Thoughts on People

[Heath Sherratt]

I have a succinct description of society (american at least, but I believe others as well, if not all.) We as a people, would rather follow people because they are cool rather than because of what they believe in.

[kidwoo]

I follow people that smell good.

[Skookum]

i believe people should give me cool american stuff.

[Changleen]

For some people (myself included) considering someone cool or not is determined in a large part by what they believe in.

[Heath Sherratt]

[QUOTE=Changleen]For some people (myself included) considering someone cool or not is determined in a large part by what they believe in.[/QUOTE

Yeah, me too. But if you ask people why they like actors or authors or people in general, they will subconciously or conciously describe the things that make them cool, instead of the selfless acts that better humanity.

[Biscuit]

Cool peoples farts smell like flowers.

[Skookum]

For some people (myself included) considering someone cool or not is determined in a large part by what they believe in.
Yah but yer not american so it don't not mattur wut you think...

[Heath Sherratt]

Skookum, would you rather have more volume in worthless posts, or lower volume in profound ones? Or are you just trying to be cool?

[kidwoo]

I follow skookum because he is cool.

He also knows the trail better than I.

[Heath Sherratt]

I follow skookum because he is cool.

He also knows the trail better than I.

The fact that you know what Skookum believes puts you in a different category allready Kidwoo.

[kidwoo]

The fact that you know what Skookum believes puts you in a different category allready Kidwoo.


I gots mad extra sensory know it all skillz yo.

What category is that?

[sanjuro]

I think that is a very broad generalization. Do you have a specific example we could mull over?

[LordOpie]

... instead of the selfless acts that better humanity.
bettering humanity is over-rated.

Seriously.

[Demomonkey]

For some people (myself included) considering someone cool or not is determined in a large part by what they believe in.

mos def

[sanjuro]

Yeah, me too. But if you ask people why they like actors or authors or people in general, they will subconciously or conciously describe the things that make them cool, instead of the selfless acts that better humanity.
We live in an entertainment oriented society. I would expect people to care more about that stuff than the more mundane acts of kindness.

For example, I posted last week about Star Jones' departure from "The View", and I did not mention how I bought my 2 year old nephew a metal basketball hoop because he broke the last two he owned.

I didn't post it because it was my personal business, whereas a show business story everyone could relate to.

[Heath Sherratt]

I think that is a very broad generalization. Do you have a specific example we could mull over?

Is there another kind of generalization? Yes, I have several. Us magazine, People, E Tv, the fact that musicians and actors hold more attention and public view than politicians or great people. How many people follow Gahndi? Or Mother Theresa? Or Jesus? and I mean really follow them not just say they follow them but people who live the way they lived and act the way they act. Not just because they thinkthey are cool-like Islam and Buddhists are trendy right now. Many people say they are Buddhist but don't really know what it means. Lots of people "sypathize" with Islam but don't know why. Are those adequate examples?
Do you think people can't relate to the story about your nephew?

[kidwoo]

Had a talk with your preacher this weekend eh?

[Heath Sherratt]

No, actually my "preacher" is far too busy to talk with me. Why do you ask?

[Jeremy R]

Had a talk with your preacher this weekend eh?

You can get in a ton of conversation while building a big green statue.

[biggins]

i folllow women that have nice rumps

[kidwoo]

No, actually my "preacher" is far too busy to talk with me. Why do you ask?

Because that's a standard speech from the pulpit.

So standard it's actually cliche as hell.

[Tenchiro]

I can't really think of anyone I would "follow", besides Skooks that is but then I worry about keeping up. :p

[Heath Sherratt]

Because that's a standard speech from the pulpit.

So standard it's actually cliche as hell.

Why do you think that is a standard topic for a belief system that focuses on helping the poor and needing a saviour? And why are you implying that it is a topic that needs to be forgotten?

[johnbryanpeters]

bettering humanity is over-rated.

Seriously.
The best way to help humanity would be to randomly eliminate about 98% of it.

[Bicyclist]

Heath, are you suggesting people should "follow" politicians over musicians?

Politicians are some of the most worthless people I've ever met, where as artists are at least semi-creative.

[biggins]

The best way to help humanity would be to randomly eliminate about 98% of it.

i think it would be best if we just decided to get over ourselves, amassing as many large material goods as possible and trying to keep up with everyone we see.

but then again who am i to say how people should live their lives?

[LordOpie]

The best way to help humanity would be to randomly eliminate about 98% of it.
Yup.

Humanity is just fine as it is, helping humans is a different and more important issue.

[jdcamb]

The best way to help humanity would be to randomly eliminate about 98% of it.

Now that would work. But seems like it would be a lot of work...

Ignoring 98% of humanity works for me just fine. I highly recommend it...

[Heath Sherratt]

Heath, are you suggesting people should "follow" politicians over musicians?

Politicians are some of the most worthless people I've ever met, where as artists are at least semi-creative.

The content of my post is a cry to others to pay attention to what they do and why they do it. It is set in a non aggressive way because people have insecurities and resistances that are both concious and subconcious to anything that opposes their belief sytem. It also helps people that really want to develop to do so without thinking someone is attacking them personally even though it is general and broad enought to include everyone, people will still find it personally offensive because they are bitter and angry with themselves but blame their anger on others.:clue:

[kidwoo]

Why do you think that is a standard topic for a belief system that focuses on helping the poor and needing a saviour?

Because it's inherently good but relies on absolute truth as it's basis?

[Heath Sherratt]

Now that would work. But seems like it would be a lot of work...

Ignoring 98% of humanity works for me just fine. I highly recommend it...

Actually God did that with the Flood...remember? Noah? The Ark? Actually that was more like 99.9%. But hey, here we are again.

[Heath Sherratt]

Because it's inherently good but relies on absolute truth as it's basis?

What about the other half of that post?

[LordOpie]

...people have insecurities and resistances that are both concious and subconcious to anything that opposes their belief sytem.
agreed!

Especially muslims.


oh, yeah, and Christains.



Forgot my jews.


And the minor deities, too.

[jdcamb]

Actually God did that with the Flood...remember? Noah? The Ark? Actually that was more like 99.9%. But hey, here we are again.

Uh ok.

[DaveW]

For some people (myself included) considering someone cool or not is determined in a large part by what they believe in.


Guess that makes me the coolest person I know! :D

Thanks for the self validation dude! :love:

[Heath Sherratt]

Uh ok.

What Vivian!! You don't know the story?

[Heath Sherratt]

bettering humanity is over-rated.

Seriously.

O.K. then, to improve the quality of life for those less fortunate.

[sanjuro]

Is there another kind of generalization? Yes, I have several. Us magazine, People, E Tv, the fact that musicians and actors hold more attention and public view than politicians or great people. How many people follow Gahndi? Or Mother Theresa? Or Jesus? and I mean really follow them not just say they follow them but people who live the way they lived and act the way they act. Not just because they thinkthey are cool-like Islam and Buddhists are trendy right now. Many people say they are Buddhist but don't really know what it means. Lots of people "sypathize" with Islam but don't know why. Are those adequate examples?
I applaud you for bringing this up. It is a very interesting topic.

One thing about lives is the disappointment many feel about religion. I think you could list a bucketload of very legitimate complaints about the major religions, and we have turned to more secular pursuits to replace our need for faith and spirituality.

One fictional character which I have based some of my personal "philosophy" is Jeff Smith from Mr. Smith Goes To Washington. His pure altruism affected me strongly as a teenager, and the ripples still run in me today.

[Changleen]

What Vivian!! You don't know the story?Yes, I've heard the 'story'. :rofl:

[jdcamb]

One fictional character which I have based some of my personal "philosophy" is Jeff Smith from Mr. Smith Goes To Washington. His pure altruism affected me strongly as a teenager, and the ripples still run in me today.

Thats cool. Me too. My Mom used to call me everytime she watched that movie.

[Sherpa]

Actually God did that with the Flood...remember? Noah? The Ark? Actually that was more like 99.9%. But hey, here we are again.

The world would be a better place without Christians, about 99.999% of them. The false stories told are also laughable, aka Noahs Ark.

[jdcamb]

The world would be a better place without Christians, about 99.999% of them. The false stories told are also laughable, aka Noahs Ark.

Uh OK??

[Ciaran]

I follow people that smell good.
I follow people that unzip their pants.

[Bicyclist]

The world would be a better place without Christians, about 99.999% of them. The false stories told are also laughable, aka Noahs Ark.

If you weren't ignorant you would understand that religious literature is meant to be read at a metaphorical level, not a literal one. The ironic thing is that's the problem with the annoying 99.999% of Christians you speak of: they read the Bible at a completely literal level. :rolleyes:

[Changleen]

If you weren't ignorant you would understand that religious literature is meant to be read at a metaphorical level, not a literal one. The ironic thing is that's the problem with the annoying 99.999% of Christians you speak of: they read the Bible at a completely literal level. :rolleyes:The trouble that rational people realise that religious literature (bible, koran etc.) are simply books written, editted, re-written, translated and doctored by people, and not the 'actual word of god'. However there are a large community of people who somehow have convinced themselves that this is somehow not that case and stories like the burning bush, the flood etc. are actually true.

PAWN3d in 5,4,3....

[kidwoo]

What about the other half of that post?

It doesn't need to be forgotten.........among high school kids.


Most of the people here are adults and don't need to be told to not value someone as an ispiration to their lives just because they're wearing gap jeans. Cept for n8 maybe.

It's like dropping some great knowledge that the man awn thuh teevee ain't smarter than you just cuz he looks good dressed. You veil it as a question, but that wasn't your purpose.

[ioscope]

Gap has

COOL
NEW T's

I asked them where they keptthe newt's but they had no idea what I was talking about.

[Bicyclist]

The trouble that rational people realise that religious literature (bible, koran etc.) are simply books written, editted, re-written, translated and doctored by people, and not the 'actual word of god'. However there are a large community of people who somehow have convinced themselves that this is somehow not that case and stories like the burning bush, the flood etc. are actually true.

PAWN3d in 5,4,3....

So, didn't we just say the same thing a different way?

[DaveW]

So, didn't we just say the same thing a different way?


Yeah but as any religious sub sect will tell you.... It's the way that counts. ;) :rolleyes:

[fluff]

But what is cool? I expect that Heath thinks Jesus is cool. It's not that hard to be a Christian in the US these days.

People will always have the flock mentality, it's unavoidable.

[stevew]

The world would be a better place without Christians, about 99.999% of them. The false stories told are also laughable, aka Noahs Ark.
Would the world be a better place without your participation?

What makes you think you are any better?

[stevew]

i think it would be best if we just decided to get over ourselves,
that would be asking to much of this board....

[jacksonpt]

people suck. End of story.

[douglas]

people suck. End of story.



winner

[BuddhaRoadkill]

The content of my post is a cry to others to pay attention to what they do and why they do it. It is set in a non aggressive way because people have insecurities and resistances that are both concious and subconcious to anything that opposes their belief sytem. It also helps people that really want to develop to do so without thinking someone is attacking them personally even though it is general and broad enought to include everyone, people will still find it personally offensive because they are bitter and angry with themselves but blame their anger on others.:clue:
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[binary visions]

Man... This thread is, like, totally deep.

Don't bogart the doob, bro...

[BuddhaRoadkill]

Man... This thread is, like, totally deep.

Don't bogart the doob, bro...

:think:
Mmmm, Scampi fries."
:cool:

[I Are Baboon]

PAWN3d in 5,4,3....

2, 1...

[LordOpie]

2, 1...
took you long enough, stoner.

[dhbuilder]

I have a succinct description of society (american at least, but I believe others as well, if not all.) We as a people, would rather follow people because they are cool rather than because of what they believe in.

i couldn't agree more.

just take a look around and see how most are enamoured with everything those hollywood painted faces say and do.
people base their entire being on following the phoney facades of actors and singers.
they base their political beliefs on what they say.
they dress according to what they wear.
and so on and so on.

here in the south you have droves of people who hound stockcar drivers for their name scribbled on a scrap of paper. like these are people worthy of that much attention.
nor are most athletes, who turn out to be nothing more than overpaid losers.
but people emulate them like they're gods. all the while knowing absolutely nothing about them.

which brings up organized religions.
that's a whole 'nother can of worms that ya'll have covered.

alot of americans are lifeless bastards who live their lives vicariously thru the television set.

[kidwoo]

Why the hell did this get moved? It's neither politics nor world news.

[fluff]

Religion, dude..

[LordOpie]

how do people not see religion as uber-political?

[kidwoo]

I don't see the topic as religious, just the poster.

Now it's been relinquished to the 4 people that read this forum.

[fluff]

I don't see the topic as religious, just the poster.

Now it's been relinquished to the 4 people that read this forum.
Why not start a 'What is cool' thread without the religious angle?

[Old Man G Funk]

I don't see the topic as religious, just the poster.

Now it's been relinquished to the 4 people that read this forum.
I viewed it as thinly veiled proselytizing by the author. I admit that I might be biased in that my only discussion with Heath led to him proselytizing to me, but his bewailing people not following Jesus seemed like a pretty clear tip-off.

Edit: Woo, even you made a mention about how Heath was probably talking to his preacher this weekend.

[kidwoo]

I viewed it as thinly veiled proselytizing by the author. I admit that I might be biased in that my only discussion with Heath led to him proselytizing to me, but his bewailing people not following Jesus seemed like a pretty clear tip-off.

Edit: Woo, even you made a mention about how Heath was probably talking to his preacher this weekend.

Yeah but that was me, not him.

He didn't mention da jeebus in his first post. But yeah, like you, I know what's behind it.

Just seemed like a wierd one to move. I guess with heath's history, we knew where it was going. I just think of this as the politics board not the religion board.......especially concerning something as mundane as "who do you think is cool?"

Not that big of a deal. Just seemed a little out of place to move it here. Maybe not.

[Heath Sherratt]

The trouble that rational people realise that religious literature (bible, koran etc.) are simply books written, editted, re-written, translated and doctored by people, and not the 'actual word of god'. However there are a large community of people who somehow have convinced themselves that this is somehow not that case and stories like the burning bush, the flood etc. are actually true.

PAWN3d in 5,4,3....

Provide evidence of this.

[sanjuro]

Provide evidence of this.
The King James Bible?

[BurlyShirley]

The King James Bible?
No ****. It says "King James Version" real big on the front :rofl: Maybe god named it that:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Heath Sherratt]

The King James Bible?

That it's false...off the topic anyways.
It's interesting that you all brought up religion because either you know me or you can see my avatar but actually it was just me thinking and bringing up an idea that I have thought about alot. It was spurned into thred via a discussion I had with a friend. Not my preacher/pastor. Interesting how you can be so judgmental when you claim the hatred for religion spawned from their judgements of you or their hypocritical lifestyles or their yadayadayada. You are no different from those types of people except you are in a different gang. The clothes do not make the man so to speak.
Many people including lots on this board are influenced by riders like Steve Peat or Cedric Gracia or Brian Lopes but they know nothing about them except what they hear or what they see in the videos or what they read in the magazines. Having been a "celebrity" because of my career in skateboarding I know that many people create seperate identities to live out in front of the public eye and lead very different lives behind closed doors. Some don't. Some are who they are and people just don't have the capacity to know them truly as friends because they idolize or worshipo them. I think if you really thought about it you would realize that in one way or another you have made decisions to be more like your heroes without even really knowing them. That's all I'm saying. Christian or not. What's the big deal about me being a Christian and having good ideas? If my avatar had tits and ass you would love me...stupid is as stupid does.

[Changleen]

Provide evidence of this.BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Idiot.

[kinghami3]

If you weren't ignorant you would understand that religious literature is meant to be read at a metaphorical level, not a literal one. The ironic thing is that's the problem with the annoying 99.999% of Christians you speak of: they read the Bible at a completely literal level. :rolleyes:
Hammer, meet nail. Actually, I would say that only about half of Christians read the Bible at the completely literal level, rather than at the level of metaphorical and revelatory stories. And Noah's Ark is shared by Christians and Jews. Not to say that these scriptures are completely true or completely false; that is not their importance. They are not meant to be historically accurate, but theologically true (i.e. the idea that the earth wasn't created in 6 days, but that does not change the fact that God created us and loves us). The inclusion/exclusion of not just passages but entire sections of the Bible prove the errancy of the Bible; though the truth of the stories hold up to time. Heath, aren't we searching for truth rather than fact?

Back on topic, I would much rather follow or admire someone for their accomplishments and actions rather than their beliefs. For example, I just went to the gay pride parade in Seattle. After arguing with the "God Hates Fags" protestors, I realized that I would rather be associated with a loving gay community than a hateful and hyprocritical Christian community, if that were the choice. Even if I have beliefs more in common with the Christians who were protesting, they are not fruitful.

[BurlyShirley]

I just went to the gay pride parade in Seattle.
You could've said that up front and saved my reading that whole long post...

[kinghami3]

You could've said that up front and saved my reading that whole long post...
but I thought you already knew that :confused:

[Changleen]

Actually, I would say that only about half of Christians read the Bible at the completely literal level, rather than at the level of metaphorical and revelatory stories.That's still a whole lot of idiots.

[Heath Sherratt]

Kinghami-Truth is more relevant than fact yes, but in the perfect world they are one and the same. As for your opinions on the Word, I disagree and would love to have a discussion via phone or in person about that. Care to swap numbers? PM me.

The Bible is not completely literal and it is not completely metaphorical. tsk,tsk

[Changleen]

Truth is more relevant than fact:rofl: :help:

[DaveW]

Truth is more relevant than fact yes, but in the perfect world they are one and the same.


WTF????????? :help:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Heath Sherratt]

:rofl: :help:

Hi, I try to hurt people I don't know. I'm exactly what i say is wrong with the world. I am the problem. I am jacks raging medulla oblongata. I am a ___. Very mature.

[sanjuro]

That it's false...off the topic anyways.
It's interesting that you all brought up religion because either you know me or you can see my avatar but actually it was just me thinking and bringing up an idea that I have thought about alot. It was spurned into thred via a discussion I had with a friend. Not my preacher/pastor. Interesting how you can be so judgmental when you claim the hatred for religion spawned from their judgements of you or their hypocritical lifestyles or their yadayadayada. You are no different from those types of people except you are in a different gang. The clothes do not make the man so to speak.
Many people including lots on this board are influenced by riders like Steve Peat or Cedric Gracia or Brian Lopes but they know nothing about them except what they hear or what they see in the videos or what they read in the magazines. Having been a "celebrity" because of my career in skateboarding I know that many people create seperate identities to live out in front of the public eye and lead very different lives behind closed doors. Some don't. Some are who they are and people just don't have the capacity to know them truly as friends because they idolize or worshipo them. I think if you really thought about it you would realize that in one way or another you have made decisions to be more like your heroes without even really knowing them. That's all I'm saying. Christian or not. What's the big deal about me being a Christian and having good ideas? If my avatar had tits and ass you would love me...stupid is as stupid does.
I am no bible expert, but "The King James Version" is an Latin-to-English translation, and there was controversy about the changes in meaning. It does sound like the King James Version has changed the exact meaning of the Latin Bible.

But on a different note, while I love Peat and Cedric's riding style, and I think their after-hours partying is funny, I have no idea how they behave, their morality and ethics, or their religious beliefs.

More importantly, their impact on my life is somewhat professionally, but neglible personally. They ride great, they are fast on the course, I sell the bikes they ride, and that's it.

I like to point out the tale of Michael Jordan. He is the #1 commerical spokeman in the world, and protecting his image is paramount to his financial status. Privately, he was a difficult teammate, cheated on his wife, and notoriously hard to deal with on a personal level.

I am a savvy media and sports watcher, so it is pretty obvious to me. I did mention Jordan's reputation to the manager of my division when she said at a meeting what a great teammate Jordan was.

On the other hand, I have read the books written by Phil Jackson, the coach of Bulls and the Lakers, and he has some influence on my life. I learned from his examples of strict Christian upbringing, his playing and coaching travails, and his conversion to Zen Buddhism. Actually, I will need to reread it again.

[Changleen]

Hi, I try to hurt people I don't know. I'm exactly what i say is wrong with the world. I am the problem. I am jacks raging medulla oblongata. I am a ___. Very mature.Dude, you apparantly honestly believe that your loving god flooded the entire world and some dude built a boat and collected two of every species and kept them on board for 40 days and nights. I'm not trying to hurt you, I'm suggesting that you might want to get some professional help.

[Heath Sherratt]

Riiight. I have a bridge...

[Changleen]

Riiight. I have a bridge...To a special place in your brain? Seriously. Defend your flood if you can. It's a *ridiculous* story.

[erastusboy]

There's nothing wrong with wearing the same gloves as Cedric or even taking up riding because you saw him do it and thought he was cool. There is nothing wrong with me thinking Brad Pitt is cool cause he has good fashion sense, besides the fact he just is cool. The problem starts when I go to africa or donate money to help orphans of AIDS because Brad Pitt did it...oh wait.

The point is you can think people are cool and buy the same jeans you saw them wearing cause you think it makes you look cool. It starts to be a problem when you follow them on things they have no expertise on besides their own hardly educated position.

Would you ask your priest about your suspension set up?

[Transcend]

He built a bridge over the flood. Duh. Read that post literally.

[Heath Sherratt]

To a special place in your brain? Seriously. Defend your flood if you can. It's a *ridiculous* story.

You may just be the first person on my ignore list. :banghead: Your attempts to turn everything into a religious talk proves your secret passion to know more about it. :love:

[BurlyShirley]

You may just be the first person on my ignore list. :banghead: Your attempts to turn everything into a religious talk proves your secret passion to know more about it. :love:
Seriously, have you spent significant time at AA? Not that that's bad, just curious...

[Heath Sherratt]

ediots...why is this thread and every other derailed and ignored? Why can't we just discuss the reason for the post? You can't discuss religion without relationship. You don't know me. If you did you would probably like me. I have no enemies and am actually loved by many in this industry. Your attempts to hate are proof you are fallen and can't get up. Get over it and talk the talk or walky walk. Sanjuro-you are the exception. Should go without saying but hey, this is e-life, everything is an illusion.

[Transcend]

Seriously, have you spent significant time at AA? Not that that's bad, just curious...

Oh no, not another troubled soul who "found god". :looney:

[Changleen]

ediots...why is this thread and every other derailed and ignored? Why can't we just discuss the reason for the post? You can't discuss religion without relationship. You don't know me. If you did you would probably like me. I have no enemies and am actually loved by many in this industry. Your attempts to hate are proof you are fallen and can't get up. Get over it and talk the talk or walky walk. Sanjuro-you are the exception. Should go without saying but hey, this is e-life, everything is an illusion.I'm not hating, and calling me your 'enemy' is little extreme don't you think? Maybe more evidence of your mental state. If I disagree with you, choose not to believe in your stories then I must be your enemy right? That's special.

I'm asking you a question. Can you defend your stories you base your life's belief system on? That's a reasonable question isn't it? Apparantly though you can't. I think you're the one who needs to walk the walk.

[Heath Sherratt]

:rofl: :help:

Truth is love, beauty, even light. None of these can be facts, or proven scientifically, yet you live for and by these things. therefore truth is more relevant than fact.

[Heath Sherratt]

I'm not hating, and calling me your 'enemy' is little extreme don't you think? Maybe more evidence of your mental state. If I disagree with you, choose not to believe in your stories then I must be your enemy right? That's special.

I'm asking you a question. Can you defend your stories you base your life's belief system on? That's a reasonable question isn't it? Apparantly though you can't. I think you're the one who needs to walk the walk.


Why don't you point out where I called you my enemy first.

[Transcend]

Truth is love, beauty, even light. None of these can be facts, or proven scientifically, yet you live for and by these things. therefore truth is more relevant than fact.

You been doing some heavy bong rips this evening or what? Holy crap, you sound like a new age tv evangelist.

[BurlyShirley]

Truth is love, beauty, even light. None of these can be facts, or proven scientifically, yet you live for and by these things. therefore truth is more relevant than fact.
WTF? What does that even mean? :rofl:

[Changleen]

Why don't you point out where I called you my enemy first.You brough the phrase up, and now you're spinning to avoid embarrasment. I contend your flood never happened, and your belief system is based on lies. Can you defend that or maybe you like to point out a spelling mistake I made or something equally trivial next?

[sanjuro]

ediots...why is this thread and every other derailed and ignored? Why can't we just discuss the reason for the post? You can't discuss religion without relationship. You don't know me. If you did you would probably like me. I have no enemies and am actually loved by many in this industry. Your attempts to hate are proof you are fallen and can't get up. Get over it and talk the talk or walky walk. Sanjuro-you are the exception. Should go without saying but hey, this is e-life, everything is an illusion.
Frankly, I think is such a general topic, it will easily be misunderstood, debated, and sniped at.

Because we are friends and we have discussed these topics before, I understand the parameters of this discussion, but for everyone else, well, you can read what I see.

[DaveW]

WTF? What does that even mean? :rofl:


it means fvck all! :rofl:

What that boils down to IMO is the "The bible is a beautiful story therefore it must be true". :rolleyes:

AKA, hiding from reality.... Something drunks and stoner's/druggies do a lot of by all accounts. ;)

[LordOpie]

This thread makes me wish weed was legal.

[erastusboy]

. I contend your flood never happened, and your belief system is based on lies. Can you defend that or maybe you like to point out a spelling mistake I made or something equally trivial next?

That is a moot point. I dont think he ever said that the bible was literal. Well I guess he kinda did, but you cant prove it either way, I mean you prove it didnt happen. Its not really a fair arguement that way, its kinda why its faith.

I dont know why I even bother posting as people are too busy bitching at each other to let anyone else interject.

[Changleen]

That is a moot point. I dont think he ever said that the bible was literal. Well I guess he kinda did, but you cant prove it either way, I mean you prove it didnt happen.Firstly, If there was a worldwide flood (and just think about that statement for a second) in the geologically relatively recent past (Hell, fairly recent human past) their would be obvious, massive geological evidence of it everywhere. There isn't. The end.

[erastusboy]

If you are going to talk about all this bible not true business lets first talk about the world being only 4000 years old?

I was more saying it in terms of faith. Its a good story it doesnt need to be true for there to be heaven and hell and me to feel that some ultimate being would appreciate it if i were a good person.

[Changleen]

The problem I have is how so many people are convinced you must be a [insert religion here] to live a moral life, or hold themselves in higher regard because of their 'adherance' to said religion. Secondly I have a big problem with the various political goals of today's (and yesterday's) various churches which in the large part have caused poverty, suffering and death for millions of people and gone out of their way to hinder the progress of science.

OK, I guess this thread is now totally derailled... :) Oh well, plus ca change and all that...

[BurlyShirley]

The problem I have is how so many people are convinced you must be a [insert religion here] to live a moral life, or hold themselves in higher regard because of their 'adherance' to said religion. Secondly I have a big problem with the various political goals of today's (and yesterday's) various churches which in the large part have caused poverty, suffering and death for millions of people and gone out of their way to hinder the progress of science.

OK, I guess this thread is now totally derailled... :) Oh well, plus ca change and all that...

To be fair though, a VERY large chunk of the worlds' charities are headed by religious orgs. Granted, its convert or starve in some cases, but still. Better than just starving. I'll say whatever you want if Im starving for a bowl of rice.

[erastusboy]

My favorite was when Pat Robertson "prayed" for supreme court judges to die.

[BurlyShirley]

My favorite was when Pat Robertson "prayed" for supreme court judges to die.
My favorite was the whole Spanish Inquisition. HILARIOUS:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Changleen]

To be fair though, a VERY large chunk of the worlds' charities are headed by religious orgs. Granted, its convert or starve in some cases, but still. Better than just starving.One might argue that without the various churches of the world, these problems may not have existed in the first place... ;) :clue: But yeah that is true. I'm just waiting for Bill to buy them all out and convert them to the church of M$...I'll say whatever you want if Im starving for a bowl of rice.Indeed.

[blue]

It seems Heath is tempted by the dark side...oh noes!

:rolleyes:

[ALEXIS_DH]

This thread makes me wish weed was legal.

i just wish they sell lithium without prescription...
pretty pesky to carry/get one everytime i need some....

talking about that (and this thread), i was at the pharmacy today (peruvian walgreens equivalent) and was this crazy ass biatch yelling at the cashier and the administrator, and hitting hard the glass counter.. he said they stole her cell phone (wtf?), and she wanted them to call the owner of the chain....

she was hitting everything and cursing everyone, and there was this old dude (his dad?) hold her arm and just looking with a resignation/sad/am-sorry face at everybody...

but they didnt want to sell me lithium without a prescription, so i went to the next drugstore, and then this other dude came up asking for risperidone (hardcore anti psycho drug)....

then i sit down, and read this thread at work.

i believe its a sign from god telling me "do what the voice tell you, and smite mankind"... :oink: :oink:

[kidwoo]

Your attempts to turn everything into a religious talk proves your secret passion to know more about it. :love:

Nah.

I turned it to religion and I don't want to know doodly squat.

I spent 12 years of my life in parochial schools and I've had quite enough.

What's more interesting to me is the living cliche that all of the followers of jeebus eventually become.

Actually, that's not that interesting either.

But really........what was the point of your original post? To not "follow" people you think are cool because they might be........oh what's the analogy?................false prophets?

Christ man, that's bush league....laughable.

[Silver]

Truth is love, beauty, even light. None of these can be facts, or proven scientifically, yet you live for and by these things. therefore truth is more relevant than fact.

"Here's Tom with the weather."

[Heath Sherratt]

The same people with the same hatred that spawned the spanish inquisitions, robertsons prayers to eliminate judges, the same hatred that spawned Rwanda. You're no different. Your words betray your hearts but you are too blind to see. Cliche? All your responses to my posts are a s predictable as a Batman tv show rerun. You're played, you're angry and you hate. Excellent reasons to be an atheist. Good evangelism guys. I want to get rid of my all loving God right now. I mean come on, someone even red flagged me because I am a Christian? Wackadoo. Hey Kidwoo, ask Luc if he remembers me. We rode together several times and I would say if we were to meet again it would be on good terms. Silver-look at your sig...would you say that this is the good life? the way you all have been treating me? for being a Christian? prejudice. hatred. fallen.

[DaveW]

The same people with the same hatred that spawned the spanish inquisitions, robertsons prayers to eliminate judges, the same hatred that spawned Rwanda. You're no different. Your words betray your hearts but you are too blind to see. Cliche? All your responses to my posts are a s predictable as a Batman tv show rerun. You're played, you're angry and you hate. Excellent reasons to be an atheist. Good evangelism guys. I want to get rid of my all loving God right now. I mean come on, someone even red flagged me because I am a Christian? Wackadoo. Hey Kidwoo, ask Luc if he remembers me. We rode together several times and I would say if we were to meet again it would be on good terms.

Those prdictable resposes are caused by your dodging the questions they perviously asked.
If you can't retort the argument don't post the above gibbering illogic. :clue:

[Heath Sherratt]

What illogic is that dave?

[kidwoo]

Good evangelism guys.


Apparently there's been some confusion.

I don't give a fvck about making other people think exactly the same as I do. My existence is just as valid being happy with who I am regardless of being surrounded by clones or not. As long as others are not killing people or negatively affecting my life, IT'S IRRELEVANT. You should try it.

That's the difference between you and me.

You're ideas or not new or fresh to anyone here because they most certainly did not originate with you.

I was reading the jeebus decades before you were. Your new found wisdom is most certainly at this point, and especially considering how short my life has been and the millions that came before us discussing the exact same things you bring up......cliche.

I'm glad you found your copy of catcher in the rye. Doesn't mean we all haven't already seen it too and made our own decisions.

[FARQ]

Wow, I'm scared of this place.

[DaveW]

What illogic is that dave?

Truth is more relevant than fact yes

:rolleyes: :nopity:

[Heath Sherratt]

Apparently there's been some confusion.

I don't give a fvck about making other people think exactly the same as I do. My existence is just as valid being happy with who I am regardless of being surrounded by clones or not. As long as others are not killing people or negatively affecting my life, IT'S IRRELEVANT. You should try it.

That's the difference between you and me.

You're ideas or not new or fresh to anyone here because they most certainly did not originate with you.

I was reading the jeebus decades before you were. Your new found wisdom is most certainly at this point, and especially considering how short my life has been and the millions that came before us discussing the exact same things you bring up......cliche.

I'm glad you found your copy of catcher in the rye. Doesn't mean we all haven't already seen it too and made our own decisions.


If you don't care about influencing others why are you trying so hard to influence me? If you want others to not affect your life negatively then why can't you show the same respect? And when did it become a good idea to put others down for sharing their thoughts? I'm glad you made your decisions Kid, why can't I make mine? Why can't I reach out and share what i think? How is your hatred and rage different (except for the size of the affect) than that of Hitlers facist regime? Hate is hate. Maybe it's nap time. Warm milk maybe. Chill out dude...cussing doesn't flatter you or make your point any more relevant. Where's the love? Where's your hope? What are you offerring me right now? I don't see the benefit of living the way you do, I only see negativity and rage. :redhot: Oh, and it looks like your company here in the politics forum are about as close to clones as you can get. In responses on the internet anyways.

[kidwoo]

The same people with the same hatred that spawned the spanish inquisitions, robertsons prayers to eliminate judges, the same hatred that spawned Rwanda. You're no different.

Really?

Rwanda? Really now?

What kind of an ego do you have that you associate someone daring to give you shlt on a silly thread topic with full on genocide?

Are you that important that ribbing you is the same thing as killing a few thousand people?

Lord save me for I have sinned. I heckled heath.

[ALEXIS_DH]

Wow, I'm scared of this place.

am stalking you. boo!

[kidwoo]

If you don't care about influencing others why are you trying so hard to influence me? If you want others to not affect your life negatively then why can't you show the same respect? And when did it become a good idea to put others down for sharing their thoughts? .

I'm an evolved monkey.

So are you .

What do you think of that?

[Silver]

I'm an evolved monkey.

So are you .

What do you think of that?

One of you is...

[kidwoo]

One of you is...


Stop killing innocent millions!!

[Heath Sherratt]

Kidwoo, why don't we meet? Go ride together? I'll be in Auburn tomorrow doing shuttles with a few guys from Mikes Bikes. We'll be there around 9AM. Should be fun.

[Old Man G Funk]

Heath,
Can you drop the persecution complex? That's also cliche. You live in a country that is about 80% Xtian. You are not a minority. You are not oppressed. Quit trying to be a martyr.

As for your topic, I certainly thought it was you broaching religion. If not, then the topic was so vanilla that you should be happy that it got this many replies. It should have been relegated to the back pages of ignoredom for being boring.

And, one last thing. Simply because someone doesn't agree on your view of the world/religion/god doesn't mean that they either hate you, hate your ideas, or hate in general. I know it is tough for you to accept this, but there are those of us who simply don't follow your god and see no reason to believe. You may have been convinced, but we are not. If one attacks your ideas of god, that doesn't necessarily mean they are attacking you.

[kinghami3]

That's still a whole lot of idiots.
Yeah, but a lot of those are persecuted Christians in places like China or Saudi Arabia, with little education but a committment to their religion that demands my respect and admiration.

[kidwoo]

Kidwoo, why don't we meet? Go ride together? I'll be in Auburn tomorrow doing shuttles with a few guys from Mikes Bikes. We'll be there around 9AM. Should be fun.


I work weekdays. Auburn in summer is too hot.

I'll be in mammoth the first weekend in august. Mountain and skatepark.

[rockwool]

I have a succinct description of society (american at least, but I believe others as well, if not all.) We as a people, would rather follow people because they are cool rather than because of what they believe in.


Propps for bringing somthing as this up!
But man this is way to heavy for a forum. This is something you discuss over a doobie.

"Truth is love, beauty, even light. None of these can be facts, or proven scientifically, yet you live for and by these things. therefore truth is more relevant than fact."
Beautifully said but I belive one has to experience that to be able to grasp the content.

Back to the original Q:
A lot of factors play in here;
INSECURITIES as previously mentioned,
contious and subcontious FEARS,
PEOPLE ARE LOST (subcontiously) and want to "fit in" ,
our role models used to be the village elders and God, now we're beeing fed to follow celebreties.
etc.

[Heath Sherratt]

Kidwoo, I would love to ride mammoth with you. I have only been there to race nationals and loved it. It may be difficult for me to get there this year though but I'll stay in touch. How about Downieville? Will you be at the classic?

Rockwool, thanks for the reply. I have been thinking a lot about this forum and the way the gang mentality sets in and the usage of verbiage become uniform. I.E. "vanilla", "cliche", etc. I also noticed that the discussion does not become about the original topic or even about whether or not to believe in God but about who's smarter and that simply does not excite me. I find that the reasons the discussions become so abusive and calous on the internet is because people use the illusion of strength to portray strength. Example, I don't think any one of these people here who have bashed me for being christian would act this way to my face in a real setting. It's simply out of character for even the most corrupt of characters. People don't just judge and fight for such petty things in real life. I witness the exact opposite in real ife. People are very concious of how they will be percieved and about the social dynamics of being an instigator or a "hater" and don't want to be labelled such. but here on the internet it is almost the norm and actually encouraged. "Cliche" if you will ;). The only p[lace i found such disregard for other opinions and accountability was jail, and even in there most of the population was civil. Those who acted out of line were put in lockdown or in the gladiator cells were fighting was almost promoted to eliminate the problems. Sad to see and even sadder to know that people want to remain detached from their reality.

[rockwool]

Man you can express your selfe real well...I have to look some words up in the dictionary, then marinate on what you said, before I can get back to you... =)

[Old Man G Funk]

Rockwool, thanks for the reply. I have been thinking a lot about this forum and the way the gang mentality sets in and the usage of verbiage become uniform. I.E. "vanilla", "cliche", etc. I also noticed that the discussion does not become about the original topic or even about whether or not to believe in God but about who's smarter and that simply does not excite me. I find that the reasons the discussions become so abusive and calous on the internet is because people use the illusion of strength to portray strength. Example, I don't think any one of these people here who have bashed me for being christian would act this way to my face in a real setting. It's simply out of character for even the most corrupt of characters. People don't just judge and fight for such petty things in real life. I witness the exact opposite in real ife. People are very concious of how they will be percieved and about the social dynamics of being an instigator or a "hater" and don't want to be labelled such. but here on the internet it is almost the norm and actually encouraged. "Cliche" if you will ;). The only p[lace i found such disregard for other opinions and accountability was jail, and even in there most of the population was civil. Those who acted out of line were put in lockdown or in the gladiator cells were fighting was almost promoted to eliminate the problems. Sad to see and even sadder to know that people want to remain detached from their reality.
I, for one, am not bashing you for being Xtian (and most others are not as well.) Of course, you automatically think that people must be bashing you, however. Ever stop to think that maybe there isn't some mob mentality, and that people aren't out to get you? Like I said, stop trying to play the martyr. Does Andyman get the same treatment? No. I wonder why that is. He's obviously Xtian and outspoken about it, so why don't we disrespect him for being Xtian?

For the record, I don't care what opinions you hold. You are free to hold them. It's when you make lame attempts to flaunt them in our faces or to proselytize that I draw the line, as do many others on this board. It's fine to believe in god, but that doesn't mean that all of us have to as well.

[rockwool]

Rockwool, thanks for the reply. I have been thinking a lot about this forum and the way the gang mentality sets in and the usage of verbiage become uniform. I.E. "vanilla", "cliche", etc. I also noticed that the discussion does not become about the original topic or even about whether or not to believe in God but about who's smarter and that simply does not excite me. I find that the reasons the discussions become so abusive and calous on the internet is because people use the illusion of strength to portray strength. Example, I don't think any one of these people here who have bashed me for being christian would act this way to my face in a real setting. It's simply out of character for even the most corrupt of characters. People don't just judge and fight for such petty things in real life. I witness the exact opposite in real ife. People are very concious of how they will be percieved and about the social dynamics of being an instigator or a "hater" and don't want to be labelled such. but here on the internet it is almost the norm and actually encouraged. "Cliche" if you will ;). The only p[lace i found such disregard for other opinions and accountability was jail, and even in there most of the population was civil. Those who acted out of line were put in lockdown or in the gladiator cells were fighting was almost promoted to eliminate the problems. Sad to see and even sadder to know that people want to remain detached from their reality.

Dunno where to start but to say that conversation over the net leaves a lot for personal interpretation. Many times on the MSN, have things been missunderstood by me or the friend that i was chatting to ..
Maybe we should make an effort to serve our posts withe extra humbleness to avoid missinterpretations.

Gang mentality, usage of verbiage, disregard of other opinions and people portraying them selves as something they're not, is unfortunally something not unique to forums.
To wich extent this has been used in this thread i can't say without rereading it (and that won't happen, it's too damn long and the wheather is at a Swedish summer best...)

"Sad to see and even sadder to know that people want to remain detached from their reality".
Reality is as it is with TRUTH, once you see it, the hardest thing to do is to accept it.
An equally hard thing to do is to speak out about it.
When you see the truth, you see the light and that is love. Thats when you're free.

[rockwool]

A lot of interesting things have been said in this thread and i'd love to get back to them.
Last few pages have derailed.

[BurlyShirley]

I find that the reasons the discussions become so abusive and calous on the internet is because people use the illusion of strength to portray strength. Example, I don't think any one of these people here who have bashed me for being christian would act this way to my face in a real setting.

The beauty of the internet is that you can express your TRUE feelings, and not be hampered by whatever social situations. I think that's one of the downsides to face to face communication. People are too worried about confrontation to express their TRUE feelings. Now, that being said, there is some value in tact, but tact is just like being PC or chicks that wear makeup. It's not a true representation. If you WANT true representation of thought, this is a good place to get it.

Oh, and no one is bashing you for being a christian, it's the way you're going about it.

[Heath Sherratt]

Burley, if you read the thread, I never went about anything.
I would like to apologize though, for the church and their misrepresentation of Christ. We as the church have done a horrible job of bringing peace and love. We have swayed from walking with Him in His divine knowledge and grace and have turned a relational thing into rules and conformities. There is no excuse. The crusades, the war on terror, the lack of helping the people in our own neighborhoods, feeding the needy, helping the homeless and bringing hope and love to those who need it. I can only say for all of that I am sorry. I am sorry if I have offended anyone in this forum. I only want to share what God has done in my life with the world. I try my best to communicate that Jesus is the most loving, faithful, patient God. I am just me and have failed to represent that at times in my life, again, for that I am sorry. I hope you will take this seriously and know that I am here to love people and to speak the truth. Sometimes grace must wound before it heals...It was Flannery O'Connor who said that "grace must wound before it heals." Her words help me to separate what is most true about life from the things we want to be true. We want life to be painless. True grace is a hard sell because in order for the human heart to understand forgiveness and love, it must first experience darkness and isolation. A life lived under the rule of grace is a life of need which allows us to receive and appreciate the gift of the giver of grace. This is why we will always have the poor with us; this is why God will not allow us to ignore injustice; this is why we are called to a life we cannot handle alone, which can and will break us in the effort to live it -- because grace must wound before it heals". -- Justin McRoberts

[Heath Sherratt]

Rockwool-have you seen the Matrix? I love the parellells in that movie with what you just said. Accepting the truth and then living in it. Taking the red pill and following the rabbit down the hole. It's so hard to do. I remember the day of my rebirth as clear as a bell. Nov.26th 1997. My eyes were opened. I saw things for how they really are. I will forever be grateful. Even in these times of difficulty, there is no going back now, no re-assimilation in to the matrix.

[Old Man G Funk]

Burley, if you read the thread, I never went about anything....
I only want to share what God has done in my life with the world. I try my best to communicate that Jesus is the most loving, faithful, patient God....<snipped to take out other prosyletizing>
Need I point out anymore?

[Silver]

Grace must wound before it heals?

Wtf...that's like someone saying, "I beat my wife so I can kiss her bruises better."

[rockwool]

Rockwool-have you seen the Matrix? I love the parellells in that movie with what you just said. Accepting the truth and then living in it. Taking the red pill and following the rabbit down the hole. It's so hard to do. I remember the day of my rebirth as clear as a bell. Nov.26th 1997. My eyes were opened. I saw things for how they really are. I will forever be grateful. Even in these times of difficulty, there is no going back now, no re-assimilation in to the matrix.

I feel what you're saying. Took the red pill and changed my ways. Don't want to go back to a state of unkown "blissfull" ignorance again even if i had the chance to relive that moment. That moment changed my pesimistic look of the world and where we are heading to an optimistic. We're heading towards enlightment, the bad guys loose more power for every year and they know it.

[rockwool]

Grace must wound before it heals?

Wtf...that's like someone saying, "I beat my wife so I can kiss her bruises better."


No man, what he is saying is that truth is some times so hard to accept because it hurts us to realise that what we thought was true, was actually lies. When you have accepted the truth for what it really is, you will begin on a path towards healing and strenght greater that before.

[rockwool]

Need I point out anymore?

I haven't spent enouogh time frequently on this forum to follow your discussions. But it's obvious that Heath has been trying to share his experiances with you lot.
It's unfortunate that some have come to take his actions for trying to persuade you into becoming a christian (or something).
What he probably has been doing is sharing. For someone who has had a "rebirth" and not to share his experiances, would in my eyes be be very strange, but more importantly a waste of knowledge.
Some of you have in this thread said that you haven't "persecuted" Heath for beeing a christian and that was entirely a wrongful perception from his side. Maybe, some have in return percived Heaths intentions a bit to strong.

[kidwoo]

Grace must wound before it heals?



Graceland is kind of the same way. You have to pay like $15 at first but then you get shown the real path to rock n' roll. I think it ends on a toilet though.

[rockwool]

Graceland is kind of the same way. You have to pay like $15 at first but then you get shown the real path to rock n' roll. I think it ends on a toilet though.

You've gotta take that tour! :)

[FARQ]

The toilet that Elvis died on? "I'm all shook up."

[DaveW]

I only want to share what God has done in my life with the world. I try my best to communicate that Jesus is the most loving, faithful, patient God.<snip>

Ya know I'm pretty sure one of the (few) rules in the Political debate forum is no preaching........

Politics & World News (8 Viewing)
Religious issues permitted here so long as they apply to current political issues. Preaching not allowed.
:nopity: :clue:

[blue]

Is this going to devolve further into one of those Jesus-debate threads?

[kidwoo]

Is this going to devolve further into one of those Jesus-debate threads?


Let's debate mmike.

mmike sucks!!!

[blue]

Let's debate mmike.

mmike sucks!!!

In the Mible it reads...

"MMike, the LORD, said unto thee, 'thou hast been smitten by mine mighty smiter,' and it came to pass that Woo came up from the city which was known as Nazareth and brought forth a child in swaddling Tommy Hilfiger"

Mike 2:14

Thus MMike does not suck, as this 2500 year old text, which happens to have been manhandled and rewritten by everyone and their pet goat, plainly states.

[BuddhaRoadkill]

No man, what he is saying is that truth is some times so hard to accept because it hurts us to realise that what we thought was true, was actually lies. When you have accepted the truth for what it really is, you will begin on a path towards healing and strenght greater that before.
:banghead:

[Changleen]

rockwool
No man, what he is saying is that truth is some times so hard to accept because it hurts us to realise that what we thought was true, was actually lies. When you have accepted the truth for what it really is, you will begin on a path towards healing and strenght greater that before.:banghead::stupid:

[DaveW]

Let's debate mmike.

mmike sucks!!!


Nno wway, MmMmike Rrocks!!

[MMike]

WTF!?? How did I get drawn into this....

I'm not saying that I'm better or greater, or comparing myself with Jesus Christ as a person or God as a thing or whatever it is....

[Old Man G Funk]

Grace must wound before it heals?

Wtf...that's like someone saying, "I beat my wife so I can kiss her bruises better."
Approved! But I can't give you any more rep right now.

[Old Man G Funk]

I haven't spent enouogh time frequently on this forum to follow your discussions. But it's obvious that Heath has been trying to share his experiances with you lot.
It's unfortunate that some have come to take his actions for trying to persuade you into becoming a christian (or something).
What he probably has been doing is sharing. For someone who has had a "rebirth" and not to share his experiances, would in my eyes be be very strange, but more importantly a waste of knowledge.
Some of you have in this thread said that you haven't "persecuted" Heath for beeing a christian and that was entirely a wrongful perception from his side. Maybe, some have in return percived Heaths intentions a bit to strong.
Heath is here to proselytize, which is fine so long as it is asked for. Unsolicited proselytizing, however, is what we are getting, and it's why we give him a hard time. If his experiences were prevalent to an on-going discussion, that would be one thing, and from time to time we do ask what the opinions of believers are on certain things. To go about it the way he has, however, in obfuscating his objectives and trying to act like he just wanted to start an innocent discussion rubs people the wrong way, especially when it is so transparent.

Also, Heath regularly complains about being persecuted for being Xtian even though it isn't true. You aren't allowed to disagree with him on anything, else you are persecuting him for being Xtian. It's sad.

[ohio]

Grace must wound before it heals?

Wtf...that's like someone saying, "I beat my wife so I can kiss her bruises better."
Pimpin' 101, lesson 4: If you don't hit a woman, she don't think you care.

[MMike]

werd.....

[kidwoo]

In the Mible it reads...

"MMike, the LORD, said unto thee, 'thou hast been smitten by mine mighty smiter,' and it came to pass that Woo came up from the city which was known as Nazareth and brought forth a child in swaddling Tommy Hilfiger"

Mike 2:14

Thus MMike does not suck, as this 2500 year old text, which happens to have been manhandled and rewritten by everyone and their pet goat, plainly states.


The error in my ways is apparent.

hilfiger? wtf???


Everyone come over for ambrosia salad and punch so we can discuss it.

[Silver]

Pimpin' 101, lesson 4: If you don't hit a woman, she don't think you care.

If you look at it that way, saved people are God's whores.

Might be time to set up an abuse hotline...

[fluff]

MMike is in fact the way. Or was it teh ghey? I think depends on the translation. I'll check...

[blue]

I just released the King Blue Translation of the Mible, SECOND EDITION!

Check it out at Barnes & Noble!

[rockwool]

Heath is here to proselytize, which is fine so long as it is asked for. Unsolicited proselytizing, however, is what we are getting, and it's why we give him a hard time. If his experiences were prevalent to an on-going discussion, that would be one thing, and from time to time we do ask what the opinions of believers are on certain things. To go about it the way he has, however, in obfuscating his objectives and trying to act like he just wanted to start an innocent discussion rubs people the wrong way, especially when it is so transparent.

Also, Heath regularly complains about being persecuted for being Xtian even though it isn't true. You aren't allowed to disagree with him on anything, else you are persecuting him for being Xtian. It's sad.

What is that guys name, he rode in Red Bull Rampage a few years back on a Balfa Minuteman, he went on a mission for three years i think. Gave up biking and the career he had going in it. People around me just couldn't get it.

I know some stuff can be too much in ones face some times, even instinctively. As religious people have to be tolerant towards followers of other religions, so must they also be towards atheists and back.
I don't want to devalue, what you say is an issue for you (and of course don't know what you have dealt with eather), but I don't feel that as a reason strong enough for somebody with a calling? to tone down his views on things existentially important to him.

Sorry if I haven't expressed my selfe correctly, hope you still understand what I mean.

[Old Man G Funk]

What is that guys name, he rode in Red Bull Rampage a few years back on a Balfa Minuteman, he went on a mission for three years i think. Gave up biking and the career he had going in it. People around me just couldn't get it.
I have no idea who that is. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
I know some stuff can be too much in ones face some times, even instinctively. As religious people have to be tolerant towards followers of other religions, so must they also be towards atheists and back.
I don't want to devalue, what you say is an issue for you (and of course don't know what you have dealt with eather), but I don't feel that as a reason strong enough for somebody with a calling? to tone down his views on things existentially important to him.

Sorry if I haven't expressed my selfe correctly, hope you still understand what I mean.
I'm not sure what you mean. What is a calling? Why does that give Heath the right to try and force Xtianity down all our throats?

[Old Man G Funk]

Yeah! And why do you want to cram your liberal agenda down ours, Mr. "Global Warming"...


:rofl:
Ha ha ha. Red herring.

Global warming is not a belief system. What I've been trying to make you see is that we are experiencing a period of warmer global temperatures and that we are contributing to that temp. rise. We also need to take some measures before it gets out of hand and causes disastrous effects. This is all supported by science. Forcing me to believe that some entity lives in the sky and will punish me with hell if I don't believe in him is not science, it is a belief system. Nice try though.

[Old Man G Funk]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight ........... you suckle at the bosom of the Global Warming Gawd...
You saying it doesn't make it so. Too bad for you.

[BurlyShirley]

You saying it doesn't make it so. Too bad for you.
"na na na na na na" :rofl: Nice retort.

[Old Man G Funk]

Your belief in that assertion requires a lot of faith...
Not at all. You making an incorrect assertion about me requires no faith on my part to disbelieve in it.

Edit: BTW, if you are trying to start flame wars with me, perhaps you could just start a thread for it or stick to the one that everyone else is using so that we only junk up one thread.

second edit: That goes for you too Burly.

[DRB]

Nno wway, MmMmike Rrocks!!

The squirrel army will be along shortly for re-indoctrination.

[ohio]

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
What the hell is a "a defining force?"

[fluff]

What the hell is a "a defining force?"
You did it again, didn't you...

[rockwool]

I have no idea who that is. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

I'm not sure what you mean. What is a calling? Why does that give Heath the right to try and force Xtianity down all our throats?

Have to get back to you about the calling thingie, can't translate it better right now.

He rode a hardtail with a super t onnit in the 2004 event i think. Anyways what I was trying to give an example that we all who love riding can relate to. He gave riding up for God, i.e. values to live by and for. That is what I belive Heath has done.

I don't know how much he has forced him selfe upon you and how so I can't therefore say how much abuse you should take. ;)