Underground Super D Event

[bizutch]

SKIP TO PAGE 4 for Full Details. Let me know in this thread and in an email to bizutch@hotmail.com if you're coming!!! or call me at 828-713-2459

Sijnce apparently I'm despised for being a "sarcastic, condescending elite racer boy prick", I thought I'd just be a total douche and offer to put on a RACE!!! Can't wait for the hate mail on this one.

Outline:
Mass start
Gate positions assigned by raffle
Time length 10-20 minutes
Width of trail- really WIDE
Trail type - Roller after roller after roller after roller
Shuttle - Bite me! We all ride to the top. Set time for all riders to be up top or you're SOL.
Sanctioning body - Your preferred insurance carrier
Time - Mid-November
Bike - ANY - Guy on hardtail might potentially smoke all of you, but a 6 inch hucker or DH bike will really pin it!
Fee - $5.00
Prizes - Maybe
Cash prize- 1st Place DH, 1st Place Hucker bike and 1st Place Hardtail

[ridefast]

when and where?

[DVNT]

Trail type - Roller after roller after roller after roller

sounds like Green's Lick?

Time length 10-20 minutes
if so maybe half that...if ya walk the uphill parts.

[bizutch]

sounds like Green's Lick?


if so maybe half that...if ya walk the uphill parts.

Nope. This trail dates back well before Green's Lick and there shouldn't be any issues in that respect (Mass start on Green's Lick equals ugly mess). It will be non-sanctioned in any way. Just a bunch of guys getting together for some helacious bragging rights. i'm sure I can lay my hands on some fun prizes to give out for stuff like:
Last place
Worst Setup
Best Wound
First Wreck
Biggest Pileup
Fugliest Jersey
Best use of a beer can
Most Pronounce Beer Belly

I'll collect everyone's entry fee UP FRONT. Either mailed direct to me or Paypal. No desire to deal with people showing up to "tag along" for the ride. My idea. I might keep $30 to cover my gas and a roll of raffle tickets.

I need to take a look at a few calenders and set the date to not conflict with all these silly XC epics and stuff. But maybe sometime next week, I can assign a date. Feel free to post some events I don't want to conflict with. This will be most accessible to NC, TN, GA, SC, and some VA riders who wanna clown.

[bizutch]

I don't know which is more odd:
89 views and only 12 votes...(didn't know there were 89 riders in the South)
...or only 3 people who wouldn't want to do a ride like this...?

[Kevin]

Sijnce apparently I'm despised for being a "sarcastic, condescending elite racer boy prick"

You say that like its a bad thing :disgust:

btw I just clicked on the poll on the front page to see whats up but Im from Europe.
Maybee more people did that...
Nice id though.

[dirtydirtysouf]

Most Pronounce Beer Belly.

that prize is all mine :cheers:

[bizutch]

Thanks Kevin...props from anyone lucky enough to have a finger in a dyke is high praise indeed.

[Kevin]

Thanks Kevin...props from anyone lucky enough to have a finger in a dyke is high praise indeed.

Meh you get used to it pretty quick, it was fun the first couple of days though... :biggrin:
Good luck with the race/gathering/whatever.

[bizutch]

OK...so I'll know next Tuesday whether I can have permission to do this ride.

As I posted on MTBR, plenty of room for passing, in WNC and NOT in PISGAH Ranger District. It'll be in Highlands Ranger District.

I may have a way to shuttle in and I may not. All depends on a few people. If no shuttle in, we'll just climb to the top and agree to start at a certain time. The climb is a brute, but I've done it in the past and had to walk alot of it. Didn't seem to take much longer than riding it though.

As a hint, certain suspects that have done this trail at 1 time or another are :Fred, Herndon, Joe Moore, Blitch, John Hazinsky, Lars, Anders, Mooney, Eddie Roberts....

[BurlyShirley]

Hey, if its Nov. 17-19, Im down. Ill be in the area.

[frznnomad]

sign me up, and well sign 1337 up. im sure all my boys would be up for it and damn 5$ entry is nothing. butch let me know if i can help out man.

[bizutch]

New detail learned:
Has to be before Nov. 15 due to gates closing.

[jet]

As 'Decline' says...super D is the new kewl race. I'll be (pencilled) in when I learn the date and locale. I'm still unemployed.

[bizutch]

As 'Decline' says...super D is the new kewl race. I'll be (pencilled) in when I learn the date and locale. I'm still unemployed.

You better be able to pedal to the top furball. :brows:

[noname]

roughly how far is this from va beach?

[Metal Dude]

yoh Butch have you come up with a date yet?
thinking of throwing another ds don't want
to step on your toes, if a few people might
do both!

[DVNT]

yeah good idea
we may have something the weekend of nov. 4-5
just waiting for final approval.

[bizutch]

roughly how far is this from va beach?

1 hour drive West of Asheville, NC.

edit: No clarification or approval yet. FS guy is in and out of office....must be fond of Starbucks or something???

[bizutch]

OK. So I had a talk with some people who know some people who "know" some people. To be underground, I gotta go invite only. No insurance, no waivers. Just a group of trusted riding a fav trail of mine that very few of you have ever ridden.

Date will be Nov. 11 and if a monsoon is on that day, it'll get moved back 1 day. All those interested, email me @ bizutch@hotmail.com for location and details.


2 runs down. 1st run is a pre-run to know the trails. 2nd run is for bragging rights. Bring forearms.

[FCLinder]

Dammit!!!! That is the day of our Couples Baby Shower. :banghead:

Most of the guys down here will be at the shower that day. Can we do it on the 12th?

[Metal Dude]

Man I'm sorry!
regardless if you miss a ride,
a couples shower is like the worst idea
women ever got away with!
When my wife had her shower I cut
that one off at the pass.
One of my buddies showed up and said
I told him I would be there huh huh!
my wife knew he was mistaken!

[FCLinder]

Man I'm sorry!
regardless if you miss a ride,
a couples shower is like the worst idea
women ever got away with!
When my wife had her shower I cut
that one off at the pass.
One of my buddies showed up and said
I told him I would be there huh huh!
my wife knew he was mistaken!

Not really, us men will just let the ladys do there thing and we will be watching one of the many Football games in the Theater Room, drink some beer, and maybe shoot some Pool too. It willl be more like a Football party for me.

But if it came down to riding or watching a game with the boys, I would want to be on the bike. :disgust:

But in this case I have no choice but to be there for the shower.

I wish I could make it on the 11th. Butch you had me at "Undergroud Super D", but its just not going to work out.

[bizutch]

Not really, us men will just let the ladys do there thing and we will be watching one of the many Football games in the Theater Room, drink some beer, and maybe shoot some Pool too. It willl be more like a Football party for me.

But if it came down to riding or watching a game with the boys, I would want to be on the bike. :disgust:

But in this case I have no choice but to be there for the shower.

I wish I could make it on the 11th. Butch you had me at "Undergroud Super D", but its just not going to work out.

you really should re-consider. You've done this descent. Only we came at it from way above it. Think "6 mile dirt road climb with Eddie, Fred and Herndon....". Boy did we come at it from the wrong way.

[Jeremy R]

Cecil,
Just make a cardboard cutout of yourself and stick it in the corner.
Rig a recorder to your mouth that randomly says things like,
"Gee Honey, that is a nice batch of pampers."
and
"Wow, bitchin' crib!"

[FCLinder]

you really should re-consider. You've done this descent. Only we came at it from way above it. Think "6 mile dirt road climb with Eddie, Fred and Herndon....". Boy did we come at it from the wrong way.

I know the ride. It was fun as H!!!!! I wish I could. The wife will have my head if I am not there. :nopity:

[FCLinder]

Cecil,
Just make a cardboard cutout of yourself and stick it in the corner.
Rig a recorder to your mouth that randomly says things like,
"Gee Honey, that is a nice batch of pampers."
and
"Wow, bitchin' crib!"

Yah, that will work great!!!! I need to cone myself. Anyone know where I acn do this? Wait!!! That means there will be two of me. I really don't think anyone wants that!!!!!:brows:

[Jeremy R]

I need to cone myself.

Well, you can if you want to, but I don't see how that is relevant here.:cheers:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d174/bikeryder007/conehead_poster.jpg

[demolition dave]

Cecil,
Just make a cardboard cutout of yourself and stick it in the corner.
Rig a recorder to your mouth that randomly says things like,
"Gee Honey, that is a nice batch of pampers."
and
"Wow, bitchin' crib!"

Jeremy, this is a brilliant idea........and will definately work!

Cecil you should definately run with this one!

[Metal Dude]

Oh I see Cecil, it's a football party
your just a good husband and let her
call it a "couples Party"
I have to give you points
on utilizing their on idea against them

[FCLinder]

Jeremy, this is a brilliant idea........and will definately work!

Cecil you should definately run with this one!

Phase 1 is Complete!!!! I took a picture of myself laughing hysterically and went down to Kinko’s last night. They printed it up life size. Now I need to make the voice recording. Sneaky Sneaky!!!:brows:

[FCLinder]

Oh I see Cecil, it's a football party
your just a good husband and let her
call it a "couples Party"
I have to give you points
on utilizing their on idea against them

Yep, I just used the “Force” on her. It was a Jedi Mind Trick!!!!! :brows:

[Curiouscaptian01]

Butch I am down

[bizutch]

Butch I am down

PM sent bro. I sent it out to as many people in this forum as I could think of, but remembering alias'es is hard.

Oh, and FYI to Peete & T-Pirate...clean out your PM's.:biggrin:

I don't know Andy's code name on here so someone let me know. I'll try to email what people I can. If you don't get an invite, it's not a snub. I probably just missed you. Fire me an email or a PM.:busted:

[Peete]

PMs cleaned and Andy's handle is adevault.

[legend_killer]

I'm down

[BKQuill]

Phase 1 is Complete!!!! I took a picture of myself laughing hysterically and went down to Kinko’s last night. They printed it up life size. Now I need to make the voice recording. Sneaky Sneaky!!!:brows:

Post a pic of you standing next to it so we can check it out.

[jet]

I'm in if I have money coming in by then. 3 weeks looking for a job and lots of nibbles, just no bites. That bites. HA HA I made a pun.
So with the two runs down, do we need to climb to the top both times, or just the first? Also, Im trying to get a couple of buddies to go with, one may, one may not. If that's cool with you.

[bizutch]

definitely plan on climbing both times unless you know the back way into the top...which is one long, long drive.

We'll all take a break after the first run and eat lunch, etc before heading up around 11:30-12pm. PM sent about the other guys.

legend...sending you a PM.

[FCLinder]

Ok, how cool is my wife? She moved the Baby Shower to Sunday the 12th. Looks like I am going to make it now!!!!:banana:

[bizutch]

Ok, how cool is my wife? She moved the Baby Shower to Sunday the 12th. Looks like I am going to make it now!!!!:banana:

some chic was riding your bike at W-rock this weekend?

[profro]

some chic was riding your bike at W-rock this weekend?

Yeah, I was really suprized to see her trying to ride a large Izimu, she's tiny.

[bizutch]

Yeah, I was really suprized to see her trying to ride a large Izimu, she's tiny.

Large?

[profro]

Large?

Yep, its stamped in the serial number on the BB shell.

[FCLinder]

That is funny it says Large when it has a TT of 22.5". I ordered a small too.

[profro]

That is funny it says Large when it has a TT of 22.5". I ordered a small too.

I suspect you measured the real top tube length, not the effective. The real TT length on larges is 22.5, but the effective is 23.2.

Smalls have DHS in the serial number...

Larges have DHL in the serial number...

I sat on it in the parking lot on Saturday and knew right away it was a Large without looking at the serial number. However we comfirmed it was a large by looking at the serial number.

Her and her husband are such nice people. I met them at Snowshoe and she is so into Morewoods.

[bizutch]

.... and she is so into Morewoods.

buh dump bump "ching"

[FCLinder]

I suspect you measured the real top tube length, not the effective. The real TT length on larges is 22.5, but the effective is 23.2.

Smalls have DHS in the serial number...

Larges have DHL in the serial number...

I sat on it in the parking lot on Saturday and knew right away it was a Large without looking at the serial number. However we comfirmed it was a large by looking at the serial number.

Her and her husband are such nice people. I met them at Snowshoe and she is so into Morewoods.

I ordered a small and have been on a large before. The large was to big for me. I know mine was a small. I am guessing they didn't put the right marking in the serial #. Doug I know you know more about Morewood frames than me, but I know it was a small.

[bizutch]

OK...so since our little riding community is decently low key, I'm throwing out the final details. Also, I'm headed out there this Saturday Nov. 4th to pre-ride. Anyone wanting to come check it out in advance is welcome:

Anyone wanting a scanned in copy of the local topo map, let me know. Also, there is a way to shuttle into the top of the trail if you want to pre-ride it...because knowing this trail WILL help. 90% of you guys have never ridden something so unique. It's like Green's Lick took steroids for 5-6 years, then added supplements.

Directions to Wayehutta (Roy A Taylor ATV Park):
EASIST WAY IS TO FOLLOW THE SIGNS TO Western Carolina University, but turn left on Old Cullowhee Rd (1/2 mile past Smoky Mtn High) BEFORE you get to WCU campus .


Take I-40West towards I-40 / Canton / Knoxville (18.3 mi)
At exit 27 on I40, turn RIGHT onto Ramp towards US-19 / US-23 / US-74 / Great Smokey Mountains Expressway / Clyde / Waynesville / Murphy / Atlanta / Maggie Valley (0.8 mi)
Road name changes to US-74 (0.6 mi)
Take Ramp (RIGHT) onto US-19 [US-23] (2.7 mi)
Road name changes to US-23 [US-74] (17.9 mi)
At exit 85, keep RIGHT onto Ramp towards US-23-Br / NC-107 / Cullowhee / W Carolina Univ (0.4 mi)
Road name changes to US-23 Bus (1.4 mi)
Bear LEFT (East) onto SR-107
Travel 2.5 miles to Old Cullowhee Rd (on Left)
Take Old Cullowhee Rd approx. 2-3 miles to Wayehutta Rd (before the bridge)
(Runs parallel with the river).
Follow Wayehutta Rd to the very top. Steep road dead ends into the Parking Area
Travel time from Asheville - 1hr, 10 minutes


ALL THOSE INTERESTED, PLEASE RESPOND SO I CAN CEND YOU A COPY OF THE COURSE ROUTE!!!!!.
Date - Saturday Nov. 11 .
Time - 9am Rider meeting in Parking Lot. IMMEDIATELY following will be the climb in and orientation run.
10:30am - Approximate start of Orientation run
11:30am - Casual Lunch and BS session in Parking Lot followed by climb back up
1pm - Mass start of the raffle run
Location - Wayehutta ATV Park - Cullowhee, NC behind the campus of Western Carolina University
Park fee - $5.00 to Smoky Mtn ORV Club who maintains the trail system
Raffle Ticket fee - $5.00 (goes into a pot to determine start order at the top)
Format - AM orientation run at the start.(To give riders a tour of the trail) Start time for "mass start" - approximately 1pm
Facilities - a pooper, nothing else. Bring your own food and water.
Weather - usually f-ing cold but you never know
Trail type - Really wide. 3 riders side by side is easily possible Passing is a piece of cake. Imagine Greens Lick extended over a very long period, wider and with jumps, berms and water bars like crazy...I mean tons of water bars. I've still never ridden any other trail like this.
Prizes- The raffle pot will be divided up into 3 most likely - 1st DH bike (single ring only), 1st hucker/trail bike, 1st Hardtail

A granny ring is recommended for the climb. I've pedaled, pushed and crawled it on a DH bike before, but you may want to skip the orientation run unless you shuttle to the top of Moses Creek (which is one f-ing long, long way to drive to do 1 shuttle run down). It is a tough, tough climb but very well worth it. Plan on at least an hour for the climb. Goats can hammer out the climb in 30.

If you only have a hardtail, you will not be undermanned. Full squish is of course best. DH bikes can easily run the DH, but you're gonna take a lot longer to get up top and there is a couple climbs in the Super D portion.

To pay entry fee of $5.00, send $6.00 total to my Paypal at bizutch@hotmail.com or mail $5.00 to Butch Greene
364 Emmas Grove Rd
Fletcher, NC 28732
You can buy raffle tickets from me on site...but I'd rather not track it there.

ALL THOSE INTERESTED, PLEASE RESPOND SO I CAN CEND YOU A COPY OF THE COURSE ROUTE!!!!!. :- ) bizutch@hotmail.com or 828-713-2459

[bizutch]

Here is the trail map:
http://www.cs.unca.edu/nfsnc/recreation/tayloratv.pdf

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/bizutch/CourseRoute.jpg

Did a trial run Saturday day with Matt Griffin and Daniel Sapp.

Was MASSIVELY fun. sooooooooooo, soooooooooooo many really big waterbars....geez! Just silly retarded. Up top we stopped one time and Matt looked at me and said..."That reminded me of the berms at Diablo."

He was on his hardtail and I was leading out the whole way down and Matt stayed right with me through it all except in the roughest sections!

I hope you're fit b/c the climb is tough. The potential shuttle road that leads to the top of the park from outside Cullowhee turned out to be a freakish, freakish thing!!! We drove up it for almost a half hour and were still a good 15 minutes from the top of it and just had to turn around and give up on the shuttle. It was the longest dirt road I've ever driven...and I've driven some lonnnng dirt roads!!

Ask Daniel Sapp or Matt Griffin. Don't think we'll ever forget that crazy road. Especially when I looked in the mirror and Daniel's bike was nowhere to be found!!! BUT...it was still dangling off the back of the blazer on it's BB and front skewer...barely. No damage!:D

I need to get a head count for this thing so please CONFIRM that you're coming!!! frznomad, Jeremy R, SoEast Matt, Cecil, Demolition Dave, Spoke80, Guard, CuriousCaptain, Motomike, T-Pirate, and so on down the line...drop me a line to let me know who all is coming.

If we need to tweak the format a little, we can do it on site. Recommended tire would be a 2.2 to 2.5...no more!

The climb we did to get up was:
NW on 459
West on 455
On 455 we headed to the far West leg of 456 (intersects w/ 474..which is marked 479 on the trail) At the 1/3 mark of 456, you hit a WALL of a climb and the crest of this climb is the start. We'll do rows of 2 riders like NASCAR. It'll allow a perfect start. It starts out shallow for around a 100 yards which will make for some great chances to sprint to the first sections and will really serve to break riders up.
Motoheads will have lots of time from this point to just pin it and grin it to catch up. At the left hand turn onto 463, you'll do the climb. Total time at this point 8-12 minutes. Here is where fitness can take back the game! From the top of 463, it's just sheer willpower, forearms and quadricep muscles to get to the bottom...another good 8-10 minutes solid to get you down!

[bizutch]

Oh...and I want to see if anyone can break the 20 minute mark on the descent.

[frznnomad]

my unofficial count is three. including me

[bizutch]

I've got close to a dozen confirmed and a bunch of people holding out for the weather. I'm thinking we should wind up with around 2 dozen.

[wiz]

any car camping in the area for friday night?

[bizutch]

any car camping in the area for friday night?

call 828-526-3765 for the Highlands Ranger District. They can tell you or call Smoky Mtn ORV club at 828-293-0426.

Anybody bringing their 4-wheeler?

Last weekend we only saw 5 4-wheelers all day long.

[frznnomad]

okay so today is the day. hope to see you all out there, and i cant wait to hit up a new trail for once. ill cya boys out there.:monkeydance:

[bizutch]

okay so today is the day. hope to see you all out there, and i cant wait to hit up a new trail for once. ill cya boys out there.:monkeydance:

Eric man...you're made out of rubber. :D
You hit the ground more times than a soccer ball man! Thanks for using your truck on that last run. Fokk did we fly on it.....

Jesse, Josh, the other Josh, Lothar, Matt Griffin, and on down the line.....that was even more fun than I expected it to be guys. Thanks so much for coming everyone. We'll have to go back again.

Almost dying trying to catch Jesse in his car Dukes of Hazzard style was no fun though. And next time, bring some Benadryl.:happydance:

[frznnomad]

ehhh well what can i say i just learned to pick my ass back up after crashes like that. i think the fact that my brakes were about gone on those runs deffinalty contributed to my crashes. ohh well.

butch man thanks for an awsome day of ridding and any time you guys are heading back out there man hit me up. absolutly loved it no matter how many times i hit the ground. ohh and thanks for the tire man its gonna come in handy.:cheers:

[bizutch]

ehhh well what can i say i just learned to pick my ass back up after crashes like that. i think the fact that my brakes were about gone on those runs deffinalty contributed to my crashes. ohh well.

butch man thanks for an awsome day of ridding and any time you guys are heading back out there man hit me up. absolutly loved it no matter how many times i hit the ground. ohh and thanks for the tire man its gonna come in handy.:cheers:

I still can't believe you wrecked on the same water bar twice...

The guys from Knoxville said you hitting one jump, then pogoing on the second and highsiding the 3rd...all in 1 crash...was the highlight of the weekend though.

Plus...everyone's bike that went up in your truck now has a tattoo on their downtube from the tailgate. We're like a secret brotherhood of the bike now. Branded like a frat!:disgust:

The guy onthe 29'er was banging out the climbs like a beast though. Heck, I never realized the guy who got bee stung on the wrist 5 minutes into the climb had a broken collarbone from 3 weeks earlier. He never complained once.

[frznnomad]

ahh well i aim to please. im just glad that they enjoyed it, and about the dude with the bee sting that guy was crazy. i was really impressed with him for having a broken collar bone. i prolly wouldnt have even ridden mad props to him.

[bizutch]

ahh well i aim to please. im just glad that they enjoyed it, and about the dude with the bee sting that guy was crazy. i was really impressed with him for having a broken collar bone. i prolly wouldnt have even ridden mad props to him.

oh...and we hit the Mexican restaurant and you were nowhere to be found? Get lost messing with your laptop?

[frznnomad]

yeh matt said you guys were headed there but i had a few things i had to take care of at the house, and i really didnt have any money :bonk: . sorry i missed you guys maybee next time were out there ill join in on the fun.:cheers:

[bizutch]

Side note to anyone wanting to do this ride in the future:
As you head up through the back of the parking lot on the first trail #455, about 1/2 to 3/4 mile in, the trail turns back left and uphill steeply(on the map it's just past the label #455) . There is a LARGE tree down at this point over the original trail. I highly recommend climbing over the tree and using this old trailbed to get to the intersection of #457 and #459, to continue left up and back onto #455.

If you stay left on 455 at the downed tree, you're in for the most brutal, steep climb with no descent that goes up to a peak and add a good 20 minutes to your ride!