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jimmydean
11-04-2006, 11:03 AM
Ouch...

...Army Times and other military-oriented periodicals, said Friday it was calling for Bush to fire Rumsfeld.

Conservatives Challenge Iraq Policy

By BARRY SCHWEID
The Associated Press
Saturday, November 4, 2006; 11:29 AM

WASHINGTON -- A leading conservative proponent of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq now says dysfunction within the Bush administration has turned U.S. policy there into a disaster.

Richard Perle, who chaired a committee of Pentagon policy advisers early in the Bush administration, said had he seen at the start of the war in 2003 where it would go, he probably would not have advocated an invasion to depose Saddam Hussein. Perle was an assistant secretary of defense under President Reagan.

"I probably would have said, 'Let's consider other strategies for dealing with the thing that concerns us most, which is Saddam supplying weapons of mass destruction to terrorists,'" he told Vanity Fair magazine in its upcoming January issue.

Meanwhile, the Military Times Media Group, a Gannett Co. subsidiary that publishes Army Times and other military-oriented periodicals, said Friday it was calling for Bush to fire Rumsfeld. An editorial due to be published Monday says active-duty military leaders are beginning to voice misgivings about the war's planning and execution and dimming prospects for success. It declares that "Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large."

The editorial concludes by saying that regardless of which party wins in next week's election, the time has come "to face the hard bruising truth: Donald Rumsfeld must go."

When asked about the Vanity Fair article and Perle's criticism, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said, "We appreciate the Monday-morning quarterbacking, but the president has a plan to succeed in Iraq and we are going forward with it."

Other prominent conservatives criticized the administration's conduct of the war in the article, including Kenneth Adelman, who also served on the Defense Policy Board that informally advised President Bush. Adelman said he was "crushed" by the performance of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

The critiques in Vanity Fair come as growing numbers of Republicans have criticized Bush's policies on Iraq. The war, unpopular with many Americans, has become a top-tier issue in next week's congressional elections.

Perle said "you have to hold the president responsible" because he didn't recognize "disloyalty" by some in the administration. He said the White House's National Security Council, then run by now-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, did not serve Bush properly.

A year before the war, Adelman predicted demolishing Saddam's military power and liberating Iraq would be a "cakewalk." But he told the magazine he was mistaken in his high opinion of Bush's national security .

"They turned out to be among the most incompetent teams in the postwar era," he said. "Not only did each of them, individually, have enormous flaws, but together they were deadly, dysfunctional."

Toshi
11-04-2006, 12:11 PM
here's the vanity fair article referenced, a good read:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/12/neocons200612

ALEXIS_DH
11-04-2006, 12:42 PM
"The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity,"

no ****!.

somebody influential enough to start a war with hundreds of thousands of casualties has no clue on the level of brutality that might ensue??? underestimate the depravity???
wtf??????????????
a kid whose militar and sadistic experience is "i watched rambo twice" can tell the kind of debauchery it was bound to happen.

rockwool
11-04-2006, 01:07 PM
no ****!.

somebody influential enough to start a war with hundreds of thousands of casualties has no clue on the level of brutality that might ensue??? underestimate the depravity???
wtf??????????????
a kid whose militar and sadistic experience is "i watched rambo twice" can tell the kind of debauchery it was bound to happen.

LOL, funny how we used to worry about the "unpredictability" of different Soviet leaders and create files of their personalities to be able to read their different actions. I think I'm going to sit down and read that psychoanalytical studie of dubya for a good laugh.

$tinkle
11-04-2006, 11:24 PM
candygram for rummy?

Reactor
11-05-2006, 10:09 AM
candygram for rummy?

Hmmmmm... I'm going to look into sending a candygram to rummy. :biggrin:

Reactor
11-05-2006, 10:37 AM
Here's the proposed text....


To: Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
1000 Defense Pentagon Washington, DC 20301-1000
From: Mike

I’d like to thank you for your many fine years of public service. I say I’d like to, but I can’t, since you’ve presided over a “war on terror” that has actually increased the terrorist threat to America. I’m sure after the mid-term election losses tonight conservatives will join the many others calling for your resignation. . Please take this candy as a condolence, and seek solace in its nutty goodness.

LordOpie
11-05-2006, 10:40 AM
I’m sure after the mid-term election losses tonight conservatives will join the many others calling for your resignation.
but here's the thing, I'm sure the Repubs would be fine with losing the mid-terms so they can blame the house lead Dems for their failure in '08, then push to take back the house and keep the PotUS with that propoganda.