Islam, the religion of peace and love...

[OrthoPT]

Nice.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/07/08/somalia.radicals.ap/index.html

[sanjuro]

Maybe they were playing "Panama"...

[Kevin]

Its not Islam, its the people who interpetate it wrong...
Theres good and bad people in every religion. I do admit that there is a lot of wrong interpetation in the Islam but to blame it on the religion itself is a bit too much With doing this you are accusing a lot of very peacefull and caring Muslims.
Think a little bit further before you post stuff or even before you jump to your own conclusions and try and read a book every omce in a while if you really wanna know whats up.

[Ciaran]

Its not Islam, its the people who interpetate it wrong...
Theres good and bad people in every religion. I do admit that there is a lot of wrong interpetation in the Islam but to blame it on the religion itself is a bit too much With doing this you are accusing a lot of very peacefull and caring Muslims.
Think a little bit further before you post stuff or even before you jump to your own conclusions and try and read a book every omce in a while if you really wanna know whats up.
No. It's islam.

[Kevin]

No. It's islam.

Ok Im convinced.

[Tenchiro]

They are loving and peaceful (as long as you conform to their belief structure)

[ALEXIS_DH]

Its not Islam, its the people who interpetate it wrong...
Theres good and bad people in every religion. I do admit that there is a lot of wrong interpetation in the Islam but to blame it on the religion itself is a bit too much With doing this you are accusing a lot of very peacefull and caring Muslims.
Think a little bit further before you post stuff or even before you jump to your own conclusions and try and read a book every omce in a while if you really wanna know whats up.

the thing is how do you interpret "thou shall kill the infidel" as "do not kill the infidel, and invite him over for dinner".

certain religions are way easier to interpret the destructive way....

[Kevin]

certain religions are way easier to interpret the destructive way....

There you said it yourself.
Some people practice it the right way and some dont.
Christians dont exactly have a clean sheet but I never hear anyone say that Christianity is bad. Especially in the US where everything revolves around god. ****, even Bush is fighting an illegal war in the name of god.
War on terror my ass, everyone in their right mind knows what that war is about.

I do agree however that religion is the reason for a lot of fighting and bloodshed but its not just Muslims, we (the west) just like to think of ourselves as superior to anyone else thats different from us.
Nowadays (thanks to the US) the whole "west" is practically at war with the rest of the world.(Arabs, Chinese, Korea etc etc) Weapons of mass destruction are being built everywhere again like were heading for a second cold war. (the battle for arms lead by the US ofcourse)
Only this time Im not too sure if its gonna be a "cold" war anymore...

I think its pretty hypocritical and stuck up too say Islam is the root of all evil while you support a country thats bombing innocent people for oil and money.

[Silver]

There you said it yourself.
Some people practice it the right way and some dont.
Christians dont exactly have a clean sheet but I never hear anyone say that Christianity is bad. Especially in the US where everything revolves around god.

Hang around here a little more often. I believe there are at least a couple of people here who have made the argument in the past that all religions are inherently evil.

[Changleen]

Christians dont exactly have a clean sheet but I never hear anyone say that Christianity is bad.Christianity is bad.

[Kevin]

Hang around here a little more often. I believe there are at least a couple of people here who have made the argument in the past that all religions are inherently evil.

And I share that opinion more or less.
I just think its ignorant and plain stupid to post some crap about Islam generating hate against Muslims.

Christianity is bad.

Your not the avarage US citizen so that doesnt count.

[schnarfyschnarf]

good points all around, but how many buddist(sp?) suicide bombers do you know about? christian suicide bombers?

[Changleen]

good points all around, but how many buddist(sp?) suicide bombers do you know about? christian suicide bombers?Christians don't need to be suicide bombers. They have the tanks, planes guns and other assorted technology that allows them to kill perfectly well from a distance with far less chance of harm to themselves.

[schnarfyschnarf]

i totally agree, im just saying islam didnt build a rep as terroroist by picking flowers, thats all

[blue]

Religion is lame, capieche?

[lovebunny]

Religion is lame, capieche?
ok, commie:clue:

[blue]

ok, commie:clue:

Napoleon is always right!

[DirtyDog]

Christians dont exactly have a clean sheet but I never hear anyone say that Christianity is bad.

I say it all the time. Christianity sucks ass.

However, as bad as it is, you don't see Christians or really any other religions out mass murdering each other on a daily basis.

Here's todays good times: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/09/iraq.main/index.html

[DaveW]

I say it all the time. Christianity sucks ass.

However, as bad as it is, you don't see Christians or really any other religions out mass murdering each other on a daily basis.


Umm?? Bush is a devout christian and once upon a time claimed that...

Bush said: 'God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.'"

So far over 100,000 Iraqis have been killed in this christian/"lets spend the peace dividend" war.

Yes I admit a bit of a moot point but still........ :nopity:

[mackster23]

This thread kicks ass.

Here is some more good bloodshed. I think it is the same as the one above, but none the less, it's sh!ty.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060710/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

[fluff]

People suck. They just use religion as one of the many ways to suck harder.

[Old Man G Funk]

Its not Islam, its the people who interpetate it wrong...
Theres good and bad people in every religion. I do admit that there is a lot of wrong interpetation in the Islam but to blame it on the religion itself is a bit too much With doing this you are accusing a lot of very peacefull and caring Muslims.
Think a little bit further before you post stuff or even before you jump to your own conclusions and try and read a book every omce in a while if you really wanna know whats up.
The religions that have come from that part of the world are steeped in blood and based on war gods. It's probably the peace-loving people who are misinterpreting the scriptures.

[Old Man G Funk]

good points all around, but how many buddist(sp?) suicide bombers do you know about? christian suicide bombers?
The IRA? Oklahoma City?

I know they aren't necessarily "suicide" bombers, but terrorists none-the-less.

[BurlyShirley]

The IRA? Oklahoma City?

I know they aren't necessarily "suicide" bombers, but terrorists none-the-less.
I dont think OK city was religious in nature. Was it? How religiously motivated were the IRA?

[Old Man G Funk]

I dont think OK city was religious in nature. Was it? How religiously motivated were the IRA?
I'm not making the point that they were religiously motivated, but that they were Xtians. It sounded like the commenter was hinting that Xtians aren't terrorists and that it's only Muslims who engage in that sort of activity.

[BurlyShirley]

I'm not making the point that they were religiously motivated, but that they were Xtians. It sounded like the commenter was hinting that Xtians aren't terrorists and that it's only Muslims who engage in that sort of activity.
I think the obvious difference is that today's terrorism is done "In the name of Allah" Therefore the religion is somewhat to blame. I dont think you can make that connection w/ OK city.

[Old Man G Funk]

I think the obvious difference is that today's terrorism is done "In the name of Allah" Therefore the religion is somewhat to blame. I dont think you can make that connection w/ OK city.
I wasn't making that connection. Once again, I was simply pointing out the Xtians make good terrorists too.

If you want to make that connection, I think it has already been made with Bush's comments about how he invaded Iraq in god's name.

[Kevin]

I think weve allready astablished the fact that religion sucks so im not arguing with anyone about that.
Also Bush is killing thousands in the name of god and I do believe he's christian.
Ireland's history is about as bloody as that of the middle east and lets not forget the middle ages when plenty of people were killed on cruisades. The coin allways has two side's and its not just the side the media likes to show everyone. Especially in the US where the media is controlled by the same men (W's posse) who are making money out of the war on terror...

[fluff]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!!!!!


:rofl:
I dunno, I reckon it wouldn't be hard to make a good case about that.

[Kevin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!!!!!


:rofl:

Seriously N8, have you ever actually read anything other then a book about a little engine that could?
For your information FOX is NOT, and I repeat NOT a very reliable newssourse...
Stop making an ass out of yourself and get informed and educated while the world is still around.


I dunno, I reckon it wouldn't be hard to make a good case about that.

That case has allready been made several times.
Im not making this stuff up, its all real.
The fact that people like N8 are to ignorant too know about any of this stuff is because they have their heads up their asses and theyre too busy following the leader...

[Old Man G Funk]

Seriously N8, have you ever actually read anything other then a book about a little engine that could?
For your information FOX is NOT, and I repeat NOT a very reliable newssourse...
Stop making an ass out of yourself and get informed and educated while the world is still around.




That case has allready been made several times.
Im not making this stuff up, its all real.
The fact that people like N8 are to ignorant too know about any of this stuff is because they have their heads up their asses and theyre too busy following the leader...
I think N8 has read The Pet Goat.

[Kevin]

Are you thinking N8 is actually an undercover president on a mtb forum?
They obviously share some qualities.....
Too bad reading to little children doesnt count as actual reading.
One would have to understand the words and not just read them out loud.

:rofl:

[BurlyShirley]

I wasn't making that connection. Once again, I was simply pointing out the Xtians make good terrorists too.

Well for that matter, ANYONE can make a good terrorist, so what's your point? The idea here is that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. It has text in its holy books which spell out LITERALLY ideas which are NOT peaceful.
That GWB says god talks to him is disturbing in its own right, but completely unrelated. It baffles me that he thinks he has to do god's work, because you know, if there was a god, he could just smite all the terrists and be done w/ it, but whatever. They're all nutcases if you ask me, but the problem at hand lies with muslim terrists.

[Kevin]

Well for that matter, ANYONE can make a good terrorist, so what's your point? The idea here is that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. It has text in its holy books which spell out LITERALLY ideas which are NOT peaceful.
That GWB says god talks to him is disturbing in its own right, but completely unrelated. It baffles me that he thinks he has to do god's work, because you know, if there was a god, he could just smite all the terrists and be done w/ it, but whatever. They're all nutcases if you ask me, but the problem at hand lies with muslim terrists.


Have you read the Quran?
If so you are probably aware that there are numerous translations available that have developped throughout the centuries.
Who is to say how it has been interpreted? They were obviously translated by human beings who are not known for doing this stuff right. Take the Katholic church as an example, the whole religion is based on facts that are totally made up by men who have lied about all sorts of stuff to their followers.
There are plenty of muslims who say that Islam is about peace and that no such thing is litterally stated in the Quran.
Therefore if you are absolutely sure about this stuff then go ahead and post **** about ALL Islam, but if your not try and do a little research, read a book or even visit a mosque before running your mouth...

P'z

[BurlyShirley]

Have you read the Quran?
If so you are probably aware that there are numerous translations available that have developped throughout the centuries.
Who is to say how it has been interpreted? They were obviously translated by human beings who are not known for doing this stuff right. Take the Katholic church as an example, the whole religion is based on facts that are totally made up by men who have lied about all sorts of stuff to their followers.
There are plenty of muslims who say that Islam is about peace and that no such thing is litterally stated in the Quran.
Therefore if you are absolutely sure about this stuff then go ahead and post **** about ALL Islam, but if your not try and do a little research, read a book or even visit a mosque before running your mouth...

P'z


Well technically its all made up by people since there is no god, therefore I dont see why one translation is any more valid than another. What matters is what people are listening to and why? Obviously many muslims are following somebody's interpretation who PROMOTES violence and that's what we're talking about, fella.

[Kevin]

Thats why Im saying that a lot of Muslims are about peace and NOT about killing all infidels as the media want us to believe...
Just out of curiousity, how many Muslims do you know personally?

[BurlyShirley]

Thats why Im saying that a lot of Muslims are about peace and NOT about killing all infidels as the media want us to believe...
Just out of curiousity, how many Muslims do you know personally?
I did know like 8 but they all blew themselves up because I ate some bacon this one time.

[BurlyShirley]

Thats why Im saying that a lot of Muslims are about peace and NOT about killing all infidels as the media want us to believe...
Just out of curiousity, how many Muslims do you know personally?
Are you telling me that there isnt plenty of "Kill the infidel" stuff in the qoran?

[Old Man G Funk]

Are you thinking N8 is actually an undercover president on a mtb forum?
They obviously share some qualities.....
Too bad reading to little children doesnt count as actual reading.
One would have to understand the words and not just read them out loud.

:rofl:
Nah, I was just pointing out that any book that Bush couldn't put down even while planes were taking out buildings is probably on N8's reading list.

[Old Man G Funk]

Well for that matter, ANYONE can make a good terrorist, so what's your point? The idea here is that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. It has text in its holy books which spell out LITERALLY ideas which are NOT peaceful.
That GWB says god talks to him is disturbing in its own right, but completely unrelated. It baffles me that he thinks he has to do god's work, because you know, if there was a god, he could just smite all the terrists and be done w/ it, but whatever. They're all nutcases if you ask me, but the problem at hand lies with muslim terrists.
Just responding to an earlier comment.

Also, if you read my other comments, you would know what I said about Islam.

[fluff]

Technically the Koran/Quran should not be translated (unless you wish a fatwah on you). So they are called commentaries.

[Old Man G Funk]

Are you telling me that there isnt plenty of "Kill the infidel" stuff in the qoran?
http://evangelicalatheist.com/2005/07/24/god-is-a-dick-part-v-punishment-and-predestination-in-islam/

Allow me to offer an analogy. I get a cute, fuzzy little puppy. I bring it home and sit it down on the floor of my living room. I think to myself, The puppy is not allowed on the sofa. I pick up the puppy and put it on the sofa. I then have no choice but to bring the puppy into the kitchen and hold it over an open flame while sticking pins in its eyes to punish it for breaking the rules of the house. This analogy is pretty close. I am a superior being to the puppy. I set up rules of which the puppy may or may not be aware. I force the puppy to break the rules and punish him. The only flaw in this analogy is that eventually, the puppy will die. Unlike Allah, I can’t torture him FOREVER. Dick.

[Echo]

Wait, so under Islamic law, it's not ok to watch soccer, but it's ok to shoot people who watch soccer?

[Old Man G Funk]

Wait, so under Islamic law, it's not ok to watch soccer, but it's ok to shoot people who watch soccer?
In all fairness, I think the article said that the shooters were arrested.

[mackster23]

In all fairness, I think the article said that the shooters were arrested.

But even so, telling people that it is not okay to watch soccer, thats not cool. but i guess it was the game where those (a$$-hole, stupid, douchebag, queeer) Italians beat the germans.

[Old Man G Funk]

But even so, telling people that it is not okay to watch soccer, thats not cool. but i guess it was the game where those (a$$-hole, stupid, douchebag, queeer) Italians beat the germans.
Didn't say it was.

Tell us how you really feel about the Italians.

[mackster23]

Tell us how you really feel about the Italians.


It's not that I don't like the Italians, It's just that they beat the germans that pisses me off.

[Old Man G Funk]

It's not that I don't like the Italians, It's just that they beat the germans that pisses me off.
Yeah, I have to admit that I was hoping the Germans would pull it out too.

[ohio]

Forza Italia!!!!

E andate fonculo, haters.

[kidwoo]

Forza Italia!!!!

E andate fonculo, haters.


forenzics in italy and you ate fecund and taters?

[mackster23]

Back on to the real subject of this thread.

Breaking News, more violence in Iraq:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060710/ts_nm/iraq_dc

The real question is how are we better than Saddam?
He committed genocide, and executed 148 Shi'ite, and murderd a some thousands of Kurds in his northern Iraq military Operation.

But under the pretense of war, More than One Hundard Thousand Iraq's have lost there lifes. Given that about a third were in combat. But that still leaves over sixty thousand innocent people who lost there lifes.
Most of those were not done by americans, but by Iraq insurgents, trying to make a point, or trying to get at us. Just so everyone knows that I'm not blaming American soldiers for those deaths.
I am blaming those who got us into this war though.

So once again, whose worse.

[Old Man G Funk]

Back on to the real subject of this thread.

Breaking News, more violence in Iraq:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060710/ts_nm/iraq_dc

The real question is how are we better than Saddam?
He committed genocide, and executed 148 Shi'ite, and murderd a some thousands of Kurds in his northern Iraq military Operation.

But under the pretense of war, More than One Hundard Thousand Iraq's have lost there lifes. Given that about a third were in combat. But that still leaves over sixty thousand innocent people who lost there lifes.
Most of those were not done by americans, but by Iraq insurgents, trying to make a point, or trying to get at us. Just so everyone knows that I'm not blaming American soldiers for those deaths.
I am blaming those who got us into this war though.

So once again, whose worse.
Let's not forget that Saddam used weapons that we supplied him when he gassed the Kurds.

[ohio]

forenzics in italy and you ate fecund and taters?
Well, yes. I never knew you spoke Mandarin.

[DaveW]

Let's not forget that Saddam used weapons that we supplied him when he gassed the Kurds.


Yes and then 2 months later in August, Maggie Thatcher awards him £340 million in trade credits to go buy new stuff. :dead:

[mackster23]

Yes and then 2 months later in August, Maggie Thatcher awards him £340 million in trade credits to go buy new stuff. :dead:

Thats why the english didn't do well in the world cup. Karma.

[Old Man G Funk]

Thats why the english didn't do well in the world cup. Karma.
Then we must have some pretty sh*tty karma.

[mackster23]

Then we must have some pretty sh*tty karma.

It was just kicking around, till it could get you guys where it really hurt.

Kinda Like having a bunch of dudes, with a ugly flag beat you.

[JerseyDave]

Ah yes, and the War lords that controled this country that has been w/o a government for decades were so much more tolerant, peace loving people, who BTW were funded by our CIA to hold control of the capitol and perpetuate instability in the country so we could rape it of it's natural resources w/o the population having any way to stop us....becaue they had no governmet, because the warlords we funded kept it that way, so we kept giving them money, so they kept chaos as a rule, so we could rape the country of it's natural resources....and so on and on and on the world over...NOW, the PEOPLE of Somalia rise up and sieze control of their OWN country...and now the news starts to flow like the big stinky fart before the turd (US/UN Forces going in and destableizing an Indiginous Gov). How long until we have to preemptively enslave another country?
Just my .02
Anyone read any Chompsky?
or Confessions of an Economic Hitman
or watch Why We Fight yet?
or listen to Democracy Now! ?

[Old Man G Funk]

It was just kicking around, till it could get you guys where it really hurt.

Kinda Like having a bunch of dudes, with a ugly flag beat you.
You mean not advancing to the second round?

[Old Man G Funk]

How long until we have to preemptively enslave another country?
Do they have oil?

[JerseyDave]

While there is some petrolium in Africa, our chief interest there is minerals. The LARGE majority of metals and minerals that are key components in manufacturing micro chips and other tech goodies come from there. The book Confessions of an Economic Hitman really spells out how we now use the global free market to enslave countries now. Only when that doesn't work do the Special OPs, and eventually the military get called in. Kermit Roosevelt pulled off the first successfull attempt at desabilizing a Gov. in Iran BITD. He was CIA, so after they did it they said damn that worked, but if he got caught, it would be our asses. Now they use employees of private companies so the U.S. Government has deniability. Basically, it comes down to predatory lending, based on fabricated projections of economic growth in a country such as Equador. The company will say, "hire us to dam your river, and develope hyws, and ifrastructure for your entire country and we see economic growth over the next 25 years of 17%, with the first 10 being 19, and the last 15 being 15 percent growth." But the country is poor, so the pres. goes to the world bank, who loans this country the money based on these phony projections. The country then pays this just borrowed cash to say Haliburton, who takes the money, dams the countries largest river, destroying some of the most ecologically valuable land on the planet and driving indiginous peoples who have live on said land for thousdands of years out of their homes. Then some growth will happen, but it will be much more modest economic growth then projection, so the country will be faced with harsh penaties which they must pay (instead of dealing with domestic issues like hunger, education, health care) ensureing the people of this country, say the Equadorians, live in poverty for the rest of their lives, basically enslaved while our multi-national then use the new infrastructure to mine and drill out all of the minerals and valuble natural resources for us (Average Americans) to use in our frivolity and glutonous daily exsistance. The president of Equador plays along because he is in the lucky club of Ecuadorians that we DO give some of the spoils to. If any Elected President attempts to nationalize his countries natural resources, we kill him, abduct him, or otherwise attempt to disuade him from his course of action. (Chavez) (or Hussain for that matter) In ecuador every 100 dollars of oil, 97.5 percent goes to the company drilling it. Of the remaining $2.50, over half goes to repayment of debt. Something tells me the Equadorians aren't really down with that, but they really never got a choice.


*these stats are from memory but can be found in the book and are well documnented. The book is written by an economist that worked for a large multination, but whose concience got the better of him. There are some interesting pieces on Democracy Now ( www.democracynow.org ) about him and his book. The book it's self is average. He is not a great writter and alot of his "personal" story was boring, but the factual information is very provactive and undeniably disturbing in it's unblinking look at what our personal day to day lives mean for millions of other global citizens.

[ChrisRobin]

Organized religion is cack... if everyone was more like me, the world would be a better place.