if you ever doubted the blind zealotry of a 29er fan...

[narlus]

all you need to do is to read this thread (http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=201943)

some classic stuff there.

man, the two guys cloxxi and ncj01 are beauts, standing out from a crowded field.

[N8]

There are MANY wings in the Asylum.....


:rofl:

[Mike B.]

careful narlus, njc01 is N8's pusher of all things ti/carbon

The zealots get me too though and I've got a new 29er coming soon. If it works for you it works.

[MMcG]

Narlus - I agree that some people are a little over the top with their fanaticism, but then again, you seem very close minded to the concept in a reverse sort of way, would you not say that is a pretty accurate assumption on my part?

[N8]

Narlus - I agree that some people are a little over the top with their fanaticism, but then again, you seem very close minded to the concept in a reverse sort of way, would you not say that is a pretty accurate assumption on my part?


Isn't there some meat narlus needs to go rub in the Beer & Food forum?






:rofl: :rofl:

[BikeGeek]

If it works for you it works.
Well said. I usually steer clear of the debate threads. If I'm having fun, who cares what size my wheels are?

:)

[narlus]

Narlus - I agree that some people are a little over the top with their fanaticism, but then again, you seem very close minded to the concept in a reverse sort of way, would you not say that is a pretty accurate assumption on my part?

not at all. i see 29ers as fitting a niche, and i've got a couple of friends who like theirs for what they do (long endurance riding; both hardtails). to get all pissy about what Dave Turner said in some mag was hilarious! the koolaid supply must have taken quite a hit during that stretch.

also, i find it very funny that these guys (padre, ncj01, cloxxi, jbogner, et al) seem to have ZERO idea about what makes a good DH bike good; based on their statements they seem to have a greater familiarity w/ fishing for coelecanths as compared to how a DH bike rides.

N8, tell yr hookup friend to get better musical taste...c'mon, a jim morrison avatar? :rofl:

[narlus]

Isn't there some meat narlus needs to go rub in the Beer & Food forum?






:rofl: :rofl:

what was wrong w/ 'chicken'?

[N8]

Well said. I usually steer clear of the debate threads. If I'm having fun, who cares what size my wheels are?

:)


Ditto... now that the 29" wheel is firmly entrenched there is no need to talk about it so much anymore. There are tons of choices in frames and gear for them and more hitting the market every day. And there are a LOT of riders out on them and that alone pretty much ends the 'debate' on the subject.


:)

[N8]

what was wrong w/ 'chicken'?

could have been taken the 'wrong' way... :p

[narlus]

Ditto... now that the 29" wheel is firmly entrenched there is no need to talk about it so much anymore. There are tons of choices in frames and gear for them and more hitting the market every day. And there are a LOT of riders out on them and that alone pretty much ends the 'debate' on the subject.


:)

N8, the 'debate' is highly slanted toward the frothers, in that they have an evangelical zeal about what is the absolute best for anyone. most normal folks could care less.

talk about blinders...

go ride yr big wheeled bike, just don't complain to me when you get a flat and don't have a larger tube, or when the spokes start breaking like dry tinder. :clue:

[N8]

N8, the 'debate' is highly slanted toward the frothers, in that they have an evangelical zeal about what is the absolute best for anyone. most normal folks could care less.

talk about blinders...

go ride yr big wheeled bike, just don't complain to me when you get a flat and don't have a larger tube, or when the spokes start breaking like dry tinder. :clue:

I carry a big tube with me always.....

[MMcG]

not at all. i see 29ers as fitting a niche,

I think this is the first thing relatively positive I've read from you on the subject of 29ers.

I think there is a role for 29ers in various types of riding aspects - not just the niche of epic rides or 24 hour race events.

Have you looked at what Alex is doing with his BCD Inedible? Once he gets proper tires for that DH Machine, I'm sure it'll prove to be a pretty competitive 29er DH sled.

Also, have you looked into the Lenzsport Behemoth? That's a very capable 5" all mountain/freeride frameset. There's also a guy out in Washington, who builds custom frames under the Wolfhound moniker who is building some really cool burly hardtail 29er frames.

But again, whatever works for the particular rider is what' most important whether it be 29", 26", 69er, 24/26, dual 24s or 20 inchers. It's all good in my book.

[MMcG]

go ride yr big wheeled bike, just don't complain to me when you get a flat and don't have a larger tube, or when the spokes start breaking like dry tinder. :clue:

Huh? A good wheelbuild and proper wheel maintenance is relevant to any wheelsize.

Plenty of 29er tubes available to choose from and hell even many of the 26er tubes made work fine on 29er rims.

[narlus]

Have you looked at what Alex is doing with his BCD Inedible? Once he gets proper tires for that DH Machine, I'm sure it'll prove to be a pretty competitive 29er DH sled.

i have.

did you see the tire clearance in the rear? :clue: we have mud to worry about out east. you might be able to jam a couple sheets of paper between the seat tube and rear tire.

plus, i want the lowest bike and front end possible. i went back to my sub-7" travel monster to lower the front end, from my 7" boxxer. going to big wheels is going in the opposite direction.

[moff_quigley]

Once Turner releases his 29er Flux or whatever it's going to be called, mark my words....we haven't seen zealotry until a dyed in the wool Turner Homer sells off his "kid" wheeled 5 Spot, 5 Pack, and RFX to only ride the big wheeled bike. MTBR will be turned on it's ear. :rofl:

[N8]

Once Turner releases his 29er Flux or whatever it's going to be called, mark my words....we haven't seen zealotry until a dyed in the wool Turner Homer sells off his "kid" wheeled 5 Spot, 5 Pack, and RFX to only ride the big wheeled bike. MTBR will be turned on it's ear. :rofl:


Well said.. Turner zealots are worse than the 29ers....


:p

[MMcG]

i have.

did you see the tire clearance in the rear? :clue: we have mud to worry about out east. you might be able to jam a couple sheets of paper between the seat tube and rear tire.

plus, i want the lowest bike and front end possible. i went back to my sub-7" travel monster to lower the front end, from my 7" boxxer. going to big wheels is going in the opposite direction.

Narlus - the current frame Alex is riding is a converted 26er - he didn't build it for the larger wheels, but made it fit. I can't believe how he got such short chainstays either (something like 16.25" or thereabouts - that's short even for many 26" dh bikes isn't it?)

What about the concept of the 29er wheels allowing a rider to race with a shorter travel front and rear suspension set up - could that help compensate for the larger wheel diameter? Just thinking out loud here and being open minded about the prospect of many applications for the larger wheelsize.

My Surly isn't a DH bike, but it does haul major ass on the descents that I ride on a typical trail ride around here. So much so that I actually wouldn't mind having an 8" rotor up front in place of my current 6" rotor - so I do think the 29" wheels can make for a fast DH bike.

And I also feel that they could make for a proportional feeling Freeride bike for someone over 6 feet tall - and definitely for guys who are pushing 6'3" and on up.

[narlus]

when i grow 6 more inches, i'll consider a 29" front wheel for my DH bike.

be careful using an 8" rotor w/ a QR fork axle.

[narlus]

Well said.. Titus zealots are worse than the 29ers....


:p

fixed.

[MMcG]

when i grow 6 more inches, i'll consider a 29" front wheel for my DH bike.

be careful using an 8" rotor w/ a QR fork axle.

Actually a 7" avid would be the perfect compromise and I've run one of those with a QR axle with no problems before.

[narlus]

yeah, that's what i've got on the enduro. plenty of power, an 8" rotor is not needed.

[Westy]

Well said.. Turner zealots are worse than the 29ers....


:p

After I got my Flux I had some random dude come up to me and said welcome to the Homer family. I had no idea what the hell he was talking about. After he explained it to me I just told him to get the hell away from me. People who think they are special or feel a sense of belonging because of the brand, size, or any other classification of bike they ride have serious issues with their value system. I'll invoke the Rum Raisin Analogy for 29ers but it is fun to taunt the types that have hair triggered spring loaded panties on the topic.

[N8]

After I got my Flux I had some random dude come up to me and said welcome to the Homer family.


Just what does "Homer" mean..??? I've been wondering myself.

[narlus]

couldn't have said it better myself.

the 29er zealots make the SS contingent look like they are indifferent.

[narlus]

Just what does "Homer" mean..??? I've been wondering myself.

guessing it means 'root for the home team', regardless of merit.

kinda like yr blanket feelings towards republicans.

[Mackie]

all you need to do is to read this thread (http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=201943)

some classic stuff there.

man, the two guys cloxxi and ncj01 are beauts, standing out from a crowded field.


I'll still scan over there, because it is a good resource for 29" stuff, but I do agree that some of the personalities over there rub me the wrong way. Everyone is very quick to throw out "kiddie wheels" and things like that. Please. :nonono: I'm into the 29" thing, and I still cringe when I read that stuff. It's like the whole roadie vs. MTB thing again.
Frothing seems to be rewarded to a certain degree in that forum, seeing as how they made one of the most rabid frothers the mod. :rolleyes:

[Westy]

Just what does "Homer" mean..??? I've been wondering myself.


I have no idea, just know it is associated with Turners. Now don't get me wrong I love my Flux like no other bike I have ever ridden, but I credit that to the geometry which may not work well for anyone else.

[N8]

I have no idea, just know it is associated with Turners. Now don't get me wrong I love my Flux like no other bike I have ever ridden, but I credit that to the geometry which may not work well for anyone else.


i know my pal Jen loves her Flux as well.... now if she would quit doing 100 mile running races and get back to MTB racing....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/mtbnate/Jennys%20Bike/P2120032.jpg

[N8]

guessing it means 'root for the home team', regardless of merit.


Wow... they have conventions and everything...

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=208126

:p

[d.e.f.]

i know my pal Jen loves her Flux as well.... now if she would quit doing 100 mile running races and get back to MTB racing....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/mtbnate/Jennys%20Bike/P2120032.jpg

I might catch sh!t for this....

No red saddles. Just look at the picture and think like a 13 year old. The bike is nice. She looks stoked and like someone who actually rides. But, the red saddle.

Sorry for the derailment, but something had to be said.

[N8]

I might catch sh!t for this....

No red saddles. Just look at the picture and think like a 13 year old. The bike is nice. She looks stoked and like someone who actually rides. But, the red saddle.

Sorry for the derailment, but something had to be said.

She races with a top notch adventure race team and all of their gear is color coded so they can tell each others stuff apart quickly... her color is red...ergo her seat and head set color.

[MMcG]

Wow... they have conventions and everything...

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=208126

:p


And us Ridemonkeys don't? Monkeyfest, southeast monkeyfest, etc. etc.

[MMcG]

I'll still scan over there, because it is a good resource for 29" stuff, but I do agree that some of the personalities over there rub me the wrong way. Everyone is very quick to throw out "kiddie wheels" and things like that. Please. :nonono: I'm into the 29" thing, and I still cringe when I read that stuff. It's like the whole roadie vs. MTB thing again.


I think it still goes both ways. You have the 29ers are the Holy Grail crowd and you also have the exact opposite crowd who are just as zealous in their debunking of the 29er concept.


Same thing applies for Single Speed vs. Geary proponents.

Hell then you've got your whole DH vs. XC debate

Roadie vs. MTBer debate etc. etc.

It could go on and on.

Same thing applies for Turner vs. Ellsworth or Titus or Santa Cruz or whatever devotees.

[Mackie]

I think it still goes both ways. You have the 29ers are the Holy Grail crowd and you also have the exact opposite crowd who are just as zealous in their debunking of the 29er concept.

I agree, and that's the issue - I find all of those petty "my way is the best way" zealots really tiresome. The 29er forum has become a place for them to congregate. The result? I might read it, but i'll rarely post there. I'm sure I'm not alone.

[N8]

I think it still goes both ways. You have the 29ers are the Holy Grail crowd and you also have the exact opposite crowd who are just as zealous in their debunking of the 29er concept.


Same thing applies for Single Speed vs. Geary proponents.

Hell then you've got your whole DH vs. XC debate

Roadie vs. MTBer debate etc. etc.

It could go on and on.

Same thing applies for Turner vs. Ellsworth or Titus or Santa Cruz or whatever devotees.


damnit!!! which one do i choose now?

I have a titus specialized geared ss 26 29er....

[MMcG]

I agree, and that's the issue - I find all of those petty "my way is the best way" zealots really tiresome. The 29er forum has become a place for them to congregate. The result? I might read it, but i'll rarely post there. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Post here more then. :)

[narlus]

who are the most devoted brand-whores?

turner
santa cruz
yeti
specialized
ellsworth
intense
moots

i'd say it's a three-way tie between turner, yeti and santa cruz

[Mackie]

Post here more then. :)
Done.

[moff_quigley]

i'd say it's a three-way tie between turner, yeti and santa cruz

You have to put Ellsworth in that battle. The battles that were waged between the Turner Homers and Ellsworth loyalists/apologists in the Ellsworth board on MTBR were "epic".

While I like my Heckler quite a bit I am by no means locked to this brand. It's silly.

[narlus]

yeah, i've only known one person whose got an ellsworth (well, i guess i owned one too, a joker) but he does get pretty defensive about it.

the battles between the turner and ellsworth supporters when DT decided to pull the horst link must have been unreal. good thing i don't waste much if any time w/ that board anymore.

[narlus]

and thinking about it, i don't think i've ever owned two bikes from the same maker. these are all the mtbs i've ever owned:

cannondale (two; one replaced under warranty)
wojcik
schwinn
kona
spooky
ellsworth (actually, it was the Aeon joint venture w/ Ventana)
voodoo
GT
specialized
giant
evil

[MMcG]

and thinking about it, i don't think i've ever owned two bikes from the same maker. these are all the mtbs i've ever owned:

cannondale (two; one replaced under warranty)
wojcik
schwinn
kona
spooky
ellsworth (actually, it was the Aeon joint venture w/ Ventana)
voodoo
GT
specialized
giant
evil

For me in terms of mountain bikes:
Marin Nail Trail (new)
Balfa Belair (new)
Snipes 30-06 (used from some guy here on RM)
Cheeta Prowler(used from phil on RM)
DMR Rhythm (used from Sanjay)
Iron Horse Hollowpoint(used via mtbr.com)
Ted Wojcik Soft Trac FS (used via Narlus)
Surly Instigator (used via Carbon Fetish)
Surly Karate Monkey (used via mtbr.com)

I also carried a demo Balfa 2Step DH for a season, and I also bought and then re-sold a Kona Stinky 5 and a C-Dale Chase before ever building them up.

[N8]

It just dawned on me that I've never bought a MTB brand new...

:hot:

[N8]

I think there is some resentment against Specialized and Dave Turner for dismissing the idea of the 29er (to put it nicely) then, after seeing the popularity, deciding to cash in on it. I think that is what some find annoying.

I personally don't give a sh!t myself, but some apparently do. I am glad to see more and more builders and equipment manufactures embraceing the 29er platform. No a 29er ain't for everyone... you and Mr. Clean have at least that in common. :p

[narlus]

It just dawned on me that I've never bought a MTB brand new...

:hot:

last one i bought new was my spooky (frame only, '00). the others i bought new were voodoo (frame), cannondale (1st bike), and the ted. everything else was used.

[d.e.f.]

She races with a top notch adventure race team and all of their gear is color coded so they can tell each others stuff apart quickly... her color is red...ergo her seat and head set color.

It makes sense and she doesn't look like a slouch...its just never looks right. But its more about performance than looks.

[bcd]

i have.

did you see the tire clearance in the rear? :clue: we have mud to worry about out east. you might be able to jam a couple sheets of paper between the seat tube and rear tire.

plus, i want the lowest bike and front end possible. i went back to my sub-7" travel monster to lower the front end, from my 7" boxxer. going to big wheels is going in the opposite direction.


i'm late!

ok, i have 3/4 mud clearance b/c my "seat tube" is two flat plates
that JUST over lap my tire.

the inedible convertion is a great test b/c its the same frame as my 26's. it has 6'' f/r my bars could be with a smaller head tube @ 41''.
the bike is quick! short c/s and short travel makes it a finesse machine!

my next inedible will be able to use 29's 96's or 26's.

[MMcG]

i'm late!

ok, i have 3/4 mud clearance b/c my "seat tube" is two flat plates
that JUST over lap my tire.

the inedible convertion is a great test b/c its the same frame as my 26's. it has 6'' f/r my bars could be with a smaller head tube @ 41''.
the bike is quick! short c/s and short travel makes it a finesse machine!

my next inedible will be able to use 29's 96's or 26's.

Thanks for chiming in Alex!

[Padre]

also, i find it very funny that these guys (padre, ncj01, cloxxi, jbogner, et al) seem to have ZERO idea about what makes a good DH bike good; based on their statements they seem to have a greater familiarity w/ fishing for coelecanths as compared to how a DH bike rides.

Narlus, your assumption about my experience with DH bikes is pretty weak.

It is also besides the point, since the thread you are referring to was about an XC bike, was it not? The fact that I don't want a 25" seattube on a potential Turner XC bike is pretty valid. Unless you disagree.....nope...it's still valid then.

Regardless, I spent 3 years riding DH on a 7" travel DH/FR bike. That doesn't make me an expert, but it does make me have some level of experiential expertise in the arena.

So, what we've learned here, is that you have ZERO idea about what you are talking about.:drool:

[Westy]

who are the most devoted brand-whores?
[snip]
i'd say it's a three-way tie between turner, yeti and santa cruz

Am I a brand whore because I own one of each, or am I not a whore because I can sleep at night owning one of each? Either way I don't care.

[N8]

Narlus....


So, what we've learned here, is that you have ZERO idea about what you are talking about.:drool:


BINGO!!!!

:thumb:

[narlus]

the use of the drool icon scares me a bit, esp w/ andre commanding me to obey.

so i take it you owned a bullit (the most ubiquitous 7" fr/dh bike out there).

ok pardner padre, i'll play...what do you look for in a DH bike? what's yr favorite lift/shuttle trail?

[narlus]

btw, i will bet you a 29" tire of yr choice that the rest of the frothers (cloxxi, ncj01, jbogner) haven't spent a full day on a DH bike on a DH-worthy trail. please show me i'm wrong.

[MMcG]

btw, i will bet you a 29" tire of yr choice that the rest of the frothers (cloxxi, ncj01, jbogner) haven't spent a full day on a DH bike on a DH-worthy trail. please show me i'm wrong.

Narlus - I think that's a bet you might not win.

Not sure if he's DH'd or not but I'm pretty damned sure jbogner also owns a long travel freeride bike.

So.......can you send that tire to me instead. I need it more than Padre does. ;)

One Maxxis Ignitor will suffice. :)

[narlus]

narlus is like a closet homosexual... very over compensating in his denial, when he should just embrace it and finally be happy...

:p

very interesting comparison, N8. you do realize what camp that places you in, right?

btw MMcG, i've seen plenty of people use FR bikes for XC duty...loads of porsche owners have never taken their car to a track.

[MMcG]

Narlus - I still feel you were quick to judge the likes of Padre and Jbogner etc., and that you are extremely stubborn in your views on this topic.

You certainly have an open mind when it comes to music - why not about different wheel sizes on mountain bikes and for different disciplines of riding?

[narlus]

Narlus - I still feel you were quick to judge the likes of Padre and Jbogner etc., and that you are extremely stubborn in your views on this topic.

well cloxxi clearly has no clue as to inner workings of a DH bike; i don't feel like scanning through the thread to see what bits and pieces of comments from the rest led to doubt their DH prowess, but maybe i was way off base and they are regular rippers. somehow i doubt they could keep up w/ me and i suck, but i could be wrong.

You certainly have an open mind when it comes to music - why not about different wheel sizes on mountain bikes and for different disciplines of riding?

because i know what works best for ME, and adding larger, weaker wheels while raising the ride height of a bike and CoG is not a step in the right direction. i'm talking strictly DH here.

edit - btw, i know these sorts of threads can get heated, and in deference to MMcG's forum etiquette i will not be adding anymore to this discussion.

[narlus]

Am I a brand whore because I own one of each, or am I not a whore because I can sleep at night owning one of each? Either way I don't care.

you are the rare species of promiscuous. yet top-tier specific, whore.

[MMcG]

well cloxxi clearly has no clue as to inner workings of a DH bike; i don't feel like scanning through the thread to see what bits and pieces of comments from the rest led to doubt their DH prowess, but maybe i was way off base and they are regular rippers. somehow i doubt they could keep up w/ me and i suck, but i could be wrong.



because i know what works best for ME, and adding larger, weaker wheels while raising the ride height of a bike and CoG is not a step in the right direction. i'm talking strictly DH here.

edit - btw, i know these sorts of threads can get heated, and in deference to MMcG's forum etiquette i will not be adding anymore to this discussion.

Narlus - but what if you were 6'6" tall and DHing - would that change your thinking??

I definitely see the reasoning behind 29" wheels for really tall guys and gals.

And the tire size is working well for me for trail riding purposes.

[narlus]

Narlus - but what if you were 6'6" tall and DHing - would that change your thinking??

I definitely see the reasoning behind 29" wheels for really tall guys and gals.

probably, but i'm nowhere close to that height. but again, that's a fringe market, no?

[jbogner]

btw, i will bet you a 29" tire of yr choice that the rest of the frothers (cloxxi, ncj01, jbogner) haven't spent a full day on a DH bike on a DH-worthy trail. please show me i'm wrong.

I don't know WHERE you got that idea, man. If you want to see footage of me at Diablo, download this video I took back in June:

http://www.nycmtb.com/video/Diablo-17-June-06.mp4

Yes, I'm the one on the 8" travel Uzzi VPX with 26" wheels, and that's me hucking 10-15 footers. Frother? Nope.

I love my 26er freeride bike, and I'm not looking for a replacement for it. I just want a goddamn 6" travel 29er trailbike around 33 lbs that I can beat the hell out of, because I can't be trusted to behave myself on those lightweight XC 29er full sussers. I love my 29er hardtail, but I don't spend as much time XC racing these days, so I'd rather have a more functional trailbike as a go-to bike. Right now, I spend too much time pedaling my 41 lb freeride bike around on trails. I'm 6-4, and I refuse to spend money on a 26er trailbike. It's 29ers for me from now on for everything short of freeride/DH...

[narlus]

It's 29ers for me from now on for everything short of freeride/DH...

well that settles it; we are in agreement.

sorry i doubted yr hucky skills; i'd view the graphic depiction of the Diablo footage but apparently Apple determined i need a newer version of quicktime, which is only bundled w/ iTunes. yay!

diablo is a cool place, finally made it down there for my virgin voyage last week.

[binary visions]

i'd view the graphic depiction of the Diablo footage but apparently Apple determined i need a newer version of quicktime, which is only bundled w/ iTunes. yay!
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone.html

[jbogner]

well that settles it; we are in agreement.

For now. I'm not against anyone developing 29er DH equipment, and I'd certainly be more likely than the next guy to give it a shot if someone came out with some legitimate tires, rims and forks.



sorry i doubted yr hucky skills; i'd view the graphic depiction of the Diablo footage but apparently Apple determined i need a newer version of quicktime, which is only bundled w/ iTunes. yay!

diablo is a cool place, finally made it down there for my virgin voyage last week.

Apology accepted. Update that quicktime. You don't have to grab iTunes to get it. There's first-person helmet-cam I shot going off all the big drops- Dom's Denial, Road to Nowhere, Phantom- as well as a complete run down Exodus. Camera was pointed a little too low, but gets better as the video goes on.

Some of those Diablo drops are so smooth and nice, I'm tempted to give em a shot on my 29er hardtail XC bike... ;)

[tozovr]

I don't know WHERE you got that idea, man. If you want to see footage of me at Diablo, download this video I took back in June:

http://www.nycmtb.com/video/Diablo-17-June-06.mp4

Yes, I'm the one on the 8" travel Uzzi VPX with 26" wheels, and that's me hucking 10-15 footers. Frother? Nope.

I love my 26er freeride bike, and I'm not looking for a replacement for it. I just want a goddamn 6" travel 29er trailbike around 33 lbs that I can beat the hell out of, because I can't be trusted to behave myself on those lightweight XC 29er full sussers. I love my 29er hardtail, but I don't spend as much time XC racing these days, so I'd rather have a more functional trailbike as a go-to bike. Right now, I spend too much time pedaling my 41 lb freeride bike around on trails. I'm 6-4, and I refuse to spend money on a 26er trailbike. It's 29ers for me from now on for everything short of freeride/DH...

Like the camera man's Shadow doesn't give it all away?!?!? I'm on to you Bobafett....

[Cloxxki]

Thanks for you concerns regarding my FR/DH experience. I spent a summer doing nothing but 4-cross because my lungs wouldn't let me do much else than technique training.
During the same years I've been sponsor of a German League downhill team that used stuff I was selling, so I all in all picked up a thing or two about the sport in that time.

Too chicken shyte for DH racing though, just silly "riding".

[N8]

This thread need to be renamed:

if you ever doubted the blind hatrid of a anti-29er frother...

:rofl: