Iran Reality

[Changleen]

I saw this today and I thought it was probably quite a good summary of the actual situation now - This is a quote by a member of the IAEA team who is working on the Iran situation, so he is quite close to the problem:

"The fixation of the West, especially Washington, on ‘denying’ Iran enrichment capability is a stupid policy and a failure proven by the fact that Iran has now achieved it,”

“There is little doubt Iran aspires eventually to be able to enrich uranium to the high level needed for a bomb. But the only way to deter that is security and trade guarantees and only the Americans can offer that, via direct talks.”

Surely the Bush administration are aware of this reality. The question is now for you all is:

Do you believe the Bush administration is genuinely looking for a peaceful solution to the Iran situation?

[skinny mike]

well with the bush administration running the situation im considering converting my pool to a bomb shelter.

[jimmydean]

Consider the source. War makes money and Iran said that if we attack them, they will attack someone else. So what's to loose?

[fluff]

Consider the source. War makes money and Iran said that if we attack them, they will attack someone else. So what's to loose?
Dude, war wastes money. Not to mention lives.

[DaveW]

Consider the source. War makes money and Iran said that if we attack them, they will attack someone else. So what's to loose?

Strange I thought they said they would attack AMERICA and american interests world wide? :confused:

[DaveW]

Consider the source. War makes money and Iran said that if we attack them, they will attack someone else. So what's to loose?


Pretty arrogant statement... Lets go murder some folks... They cant do anything to us. :nopity:

whats to lose?
Respect,
morals,
humanity,
sanity?
:clue:

[jimmydean]

Pretty arrogant statement... Lets go murder some folks... They cant do anything to us. :nopity:

whats to lose?
Respect,
morals,
humanity,
sanity?
:clue:

Sarcasm:
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Sarcasm is sneering, jesting, or mocking a person, situation or thing. It is often used in a humorous or ironic manner and is expressed through vocal intonations such as over-emphasizing the actual statement or particular words.

[N8]

A War economy is a booming economy!

[The Amish]

.................and a good iranian is a dead one!

[bjanga]

I think that the US should dump $$$ into education instead of the war machine.

[fluff]

A War economy is a booming economy!
Good to see you looking at the big picture once again.

[Changleen]

Strange I thought they said they would attack AMERICA and american interests world wide? :confused:They more recently said they would retaliate against Israel if America attacked.

[DaveW]

Ahh ok gottcha now :)

[bigdrop05]

They more recently said they would retaliate against Israel if America attacked.

So,if the US attacked we would be killing Iranians & Jews .

gnurider1080: Making your pool into a bomb shelter is a perfect idea !:cool:

When is WW3 ?

[Changleen]

So,if the US attacked we would be killing Iranians & Jews .

gnurider1080: Making your pool into a bomb shelter is a perfect idea !:cool:

When is WW3 ?Just before the midterm elections probably.

[DaveW]

They more recently said they would retaliate against Israel if America attacked.

Interesting....... (http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=33348)

[fluff]

Interesting....... (http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=33348)
It is interesting and fits with many other things I've been reading recently.

[Changleen]

More:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3255532,00.html

[DaveW]

I thought this a fitting place to post this up give the poll on pg 1 of the thread....US President George W. Bush's administration turned down a 2003 Iranian offer to begin talks with the US, recognize Israel, and end support of Palestinian terror organizations (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150355517833&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull) :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

[DaveW]

Oooh and another interesting bit of info....

In 2005, Mohammad El Baradei was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his outstanding work in the international control of nuclear weapons. In 2003, El Baradei had proposed a verifiable ban on the production of weapons grade fissile material - a positive move that would severely limit the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

In a vote of the Disarmament Committee of the United Nations (UN), one and only one nation voted against El Baradei's proposal - George Bush's America. In that same vote, Israel abstained, apparently fearing international interference with their own outlaw nuclear weapons programme, and Britain abstained in an act of diplomatic fealty to the 'special relationship' between Tony Blair and George Bush. The final tally was 147 nations to one with the two abstentions. In a later vote of the entire UN General Assembly, Israel and Britain abstained, while America and Palau voted against El Baradei's verifiable ban on fission, and 179 nations voted in favor of his proposal. The final vote on that occasion was 179 in favor, 2 opposed (US and Palau) and 2 abstentions (Israel and Britain). (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13704.htm)

[DaveW]

And of course who could trust a govenment on Nukes when they employ guys like this! (http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html?siteSect=105&sid=1648385)

[fluff]

Who the hell are Palau?

[luelling]

Good to see you looking at the big picture once again.
Depending on the type of war it can be good for the economy, especially in the long run....look at WWII and the golden fifties. I think a gurilla war, which isn't all out warfare and can be hard to win, is a drain on the economy.

[DaveW]

Who the hell are Palau?


The USA's 2nd vote/yes men in most international body's (have always voted as their former colonial masters the yanks request them to at the UN).
Much like NZ has the Niue and cook Islands as quasi NZ territory in the pacific.

[sanjuro]

I saw this today and I thought it was probably quite a good summary of the actual situation now - This is a quote by a member of the IAEA team who is working on the Iran situation, so he is quite close to the problem:

Surely the Bush administration are aware of this reality. The question is now for you all is:

Do you believe the Bush administration is genuinely looking for a peaceful solution to the Iran situation?

And what's a peaceful solution, acceding to a maniacial goverment because they have "The Bomb"?

Or maybe the Holocaust is a myth, according to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Israel should be moved to Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska?

[ALEXIS_DH]

And what's a peaceful solution, acceding to a maniacial goverment because they have "The Bomb"?

Or maybe the Holocaust is a myth, according to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Israel should be moved to Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska?

to be simplistic.
in 1945, the jews should have gotten bremen and the german pomerania, and then half whatever the surviving germans owned.

[DaveW]

Or maybe the Holocaust is a myth, according to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Israel should be moved to Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska?


*Sigh* No that is NOT what he said.... Go the myth/propaganda machine. :nopity:

Have a read (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm)

[Changleen]

Yes, It's sickening really isn't it? How can we expect people to form rational opinions when they are lied to about the 'problem'?

[sanjuro]

BTW, how many English and New Zealand hostages were held in 1980?

[DaveW]

heh We weren't stupid enough to piss them off in the first place. ;)
So none, our embassy was untouched.

[H8R]

A War economy is a booming economy!

Pun REJECTED.


:nuts:

[sanjuro]

*Sigh* No that is NOT what he said.... Go the myth/propaganda machine. :nopity:

Have a read (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm)
Sounds like quite a lie. I found this piece from the very pro-American website, Aljazeera. Maybe there was a translation issue...

Ahmadinejad: Holocaust a myth
by
Wednesday 14 December 2005 8:45 AM GMT

Ahmadinejad has caused outrage in Washington and Jerusalem

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, has again caused international outcry by repeating his view that the Holocaust was a myth.

In a speech broadcast live on state television on Wednesday, Ahmadinejad told a crowd in the southern city of Zahedan: "They have fabricated a legend under the name Massacre of the Jews, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves.

"If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream."

Responding to the comments, Israel urged the international community to "open its eyes" to the Iranian regime and its nuclear programme.

Mark Regev, spokesman for the Foreign Ministry, said: "We hope these extremist comments by the Iranian president will make the international community open its eyes and abandon any illusions about this regime."

"The comments are wholly unacceptable and we condemn them unreservedly"

Douglas Alexander,
UK minister for Europe
The European Union also added its condemnation, with Douglas Alexander, Britain's minister for Europe, saying the comments had no place in international debate.

"The comments are wholly unacceptable and we condemn them unreservedly. They have no place in civilised political debate," said Alexander, whose country currently holds the EU presidency.

Speaking in Strasbourg to the applause of European parliamentarians, he said that "the presidency has been unequivocal in its condemnation of the comments attributed to President Ahmadinejad of Iran".

'Off the map'

The Iranian leader's comments come days after his inflammatory statements that the state of Israel should be moved to Europe.

The president, who said in October that Israel must be "wiped off the map", said last week that if Germany and Austria believed that Jews were massacred during the second world war, a state of Israel should be established on their soil.

He was being interviewed on Al-Alam, an Iranian state satellite channel while in Makka, Saudi Arabia, where he was attending a summit of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference.

The remarks drew criticism from the UN, the UK and Germany, among others.

Ahmadinejad was elected as successor to Mohammed Khatami in June, and has caused concern for some in the West with his hardline rhetoric.

Aljazeera + Agencies

[sanjuro]

Hey, if the argument is that Bush is f*cking up, I am the first to raise his hand. But to say, lets give in to Iran because they have the bomb, then why don't we give in to North Korea next?

[Changleen]

I thought you already gave in to NK? Also Iran don't have the Bomb. Yet.

[sanjuro]

I thought you already gave in to NK? Also Iran don't have the Bomb. Yet.
To be frank, I believe NK and SK are just going to make up. I believe there is an unified Olympic team come 2008.

However, concessions to Iran could possibly mean the death knell to Israel.

[Changleen]

To be frank, I believe NK and SK are just going to make up. I believe there is an unified Olympic team come 2008.Maybe. There seems to be a new propaganda war brewing now though to take American eyes off Iraq and Iran. That could screw it all up.

However, concessions to Iran could possibly mean the death knell to Israel.Highly unlikely. Israel would pwn Iran if it came to it. And also I think concessions are more likely to mean Iran becomes less bellicose, not more. Iran have consistantly displayed aggression in the face of aggression. If you leave them alone, they are largely happy to do the same.

Edited for spulling urrerzs.

[sanjuro]

Maybe. There seems to be a new propaganda war brewing now though to take American eyes off Iraq and Iran. That could screw it all up.

Highly unlikely. Israel would pwn Iran if it came to it. And also I think concessions are more likely to mean Iran becomes less belicose, not more. Iran have consistantly displayed agresson in the face of aggression. If you leave them alone, they are largely happy to do the same.
In a straight out fight, Israel wins every time. But one bomb makes all the difference, and Iran may not care that Israel is packing too...

[bjanga]

Changleen, you spelled bellicose wrong. I have lose respect for you. Go and consume Bud select.

If Iran is going to make Israel go away, will other countries not get all hot and bothered besides the US? Seems like right now the US is the loudest.

[Changleen]

****, you're right. I spelt aggression wrong too. I should slow down a bit.

[sanjuro]

If Iran is going to make Israel go away, will other countries not get all hot and bothered besides the US? Seems like right now the US is the loudest.
And who is going to lead the coalition forces to defend/take back Israel, France? Russia? China?

[bjanga]

I guess I was trying to articulate that all the countries need to pull their weight, and perhaps *ideally* what other countries are doing about various issues could serve as a general barometer and tell us how wacked out our government is.

Crap, I missed my 666 beast post :clue: