Rocco VS DHX 5.0

[Pommi]

Hi,
I have a 2005 Giant Faith 3, with a 66 rc2x, and the manitou metel in the back. I want to replace the metel, and I have 2 options:
1. Fox DHX 5.0 2006\7
2. Marz. Rocco RC 2006

I ride mostly DH, and a little bit of FR...

can you help me?

thx.

[hungryleprican]

Just by feeling the DHX 5 and the ROCCO... I'd have to say the DHX had a much more alive and jumpy feeling. Rocco seemed like a little less of a livly feeling...more dead

[dropmachine.com]

You're kidding me right?

[bikerpunk98199]

the dhx and roco are a very similar feeling shock. the upside to the roco is you can overhaul it on your own instead of having to send it in. the roco may ride better on the faith b/c there is no platform. im considering putting a roco on my glory so i can work on it and put shims in it to drop the b.b.

[hungryleprican]

You're kidding me right?

the rocco I rode felt dead.. maybe it was out of adjustment.. but compared to the DHX 5, it definitly felt dead

[Arena_Swe]

I've got at Rocco (2006) on my Bullit, it's not dead at all, rides perfect! :-)

[Pommi]

doesnt the rocco bob a lot because there's no platform or a low speed compression? I do need to pedal with damm, and i dont want to "float" when im pedaling...

[dropmachine.com]

So learn how to pedal properly.

[Eren]

^^ haha its all about the pedaling, i love my rocco more than my friends dhx.

[Eren]

the rocco I rode felt dead.. maybe it was out of adjustment.. but compared to the DHX 5, it definitly felt dead

maybe because my rebound is slower than most dhx's. most dhx';s feel like a ****ing pogo stick.

[downhillracer]

maybe because my rebound is slower than most dhx's. most dhx';s feel like a ****ing pogo stick.

wrong. the dhx can go from slow to fast easily, they don't all feel dead, only the dhxs that people set up that way.

[cuasidh]

uhmm....the only deal that i don't like of my new roco...is the rebound adjustment..it doesn't work quite good (other ones here in Chile are having the same problem)...

but it works pretty good, and is a good shock

[sayndesyn]

they seem like a pretty comparable ride if setup properly. Minus the propedal. Off course if you push it then the propedal is gone anyways.

[Bicyclist]

I prefer the DHX because it's lighter, the ROCO's "servicability" is BS as there aren't any parts available, and there's always the ProPedal if you ever need it.

[Eren]

wrong. the dhx can go from slow to fast easily, they don't all feel dead, only the dhxs that people set up that way.

i know they can. im saying the rebound on my roco is slow and most dhx's ive ridden have fasdt rebound, which feels like a pogo stick, never said anything about uneasy adjustment

[downhillracer]

i know they can. im saying the rebound on my roco is slow and most dhx's ive ridden have fasdt rebound, which feels like a pogo stick, never said anything about uneasy adjustment

thats not what i'm saying at all. I'm saying you shouldn't judge a shock by someone's bad set-up. also remember you don't want you suspension too slow or it'll pack up and thats bad bad bad.

[bikerpunk98199]

thats not what i'm saying at all. I'm saying you shouldn't judge a shock by someone's bad set-up. also remember you don't want you suspension too slow or it'll pack up and thats bad bad bad.
werd!:banana:

[evilbob]

Both shocks are good tools to make your ride better. With that said they are only as good as they are set up. Both shocks when setup (and maintained) correctly will work on just about anybike. I pedal verywell (ex-roadie from waaaayyyyy back) and ride clipped in most of the time and find platform adjustments on my DH rig (Demo 9) useless for anything beyond trail riding. Because I don't need the platform I prefer the ROCO. That is just my pref and I feel the same way when riding platform peds for DH too. That doesn't mean I dislike platform shocks either when they work right, as I ride a FOES FXR 2:1 most of the time and it is my favorite bike.

For DH I also prefer the ROCO because of tunability/servicability. Yes you can get in and mess with the oil/volume/shims and this can be a great thing if you know what you are doing and very bad if you don't have a clue. I and a few others have posted a number of times (search this site) some setup info that will help overcome some of the compression/rebound and progression issues some peeps experience with the ROCO out of the box. Believe me when I tell you the shock can be tuned beyond what most riders might even consider possible. But then again so can the DHX, just send it to PUSH and you may not want to ever ride a stock FOX shock again. Keep in mind the ROCO you will never wait for your shock to come back from being serviced by you, it's right there. No down time due to shipping. mfg/service turn time other riders being more important than you to said mfg/service center bla bla bla.

One more thing, if you have a very good understanding of what is going on inside the ROCO dampning wise and can brake it down and build it back again. Take a look at all the pieces closely. Measure your shims and seals and the surfaces they fit to. Except for the Marzocchi hard parts (body, cap, shaft, main piston, res. piston ........), if you check the bearing supplies and moto shops you can pretty much put together your own rebuild/tuning kit. You don't need to wait for the mythical ROCO rebuild kit from Marzocchi. :cheers:

[LokiLopez]

What about the Roco World Cup, how is is diferent?
By looking -here- (http://www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=2064) it looks like the only diference is the spring(titanium).

[Pommi]

mmmm... thats tough, i dont know what to pick... how is the rocco on fast DH and technical tracks? sticks the wheel? lazy shock? because my metel is a lazy shock...

[ElTORO]

how is the rocco on fast DH and technical tracks? sticks the wheel? lazy shock? because my metel is a lazy shock...

1. Awesome
2. Awesome
3. No Way very active. The guy who posted that "It feels Dead" made me crack up.

I have rode both. 4 Months on the 5.0 and coming up on 4 months on the ROCO. Hands down the ROCO matches my 888rc2x perrrfect. It feels like I am using a lot more of the travel with the ROCO and still do not bottom out.

:monkeydance: :monkeydance:

[Pommi]

1. Awesome
2. Awesome
3. No Way very active. The guy who posted that "It feels Dead" made me crack up.

I have rode both. 4 Months on the 5.0 and coming up on 4 months on the ROCO. Hands down the ROCO matches my 888rc2x perrrfect. It feels like I am using a lot more of the travel with the ROCO and still do not bottom out.

:monkeydance: :monkeydance:

And how was the Rocco compare to the DHX? what were the DHX weakness against the Rocco?

[Eren]

i think they both are pretty much the same, its preference, but the rocco will go better with a 888 than a dhx simply cuz there both made by marzocchi, either way whatever shock you pick, itll be a good choice.

[Arena_Swe]

->evilbob

Is there any documentation on the Rocco, as to the "self-service"?

I've got a Rocco and it's working really nice, but it would be nice to know.

Another question, the Rocco is sitting on a Bullit and I read somewhere that some ppl suggested fiddling with the shims, oil-levels and air-volumes, do you or any one know any of this? It was to make the Rocco more compatible with the Bullits geometry, to reduce pedal bob?

[ElTORO]

And how was the Rocco compare to the DHX? what were the DHX weakness against the Rocco?

Hmm......First off I only ride Lift Access/Shuttle DH runs so going up hill is not a big consideration in buying a shock for me. The DHX is a Great Shock but just doesn’t work with my style of ridding. The 5.0 has the propedal everyone knows this, I would run no propedal on the 5.0 and It still had a propedal feel. (Feels like your shock fights the travel a little before it get's to the butter) I don't like that feeling. I set the 5.0 every possible way Diff. springs less air everything. And I could never get a good feel that would work on Big Drops and Also Rock Gnar. It would either bottom out on the drop then feel like butter thru the rocks or not bottom out on the drop and feel not great thru the Rock Gnar. (I had very good techs. Working on it)

Wow too much typing....

Stock DHX dose not even come close to small bump absorption all the brake bumps disappeared when I got the ROCO. Also MZ designed this shock to match their up front suspension and IMO they did a GREAT job. It matches my 888 to perfect.

But I will admit if you get the DHX Pushed. Wow on par or better then the ROCO.

People also say with No Propedal you will get a pedal bob. I found that the ROCO pedals very well it’s just a different type of pedaling style, if that makes any sense.

If you ask this question to 50 riders you will prob. get 50 dif. responses this is just my opinion.

[ElTORO]

->evilbob

Is there any documentation on the Rocco, as to the "self-service"?

I've got a Rocco and it's working really nice, but it would be nice to know.

Another question, the Rocco is sitting on a Bullit and I read somewhere that some ppl suggested fiddling with the shims, oil-levels and air-volumes, do you or any one know any of this? It was to make the Rocco more compatible with the Bullits geometry, to reduce pedal bob?

Do you have the Book I think it talks about service in there.

First I haven't heard anything about shims for a Bullit. If you looking for a ROCO with Reduced Pedal Bob. Look at the 07 ROCO ??? don't know the last part, I'm at work and My computer is blocked all put it up later. It is aimed at Shorter Travel Bikes that has a Pedal Bob Reducier. The MZ Product Manager was telling me about it, sounds pretty cool. Don't have the full story or even if the guy was talking out of his ass. But I did see a right up about a Short Travel Roco somewhere.

[vitox]

there will be a roco TST for 07, maybe thats what you heard about.

[Arena_Swe]

Yeah I got the book, but it's really worthless. Wrong book? I've got a user-guide about setting up for sag etc ..

Downloadable?

[ElTORO]

uhmm....the only deal that i don't like of my new roco...is the rebound adjustment..it doesn't work quite good (other ones here in Chile are having the same problem)...

but it works pretty good, and is a good shock


JUST A WARNING ABOUT THE ROCO REBOUND ADJ.:

MOST ROCO'S WERE BUILT OUT OF SHOP WERE PUT TOGETHER WITH WAY TO MUCH LOCKTIGHT. RESULTING IN NOT GETTING FULL ADJ. ON YOUR REBOUND CONTROL SOMETIMES COMP. IT TAKES A FULL SERVICE TO FIX THE PROB. 3/4 IN MY GROUP HAD THIS PROB. MZ TECH. SAID HE IS SEEING IT ALL THE TIME. HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE MAIN MANF. BUT IT WOULD NOT BE VERY NICE TO REPEAT HIS WORDS ON HERE.

I BET 25% OF PEOPLE RIDING ROCO'S ARE HAVING THIS PROB. AND DON'T EVEN KNOW IT.

JUST A LITTLE HEADS UP!!!

[Pommi]

ok, thank you guys, Rocco it is! pics soon!

[vitox]

uhmm....the only deal that i don't like of my new roco...is the rebound adjustment..it doesn't work quite good (other ones here in Chile are having the same problem)...

but it works pretty good, and is a good shock

pasaselo a la planta hay un trato especial ahi.

[Bati]

pasaselo a la planta hay un trato especial ahi.
no wei, no veis que me lo va a cambiar por el avy

[Pommi]

oh, and another question- how will the Rocco pedal in 4x? yes, i do 4x with the faith too... someone has tried it in 4x?