Flag Burning

[alta01]

How is burning the flag an act of free “speech”. What’s next, desecration of the Lincoln, Washington or Jefferson Memorials in the name of free speech?? It is not “free speech”. It is simply “UN-AMERICAN” and any Senator who votes against burning the flag is an UN-AMERICAN SENATOR!!!

[Old Man G Funk]

Why is it un-American? Why isn't it free speech? Actually, in this country all speech is free. We simply restrict certain things, and usually with good reason. We restrict the right of someone to yell, "Fire" in a crowded theater because it leads to a dangerous situation where people could get hurt. Does flag burning lead to people getting hurt? Does someone burning a flag usurp the rights of others? The answer is no. So, what's the problem?

[DirtyDog]

How is burning the flag an act of free “speech”. What’s next, desecration of the Lincoln, Washington or Jefferson Memorials in the name of free speech?? It is not “free speech”. It is simply “UN-AMERICAN” and any Senator who votes against burning the flag is an UN-AMERICAN SENATOR!!!

There is a difference in the destruction of something you own (flag) and something you obviously don't own (public property). Can you do any better?

[dhbuilder]

while i in no way think it's proper conduct. and i wouldn't think twice about walking up and slapping the s... out of some punk who was doing it.

the flag is just a symbol.

most folks are against burning the flag.
but a law banning it, just adds to the countless un-enforced laws already on the books.

the time it took for all this could have been much better spent on something else.

[Tenchiro]

Flags are burned all the time, and have been for the history of our country.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode04/usc_sec_04_00000008----000-.html

US CODE: Title 4,8. Respect for flag (k)The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

[MudGrrl]

I think I'm gonna go burn a flag.............


just to piss people off.

[dante]

Flags are burned all the time, and have been for the history of our country.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode04/usc_sec_04_00000008----000-.html

no way, that should be ILLEGAL, you should have to throw it away in the trash along with diper-sh!t and rotting vegetables to show it REAL respect.

[Westy]

If the flag buners are beaten up by some srusty gunny sargent, is that ok? I mean, it's just freedom of expression on the gunny's part and all.

Should be fine seeing as though the symbol has become more important than what it actually stands for anyway.

[dante]

If the flag buners are beaten up by some srusty gunny sargent, is that ok? I mean, it's just freedom of expression on the gunny's part and all.

nice try. unless gunny was damaged emotionally *sniffle sniffle* one involves doing something to property you own, the other encroaches on someone's right NOT to be punched in the face. how's it go? your right to throw a punch ends at the tip of my nose.

[DRB]

If the flag buners are beaten up by some srusty gunny sargent, is that ok? I mean, it's just freedom of expression on the gunny's part and all.

Don't be stupid.

[DRB]

what if he puts out the fire by beating the flames with the person that started it?

Don't be stupid.

[Old Man G Funk]

What if there was a strong wind and a high fire danger level?
Ugh, the joke wasn't even funny the first time.

[ragin-sagin]

Don't be stupid.
You sang that out loud in a Shania Twain voice didn't you?

[DRB]

You sang that out loud in a Shania Twain voice didn't you?

Don't be stupid.

[alta01]

What a stupid answer!! Make sure you wrap the flag around yourself before you light it.

[Old Man G Funk]

What a stupid answer!! Make sure you wrap the flag around yourself before you light it.
To whom is this addressed?

[alta01]

I think I'm gonna go burn a flag.............


just to piss people off.


Make sure you wrap the flag around yourself before you light it MudGrrl

[alta01]

To whom is this addressed?


It was for MuDGRLL

[MudGrrl]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA


oh, man

that comment is awesome.

Well thought out and all.

You're not even going to TRY to tell me why it's wrong?

[alta01]

if it were wrapped around Al Gore. I suggest telling Al it might ruin the atmosphere, then, when he unwrapps himself, light up Al.


What if the flag was algore?

[Old Man G Funk]

It was for MuDGRLL
Yeah, I got that from the second bludgeoning attempt.

[DirtyDog]

It was for MuDGRLL

Out of all the responses that was the only one you could acknowledge? I'm afraid you are in way over your head here.

[Old Man G Funk]

if it were wrapped around Al Gore. I suggest telling Al it might ruin the atmosphere, then, when he unwrapps himself, light up Al.
It's bad form to engage N8 in seriously unhumorous jokes and to make them worse in the process.

[ioscope]

I really hope that the person with the first post was being facetious.

[Old Man G Funk]

I really hope that the person with the first post was being facetious.
Stop using big words, I don't think the proprietor of this thread will understand what you are saying.

[alta01]

1. We live in the US and should respect the flag. I understand the whole free speech thing but this country fought hard so even liberals like you can have free speech.

2. Try burning the flag of another nation in that nation and see how fast you go up in smoke .

3. If you don't like the US and hate it's symbols and people enough to piss on our symbols, then simply leave the country.

4. I know that you grew up in a time when school systems teach and think it's cool to do disrespectful things to our sysmbols, but trust me honey you'll learn to love that flag. Anyone who

5. Anyone who burns the flag is just trying to get attention and is going about it in the worst asshole, childish way. Kinda like the asshole who drives in the left hand lane on a 55 MPH highway doing 45 MPH. Stupid is what stupid does.

oh, man

that comment is awesome.

Well thought out and all.

You're not even going to TRY to tell me why it's wrong?[/QUOTE]

[DirtyDog]

1. We live in the US and should respect the flag. I understand the whole free speech thing but this country fought hard so even liberals like you can have free speech.

2. Try burning the flag of another nation in that nation and see how fast you go up in smoke .

3. If you don't like the US and hate it's symbols and people enough to piss on our symbols, then simply leave the country.

4. I know that you grew up in a time when school systems teach and think it's cool to do disrespectful things to our sysmbols, but trust me honey you'll learn to love that flag. Anyone who

5. Anyone who burns the flag is just trying to get attention and is going about it in the worst asshole, childish way. Kinda like the asshole who drives in the left hand lane on a 55 MPH highway doing 45 MPH. Stupid is what stupid does.


Well at least your are making an effort now. I'll defer my comments to my official spokesman OMGF.

[DRB]

alta01

Stromberg v. California

and

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

and

Terminiello v. Chicago

and the last two

Texas v. Johnson and U.S. v. Eichman.

[alta01]

Why is it un-American? Why isn't it free speech? Actually, in this country all speech is free. We simply restrict certain things, and usually with good reason. We restrict the right of someone to yell, "Fire" in a crowded theater because it leads to a dangerous situation where people could get hurt. Does flag burning lead to people getting hurt? Does someone burning a flag usurp the rights of others? The answer is no. So, what's the problem?

You're so freakin intelligent. Read my reply to Mudsquirrel.

[alta01]

alta01

Stromberg v. California

and

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

and

Terminiello v. Chicago

and the last two

Texas v. Johnson and U.S. v. Eichman.

NOT FREEDOM TO DESTROY GENIUS

[DRB]

1. We live in the US and should respect the flag. I understand the whole free speech thing but this country fought hard so even liberals like you can have free speech.

2. Try burning the flag of another nation in that nation and see how fast you go up in smoke .

3. If you don't like the US and hate it's symbols and people enough to piss on our symbols, then simply leave the country.

4. I know that you grew up in a time when school systems teach and think it's cool to do disrespectful things to our sysmbols, but trust me honey you'll learn to love that flag. Anyone who

5. Anyone who burns the flag is just trying to get attention and is going about it in the worst asshole, childish way. Kinda like the asshole who drives in the left hand lane on a 55 MPH highway doing 45 MPH. Stupid is what stupid does.

oh, man

that comment is awesome.

Well thought out and all.

You're not even going to TRY to tell me why it's wrong?[/QUOTE]

I can think Bush is a pinhead puppet who couldn't think his way out of a paper bag, Chenney is a war-mongering, environment hating twit, Congress is full of thieving lying bastards whose only concern is themselves, and the Military as bunch of jackbooted thugs, the whole time singing the StarBangled Banner, WHILE BURNING THE FLAG and proclaiming to the heavens I am the greatest of American Patriots. Because that is simply my RIGHT as an American. There are no exceptions to that, no footnotes, no astericks. YOU may not like it but there isn't a damn thing you OR ANYONE else can do about it.

You know why because the founding fathers had the good sense to make the first amendment amongest other things the FREEDOM OF SPEECH and thru the court cases I sited above have been affirmed OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

And please don't waste my time with tales of American soldiers dying for my rights because it doesn't change that one iota. I should be appreciative of the sacrifice but even if I am not, again, it still doesn't change a thing.

I can even make a little worse if you like. Its a volunteer armed forces with the price of admission printed on the paper that you sign when you go in, YOU COULD DIE BECAUSE OF SOME PINHEADS' DECISION, PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF OTHER PINHEADS, EVENTHOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT. (Or at least I remember it saying something like that). If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have signed it. Even when the draft is instituted, there are alternatives to avoiding that.

If that hurts your feelings or makes you uncomfortable, then tough, its not my job to make you feel comfortable or feel good about yourself. Freedom and Liberty aren't easy concepts and sometimes hurt our own moral sensibilities to fully embrace them but that's the way it is. They can't be turned on and off to suit our feelings and thoughts. Any limitations made to them are best done with extreme care and forethought. If you don't like it and would like to see it changed, I encourage you to pick any dictatorship throughout history or even better just pick one of the countries in the "Axis of Evil" and see if that brand of government is a better fit.

[DRB]

NOT FREEDOM TO DESTROY GENIUS

And in the last two cases the burning of the flag was determined to be Free Speech.

[alta01]

What you need to do is get off your cry baby pulpit. Oh and take more prozac!!! Stop lying to yourself. There... there, now, everything will be alright. Mommy loves you.

I can think Bush is a pinhead puppet who couldn't think his way out of a paper bag, Chenney is a war-mongering, environment hating twit, Congress is full of thieving lying bastards whose only concern is themselves, and the Military as bunch of jackbooted thugs, the whole time singing the StarBangled Banner, WHILE BURNING THE FLAG and proclaiming to the heavens I am the greatest of American Patriots. Because that is simply my RIGHT as an American. There are no exceptions to that, no footnotes, no astericks. YOU may not like it but there isn't a damn thing you OR ANYONE else can do about it.

You know why because the founding fathers had the good sense to make the first amendment amongest other things the FREEDOM OF SPEECH and thru the court cases I sited above have been affirmed OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

And please don't waste my time with tales of American soldiers dying for my rights because it doesn't change that one iota. I should be appreciative of the sacrifice but even if I am not, again, it still doesn't change a thing.

I can even make a little worse if you like. Its a volunteer armed forces with the price of admission printed on the paper that you sign when you go in, YOU COULD DIE BECAUSE OF SOME PINHEADS' DECISION, PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF OTHER PINHEADS, EVENTHOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT. (Or at least I remember it saying something like that). If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have signed it. Even when the draft is instituted, there are alternatives to avoiding that.

If that hurts your feelings or makes you uncomfortable, then tough, its not my job to make you feel comfortable or feel good about yourself. Freedom and Liberty aren't easy concepts and sometimes hurt our own moral sensibilities to fully embrace them but that's the way it is. They can't be turned on and off to suit our feelings and thoughts. Any limitations made to them are best done with extreme care and forethought. If you don't like it and would like to see it changed, I encourage you to pick any dictatorship throughout history or even better just pick one of the countries in the "Axis of Evil" and see if that brand of government is a better fit.[/QUOTE]

[Tenchiro]

Too bad that even our president doesn't know crap about flag desecration.

http://dcdl.org/wp-content/bush-signing-flag.jpg

Doh!

[DirtyDog]

You guys can't quote a post worth **** today :rofl:

[DRB]

What you need to do is get off your cry baby pulpit. Oh and take more prozac!!! Stop lying to yourself. There... there, now, everything will be alright. Mommy loves you.

I wonder who said this:
How is burning the flag an act of free “speech”. What’s next, desecration of the Lincoln, Washington or Jefferson Memorials in the name of free speech?? It is not “free speech”. It is simply “UN-AMERICAN” and any Senator who votes against burning the flag is an UN-AMERICAN SENATOR!!!

Oh that's right.

[sanjuro]

My friends were at a super party, lots of art bands playing. The singer from one of them was about to burn a flag when one of my buddies, who happened to be in a frat, jumped on stage and yanked it out of his hand. There was a huge fight over the whole thing, but he did save our flag from the fire...

[Tenchiro]

Personally speaking I would rath er see people burn a flag in protest, than let the one on the bag of their car rot in apathy.

[RenegadeRick]

The right to burn our flag is precisely what makes it great.




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I want to explain further, but there should be no need.
I believe that this should be the end of this thread, but I will
continue the discussion if necessary for anyone who cannot
understand this simple truth.

[Silver]

Pop quiz to all the Southerners: If you wrap a black man who has had sex with a white woman in a flag and light the flag on fire, would you still consider that desecration of the flag?

Or is it better to go to Home Depot and buy some chain so you can drag the man to death behind your pickup while waving the unburnt flag out the window?

Man, this is complicated stuff...I better go see what it says in the Bible...

[DaveW]

What if there was a strong wind and a high fire danger level?


And what if someone put out the fire by pissing on it? :rolleyes:

[Upgr8r]

My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular.
Adlai E. Stevenson Jr., Speech in Detroit, 7 Oct. 1952

The First Amendment is often inconvenient. But that is besides the point. Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation to tolerate speech.
Justice Anthony Kennedy

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791

[Upgr8r]

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

[BurlyShirley]

Patriotism is a wierd thing. Im not one to really believe in symbolism much, but anyone who can look at the picture of the Marines atop Mt. Suribachi raising the US flag and still feel like burning one is just a peice of sh!t. Plain and simple. So while I dont feel like the burning of the flag should be illegal, I do have a very low opinion of people who do it, becuase they're thoughtless idiots who only crave attention.

[DaveW]

Personally I'd perfer it if folks just burnt McDonalds stores instead..... Still an iconic american symbol, but at least unlike a flag, burning it down would also do the public good by reducing the flow of crappy unhealthy food to the populace. :D

[blue]

In regards to your "try doing it in another country", not many other (Read: none) developed nations harbor the same Nationalistic (You know, Nazi) sentiments our backwards little neck of the woods does...

Btw, the moron who proposed this before the Senate is a senile Mormon from Utah, our very own Orrin Hatch. Same guy who proposed blowing up people's computers (literally) for filesharing, among other boneheaded moves.

Vote Ashdown (Proprietor of Xmission.com, host of Maddox) and get this idiot out of the Senate.

[Changleen]

Personally I'd perfer it if folks just burnt McDonalds stores instead..... Still an iconic american symbol, but at least unlike a flag, burning it down would also do the public good by reducing the flow of crappy unhealthy food to the populace. :D:stupid: Good idea!

[ragin-sagin]

I was gonna put in some opinion here but I think its a lost cause. So instead I would like to nominate this for best thread ever.

I would also like to nominate Alta01 for "Best First 10 posts Ever" award. Way to bust on the scene! These colors don't run!

[sanjuro]

Patriotism is a wierd thing. Im not one to really believe in symbolism much, but anyone who can look at the picture of the Marines atop Mt. Suribachi raising the US flag and still feel like burning one is just a peice of sh!t. Plain and simple. So while I dont feel like the burning of the flag should be illegal, I do have a very low opinion of people who do it, becuase they're thoughtless idiots who only crave attention.
:stupid:

[Changleen]

The whole flag burning thing was simply a cynical ploy to divert attention from other more pressing, actually important issues anyway. 4 pages later it seems that it worked...

[DaveW]

Strange?
This thread shows on my computer as only 2 pages long........

[Changleen]

Strange?
This thread shows on my computer as only 2 pages long........
I never bothered to change the default.

[valve bouncer]

In regards to your "try doing it in another country", not many other (Read: none) developed nations harbor the same Nationalistic (You know, Nazi) sentiments our backwards little neck of the woods does...

.
I don't know about that. I know in Australia there was recently a brouhaha about flag burning. I think the general consensus was it wasn't worth getting our knickers in a knot over and it remains legal. (assuming it's not burnt on a fire-ban day)

[BurlyShirley]

Blue, exactly what other countries have you been to that you would claim to even know that? Everyone's got their rednecks. EVERYONE.

[partsbara]

everyone loves a good flag burning

[noname]

To the submitter of this thread:
"Turn off the Sean Hannity show and slowly back away from the radio......."
Personally I think the whole episode was a waste of time. One of the great burdens of freedom is having to endure the exercising of it by others.

[stevew]

Blue, exactly what other countries have you been to that you would claim to even know that? Everyone's got their rednecks. EVERYONE.
Do you think he has been to any other states other than Utah, let alone any other countries?

[blue]

Let me rephrase what I said:

Most other developed nations do not have such a high retard to non-retard ratio going on. Better?

Steve, go **** yourself, and contribute something worthwhile.

[noname]

Let me rephrase what I said:

Most other developed nations do not have such a high retard to non-retard ratio going on. Better?

Steve, go **** yourself, and contribute something worthwhile.
http://www.justblowme.com/images/smilies/shakehead.gif
Ironic that the above statement would come from blue http://www.justblowme.com/images/smilies/boogie.gif

[DaveW]

Let me rephrase what I said:

Most other developed nations do not have such a high retard to non-retard ratio going on. Better?

Steve, go **** yourself, and contribute something worthwhile.


Actually I'd say the retard to non-retard rate would be roughly the same world wide... Other cultures are just less inclined to place their idiots on a pedestal.

For all his bombast and redneck hyperbole One line of Tom Clancys rings true to me.....
Different races are just different masks over the same flesh and blood beneath
:)

[jimmydean]

I would not do it myself, but it does make a statement. I also think there are far greater issues in this country to worry about right now.

[fluff]

Blue, exactly what other countries have you been to that you would claim to even know that? Everyone's got their rednecks. EVERYONE.
You could burn a British flag in Britain and probably be ignored. (I've seen it done.)

I saw a clip of a reality TV show a couple of years back where they had groups of US, German, British and Japanese people in a hotel complex with various events to compare cultures. One of these events was an unannounced burning of the respective national flag. The only nation to get really upset (to the point of violence) was the US. The Japanese were quite vocal, as were the Germans. The British simply shrugged and walked away.

Having not burnt flags in any nation I know no more about it.

[stevew]

Let me rephrase what I said:

Most other developed nations do not have such a high retard to non-retard ratio going on. Better?

Steve, go **** yourself, and contribute something worthwhile.
So I was right?

Honestly little boy blue, I was just giving you a hard time.

[Old Man G Funk]

1. We live in the US and should respect the flag. I understand the whole free speech thing but this country fought hard so even liberals like you can have free speech.
Including the free speech of burning the flag. Are you seriously going to say that people died for our freedoms so we shouldn't exercise them? That would make their deaths in vain.

Oh, and BTW, we also let you spew your naziesque, facistic garbage about taking away all our rights.
2. Try burning the flag of another nation in that nation and see how fast you go up in smoke .
And, you want to hold the US to their standard, or you want to hold the US to a higher standard?
3. If you don't like the US and hate it's symbols and people enough to piss on our symbols, then simply leave the country.
Being upset enough to torch a flag does not necessarily mean that the person doing it hates this country. They may be trying to demonstrate to wake people up and improve the country. There are many things that I dislike that our country is currently doing, but I do not hate my country. I would like to see it improve itself and become an even greater country.
4. I know that you grew up in a time when school systems teach and think it's cool to do disrespectful things to our sysmbols, but trust me honey you'll learn to love that flag.
Don't presume to know when and where I grew up or how I feel about the flag. Just because I stand up for the rights of others does not necessarily mean that I endorse that view. Case in point is that I think you have the right to spew your nonsense.
5. Anyone who burns the flag is just trying to get attention and is going about it in the worst asshole, childish way. Kinda like the asshole who drives in the left hand lane on a 55 MPH highway doing 45 MPH. Stupid is what stupid does.
This is just plain indefensible. You probably don't know anyone who has burned a flag, so how could you make blanket statements?

Of course, flag burning (as Chang pointed out) is just a diversion from all the other problems. Gay marriage is another one. Every time there's an election, these "problems" come up. It's sad that there are people like alta here who eat this sh*t up.

[Old Man G Funk]

Well at least your are making an effort now. I'll defer my comments to my official spokesman OMGF.
You honor me sir. Hope I lived up to the hype.

[DaveW]

You honor me sir. Hope I lived up to the hype.


No one ever lives up to the hype.

Just try to skim as much cash as you can, then leg it! :D

[BurlyShirley]

Just for the record, being proud of ones nation and wanting to do well (read Nationalistic) doesnt necesarrily equate to fascism. I know you all LOVE the nazi comparisons, but quit being idiots.

[DaveW]

I hate posting two throw away joke lines in a row in one thread but.....

I will when you will Burly......

[BurlyShirley]

I hate posting two throw away joke lines in a row in one thread but.....

I will when you will Burly......


Im pretty sure it's "Backalackadacka St." fella.

[DaveW]

*meh* I was pissed when I saw the movie..... and I hear with a different accent to you. ;) :rofl:

[DaveW]

Fixed :D

Ok bottle of wine is finished as am I, so as it's 1:30 am I'm going to bed, G'night all! :)

[BurlyShirley]

*meh* I was pissed when I saw the movie..... and I hear with a different accent to you. ;) :rofl:
There was no accent from the characters in that movie. :) They spoke good ole' Merican!


Except the part where Juan Valdez says
NO ME GUSTA!!!!!!! :rofl:

[BurlyShirley]

Fixed :D

Ok bottle of wine is finished as am I, so as it's 1:30 am I'm going to bed, G'night all! :)
Glad Im leading you down the path to recovery.

[DaveW]

You no Rissen round eye.... I HEAR with a different accent!

[BurlyShirley]

You no Rissen round eye.... I HEAR with a different accent!

I dont understand. There is no accent to hear. It's american english.

[Old Man G Funk]

Just for the record, being proud of ones nation and wanting to do well (read Nationalistic) doesnt necesarrily equate to fascism. I know you all LOVE the nazi comparisons, but quit being idiots.
Nor did I say it did. I'm proud of my nation and I want the nation to do well. There may be certain things that I disapprove of, but overall I'm proud of what this country stands for.

Wanting to take away free speech to promote forced Nationalism is fascism.

[BurlyShirley]

Nor did I say it did. I'm proud of my nation and I want the nation to do well. There may be certain things that I disapprove of, but overall I'm proud of what this country stands for.

Wanting to take away free speech to promote forced Nationalism is fascism.
I was speaking about blue mostly

[ALEXIS_DH]

I don´t know why god created birds

to **** all over you.
in peru, being shat all over by a bird is believed to be of good luck... really.




yeah seriously.

[BurlyShirley]

to **** all over you.
in peru, being shat all over by a bird is believed to be of good luck... really.




yeah seriously.

Hey,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT4PwVhlSvs

my inspiration right there.

[sanjuro]

Hey,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT4PwVhlSvs

my inspiration right there.
"Burly says he feels worthless because of his fear of mustard"

[alta01]

1. Why do you guys resort to calling people Nazi's when you're losing your argumnet.

2. No one would have to pass a law if people like you would have a little respect for others feelings. What you're trying to say is that you'd rather piss people off them give them the respect for what they believe in.

3. I don't care if your gay and this isn't about being gay, it's about respecting others wishes and feelings. When you try to deliberately go out and piss someone else off by burning the flag you are still being deliberate and disrespectful of others thoughts and feelings on this subject or any other.

4. If you don't like something then why use the flag, which just happens to be an american symbol, why use it? I'll tell ya why!!! It's because it gets a "rise out of people". I feel you have a right to spew your thoughts out to the public in general, JUST AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INFRINGE ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS OR THIER FEELINGS ON "ANY" SUBJECT. It is totally UNAMERICAN to burn ones own Flag. Why don't they burn something else instead. Maybe thier own car. But no, no one will do that because it's "arson" and you will go to jail for arson. Isn't burning your "own" flag arson???

5 I'm done with this subject. You'll never understand. Just as long as you make your point that's all that counts to you. It's obvious you could give a crap about no one but yourself and your opinions!!!

Including the free speech of burning the flag. Are you seriously going to say that people died for our freedoms so we shouldn't exercise them? That would make their deaths in vain.

Oh, and BTW, we also let you spew your naziesque, facistic garbage about taking away all our rights.

And, you want to hold the US to their standard, or you want to hold the US to a higher standard?

Being upset enough to torch a flag does not necessarily mean that the person doing it hates this country. They may be trying to demonstrate to wake people up and improve the country. There are many things that I dislike that our country is currently doing, but I do not hate my country. I would like to see it improve itself and become an even greater country.

Don't presume to know when and where I grew up or how I feel about the flag. Just because I stand up for the rights of others does not necessarily mean that I endorse that view. Case in point is that I think you have the right to spew your nonsense.

This is just plain indefensible. You probably don't know anyone who has burned a flag, so how could you make blanket statements?

Of course, flag burning (as Chang pointed out) is just a diversion from all the other problems. Gay marriage is another one. Every time there's an election, these "problems" come up. It's sad that there are people like alta here who eat this sh*t up.

[I Are Baboon]

Hey alta01, what kind of mountain bike do you own? Just wondering.

[DirtyDog]

I think we just got told :nuts:

[johnbryanpeters]

Hey alta01, what kind of mountain bike do you own? Just wondering.
A custom Newt Gingrich PissoffDaPope model.

[Tenchiro]

I feel you have a right to spew your thoughts out to the public in general, JUST AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INFRINGE ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS OR THIER FEELINGS ON "ANY" SUBJECT.

You are in the wrong place for this my friend. Although with this atttitude, Iraq in the 90's may have been perfect for you.

[sanjuro]

5 I'm done with this subject.

No, you're not. You'll keep it going...

[Transcend]

How is burning the flag an act of free “speech”. What’s next, desecration of the Lincoln, Washington or Jefferson Memorials in the name of free speech?? It is not “free speech”. It is simply “UN-AMERICAN” and any Senator who votes against burning the flag is an UN-AMERICAN SENATOR!!!

You're an idiot.

[noname]

1.

2. .........No one would have to pass a law if people like you would have a little respect for others feelings..............
3........ it's about respecting others wishes and feelings. ........ you are still being deliberate and disrespectful of others thoughts and feelings on this subject or any other.

4.......... I feel you have a right to spew your thoughts out to the public in general, JUST AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INFRINGE ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS OR THIER FEELINGS ON "ANY" SUBJECT.............

5 ..........
so let me get this straight, I have a right to express myself how I see fit so long as no one's feelings are hurt? Thought police anyone?

[MudGrrl]

How 'bout we start hounding the uber-patriotic people who have flags and leave them in the weather for 7 years until they're shredded?

Let's also nail the people who leave their flags out at night and don't put a light on them?

Alta01, do the patriotic type people who have flag bikinis and have them all jammed in their @ss and cooch make you want to cry?

[Old Man G Funk]

1. Why do you guys resort to calling people Nazi's when you're losing your argumnet.
I'm not calling you a nazi. I'm calling your argument to force me to be patriotic a fascist argument. It is not aimed at you personally. And, also, who is "you guys?"
2. No one would have to pass a law if people like you would have a little respect for others feelings. What you're trying to say is that you'd rather piss people off them give them the respect for what they believe in.
Isn't this what Conservatives rail against? That liberals are always trying to pass laws that make people "feel" better? That liberals are always the ones that are worried about hurting people's feelings? If burning a flag somehow means that I don't have respect for you, then you need to get over yourself.
3. I don't care if your gay and this isn't about being gay, it's about respecting others wishes and feelings. When you try to deliberately go out and piss someone else off by burning the flag you are still being deliberate and disrespectful of others thoughts and feelings on this subject or any other.
No, it's not about being gay, but it is about diverting people's attention from other issues. This is a wedge issue that is used to rile up people like you and get people like you to go out and vote Republican.
4. If you don't like something then why use the flag, which just happens to be an american symbol, why use it? I'll tell ya why!!! It's because it gets a "rise out of people". I feel you have a right to spew your thoughts out to the public in general, JUST AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INFRINGE ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS OR THIER FEELINGS ON "ANY" SUBJECT. It is totally UNAMERICAN to burn ones own Flag. Why don't they burn something else instead. Maybe thier own car. But no, no one will do that because it's "arson" and you will go to jail for arson. Isn't burning your "own" flag arson???
People burn an American symbol because it is just that, an American symbol. How do you show displeasure with a country? You do something that people will sit up and take notice of.
feel you have a right to spew your thoughts out to the public in general, JUST AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INFRINGE ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS OR THIER FEELINGS ON "ANY" SUBJECT.
To focus specifically on this statement, what rights of your do I violate by burning a flag? Have I violated your property rights? How about your personal rights? Do you really feel that you have a right to not have your feelings hurt? If I purchase a flag and go burn it, it does not infringe on anyone's rights. Period. You have no standing in this issue.
5 I'm done with this subject. You'll never understand. Just as long as you make your point that's all that counts to you. It's obvious you could give a crap about no one but yourself and your opinions!!!
You were done the minute you started the thread. You have only shown the capacity to speak with emotion. You have used no logic to defend your position that flag burning should be illegal, and if you stop taking it personally, you might see that no one is attacking you personally by burning a flag. You might not agree with their actions, but I'm also sure that there are many things that you disagree with and many actions that you disagree with. Are we to outlaw anything that you personally disagree with? Are we to outlaw anything that you think might hurt your feelings? Of course not. Like I said, I think your rants have been misinformed. Some have even advocated violence. I, however, do not seek to disbar you from your speech as you seem willing to do to all who would burn a flag in protest, even for the most justified purpose.

[valve bouncer]

I think you're all being a bit harsh. I thought altarboy101 made some good points. Especially when he said the priests said I was doing god's work. But why does God's work hurt so much?

[alta01]

And yes they should treat the flag with the respect and burn it after it is old.

And Wearing a bikini or shirt with the flag on it is great and patriotic.

Oh and I definately like patriotic womens swimsuits ESPECIALLY when they are jammed up a womens ass and cooch.

Do you own one MUDGRLL??? If so do you feel PATRIOTIC???

QUOTE=MudGrrl]How 'bout we start hounding the uber-patriotic people who have flags and leave them in the weather for 7 years until they're shredded?

Let's also nail the people who leave their flags out at night and don't put a light on them?

Alta01, do the patriotic type people who have flag bikinis and have them all jammed in their @ss and cooch make you want to cry?[/QUOTE]

[sanjuro]

And yes they should treat the flag with the respect and burn it after it is old.

And Wearing a bikini or shirt with the flag on it is great and patriotic.

Oh and I definately like patriotic womens swimsuits ESPECIALLY when they are jammed up a womens ass and cooch.

Do you own one MUDGRLL??? If so do you feel PATRIOTIC???


Wait, I thought you were all done with this subject? You really have nothing to say...

[BurlyShirley]

ESPECIALLY when they are jammed up a womens ass and cooch.

:rofl:
You suck at life.

[Old Man G Funk]

And yes they should treat the flag with the respect and burn it after it is old.

And Wearing a bikini or shirt with the flag on it is great and patriotic.

Oh and I definately like patriotic womens swimsuits ESPECIALLY when they are jammed up a womens ass and cooch.

Do you own one MUDGRLL??? If so do you feel PATRIOTIC???
So, burning an old flag is OK? I just can't burn a flag when it offends your sensibilities?

[Changleen]

And yes they should treat the flag with the respect and burn it after it is old.

And Wearing a bikini or shirt with the flag on it is great and patriotic.

Oh and I definately like patriotic womens swimsuits ESPECIALLY when they are jammed up a womens ass and cooch.

Do you own one MUDGRLL??? If so do you feel PATRIOTIC???

QUOTE=MudGrrl]How 'bout we start hounding the uber-patriotic people who have flags and leave them in the weather for 7 years until they're shredded?

Let's also nail the people who leave their flags out at night and don't put a light on them?

Alta01, do the patriotic type people who have flag bikinis and have them all jammed in their @ss and cooch make you want to cry?:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: You can't buy this sort of comedy.

[Changleen]

Alta, if the flag is a symbol of America, and you hate it being left out in the rain, then what about the actual America itself? Isn't it MUCH worse that the ACTUAL America gets left out in the rain? Maybe you should do something about that? Build a dome!

[alta01]

Next subject...

So, burning an old flag is OK? I just can't burn a flag when it offends your sensibilities?

[BurlyShirley]

Next subject...
You cant start a "next subject" in the same thread you freaking twat waffle. :rofl:

[alta01]

Hmmm... a dome. That's a good idea. Maybe I'll build one.

As for the rain...doesn't the rain wash away the filth???

I even love the rain when I'm racing...Makes things more dangerous

[alta01]

Twat waffle??? That's as funny as Cheif ball fondler. What's up with that nickname. Wait...I don't want to know...Maybe I'll post another question tomorrow. It won't be about ball fondling, sorry!!

[Old Man G Funk]

Next subject...
What am I twisting? You've got your panties in a knot over burning the flag, but you seem to be fine with it if the flag is old.

Have you got anything substantial to say? Have you got any refutations of what I've argued, or are you simply going to appeal to emotion this entire thread?

[Old Man G Funk]

Anyone else think alta sounds a lot like particlebored or alwaysbroncin?

[Tenchiro]

LOL, Twatwaffle.

:thumb: Approved!

[DaveW]

Anyone else think alta sounds a lot like particlebored or alwaysbroncin?


Was just thinking the same. he/she/it's posting is very similar to the boring particle.
And about the same grasp of reality too! :nopity:

[kidwoo]

twat waffle. :rofl:

Hey that's pretty rad.

PM me your paypal addy so I can send you some royalty money. That is SO getting thrown into my daily woospeak.

[I Are Baboon]

"Twat waffle."

:rofl:

[narlus]

I think you're all being a bit harsh. I thought altarboy101 made some good points. Especially when he said

why oh why have you made me piss myself?

[ukjason]

what ****ing drugs is alta01 on

[HarryCallahan]

:thumb: If the flag buners are beaten up by some crusty gunny sargent, is that ok? I mean, it's just freedom of expression on the gunny's part and all.

OK by me. I think flag burning is offensive, but doesn't need a constitutional amendment. What I'm wondering is if it would qualify as hate speech ???

[Old Man G Funk]

:thumb:

OK by me. I think flag burning is offensive, but doesn't need a constitutional amendment. What I'm wondering is if it would qualify as hate speech ???
What specific group of people are you "hating" by burning a flag?

[BurlyShirley]

What specific group of people are you "hating" by burning a flag?
whites

[Transcend]

What specific group of people are you "hating" by burning a flag?

Whiny bastards with big yellow ribbons on their SUVS and cheney bush bumper stickers. They can also been seen driving pickup trucks with gun racks and a gigantic eagle/flag stickers across their entire back window.

[Tenchiro]

Whiny bastards with big yellow ribbons on their SUVS and cheney bush bumper stickers. They can also been seen driving pickup trucks with gun racks and a gigantic eagle/flag stickers across their entire back window.

Don't forget the disintigrated american flag that has been rotting since 9/11

[Transcend]

Don't forget the disintigrated american flag that has been rotting since 9/11

Right, those annoying side window ones.

[Old Man G Funk]

Right, those annoying side window ones.
And the stickers that have the (illegal) likeness of Calvin peeing on some other car company's logo.

[Ciaran]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Dang, you guys are funny. I should have to pay an entrance fee to this kind of entertainment!

And I'll burn any flag I damn well please and YOU aren't going to tell me otherwise. If you don't like it, too bad, so sad for you. Who do you think YOU are that you can tell me what to do? You're just another moronic human being just like me. You have neither the right nor the intelligence to tell me how I should live so eff you. (Not written to any one specifically, but if it's meant for you, you'll know it.)

[MudGrrl]

Twat waffle.


Awesome!



btw, twat waffle (alta), just in case you didn't already figure it out (as some people have pointed out), this issue is a wedge issue to distract you from the real stuff.

If I burned a flag in front of you, you would probably be more concerned about that than the millions of other things that actually impact your life, wouldn't you?

You would go all foamy at the mouth and start stuttering some sort of jibberish about patriotism and our country and some kind of crap about how people died so I can live free. You would probably crush the little Pabst Blue Ribbon can you were holding because you were so enraged.


And all I did was light up a flag.

Do you get it yet?

[alta01]

Flag Holidays

Independence Day is a flag holiday--one of 17 days specifically designated in the code on which citizens are encouraged to display the flag, if they're not in the habit of doing so daily.

Flag holidays are as follows:

1. New Year's Day - Jan. 1

2. Inauguration Day - Jan. 20

3. Lincoln's Birthday - Feb. 12

4. Washington's Birthday - third Monday in February

5. Easter Sunday - (variable)

6. Mother's Day - second Sunday in May

7. Armed Forces Day - third Saturday in May

8. Memorial Day (half-staff until noon) - last Monday in May

9. Flag Day - June 14

10. Independence Day - July 4

11. Labor Day - first Monday in September

12. Constitution Day - Sept. 17

13. Columbus Day - second Monday in October

14. Navy Day - Oct. 27

15. Veterans Day - Nov. 11

16. Thanksgiving Day - fourth Thursday in November

17. Christmas Day - Dec. 25

The code also urges citizens to display the flag on additional days that are proclaimed by the president of the United States, on days that commemorate the date in which their state was admitted to the union and on specific state holidays.

Manner of Display

The flag should be hoisted briskly at dawn and lowered ceremoniously at dusk. The flag should be displayed at night only if it is lighted dramatically, as from below. To fly the flag at half-staff, raise it briskly to the top of the pole, keep it there for a moment and then lower it to half-staff. Before taking the flag down for the day, return it briefly to the top of the pole.
The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all-weather flag is used.
When the flag is displayed from a staff projecting horizontally or at an angle, the union (the blue rectangle on which stars are embroidered or fastened) should be at the staff's peak, unless the flag is being flown at half-staff.
When displayed horizontally against a wall the union should be to the left of the observer, looking from the street or in the audience. The same holds when a flag is displayed horizontally in a window. When the flag is displayed vertically against a wall, the union is also to the observer's left. Likewise, when a flag is hung vertically in a window.
When displayed directly over a street, the flag is hung vertically, and it is centered in the street with the union aligned with the north or east. In a north/south street, this means the flag is hung across the street with the union on the east side of the street. Conversely, on an east/west street, the union is on the north side of the street.
For visual reference on all of this, visit the American Legion Web site (www.legion.org).
Prohibitions

Never use the flag for advertising purposes, as drapery, linens or as clothing, or print it on items soon to be discarded--napkins and paper plates, for example. It should not be used as part of a uniform--athletic or otherwise, unless you are a member of the military, a patriotic organization, police force, fire department or rescue/ambulance squad.
Never attach a flag directly to a vehicle or drape it over a vehicle. Instead, the flag should be attached to a staff secured to a vehicle's chassis or to the right front fender. The flag should be displayed on floats in a similar manner. When bunting is used for patriotic display instead of a flag, the colors are arranged from top to bottom: blue, white and red.
Never display the flag in a manner in which it is easily damaged or with it touching the ground.
Never display the flag upside down--as this is a distress signal.
In Patriotic Observance

In unabashedly old-fashioned and refreshingly blunt language the code calls on all those present to recognize the flag when it passes as part of a holiday parade:

Stand.
Place your right hand over your heart. And in particular, the code says: "Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart." Military personnel in uniform should "render the military salute."
Flowers and Other Patriotic Facts

Suppose you were to give someone flowers, and you wanted to be patriotic about it. Which flower should you choose? The rose is designated as the National Floral Emblem. Although no color is specified in the code, our choice would be a dark red type, such as the hybrid tea rose, Mr. Lincoln.

If you were to utter our national motto, what would you say? It would be, "In God we trust."

And if the heat weren't too great, and you were roused to march, what tune should you march to? The National March is "Stars And Stripes Forever," by John Philip Sousa.



Twat waffle.


Awesome!



btw, twat waffle (alta), just in case you didn't already figure it out (as some people have pointed out), this issue is a wedge issue to distract you from the real stuff.

If I burned a flag in front of you, you would probably be more concerned about that than the millions of other things that actually impact your life, wouldn't you?

You would go all foamy at the mouth and start stuttering some sort of jibberish about patriotism and our country and some kind of crap about how people died so I can live free. You would probably crush the little Pabst Blue Ribbon can you were holding because you were so enraged.


And all I did was light up a flag.

Do you get it yet?

[alta01]

It's never to early!!!

Don't get it stuffed up your "twat waffle".

Hey, tell me what's the real issues hear. Enlighten me!!

Twat waffle.


Awesome!



btw, twat waffle (alta), just in case you didn't already figure it out (as some people have pointed out), this issue is a wedge issue to distract you from the real stuff.

If I burned a flag in front of you, you would probably be more concerned about that than the millions of other things that actually impact your life, wouldn't you?

You would go all foamy at the mouth and start stuttering some sort of jibberish about patriotism and our country and some kind of crap about how people died so I can live free. You would probably crush the little Pabst Blue Ribbon can you were holding because you were so enraged.


And all I did was light up a flag.

Do you get it yet?

[narlus]

hey alta, i got yr flag right here:
http://www.brewberg.com/Rainbow_flag_1024_768.jpg

[noname]

^^^^http://www.justblowme.com/images/smilies/boogie.gif

[DaveW]

hey alta, i got yr flag right here:



Approved!!!! :thumb::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[DRB]

Enquiring minds want to know....

alta01 = OMGF ???

[Old Man G Funk]

Enquiring minds want to know....

alta01 = OMGF ???
Hey, no need to be insulting.

[Old Man G Funk]

Independence Day is a flag holiday--one of 17 days specifically designated in the code on which citizens are encouraged to display the flag, if they're not in the habit of doing so daily.

Manner of Display

The flag should be hoisted briskly at dawn and lowered ceremoniously at dusk. The flag should be displayed at night only if it is lighted dramatically, as from below. <snip>
(All emphasis mine and snipped for brevity.)

Besides the fact that this doesn't really have anything to do with flag burning, notice anything about the words I highlighted? They do not mandate. People have the freedom to follow this code or not. We do not enforce patriotism in this country. People also have the right to burn the flag or not, and you would rather take that right away than have your feelings hurt. Once again, it's sad.

[DRB]

Hey, no need to be insulting.

Either that or alta01 has a crush on mudgrrl......

[MudGrrl]

uhm, no, OMGF is definitely not alta



ooh! Pics!

http://www.political-news.org/images/full_size/us-house-passes-resolution-seeking-to-outlaw-flag-burning.jpg

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols2/flag.burning.jpg

http://www.eatonvillenews.net/images/Bob/AMERICAN%20LEGION%20FLAG%20BURNING%20(OP%202)%20JU NE%2014,%202005%20030.jpg

http://www.eatonvillenews.net/images/Bob/AMERICAN%20LEGION%20FLAGS%20GROUP%20(OP%202)%20BOB %20JUNE%2014,%202005%20037.jpg

http://www.eatonvillenews.net/images/Bob/AMERICAN%20LEGION%20FLAG%20BURNING%20FLAGS%20IN%20 FLAME%20(OP%202)%20JUNE%2014,%202005%20040.jpg



http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/tr/2005/tr050627.gif

[MudGrrl]

Either that or alta01 has a crush on mudgrrl......

hmmmm,
alta does seem to be preoccupied with me in a bikini........
:think:

[Old Man G Funk]

Either that or alta01 has a crush on mudgrrl......
I don't call people "honey" a la comment #32.

[DRB]

I'm just saying.......

[Old Man G Funk]

I'm just saying.......
I know, but I don't think I could dumb myself down that much, even in parody.

[DRB]

I know, but I don't think I could dumb myself down that much, even in parody.

Really? Is that what you think? Okay if you say so.







too easy

[fluff]

Really? Is that what you think? Okay if you say so.

too easy
I see you find it only too easy...:love:

[DRB]

I see you find it only too easy...:love:

I haven't found it easy in the last 13 years.

[Old Man G Funk]

http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/tr/2005/tr050627.gif
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tr/2006/tr060703.gif

[Upgr8r]

Flag Holidays

Independence Day is a flag holiday--one of 17 days specifically designated in the code on which citizens are encouraged to display the flag, if they're not in the habit of doing so daily.

Never use the flag for advertising purposes, as drapery, linens or as clothing, or print it on items soon to be discarded--napkins and paper plates, for example. It should not be used as part of a uniform--athletic or otherwise, unless you are a member of the military, a patriotic organization, police force, fire department or rescue/ambulance squad.

ALta, how can you disgrace the flag by admiring it printed on clothing, even if it IS on a bikini worn my Mudgrrl. I thought you were a patrotic American. How can I ever put stock in your posts again.

[Changleen]

I think I might change my avatar...

[fluff]

Well this is an example of how precious we English are with our flag:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5140912.stm

[MMike]

When this issue was discussed on the Daily Show, the title of the segment was "Flaming Flaggotry"...

[DRB]

I think I might change my avatar...

To Mudgrrl in an American flag bikini?

[MMike]

To Mudgrrl in an American flag bikini?

...that is on fire?

[fluff]

...that is on fire?
That would bring a new meaning to "hot" (in the context of bikinis, obviously)

[ukjason]

Well this is an example of how precious we English are with our flag:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5140912.stm

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: