling plan" is still only costing me $8.33/month. :thumb:

Holy crap that's cheap.

I use my cell as my primary phone now. It's costing me about $60/mo. With lots of unlimited talking, but still... Rapeage...

[SkaredShtles]

Holy crap that's cheap.

I use my cell as my primary phone now. It's costing me about $60/mo. With lots of unlimited talking, but still... Rapeage...
We don't use it much.

[N8]

Yup, Apple mentioned that in the keynote. Cingular is their only carrier partner, and will be for the forseeable future. The rep actually mentioned the same thing to my brother - no phones to other carriers for 12 months minimum, only option for non-cingular members will be the apple store.

Edit: apple has said it will be unlocked, and foxnews isn't a valid news source.

it looks to me from what Apple said yesterday, it will be locked and it will require Cingular to work some of its features.

[stinkyboy]

It's the ONLY way to arrange (http://www.apple.com/iphone/phone/) great rides!

[ZoRo]

Not from what I understood from the keynote, but hey, who knows. I'll be getting it from the apple store in june to use on my rogers setup here in Canada.

What makes you think that Rogers will get the iPhone ? I'd doubt Bell, but maybe Telus ?

[Transcend]

What makes you think that Rogers will get the iPhone ? I'd doubt Bell, but maybe Telus ?

It isn't network dependant first of all. Second of all Telus has no GSM network I don't think? And bell...well, bell just sucks.:twitch:

The reason handsets aree usually locked here in North America, is that the carrier subsidizes the price of the phone. Ie: get a 2 year plan and your phone drops to dirt cheap, the carrier eats the difference.

The iphone has NO subsidy. They are not allowing cingular to discount the phone or subsidize it at all, even for their business carriers. Apple is militant with their pricing and control it with an iron fist for the most part, besides the rare sale from best buy or circuit city or macmall.

There isn't much reason to lock a phone otherwise, besides t piss off a customer. Also, they have also stated it will be released in Europe (GSM) and Asia (CDMA/TDMA). Carriers in Europe and Asia, for the most part, do not lock phones.

The only Cingular only feature at the moment is visual call waiting, which is ridiculously cool, but probably fairly easy for a carrier to implement with the package apple would sell them.

[Superdeft]

I assume the random-access voicemail will be a cingular-only thing, as it accesses the data differently (essentially like voice texting or an email attachment) but that's just how the keynote sounded. That might not be the case however: if iphone simply calls and records voicemails and then attaches the missed caller info, it could be done with no change to how the carrier handles our voicemail.

Also, you bet the iPhone has a subsidy! - this thing would probably be 700-800 just by itself, look at the nokia N series: much less complex, cheaper finish, lame software. The multi-touch screen is immensely sophisticated and the whole thing is probably very expensive to manufacture given the crazy battery and sensor costs.

[Transcend]

I assume the random-access voicemail will be a cingular-only thing, as it accesses the data differently (essentially like voice texting or an email attachment) but that's just how the keynote sounded. That might not be the case however: if iphone simply calls and records voicemails and then attaches the missed caller info, it could be done with no change to how the carrier handles our voicemail.

Also, you bet the iPhone has a subsidy! - this thing would probably be 700-800 just by itself, look at the nokia N series: much less complex, cheaper finish, lame software. The multi-touch screen is immensely sophisticated and the whole thing is probably very expensive to manufacture given the crazy battery and sensor costs.

If there is a subsidy - it is coming directly from apple. The carrier itself is not allowed to subsidize ANY of the price, nor are they allowed to discount it. Apple will be selling it at the apple store for the exact same price.

Comparing the iphone to a nokia is like comparing a toshiba sattelite to a macbook. They now run about the same price, the macbook is a whole ton nicer looking, with better finish.

[dan-o]

Todays NYT review states that the phone will be locked for cingular use only.

[Superdeft]

If there is a subsidy - it is coming directly from apple. The carrier itself is not allowed to subsidize ANY of the price, nor are they allowed to discount it. Apple will be selling it at the apple store for the exact same price.

Comparing the iphone to a nokia is like comparing a toshiba sattelite to a macbook. They now run about the same price, the macbook is a whole ton nicer looking, with better finish.

This makes sense, and I agree about the fit+finish comparison, I'm just observing how much this class of device tends to cost even though this one is in a class of it's own. I am also curious what the market will be like when this thing actually drops.

[stinkyboy]

I am also curious what the market will be like when this thing actually drops.

Since people are making origami iPhones (http://iphonecountdown.com/iphone_readymech.pdf) while they wait for the real thing, it's prolly gonna be strong.

:shocked:

[N8]

OOps... maybe lawsuit #2 for Apple...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/iphone-vs-ke850-2-wm.jpg

[Da Peach]

I forget where I saw it, but that multi touch screen technology is pretty new, no? Was it Adobe that came up with it? Whatever, but it's way cool.

I can just imagine what all the services will cost to actually make the most of the thing (iPhone) once it arrives in Canada.

[Transcend]

I forget where I saw it, but that multi touch screen technology is pretty new, no? Was it Adobe that came up with it? Whatever, but it's way cool.

I can just imagine what all the services will cost to actually make the most of the thing (iPhone) once it arrives in Canada.

Apple pricing on it's store has absolutely no markup. Ie: the price difference as usually been the difference in currency. Tack on an edu discount (if available) and it is quite nice.

[Transcend]

OOps... maybe lawsuit #2 for Apple...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/iphone-vs-ke850-2-wm.jpg

Oh, so every phone in existence with a number pad now violates a patent? Please.

[dan-o]

transcend, did you watch the video of the introduction on the apple site?

Jobs introduced the pricing and the screen clearly shows the phrase '2 year contract' below the costs. He then introduces the CEO of Cingular after declaring them apple's EXCLUSIVE partner.

Where are you hearing/reading that this isn't the case?

[Toshi]

transcend, please provide a link to where apple says the phone will be unlocked. i haven't read any non-blog sources that state that. frankly, i don't really care either way but would like to halt the spread of misinformation.

[narlus]

frankly, i don't really care either way but would like to halt the spread of misinformation.

that's a noble but certainly quixotic task on message boards such as these.

[Transcend]

transcend, did you watch the video of the introduction on the apple site?

Jobs introduced the pricing and the screen clearly shows the phrase '2 year contract' below the costs. He then introduces the CEO of Cingular after declaring them apple's EXCLUSIVE partner.

Where are you hearing/reading that this isn't the case?

Yes, if you get the phone from cingular you will NEED to have a 2 year contract. Apple will also be selling the phone in the apple store. I don't have a link, my brother is AT macworld for work and has first hand information from their 5 minutes hands on with the phone and an apple rep.

[N8]

Yes, if you get the phone from cingular you will NEED to have a 2 year contract. Apple will also be selling the phone in the apple store...

and you will be tied to Cingular (at least here in the US).

[N8]

transcend, please provide a link to where apple says the phone will be unlocked. i haven't read any non-blog sources that state that. frankly, i don't really care either way but would like to halt the spread of misinformation.


I dont see where its going to be unlocked.

Here is what Apple's Press Release says:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/01/09cingular.html

Pricing & Availability
iPhone will be available in the US in June 2007, Europe in late 2007, and Asia in 2008, in a 4GB model for $499 (US) and an 8GB model for $599 (US), and will work with either a PC or Mac. iPhone will be sold in the US through Apple’s retail and online stores, and through Cingular’s retail and online stores. Several iPhone accessories will also be available in June, including Apple’s new remarkably compact Bluetooth headset.

[Da Peach]

Apple pricing on it's store has absolutely no markup. Ie: the price difference as usually been the difference in currency. Tack on an edu discount (if available) and it is quite nice.

No no, I just mean the cost of the messaging, web access and all that stuff from the service provider. Come to think of it, the odds of my needing all the web access and blackberry-esque functionality is slim to none. An iPod and a cellphone in one unit is pretty sweet though.

It actually looks pretty big too, at second glance... Portable yes, but bigger than something I'd want to be toting around everywhere.

[N8]

and it looks you will be paying full retail price if you buy from Apple or Cingular too

no price break for cingular biz customers either.

[SkaredShtles]

No no, I just mean the cost of the messaging, web access and all that stuff from the service provider. Come to think of it, the odds of my needing all the web access and
It'll surely be more than $8.33/month. :D

[stinkyboy]

I don't have a link, my brother is AT macworld for work and has first hand information from their 5 minutes hands on with the phone and an apple rep.

I'm a big Apple fan, but not having 10.5 ready (or anything else except some TV thing) might cause them to say many things just to make a splash with a device that is not FCC approved or even really working. Sure there's many unanswered questions, and haters just because it's an cool Apple product, but maybe the Macworld Expo shouldn't be an annual event from now on, since Steve is getting older and changing the world every few years isn't as easy as it used to be.

[dan-o]

I'm a big Apple fan, but not having 10.5 ready (or anything else except some TV thing) might cause them to say many things just to make a splash with a device that is not FCC approved or even really working. Sure there's many unanswered questions, and haters just because it's an cool Apple product, but maybe the Macworld Expo shouldn't be an annual event from now on, since Steve is getting older and changing the world every few years isn't as easy as it used to be.

I don't think FCC approval or their ability to make the device work is the issue. I just doubt that Cingular, having signed into this partnership 2 years ago, will allow their standard rapage policies to be bypassed.

The blackjack requires a $40/mo data plan in addition to the voice plan. I expect nothing less from Cingular when the iphone is released.

If the iphone is 1/2 as cool as my wife's macbook pro it will be a winner.

[ZoRo]

just curious: how many "official" keynotes does Jobs pronounce during the course of a year ? I know there are the MWSF and WWDC ones, but are there any others ?

[stinkyboy]

I don't think FCC approval or their ability to make the device work is the issue.

I don't either, but Jobs is well known for making a big announcement or two at MWSF and the TV thing wasn't gonna do the trick. The next big OSX update apparently isn't ready, so let's introduce a product that is months away from going live just to make some noise.

It worked.

[Silver]

Note that if it's tied to a Cingular contract (and the ones sold through the Apple store will be, I'm guessing) you're going to pay $150 to terminate it early.

So even if it is unlocked, you'll probably be paying significantly to use it on another carrier. $750 for a phone? Not unless it sucks my dick between calls... :D

I can't wait to see how Cingular cripples the thing. You should see what they did to the Nokia E62 and java....

[Da Peach]

The blackjack requires a $40/mo data plan in addition to the voice plan. I expect nothing less from Cingular when the iphone is released.



That's what I was thinking. So, unless I start dating a Hilton, I doubt I'll be getting one.

Oh come on...you single guys would all hit it if the opportunity presented itself...

[N8]

top-five-reasons-why-the-iphone-sucks (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/top-five-reasons-why-the-iphone-sucks-228100.php)

[BigMike]

top-five-reasons-why-the-iphone-sucks (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/top-five-reasons-why-the-iphone-sucks-228100.php)

Gee N8, Thanks! That was sooooooooo informative!

[binary visions]

Actually, #3, 4 and 5 are pretty major. The battery life I expected, but no spare battery? Even crappy phones are coming with expansion slots now, and not supporting a major upcoming network protocol is stupid.

[dan-o]

Actually, #3, 4 and 5 are pretty major. The battery life I expected, but no spare battery? Even crappy phones are coming with expansion slots now, and not supporting a major upcoming network protocol is stupid.

I just bought and returned a Blackjack due to: 1) the worst battery life I've ever experienced, they come with 2 batteries for a reason 2) 3G is still s-l-o-w.

[Transcend]

Oh cisco...

Apparently Cisco has more "iPhone" trouble in store for it than just that prior art dispute we mentioned yesterday. In order to keep a trademark alive, you have to file a "Declaration of Use" with the US Patent and Trademark office every six years or forfeit the trademark. On 11/16/2005 Cisco missed that deadline, but was granted a six month grace period, which it just barely squeezed through. Unfortunately for Cisco, a "Declaration of Use" requires demonstration of active use, under penalty of perjury. Cisco merely slapped an iPhone sticker onto an existing VoIP handset it was producing (shown above), but at the time hadn't put an actual iPhone product on shelves for a good long while. This jeopardizes the legitimacy of the trademark, and with Ocean Telecom Services LLC -- which is thought by most to be a front company for Apple -- next in line for the name, it's looking like anyone's game at this point.

[Da Peach]

I think they should just call it the iPhoan and save a ton a legal fees.

[SkaredShtles]

I think they should just call it the iPhoan and save a ton a legal fees.
I think iTele would be classier. :D

[blue]

Macworld Expo shouldn't be an annual event from now on, since Steve is getting older and changing the world every few years isn't as easy as it used to be.

:disgust1:

[syadasti]

Think different, except when it comes to...

Form factor - LG most recently and others.

Finger gestures - Neonode

Multitouch - Canon over a decade ago -

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,255,604.PN.&OS=PN/6,255,604&RS=PN/6,255,604

Visual voicemail -

We're guessing not, but El Reg has a piece up squarely accusing Apple of another swipe, this time of the term "Visual Voicemail" to describe the iPhone's voicemail UI. Visual Voicemail, which is owned by Citrix and originally developed by Net6, has been around for years and may (or may not) be what's powering Apple and Cingular's solution for the common problem of having to wait through all the voicemail you don't want just to hear the voicemail you do. And "Visual Voicemail" is, in fact, capitalized on Apple's site, meaning if legit usage of the term or licensed software isn't in the cards, Apple could soon find itself in two simultaneous pots of hot water.

Evolutionary technology with good integration of existing technology...typical Apple MO.

[BigMike]

Syadasti, when did Canon come out with the Multitouch, and what did they use it for? First I saw of it was the crazy huge touch screen and that guy playing with all the cool features, but not really doing anything productive. I know thats a terrible description, I'll see if I can dig up the link.

And you know they dropped the Think Different thing awhile ago, right? ;)

[BigMike]

This wasn't the video I was thinking of, but....... close enough

http://loop.worldofapple.com/archives/2006/02/08/multi-touch-interaction-video/

[syadasti]

Syadasti, when did Canon come out with the Multitouch

Obviously before they filed for an overseas patent in the US in May 29, 1996 :lighten:

[binary visions]

The question really is, who cares? This is Apple's M.O. - take some great ideas, package them really well, deck it out with a slick user interface and market it like crazy. People eat it up, and they're reasonably good products.

They're rarely the technically "best" product on the market for any given function, but they work fine and packaging/UI means a lot to the average consumer. Good for Apple, Inc. (I thought it was interesting and smart that they dropped the "Computer") to realize they're a damn good electronics company - they're gonna make a mint off this phone.

[syadasti]

Is there an echo in here :monkey:

Evolutionary technology with good integration of existing technology...typical Apple MO.

This is Apple's M.O. - take some great ideas, package them really well, deck it out with a slick user interface and market it like crazy.

[binary visions]

Ahh, teach me not to read the whole thread.

'tis true, though :p