Shooting at Dawson College

[MMike]

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/09/13/shots-dawson.html

[MMike]

Pretty effed up.....14 girls killed at Poly in '89....then Fabrikant at Concordia in....'91 I think, kills 4 profs...

Frickin nuts.....

[ukjason]

just 1 question and im not starting any arguments between the USA and uk but why is there so many guns in the USA and canada

[Secret Squirrel]

just 1 question and im not starting any arguments between the USA and uk but why is there so many guns in the USA and canada

'Cause we have the right to bear arms, and arm bears...whatever the hell we wanna do. That's why. :disgust: :brow:

[MMike]

just got this email



It's pretty bad :-(

they just talked to one guy, and he saw 5 people get hit, said the guy had some sort of small machine gun typed pistol.

Reporters saying it may now be MORE than 2 suspects shooting ..... damn. Some very seriously hurt they are
not saying.

More injured in there they can't get to.

[ukjason]

'Cause we have the right to bear arms, and arm bears...whatever the hell we wanna do. That's why. :disgust: :brow:

Right that answer's my question :brow: :brow:

[H8R]

just 1 question and im not starting any arguments between the USA and uk but why is there so many guns in the USA and canada

Because there is a market.

Armies of trenchcoat-wearing-acne-riddled-virgin-WOW playing-Slipknot-fans with access to mom's purse.

[mud'n'sweat]

Damn, didn't Michael Moore visit CN in bowling for columbine to ask students there why there were never such incidents in their country? MMike, are those other incidents you mention in CN as well? I hope the victims of this are rescued and pull through if seriously injured. Just goes to show we are dealing with these things together and not apart.

[Transcend]

Hundreds of cops are surrounding the campus and the metro and buses are all shutdown over that direction.

[Transcend]

Damn, didn't Michael Moore visit CN in bowling for columbine to ask students there why there were never such incidents in their country? MMike, are those other incidents you mention in CN as well? I hope the victims of this are rescued and pull through if seriously injured. Just goes to show we are dealing with these things together and not apart.

Those other situations were all in MONTREAL, not just Canada.

[MMike]

cnn is saying the shooter has shot himself. CBCsays nothing about it

[mud'n'sweat]

just 1 question and im not starting any arguments between the USA and uk but why is there so many guns in the USA and canada

Because Armies of trenchcoat-wearing-acne-riddled-virgin-WOW playing-Slipknot-fans with access to mom's purse in the UK are always 10 years behind the latest trends of trenchcoat-wearing-acne-riddled-virgin-WOW playing-Slipknot-fans with access to mom's purse over here?

[splat]

didn't Michael Moore visit CN in bowling for columbine to ask students there why there were never such incidents in their country?

And you believe anything that fat sh!t Michael Moore says ?

[mud'n'sweat]

cnn is saying the shooter has shot himself. CBCsays nothing about it

Lets hope so. Hopefully the injured can get pulled out immediately.

[mud'n'sweat]

And you believe anything that fat sh!t Michael Moore says ?

No, that is why I made that comment.

[Transcend]

CNN is now carrying this live as well.

[robdamanii]

Jesus...another senseless tragedy. I don't understand what motivates kids these days to take another person's life.

[Transcend]

Montreal police spokemen rule with their bad english:

If the suspect is still inside the building, he will be taken out sooner than later.

[H8R]

Because Armies of trenchcoat-wearing-acne-riddled-virgin-WOW playing-Slipknot-fans with access to mom's purse in the UK are always 10 years behind the latest trends of trenchcoat-wearing-acne-riddled-virgin-WOW playing-Slipknot-fans with access to mom's purse over here?

UK atwarvwpsfwamps have more acne, because of all the chips ya know.



School shootings - damn. I am so glad I got my kid out of Oakland.

[ukjason]

W>t>f

[MMike]

They are supposedyl talking about multiple shooters now....

[Transcend]

Now they are saying shooter killed self, 1 killed by police.

[MMike]

Montreal police spokemen rule with their bad english:

.

Uhhh. da guy.... he uh....make shoo-ting... wit da gun....an' uhhh..it's bad

[bluebug32]

A shooting at Dawson?

Are Pacey and Joey okay?




But in all seriousness....

[Transcend]

CNN rules "the canada radio station is saying 2 are killed"

Apparently we only have 1 radio station up here in the frozen north.

[Secret Squirrel]

Jesus...another senseless tragedy. I don't understand what motivates kids these days to take another person's life.

50 bucks that by the evening news, this will be blamed on the video game and music industries....

W>t>f

Fine, you want a crappy civics lesson...here ya go. Buncha years ago we revolted. We had guns. The people that wrote the law thought about the possibility that the government that we ousted might be back, so they put in a few phrases about the right to have guns. It's become a part of our nation.

People shoot for sport, have guns for protection (Never know when you'll have to use that fully auto AR-15 on 3 dozen burglars wearing head to toe body armor...), and just generally like getting a hard-on from holding something that has the power to kill another being (animal, alien, human....whatever).

There's a definite market for it in this country because it's engrained early on that guns are an American way of life in a lot of people. They're easy to get because of said stigma and the fact that the government lobbyists make it so.


I'm sure that if people in the UK started playing too much GTA:SA and listening to Slipknot and Mudvayne that you're school shooting statistics would make a meteoric rise... :disgust: :disgust: Cause that's the problem :rolleyes:

There....sufficient?

[ukjason]

don't schools across there have security

[ukjason]

50 bucks that by the evening news, this will be blamed on the video game and music industries....



Fine, you want a crappy civics lesson...here ya go. Buncha years ago we revolted. We had guns. The people that wrote the law thought about the possibility that the government that we ousted might be back, so they put in a few phrases about the right to have guns. It's become a part of our nation.

People shoot for sport, have guns for protection (Never know when you'll have to use that fully auto AR-15 on 3 dozen burglars wearing head to toe body armor...), and just generally like getting a hard-on from holding something that has the power to kill another being (animal, alien, human....whatever).

There's a definite market for it in this country because it's engrained early on that guns are an American way of life in a lot of people. They're easy to get because of said stigma and the fact that the government lobbyists make it so.


I'm sure that if people in the UK started playing too much GTA:SA and listening to Slipknot and Mudvayne that you're school shooting statistics would make a meteoric rise... :disgust: :disgust: Cause that's the problem :rolleyes:

There....sufficient?

No need to get arsy about it.

[Transcend]

don't schools across there have security

Sure. Do you honestly expect an $8 an hour security guard to jump in front of 3 armed gunmen and shine his flashlight at them?

[ukjason]

i agree but back to my comment at the begining don't everyone own a gun plus i would of thought your security guards would be armed

[Munster]

Uhhh. da guy.... he uh....make shoo-ting... wit da gun....an' uhhh..it's bad

That's more coherent than the english teenagers they are interviewing. The word 'like' needs to be banned from existence.

[Secret Squirrel]

No need to get arsy about it.

Sorry. My intent was not to be a dick. I assumed (incorrectly) that at some point your guy's schooling system would've addressed this as at least a tertiary topic of discussion. No worries though.

I'm just fed up with the "It's everyone else's fault" crap that gets thrown around whenever something like this happens.

[Transcend]

4 killed, 16 injured.

[Transcend]

That's more coherent than the english teenagers they are interviewing. The word 'like' needs to be banned from existence.

i was thinking the same thing.

[Secret Squirrel]

i agree but back to my comment at the begining don't everyone own a gun plus i would of thought your security guards would be armed

Nope...usually campus security (Usually referred to as Rent-a-Cops) don't have weapons because guns aren't allowed on campus. And they're not actually law enforcement officers. The University of Washington (where I went for awhile) has their own police force with training...the whole nine yards.....so they carry weapons...but it's a campus that's the size of a small city so they can justify it.

[Secret Squirrel]

4 killed, 16 injured.

Ugh....sad.

[ukjason]

4 killed, 16 injured.

Holy **** this is some serious ****

[Transcend]

Most large universities have real deal police forces that have jurisdiction on their campus. Dawson is NOT a university, it is a CEGEP. Think 2 year prep school.

[MMike]

Sure. Do you honestly expect an $8 an hour security guard to jump in front of 3 armed gunmen and shine his flashlight at them?

He can also poke you with his radio antenna

[S.K.C.]

Nope...usually campus security (Usually referred to as Rent-a-Cops) don't have weapons because guns aren't allowed on campus. And they're not actually law enforcement officers. The University of Washington (where I went for awhile) has their own police force with training...the whole nine yards.....so they carry weapons...but it's a campus that's the size of a small city so they can justify it.


...actually it varies from campus to campus. Here in Pennsylvania I've seen campus security cops driving full-on police issue cruisers with 12-gauges bolted upright to the dash in security locks. This was at Edinborough University near Erie Pa.

Here at Penn State we have a rifle team AND I just found out a rifle range on campus. One of the frats here (known as the "Tree" House) is comprised mostly of Forestry majors and go on bear hunts regularly.

I don't mind our gun laws here in the U.S. - if there were a law prohibiting the ownership of one I think it would put law abiding citizens at a huge disadvantage when it came to protection and self-defense.

Unfortunately you get someone who goes around the bend from time to time and perpetrates these kinds of horrific acts.

[Tame Ape]

He can also poke you with his radio antenna

but thats when I get mad and push over his Cushman

[Jeremy R]

He can also poke you with his radio antenna

Or hurt your ears with his whistle.



That is a horrible story though that happens way to often.

[robdamanii]

50 bucks that by the evening news, this will be blamed on the video game and music industries....




People shoot for sport, have guns for protection (Never know when you'll have to use that fully auto AR-15 on 3 dozen burglars wearing head to toe body armor...), and just generally like getting a hard-on from holding something that has the power to kill another being (animal, alien, human....whatever).


Probably.

And I keep my AR-15 by my bed in case the ETs come to take my sh!t.

[N8]

just 1 question and im not starting any arguments between the USA and uk but why is there so many guns in the USA and canada

we have them so we can use them to kick your limey asses... again if nessessary.



:cheers:

[Secret Squirrel]

...actually it varies from campus to campus. Here in Pennsylvania I've seen campus security cops driving full-on police issue cruisers with 12-gauges bolted upright to the dash in security locks. This was at Edinborough University near Erie Pa.

Here at Penn State we have a rifle team AND I just found out a rifle range on campus. One of the frats here (known as the "Tree" House) is comprised mostly of Forestry majors and go on bear hunts regularly.

I don't mind our gun laws here in the U.S. - if there were a law prohibiting the ownership of one I think it would put law abiding citizens at a huge disadvantage when it came to protection and self-defense.

Unfortunately you get someone who goes around the bend from time to time and perpetrates these kinds of horrific acts.

Right...sorry...I forgot to put in there larger campuses....'Round here we have the one big one, then it's a bunch of tech schools (like Dawson) and community colleges...They don't have the resources to do what the larger ones do. I was referring to all the smaller school campuses in my area...

[robdamanii]

Nope...usually campus security (Usually referred to as Rent-a-Cops) don't have weapons because guns aren't allowed on campus. And they're not actually law enforcement officers. The University of Washington (where I went for awhile) has their own police force with training...the whole nine yards.....so they carry weapons...but it's a campus that's the size of a small city so they can justify it.

At IC we had state deputized sheriffs (retired or specially trained as sheriffs) as our security force. I think it varies state to state.

[ukjason]

we have them so we can use them to kick your limey asses... again if nessessary.



:cheers:

Its people like you who do my ****ing head in

[S.K.C.]

N8 might be having a bad day.

Don't mind him.

[MMike]

N8 might be having a bad day.

Don't mind him.

??? He doesn't get any better. He's a ****ing idiot every day

[Echo]

Its people like you who do my ****ing head in
We've been working on a board customization that will allow us to confine N8 to the political forum. Until that code is completed you will just have to ignore him :p

[Secret Squirrel]

We've been working on a board customization that will allow us to confine N8 to the political forum. Until that code is completed you will just have to ignore him :p

:Approved: :Approved: :Approved: :Approved: :Approved: :Approved: :Approved: :Approved: :Approved: :Approved:


Damn IT!! Where's the button!!??! :banghead: :banghead:

[MMike]

We've been working on a board customization that will allow us to confine N8 to the political forum. Until that code is completed you will just have to ignore him :p

Banning would be quicker

[robdamanii]

We've been working on a board customization that will allow us to confine N8 to the political forum. Until that code is completed you will just have to ignore him :p

My god, I'd worship whoever could spit out that code.

[MMike]

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topnews&storyID=2006-09-13T184946Z_01_N13447108_RTRUKOC_0_US-CRIME-CANADA-SHOOTING.xml&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1

It went on for a half hour???

[DRB]

My god, I'd worship whoever could spit out that code.

I think Narlus is working on it......

[robdamanii]

I think Narlus is working on it......

I'd make an exception.

[Jeremy R]

I'd make an exception.

Narlus and Brian HCM are working on it together.
But it may never reach completion, because everytime Brian cranks up the Poison, Narlus refuses to work.
Hey, every rose has its thorn.

[robdamanii]

But it may never reach completion, because everytime Brian cranks up the Poison, Narlus refuses to work.
Hey, every rose has its thorn.

So fvcking approved. :thumb:

[$tinkle]

Pretty effed up.....14 girls killed at Poly in '89....then Fabrikant at Concordia in....'91 I think, kills 4 profs...

Frickin nuts.....from wiki: Marc Lépine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_L%C3%A9pine) & his rampage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre)

[DRB]

Narlus and Brian HCM are working on it together.
But it may never reach completion, because everytime Brian cranks up the Poison, Narlus refuses to work.
Hey, every rose has its thorn.

Its just a sad sad song.

[urbaindk]

...in case the ETs come to take my sh!t.

Extra testicles?

[rideit]

Is this going to affect global poutine consumption?

[Transcend]

No, global poutine capital is about 2 km up Ste Catherine towards St Laurent street.

[JRogers]

i agree but back to my comment at the begining don't everyone own a gun plus i would of thought your security guards would be armed

Most people in Canada and the US do not own guns. As others have said, campus security varies a lot. Where I went to school, campus cops carried nothing more dangerous than flashlights. At other schools I've been to, campus police are much more like legit cops.

[robdamanii]

Extra testicles?

I've had problems with them before. :disgust:

[johnbryanpeters]

just 1 question and im not starting any arguments between the USA and uk but why is there so many guns in the USA and canada

Speaking only for the USA:

Our political system was born as a revolution, so running around with guns is rooted in some pretty fundamental thought patterns.

There are a bunch of them because they're mostly legal and they're interesting machines, mechanical intricacy, action at a distance, loud noises, all that.

As population density increases, their posession and use tends to get discouraged. We argue about it a lot.

There are places where you're quite likely to get arrested for having one, and places like the town I live in, where the sound of gunfire is ordinary background and the neighbors think nothing of my standing at the road end of my driveway and shooting back up its length. Road signs often are peppered with bullet holes. Hilarie says it makes her feel more comfortable, at home, when she sees them coming back from a trip.

As others have noted, an occasional bozo goes nuts and shoots people. If you follow the news, you know that people act out similarly by driving motor vehicles into crowds or flying aeroplanes into office buildings. Screwed up people have many weapons to choose from.

Dunno if that addresses your question or not.

J

[skinny mike]

damn that is scary. i don't know if it has to do with the shooting, but there seemed to be a ton of cops around my school near the end of the day today. we didn't know what was going on.

[Nobody]

Police tend to get paranoid about 'copy-cats' when this sort of thing occurs...

Also, I'm not entirely surprised this always happens in Montreal - huge Hell's Angels population, among other things. It's more like some strange combination of New York and Paris underground.

If you only get to Canada once, make sure it's Montreal - seriously.

Finally, there appears only one fatality - the shooter. Nice shooting, coppers! Ten points!

[Transcend]

Police tend to get paranoid about 'copy-cats' when this sort of thing occurs...

Also, I'm not entirely surprised this always happens in Montreal - huge Hell's Angels population, among other things. It's more like some strange combination of New York and Paris underground.

If you only get to Canada once, make sure it's Montreal - seriously.

Finally, there appears only one fatality - the shooter. Nice shooting, coppers! Ten points!

Yup, impressive. Good thing it wasn't like that LA police vs SUV fiasco from a year or 2 ago.

[Nobody]

Yup, impressive. Good thing it wasn't like that LA police vs SUV fiasco from a year or 2 ago.

And for the record, i'm not bagging on Montreal - I think it's the most interesting city in Canada, and this from a guy who's lived mostly in Halifax, Toronto, Santa Barbara and Victoria/Vancouver.

[rideit]

Les Flick's dun good!!

[Silver]

And for the record, i'm not bagging on Montreal - I think it's the most interesting city in Canada, and this from a guy who's lived mostly in Halifax, Toronto, Santa Barbara and Victoria/Vancouver.

How can you leave Edmonton off that list?

:disgust1:

[Nobody]

How can you leave Edmonton off that list?

:disgust1:

Cuz i only lived there for 3 months. Doesn't count.

[Silver]

Cuz i only lived there for 3 months. Doesn't count.

Lucky bastard...

[MMike]

Apparently one woman did die of her injuries.....

[Nobody]

Apparently one woman did die of her injuries.....

...damn that fucqer to a thousand hate-filled hells...

...goddamit...

[Da Peach]

Ian's had a retarded day at work.

Fackin TVA. They go announcing that someone died, all the other networks spread the story, then he gets a call from TVA a half hour later asking if the report of a death can be confirmed.

Way to get the scoop...

[Nobody]

Ian's had a retarded day at work.

Fackin TVA. They go announcing that someone died, all the other networks spread the story, then he gets a call from TVA a half hour later asking if the report of a death can be confirmed.

Way to get the scoop...

dunno who Ian or TVA is... but this is what i used to confirm...

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1158141737594&call_pageid=968332188492&StarSource=RSS

[MMike]

Ian is a buddy of his that works at a local hospital (Royal Vic). TVA is a french news station.

[Da Peach]

He's public relations for all MUHC. Apparently he was in the ER full of bleeding people. Not a good day.

[$tinkle]

hows this for blinkered coverage: 'terrorism not behind' school shooting (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20409999-1702,00.html) - The Australian

i bet tim mcveigh's ashes [worth $10cdn] there were a few terrorised students there

[MMike]

Apparently the freak who did it has/had a blog with photos of himself holding a semi auto rifle of some kind....and pics of a tonbstone with his name on it.....he was a freaky goth dude. From Laval.... frickin' Laval man...

[MMike]

yikes
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/09/14/gunman-shooting.html
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2006/09/14/top-gill-knife_cp_10739848.jpg

In his profile on vampirefreaks.com, a website devoted to goth culture, Gill calls himself "Trench," saying: "You will come to know him as the Angel of Death."

"Work sucks… School sucks… Life sucks… What else can I say," he writes. "Metal and Goth kick ass. Life is like a video game, you gotta die sometime."

A photo gallery that accompanies the profile includes photos that show Gill brandishing a Barretta CX4 Storm semi-automatic rifle. In the last seven photos, he is wearing a black trench coat and holding the rifle. The caption below the last photo reads: "Ready for Action."

[N8]

yikes
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/09/14/gunman-shooting.html
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2006/09/14/top-gill-knife_cp_10739848.jpg

I'm gonna have to say that this is a clear case of liberal-on-liberal violence...

[MMike]

Fuc-k you. Stay outta my thread.


I'm gonna have to say that this is a clear case of liberal-on-liberal violence...

[N8]

Fuc-k you. Stay outta my thread.





Im in ur threadz rubbin my harblz!!!!

[Da Peach]

I don't get Goth. I guess he was a lonely Goth with no real Goth friends. Or are Goths supposed to have friends? Where was this vampirefreaks website based out of, I wonder... You'd think that the head weirdo that runs that thing would say something to someone when he saw the pics of rifles and stuff and the whole "angel of death " declaration. But I guess that wouldn't have been very Goth of him. But wouldn't a Goth, if he were a real Goth, have used a sword or something? Machine guns don't strike me as very vampiresque.

Poor guy couldn't even be a good Goth. Sad.

[Booker]

Swing by the local "Hot Topic" or shopping mall. Goths look like a bunch of greasy, pimply, fat kids to me.....

[Secret Squirrel]

i bet tim mcveigh's ashes [worth $10cdn] there were a few terrorised students there

Wtf?? Been drinkin' lately? I understand not, sir...

[$tinkle]

Wtf?? Been drinkin' lately? I understand not, sir...story reads "not terrorism"
i say "uh-huh!"

[Jeremy R]

50 bucks that by the evening news, this will be blamed on the video game and music industries....


And Secret Squirrel for teh win!

Gill wore a black trench coat during the shooting and opened fire in the cafeteria just as Columbine students Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris did in 1999. Gill also maintained an online blog, similar to Klebold and Harris, devoted to Goth culture, heavy metal music such as Marilyn Manson, guns and journal entries expressing hatred against authority figures and "society."

[Transcend]

He enjoyed playing a game called "super columbine killer", i **** you not. It was just in an AP story I read off the wire.

[Secret Squirrel]

story reads "not terrorism"
i say "uh-huh!"

Oooohhh....I read your post and just didn't put the words together like I should've. Now I get it.

Har!

[MMike]

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=fbe2e61f-b2af-4cdf-96ae-a52986ffe5c9&k=8151