Windrock Windmill Trail Map

[ChrisKring]

I took a run with the GPS on Sunday down the Windmill trail. The trail was 2.7 miles long with a 2300 foot drop.

After looking at the trail in Google Earth, I see what Joey is talking about with the endless possiblities with expansion off of the ridge near the bottom. Again, thanks to the guys that built these trails. They are worth the drive.

Multiple angles and the trail profile are found here: http://highgearracing.com/gallery/album07

http://highgearracing.com/gallery/albums/album07/Windmill_Trail_1.jpg

http://highgearracing.com/gallery/albums/album07/Windmill_Trail_profile.jpg

[spoke80]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, snap! Awesome graphics.

And I quote: "stoked + stoked = shzaaam!"

[Wndrckr]

That's awesome man! Thanks! Now we just need to get you back down here to gps the rest of the trails.

[dhbuilder]

man.
i've been telling everyone how much more land we have access to.
now ya'll can see it first hand.

check out the size of the valley on the east side of the overlook !!!!
i see many more years of trailbuilding in my future.

frikkin windrock !!!!

[LOOnatic]

:banana:

[dhbuilder]

That's awesome man! Thanks! Now we just need to get you back down here to gps the rest of the trails.

hold on now.
those guys ride here more than you do. :)

[FCLinder]

Nice Data!!! 2.7 miles long and 2300 ft only makes for a bad a$$ run.

[Wndrckr]

hold on now.
those guys ride here more than you do. :)

It sure seems that way lately. I plan to have a frequent presence at the Rock as the season winds down. Wish I could've made it for the great turnout this weekend.:banghead:

[jet]

How long is that time wise?

[LOOnatic]

Bout 10-15 minutes of woop-a$$

[ChrisKring]

How long is that time wise?

It took me 15 minutes of moving on the run I took with the GPS. We stopped at Windrock road so that probably added a minute or so since I pedaled around on the road which kept the moving time on the GPS going. Also, that's from the drop off by the windmills and includes pedaling up the hill prior to entering the singletrack.

I think I could get in the 12-13 minute range without any stops.

Doug has gotten under 10 minutes. That's fast.

[FCLinder]

Doug has gotten under 10 minutes. That's fast.

Its official, I have a new Hero!!!!!!:banana:

[profro]

I did it one run in 9:14 and another in 9:30 with a crash. Both times I was completely blown by Jaw Bone Drop. That was back when the gravel road crossing was different. You had to pedal down the road to the left and then back down to the right. I think I could get it under 9 flat but not much more. I think someone like Herndon, who is really fit, could get it close to 8:30 or even under.

[ChrisKring]

Doug
Where did you start your time? At the windmills or the start of the singletrack?

[spoke80]

Doug
Where did you start your time? At the windmills or the start of the singletrack?

The lower parking lot. He sprinted up the gravel road to the windmills, did a complete drift 180, sprinted back down the gravel road, up the dirt double track and into the trail. Stopping only to battle a horde of atvers that were hell bent on mayhem. Not bad for a sub 10 run.:happydance:

[bizutch]

Can you imagine the poor dude that says...oh, cool a pretty straight shot down the mountain....looks wide open.
Where are the 597 dip down/up right/left chute to berm variations???

Just kidding. I know a GPS can't show every single twist and turn in that trail. But boy if it did, you'd get dizzy just tracing it.

[dhbuilder]

that overhead view of the next ridge over and ensueing valley.
makes me think we might have to rethink our projects for this winter.
that's easily as much if not more area than we already have down in the "snakerock valley".

it's not a bad idea to maybe think about doing getting away from the old trailhead and the ever increasing danger of those road crossings.
we've had way to many close calls on those lately.
plus there's been a whole lot of construction all around our jumps this year.
making them a lot less secure from poaching than ever.
and the effort to run enough barricades around all the freshly opened areas, may not be worth the time and effort.
plus above the bulkhead needs major overhauling.
we could easily spend over a month this winter just taking care of all that mess.

that's alot of time that could be better spent creating new and very secure singletrack.

thanks for posting the picture chris.
that view is a huge help.

[LOOnatic]

Joe-E are you implying moving eastward on that map thus moving the trail head higher up the windmill shuttle road or higher up the existing road where the gas drill rig was as of late?

Or somewhere else all together?

On the highgear page with the maps, what is the perpindicular white line that cuts across the highlighted trail?

[Wndrckr]

Joe-E are you implying moving eastward on that map thus moving the trail head higher up the windmill shuttle road or higher up the existing road where the gas drill rig was as of late?

Or somewhere else all together?

On the highgear page with the maps, what is the perpindicular white line that cuts across the highlighted trail?

That would be the gravel road you cross halfway down.

[dhbuilder]

Joe-E are you implying moving eastward on that map thus moving the trail head higher up the windmill shuttle road or higher up the existing road where the gas drill rig was as of late?

Or somewhere else all together?

On the highgear page with the maps, what is the perpindicular white line that cuts across the highlighted trail?

the thought is to shift our main trailhead over to the begining of the high speed portion of the windmill trail.
that area is closer than you think to where we have been dropping in all these years.
the main routing problem would be to get something from that point over to the three way split area, so that all the other gems don't get abandoned.

the way they've re-routed the waterflow down into the waterfall valley spells doom for that section possibly.
a couple of weeks ago just a moderate rain diverted enough water down through there to totally wash out the waterfall trail.
it had to get a rebuild before this past weekend.
heavy winter rains will probably lay waste to that section.

we need to look at an alternative.

[Jeremy R]

the thought is to shift our main trailhead over to the begining of the high speed portion of the windmill trail.
that area is closer than you think to where we have been dropping in all these years.
the main routing problem would be to get something from that point over to the three way split area, so that all the other gems don't get abandoned.

the way they've re-routed the waterflow down into the waterfall valley spells doom for that section possibly.
a couple of weeks ago just a moderate rain diverted enough water down through there to totally wash out the waterfall trail.
it had to get a rebuild before this past weekend.
heavy winter rains will probably lay waste to that section.

we need to look at an alternative.

Plus doing that will eliminate the possibility of getting taken out by the one tooth wonders on 4 wheelers at the road crossings.
I was coming up out of the main rock garden about to cross the road,
and some guy probaly named Cleetus had it pinned at 60MPH down the road.:disgust:
I can't imagine how many close calls you locals have had over the years.

[demolition dave]

the main routing problem would be to get something from that point over to the three way split area, so that all the other gems don't get abandoned.


The thought of those "gems" getting abandoned just made me sick to my stomach......for real! http://freeridesouth.com/phpbb/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif

[spoke80]

The thought of those "gems" getting abandoned just made me sick to my stomach......for real! http://freeridesouth.com/phpbb/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif


True dat, but thars golden in dem thar hills. Gold I tells ya!

[LOOnatic]

True dat, but thars golden in dem thar hills. Gold I tells ya!


Yah but it might be radioactive

[dhbuilder]

Yah but it might be radioactive

naw.
that junk never made it up here.
the coal co.'s wouldn't stand for the contamination.

they dump the nukes where nobody will raise a fuss.

[bizutch]

..

they dump the nukes where nobody will raise a fuss.

as evidenced by the locals, it must be somewhere in the local water supply.....

[dhbuilder]

The thought of those "gems" getting abandoned just made me sick to my stomach......for real! http://freeridesouth.com/phpbb/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif

they won't get totally abandoned.
we've been ripping down from the top down through the waterfall for almost seven years now.
the locals can do it blindfolded.
it's time to move to on bigger and better things.

nobody will be dissapointed.

dave.
got your p.m.
thanks.
see you soon.

[spoke80]

as evidenced by the locals, it must be somewhere in the local water supply.....

Maybe that would explain the hair that is sprouting up.....

[profro]

they won't get totally abandoned.
we've been ripping down from the top down through the waterfall for almost seven years now.
the locals can do it blindfolded.
it's time to move to on bigger and better things.

nobody will be dissapointed.

dave.
got your p.m.
thanks.
see you soon.

Awesome, we should get to work soon before I have to return to the real world of work. :banana:

[CHepler]

as evidenced by the locals, it must be somewhere in the local water supply.....

Butch,
Someone pointed you out to me your last trip here, I may introduce myself your next trip down.

[bizutch]

Butch,
Someone pointed you out to me your last trip here, I may introduce myself your next trip down.

you're not mad at me for the crack on the locals are ya? I mean...unless the water supply has done some strange things to you like Care Bear Ben...:brows:
I wish you'd introduced yourself last Saturday bro. Been eager to meet you for certain. Just walk up and smack me upside the head next time. I don't mind. What were you riding?

[spoke80]

Care Bear Ben...:brows:


Wha, what?

[TURBOLVR]

Gentlemen,

I propose that I could do the Windmill trail in 6 minutes
flat- I will be riding atop the back of a great Centaur Stallion
like this one! If you would like to challenge me the beast and I will slay you!

[FCLinder]

Well guys I have some bad news!!! I will now not have a bike to come up on the 28th. I just got off the phone with my guy at my shop and our rep at Giant that was taking care of me for next year told him my 2006 bike got snaked by another rep from him while it was on hold waiting for other bikes to be shipped to the store. They now have no more 2006 Glory’s to send out. The good news is they are giving me a 2007 for only $150 more. Bad news is the bike will not be in till Dec. Sorry I did plan on coming up to hang out with all you cool guys. I now have to wait till next spring to see how much work Joey and you guys have put into the Rock.

:disgust1:

[LOOnatic]

Well guys I have some bad news!!! I will now not have a bike to come up on the 28th.

:disgust1:


Just ride on the back of turbolvr. Looks like he has room for 2
:busted:

[TURBOLVR]

Affirmative!
It would be like a Wendy's Doublestack.
In the spirit of the Huns we will eat the Centaur
Beast after he gives to exhaustion under our girth.

[FCLinder]

Just ride on the back of turbolvr. Looks like he has room for 2
:busted:

Not my Cup Of Tea!!!! :bonk: I was really hoping to test out the new bike.

[ChrisKring]

Butch,
Someone pointed you out to me your last trip here, I may introduce myself your next trip down.

uh ohh. Now Butch is going to be banned from the City of Oliver Springs by the mayor. :bonk: Can't get to Windrock very easily without going through town.

[bizutch]

uh ohh. Now Butch is going to be banned from the City of Oliver Springs by the mayor. :bonk: Can't get to Windrock very easily without going through town.

salt in wound....

salt in wound.....:rant:

[spoke80]

Affirmative!
It would be like a Wendy's Doublestack.
In the spirit of the Huns we will eat the Centaur
Beast after he gives to exhaustion under our girth.

Similar to this:

[TURBOLVR]

Spoke 80-
You is of like mind...
Tubesteak smothered in underwear!
why does ze bike have to be ridden only.

[spoke80]

Spoke 80-
You is of like mind...
Tubesteak smothered in underwear!
why does ze bike have to be ridden only.

You phone me we disco, yes. I call you now.:banana:

[SpaZwEll]

sorta like this...

[profro]

Butch,
Someone pointed you out to me your last trip here,

nah, I bet it was his name on the back of his jersey. :clue:

CHepler was ride the OS Mayor Buggy with non-functional lights :busted:

[ChrisKring]

If anyone wants the trail so they can load it up in google earth and play with it themselves, PM me your email address.

If you haven't ever used google earth, you should try it out. You can even check out Y12 or area 51 while your at it.

[bizutch]

nah, I bet it was his name on the back of his jersey. :clue:

CHepler was ride the OS Mayor Buggy with non-functional lights :busted:

In that case, how many times did you have to explain why there were 2 "Ryan B"'s riding there last weekend...:brow:

[SpaZwEll]

In that case, how many times did you have to explain why there were 2 "Ryan B"'s riding there last weekend...:brow:

Hah, It was too hot for long sleeves. :brows:



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[dhbuilder]

Well guys I have some bad news!!! I will now not have a bike to come up on the 28th. I just got off the phone with my guy at my shop and our rep at Giant that was taking care of me for next year told him my 2006 bike got snaked by another rep from him while it was on hold waiting for other bikes to be shipped to the store. They now have no more 2006 Glory’s to send out. The good news is they are giving me a 2007 for only $150 more. Bad news is the bike will not be in till Dec. Sorry I did plan on coming up to hang out with all you cool guys. I now have to wait till next spring to see how much work Joey and you guys have put into the Rock.

:disgust1:


bad news for you maybe.:)

we ride !!!!!

[FCLinder]

bad news for you maybe.:)

we ride !!!!!

I think Ben maybe able to grab a Demo bike from his shop for me to ride. We will see. I am not getting my hopes up yet.

[BKQuill]

WFC :huh:

[dhbuilder]

you guys should see what mark webb, terry and i saw today.

i guarantee, no other trailbuilders on this continent will have the canvas to build on like the one we found today.

and we just hiked a very small portion of it.

terry put it mildly, when he simply said at the end of the hike, "i'm overwhelmed".

[ChrisKring]

you guys should see what mark webb, terry and i saw today.

i guarantee, no other trailbuilders on this continent will have the canvas to build on like the one we found today.

and we just hiked a very small portion of it.

terry put it mildly, when he simply said at the end of the hike, "i'm overwhelmed".

Will it be ready on November 15th? :cheers:

What can we ride that weekend?

[demolition dave]

dave.
got your p.m.
thanks.
see you soon.

Yes sir! All systems are a go for this coming weekend.....10/28 and 10/29.

I rode with Jon and Jeff Saturday in Wilsons Creek and they said they are in. And Andy said he is gonna come up to session with us as well!

Should be good times.......as usual!

[dhbuilder]

Will it be ready on November 15th? :cheers:
What can we ride that weekend?

that's hard to say.
probably just the four or so main trails.

southernrocks.
tr 1.
snakerock.
middlefinger.
maybe the lower two thirds of the windmill trail.

what we looked at this weekend is the new area we'll be building in from now on.
if things go as planned, we'll be moving away from our old trailhead and those two roadcrossings.
i'm tired of having to deal with the danger in those two areas everytime we have visitors from out of town.
that whole area isn't near what it used to be a few years back.

so much construction etc...
has made that whole area not worth the effort to keep it going anylonger.
the waterfall needs rebuilding now after every rain, as so much water has been diverted into that creek.
we need to get a new way into the area by next spring.

trust me.
if we get things detailed out the way we plan,
you wont miss that stuff at all.

[dhbuilder]

Yes sir! All systems are a go for this coming weekend.....10/28 and 10/29.

I rode with Jon and Jeff Saturday in Wilsons Creek and they said they are in. And Andy said he is gonna come up to session with us as well!

Should be good times.......as usual!

i'll probably have to spend most of saturday with the leafblower, cleaning leaves from trails.
we're forecasted to have rain thursday and friday.
and wet leaf cover on those trails are impossible to ride on.
it shouldn't take that long if ya'll can keep shuttling me back up so all i'll have to do is walk down with that thing.
climbing trails with that beast is a b.tch.

[demolition dave]

i'll probably have to spend most of saturday with the leafblower, cleaning leaves from trails.
we're forecasted to have rain thursday and friday.
and wet leaf cover on those trails are impossible to ride on.
it shouldn't take that long if ya'll can keep shuttling me back up so all i'll have to do is walk down with that thing.
climbing trails with that beast is a b.tch.


We'll shuttle you no problem! Infact, I'll bring my leafblower as well and walk some trails too if thats OK with you.

[ChrisKring]

Joey

Looks like Diablo is out for this weekend since no one wants to drive out there with me. Therefore, I'll ride moto this weekend and plan to come back down in a couple of weeks.

Can I help to build this if I can get Friday off? I'll try to recuit some additional hands.

A connector from the Windmill trail to the 3 way. It's less than 0.2 miles long as the crow flys (0.25 miles or so of trail). It's the white line with the red points on the ends. It should start somewhere near the end of the high speed section. The strait green line that it crosses is a bogus segment (whoever GPS'd the ATV trails merged all of the segments and created a few issues in the process.)

http://highgearracing.com/gallery/albums/album07/Windmill_Trail_With_connector_to_existing_trails.j pg

http://highgearracing.com/gallery/albums/album07/Windmill_Trail_With_connector_to_existing_trails2. jpg

Also, here is the GPS tracks of the ATV trails overlayed with the Windmill trail.

http://highgearracing.com/gallery/albums/album07/Windmill_Trail_With_ATV_trails.jpg

[JeffD]

That would be saaweeet! Any guess about where on the windmill trail (feature-wise) your proposed connector would break off?

[ChrisKring]

That would be saaweeet! Any guess about where on the windmill trail (feature-wise) your proposed connector would break off?

I am pretty sure the line I plotted starts at the end of the high speed section just before the uphill that you rocket up and turn to the left at the top. What I plotted is a basic location. You would need to be on the ground walking around for a few hours to mark it with ribben and then cut in. It doesn't look like there are any cliffs in there to worry about. However, I can't be sure without getting on the ground and walking.

Again, Joey I am willing to drive down and help on a Friday in a few weeks.

[Wndrckr]

Easier said than done Chris. What the map doesn't take into account is the huge gorge created by the creek that stands in between that part of the Windmill trail and the 3-way. Remember the 1st creek crossing after the trail 24 overlook? If you looked up the creek from there, that's what you're facing up to the trail on your map that dissects the re-route you made. So we're lookin' at a 150' gap jump if we go that way. Thanks for the idea though!

[ChrisKring]

Easier said than done Chris. What the map doesn't take into account is the huge gorge created by the creek that stands in between that part of the Windmill trail and the 3-way. Remember the 1st creek crossing after the trail 24 overlook? If you looked up the creek from there, that's what you're facing up to the trail on your map that dissects the re-route you made. So we're lookin' at a 150' gap jump if we go that way. Thanks for the idea though!


Like I said, you would need to walk it to determine if it is feasible. I am willing to come down and work on it. I would just hate to see all of the original trails go to waste if the original trail head is abandoned.

Where does the ATV trail cross this gorge?

[Wndrckr]

Like I said, you would need to walk it to determine if it is feasible. I am willing to come down and work on it. I would just hate to see all of the original trails go to waste if the original trail head is abandoned.

Where does the ATV trail cross this gorge?

Actually the atv trail goes over this giant spillway - dam thing (actually I don't know what you call it, but I think it's part of the top of the old tramway). A trail can be routed above it, but to get to the 3-way you'd have to build a half mile benched trail to get there.

The re-route will most likely have to stay close to the paved road in order to get it where it needs to go. Whatever is done you're lookin' at several days work minimum to get something over there so I don't think it's feasible until this winter sometime.

As for all the old trails, believe me, they won't go to waste.

[LOOnatic]

Viva la WindRock:clapping:

[bizutch]

... It doesn't look like there are any cliffs in there to worry about. .....
There's not a cliff at Windrock they've ever worried about building on...heck, I think that's like the second most common feature behind rock.


Windrock trail features:
1. Rocks
2. Cliffs
3. Creeks
4. Really fast, skittish frickin' squirrells
5. 1 left handed garter snake with a penchant for DH

[dhbuilder]

Easier said than done Chris. What the map doesn't take into account is the huge gorge created by the creek that stands in between that part of the Windmill trail and the 3-way. Remember the 1st creek crossing after the trail 24 overlook? If you looked up the creek from there, that's what you're facing up to the trail on your map that dissects the re-route you made. So we're lookin' at a 150' gap jump if we go that way. Thanks for the idea though!


chris.
while i more than appreciate the offer.
and you're more than welcome to come and help.
what we're talking about will takes months of work to complete.

think along these lines.
there's over 100 man hours in just the road gap jump.

nothing up here happens overnight.
and we have tons of hiking to do first before we ever break ground on anything.

that, more than anything else is why i never ask for help up here.
from time to time we've had out of town riders come and lend a hand.
they show up all full of pee and vinegar, thinking they'll build one day and ride it the next.
then get frustrated when all we do is haul buckets of dirt or move pile up stacks of rocks for future use.

i do believe though, that this will be the most ambitious building season to date.
and we may very well put out a call for help.
we'll have to get a few projects up to a point where a lot of man power will be needed.

but with our "one trail built to full detail" approach this winter.
most of the time our little group of six or so will be enough.
but we may need folks to help do bench work.

like i've said before.
the high gear team has contributed quite a lot in getting us to where we are today.

see you guys soon.

[John M]

but with our "one trail built to full detail" approach this winter.
most of the time our little group of six or so will be enough.
but we may need folks to help do bench work.

like i've said before.
the high gear team has contributed quite a lot in getting us to where we are today.

see you guys soon.

That being said, like you and i have talked about just last week.
You need to get all this ready and give us a weekend when you need our help. give me a few weeks notice (if possible) And I will show up with strong backs and shovels. We (HGR) have used you're trails plenty, We ALL really want to come down and do just a small bit of our share.
We will talk about this more on our next trip down..... See ya real soon- JM

[spoke80]

That being said, like you and i have talked about just last week.
You need to get all this ready and give us a weekend when you need our help. give me a few weeks notice (if possible) And I will show up with strong backs and shovels. We (HGR) have used you're trails plenty, We ALL really want to come down and do just a small bit of our share.
We will talk about this more on our next trip down..... See ya real soon- JM

Best post I've read on this forum.:cupidarrow:

[dhbuilder]

yeah.
we'll build things out to a point where benchcutting will be needed.
(the goal is to keep that to a minimum, and utilize as much off camber as possible.)
then put a call out for ya'll to come down a get after it.

it's alot like shovelin snow.
except the following week, you don't have to do it all over again, :):)

[Squasher]

Here is what WR needs to bench trails. :banana:

http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Workshop/Trencher2.jpg

[profro]

Windrock would break that thing... she's one hell of a bitch.