ENO eccentric Vs Phil Wood [Archive]

Multi Grooves

09-30-2006, 08:08 PM

I've recently decided to go fully SS on my '06 Kona Explosif. I want to get a fixed/free flip flop hub and am considering between White Industries ENO eccentric and the Phil Wood K.I.S.S OFF (both 135mm).

How would the peeps out there compare either of the products? I'd rather spend less £££ But not at the expense of more headache in the long term.

I'm not sure but I think that ENO's freewheels are asymetric i.e. it doesn't have the same distance for the freewheels on both side of the flip flop in relation to the chainline. Can anyone confirm this? Would this be a problem for a given crank?

zebrahum

09-30-2006, 08:32 PM

Well, I have to first mention that I don't have any experience with the Phill Wood hub. However, I am looking at my brand new, waiting to be built Eno flip flop over here on my desk. So I can tell you the freewheels are not asymetric, they are both lined up to be concentric with the axle's rotation. Or simply, they both would have the same chainline.

I think the most important difference between your two hubs is the ability to adjust your chain tension without using a singulator or similar device (unless the Explosif has an eccentric BB). So using the eccentric hub, you can tension your chain, and crank on it, and not have to worry about the tensioner device not holding up and causing your chain to slip. It's worth the money for the simplicity of the Eno.

shiggy

10-03-2006, 09:35 PM

I've recently decided to go fully SS on my '06 Kona Explosif. I want to get a fixed/free flip flop hub and am considering between White Industries ENO eccentric and the Phil Wood K.I.S.S OFF (both 135mm).

How would the peeps out there compare either of the products? I'd rather spend less £££ But not at the expense of more headache in the long term.

I'm not sure but I think that ENO's freewheels are asymetric i.e. it doesn't have the same distance for the freewheels on both side of the flip flop in relation to the chainline. Can anyone confirm this? Would this be a problem for a given crank?
The Explosif has sliding dropouts so there is no need for an eccentric hub. WI does offer the ENO hub with a standard axle. The flip flop ENO is also a fixed/free, not a free/free.

-dustin

10-03-2006, 09:38 PM

shiggy? on RM? huh?

i think i'd go Phil over WI.

shiggy

10-04-2006, 12:59 AM

shiggy? on RM? huh?...

Scary, isn't it?:eek:

stinkyboy

10-31-2006, 09:21 AM

I <3 Phil Wood.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/stinkyboy/Biking%20Photos/A4.jpg

chuffer

11-09-2006, 12:50 PM

i just threw up a little in my mouth...

what the hell is that?

Angus

11-09-2006, 01:30 PM

Phil Is the Bomb!
Eno is Nice, But I would rather have Phil over almost any hub...

stinkyboy

11-09-2006, 02:29 PM

what the hell is that?

Dual drive full suspension singlespeed.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/stinkyboy/Biking%20Photos/A1.jpg

What, you've never seen one?

:shocked:

BigMike

11-09-2006, 04:58 PM

StinkyBoy, the question is begging to be asked..........why?

stinkyboy

11-09-2006, 05:24 PM

It's been asked many times... I'm not a weight weenie, and it's nice to have a one of a kind ride.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a344/stinkyboy/Garbage/Bling.gif

BikeGeek

11-09-2006, 06:08 PM

Dual drive full suspension singlespeed.

How many more threads are you gonna muck up with pictures of that monstrosity N8?

;)

BigMike

11-09-2006, 11:36 PM

OK, now I must ask........ How??

stinkyboy

11-10-2006, 09:02 AM

How many more threads are you gonna muck up with pictures of that monstrosity N8?

;)

It's my substitute for not having kids. I stop people on the streets and show them photos. :twitch:

OK, now I must ask........ How??

It's a custom made hub from Phil Wood with the engagements slightly "off" so one side will engage 50% of the time on average. The cranks are tandems.
The A frame has a pivot point built into the frame so theres no chain slack.

It's fun as hell to ride, and chicks dig it.

:monkeydance:

JohnE

11-13-2006, 09:35 AM

How does the ride differ from a right side cranked only scoot?

stinkyboy

11-13-2006, 09:44 AM

How does the ride differ from a right side cranked only scoot?

Not much. I'm hardly aware of it when riding, but each time I look down it makes me smile.

:banana:

Westy

11-13-2006, 09:52 AM

In case of catastrauphic wheel failure the dual chains act like tank treads to limp home. You just have to bunny hop twice every crank revolution to stop from hitting your pedals on stuff.

stinkyboy

11-13-2006, 09:58 AM

In case of catastrauphic wheel failure the dual chains act like tank treads to limp home. You just have to bunny hop twice every crank revolution to stop from hitting your pedals on stuff.

Your optimism is inspiring!

:biggrin:

blackmarketg4

12-07-2006, 09:44 PM

speechless