PDA

View Full Version : Hitchens on the pope thing...


Silver
09-18-2006, 10:04 PM
When he's not banging the drum that Saddam and al Qaeda were connected, I still like him:

http://www.slate.com/id/2149863/

To read the bulk of the speech, however, is to realize that, if he had chanced to be born in Turkey or Syria instead of Germany, the bishop of Rome could have become a perfectly orthodox Muslim.

Most of all, throughout his address to the audience at Regensburg, the man who modestly considers himself the vicar of Christ on Earth maintained a steady attack on the idea that reason and the individual conscience can be preferred to faith. He pretends that the word Logos can mean either "the word" or "reason," which it can in Greek but never does in the Bible, where it is presented as heavenly truth. He mentions Kant and Descartes in passing, leaves out Spinoza and Hume entirely, and dishonestly tries to make it seem as if religion and the Enlightenment and science are ultimately compatible, when the whole effort of free inquiry always had to be asserted, at great risk, against the fantastic illusion of "revealed" truth and its all-too-earthly human potentates.

edit: No cheap shots at the Hitler Youth thing either. More restraint than I have...

stevew
09-18-2006, 10:11 PM
The one or two times I had seen him on I think Dennis Millers show on HBO, he always seemed sh!t faced? The same way William F. Buckley always sounds.

I like him.

I try not to pay attention to what the pope says.

Silver
09-18-2006, 10:22 PM
The first thing that get tossed out against him is that he's a drunk.

Of course, the same people who will read the column I posted and make that claim as a slur will have been faithful Rush Limbaugh listeners...

MikeD
09-18-2006, 11:12 PM
I have Hitchens' "Long Short War," a collection of his 2003 and earlier thoughts on Iraq. It's quite painful to read these days. Kind of undercuts his 'call a spade a spade,' incisive-perceptive persona.

Still like reading him, though.

Silver
09-18-2006, 11:13 PM
I have Hitchens' "Long Short War," a collection of his 2003 and earlier thoughts on Iraq. It's quite painful to read these days. Kind of undercuts his 'call a spade a spade,' incisive-perceptive persona.

Still like reading him, though.

He's always entertaining.

kidwoo
09-19-2006, 10:00 AM
He's always entertaining.

Most drunks are.

$tinkle
09-19-2006, 10:09 AM
he's drunk w/ knowledge.

for those of you who would like to catch up on hitch in bursts: youtoob results (http://youtube.com/results?search_query=hitchens&search=Search)

he's one of my favourite atheists.

** to add **: some more a/v (http://users.rcn.com/peterk.enteract/2AV.html)