Sette Relic

[dwaugh]

Anyone know anything about this frame? It has six inches of travel, looks to be light weight, and is meant for freeride. Here's a link to some pics of the frame - http://www.pricepoint.com/relic_images.htm
Before I start to think about buying one, I need to know if anyone can find any bad points about it, or why it might not be a good choice. :rolleyes: Personally, I think it looks pretty good.

[BMRisko]

Anyone know anything about this frame? It has six inches of travel, looks to be light weight, and is meant for freeride. Here's a link to some pics of the frame - http://www.pricepoint.com/relic_images.htm
Before I start to think about buying one, I need to know if anyone can find any bad points about it, or why it might not be a good choice. :rolleyes: Personally, I think it looks pretty good.

I was wondering the same thing...

Check this out.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150526&highlight=sette

[padrik5]

it doesn't look bad for light riding

the welds were a little squirrely maybe that's were the savings come from builders are paid with peanuts

[scrublover]

Anyone know anything about this frame? It has six inches of travel, looks to be light weight, and is meant for freeride. Here's a link to some pics of the frame - http://www.pricepoint.com/relic_images.htm
Before I start to think about buying one, I need to know if anyone can find any bad points about it, or why it might not be a good choice. :rolleyes: Personally, I think it looks pretty good.

not bad looking. i've got a supergo house brand weyless-67 (the bullit clone) and have thought of this, another catolog house brand frame as a possible replacement.

the v-brake mounts throw me. why would anyone possibly put v-brakes on a frame like this?

[bockner]

prob comes out of the same Taiwanese factories the big names use....prob just as reliable.

[padrik5]

prob comes out of the same Taiwanese factories the big names use....prob just as reliable.


wouldnt dout it

[greenhood]

What are you riding now Dwaugh?

[dwaugh]

What are you riding now Dwaugh?
2001 Stinky Primo frame. I found one review of this frame and it looked great... the welds look pretty good I think, same as on all bikes...
Here's that review. I'm really thinking I will try this frame.
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Freeride_Full_Suspension/product_125078.shtml

I'll be taking off and selling the Swinger and getting a DHX.

[bockner]

give it a shot probably a great buy, I know a guy who rides a weyless 6/7 and rips on it...never had any frame issues at all....quality likely as good as the big names

[scrublover]

2001 Stinky Primo frame. I found one review of this frame and it looked great... the welds look pretty good I think, same as on all bikes...
Here's that review. I'm really thinking I will try this frame.
http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Freeride_Full_Suspension/product_125078.shtml

I'll be taking off and selling the Swinger and getting a DHX.


edit: nevermind; just put in a preorder for a Transition covert with an RP-23! 16.5" in white is going to look nice with my Lyrik up front! Hopefully, it'll ride as nice.

[kona-ryder]

Nope, David ended up getting a 7point instead.

[gsweet]

ok, first of all, where is this frame under 500 bucks, and second, let me know how it works out...i'm in the market for a similar frame and have been skeptical of it. 6 inches travel, trail/fr style, with a rear shock for 500-600 dollars? man, i dunno. too good to be true?

[dirtydirtysouf]

ok, first of all, where is this frame under 500 bucks?

http://www.pricepoint.com/thumb/4-Specials-127-Sette-Products-True.htm


http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/14968-175_SETRD5-4-Specials-127-Sette-Products/Sette-Riddik-XC-Frame-w_-Manitou-Swinger-Air-SPV-4-Way-'06.htm

[drt_jumper]

If you want to know who it is made by take a look at this........
www.mkbicycle.com go to products then 2006 suspension it is the FR-F2 frame!

[bshinn]

The big brown truck dropped mine off last night. Looks to be pretty good deal for $460.00 to the door. Paint seems to chip fairly easily, but the machine work & welds look nice. Frame & shock (19") weigh in @ just under 9.5lbs. Switching to a DHX Air, ( NE1 want to buy a Swinger 4 way) so that should drop about a #. It will be full XT w/ CrossMax XL's & a Fox Float 36Current ride is a GT STS carbon @ 30.5 lbs. Should have it built up in about 2 weeks. Will give more details then.

BTW: A neighbor bought the Shadow frame & it also looks like a good bargan @ $160.00 delivered. Price Point had them both here in Charlotte, from Cali in less than a week.

[drt_jumper]

The big brown truck dropped mine off last night. Looks to be pretty good deal for $460.00 to the door. Paint seems to chip fairly easily, but the machine work & welds look nice. Frame & shock (19") weigh in @ just under 9.5lbs. Switching to a DHX Air, ( NE1 want to buy a Swinger 4 way) so that should drop about a #. It will be full XT w/ CrossMax XL's & a Fox Float 36Current ride is a GT STS carbon @ 30.5 lbs. Should have it built up in about 2 weeks. Will give more details then.

BTW: A neighbor bought the Shadow frame & it also looks like a good bargan @ $160.00 delivered. Price Point had them both here in Charlotte, from Cali in less than a week.

Your neighbor should have just bought the real deal from Soul Cycles not some rip off. He would have also saved $30.00 since Chad is blowing them out to make room for the 07/08 stuff at $99.00.

[bshinn]

I'm throwing the BS flag on that "real deal" comment. If Soul can afford to sell them for $130.00 or "blow them out" @ $100.00, that frame is made by the same commie slave labor that welded the Shadow.

Sette/Price Point spent the marketing dollars to get my attention, Soul didn't. They earned the extra few bucks. It's still a good deal.

BTW, Soul warranty 2yrs, Sette 5yrs. There's $30.00

[Sir_Crackien]

what he meant by the real deal is that soul design and tested the frame to get it to their fairly high strength standards. not that is made in the U.S. infact soul soul doesn't try to hide that fact at all. they like transition have actually visited the factory to see how everything is run.

one thing to remember is that ALL soul frames are painted in the states. its done by a local painter and sames to be pretty good. its nice and shiny and seems to resist abrasion to some amount

also from having souls product myself i don't think that you would ever need to warrenty any product that they make. if it broke its probably going to be your fault and not a warrentiable situation. chad and the crew there seem the have some very high quality control standards

[bshinn]

OK, the RELIC is built.

Here are the Specs:

FOX Float 36 RC2 on the front/ DHX air 5.0 on the rear.

Mavic Crossmax XL's with Specalized 2.0 tires

XT Drivetrain (Hollowtech II)

XT M755 Brakes 203fr/180rr

Easton Monkey lite carbon 31.6 mid rise bar w/ODI ruffian grips

Maverick Spedball post w/ Dirt Research Flite knockoff saddle

Shimano PD-M647 DX pedals

Tipped the scales @ 31.8 lbs.

I'll give an update after I recover from Knee surgery & can actually ride the thing.:nopity:

[drt_jumper]

I'm throwing the BS flag on that "real deal" comment. If Soul can afford to sell them for $130.00 or "blow them out" @ $100.00, that frame is made by the same commie slave labor that welded the Shadow.

Sette/Price Point spent the marketing dollars to get my attention, Soul didn't. They earned the extra few bucks. It's still a good deal.

BTW, Soul warranty 2yrs, Sette 5yrs. There's $30.00

The real deal comment was about the fact that Price point....blatantly stole the Design from Chad, this was after they approached him about selling his frames on their website...He did not want that, so I guess price point got pissed and stole the design and slapped their house name on it. Also to the warranty issue...if you read a little further on Souls web page you would have noticed that it says in not so many words that, if you have a problem and it is after the two year mark, Chad will take care of you, (within reason) of course. I am glad you got a good deal on a frame..and enjoy it. However I get pissed when companies break their back to get geometry right and testing and some big bully (pricepoint) comes along and steals the frame. That is the problem I had.

Oh and Sircrakien just so you and everyone else is aware all painting of frames is being done oversea's to keep costs down, along with the numerous headaches he has had over the recent years regarding paint.

Good luck with the knee surgery, I am just coming back from ACL reconstruction, kick ass in rehab and you will be back on the bike stronger than ever.
Adam

[gsweet]

alright, so lets see some pictures and whatnot...i'm still thinking about picking one of these up and would love to take a look at it built

[redical]

However I get pissed when companies break their back to get geometry right and testing and some big bully (pricepoint) comes along and steals the frame.

As one of the test riders that has scars & chronic aches to show for the testing of that Loki design, I, for one, do not appreciate Sette's blatant thievery. :disgust1:

And don't even get me started on the whole Duncon deal again!

And Soul Cycles may not have the big advertising bucks that Pricepoint has, but atleast what they can afford they put into supporting their riders & listening to their feedback. Who does Pricepoitn/Sette support?

We, the factory riders, are extremely well taken care of for being sponsored by a small, indie manufacturer.

Mi 2 centavos,
Alejandro

[bshinn]

Since Soul spent the time & money to design that frame, why did they not cover it with legal protection such as trademarks/patents?

The Relic, & Shadow frames are both advertised on MK bicycles website, & it appeared that Price Point was simply importing them under their brand. That I have no problem with, but if I had known about the Soul issue that might have affected my choice.

I still question how much R&D time/money a "small indie" can spend on a frame that sells for less than $150.00. I applaude Soul for supporting their factory riders, but in no way do I feel guilty for buying from Price Point.

As for more info on the RELIC, I will be cleared to ride after the 10th & will let you know my impressions then. I can tell you this much, unless it rides like ****, ( & I have no reason to expect it to), I would recommend it. The welds look nice, machine work is very good, the angles came out right & the linkage is tight. I wish it was a little lighter (32.5#), but the Speedball post & 36mm fork, & 647 pedals cost a few lbs at least.

[drt_jumper]

Since Soul spent the time & money to design that frame, why did they not cover it with legal protection such as trademarks/patents?

The Relic, & Shadow frames are both advertised on MK bicycles website, & it appeared that Price Point was simply importing them under their brand. That I have no problem with, but if I had known about the Soul issue that might have affected my choice.

I still question how much R&D time/money a "small indie" can spend on a frame that sells for less than $150.00. I applaude Soul for supporting their factory riders, but in no way do I feel guilty for buying from Price Point.



The Shadow/Loki frame is not on MK's website, the frame that is on that website is almost completely different. The only thing similar is the seattube gusset, and the dropouts, everything else is different, look a little closer and you will see the following differances
Top tube and down tube on the Soul are rectangle to round tubes
The headtube gusset is completely different
The chainstay yoke is different
The loki has different seatstay tubing
The loki has no brake mounts
The Loki chainstays are different
All that said the bikes are completely different. Many manufacturers use the same dropouts, that is the only real similarities of the frames.
The loki frame was designed by Chad (owner of Soul Cycles)

As far as the testing and r&d on a $150 frame comment. The frame originally sold for $285.00 and the reason why Soul's prices are so good is because Chad is not looking to get rich off of building bikes, he loves doing it and thinks that the prices of most bikes out there today are ridiculous...Well at least the mark up on them. If I told you how much some bike companies pay to build their frames i.e. total cost and then what they sell them for, you would lose your mind.
As far as the patent/trademark issue, it costs alot to go through that process from what I understand and Chad didnt think that the frame would get stolen. I am glad you like your bike, however it is the things that Pricepoint do that help cause small company's to go under, and that is no good for anyone.
Adam

[bshinn]

Adam,
Fair enuf. I know the markup on most frames is astronomic, & the fact that it sold for $285.00 leads me to beleave Chad did in fact fire up the cad software himself. I would like to learn more about this issue of Soul vs PricePoint issue.
I read many MTB peridicals MBS, BIKE, Mountain BIke, ect & have never heard of Soul, if I had the money would likley have gone to Chad.
As a small Business owner myself I understand his position, but I refuse to bash larger companies such as Wal Mart just because they fight hard for market share. I want my little company grow & prosper and will ( within legal & ethical limits) do what I can to drive my competitors out of the marketplace. If PricePoint did in fact steal a design, I'd like more proof, because I have no intention of supporting them with my hard earned dollars if they did.