VPP not pedaling well

[TheMontashu]

I had a conversation with a friend about suspention design and he INSISTED that the VPP does not pedal well past 10 MPH, has any one else heard this wo be true?

And as well he insisted that ALL suspention designs have as much brake jack as a single pivot have any of you heard this to be true?

[IronJim]

tell your friend that hes an idiot

[Bicyclist]

Worst......thread........ever.

[iridebikes]

I'd highly suggest going to this same friend with every other bike problem you have... He'll get you killed

[thaflyinfatman]

Pedalling performance is for the most part unrelated to speed (ie until air resistance becomes substantial), and your mate has got NFI about suspension.

[skatetokil]

tell him to do a blind comparison. somebody will run over him at a full sprint on a vp free and then at a full sprint on a bullit and he can judge for himself.

[eater]

on a vpp system the firsr 1/4 of suspension, the rear triangle go back and than up! if the rear triangle go back, than the chain wont longer. result brake jack "minimal" you cant feel it if you stay on the bike...
tell your friend, maybe walking is better for him, but not jogging otherwise the knees hafe a brakejack!

[bomberboy11]

People seem to easily get the impression that VPP bikes have a really rearward axle path in the very first part of the stroke. It's actually very nearly vertical, even moreso than most FSR designs. The rear triangle moves up and rotates forwards fairly quickly to keep the axle going up instead of dramatically backwards. Most VPP's look like they should move the axle backwards in the first bit of the stroke since the lower link is usually pointed down fairly steeply, but if you map it out it doesn't move back a very significant amount like a high single pivot would.

[J5ive]

I felt my blur 4x pedaled pretty average. So much so that I sold it within a month. The turner rail I owned before hand with a much cheaper rear shock seamed to get up and go a lot quicker? I also felt that the rail was much more predictable in its action, I was never sure how the vpp was going to react to certain things. Would have got used to I guess?

[dhkid]

j5ive, you prolly had the worng amount of sag. the short travel vpps have a very small sweet spot. what i find i dont like about the short travel vpps is that is stiffens up too much. not reactiing to the ground.

the montashu, as you can prolly see now your friends is a total idiot.

[dhkid]

People seem to easily get the impression that VPP bikes have a really rearward axle path in the very first part of the stroke. It's actually very nearly vertical, even moreso than most FSR designs. The rear triangle moves up and rotates forwards fairly quickly to keep the axle going up instead of dramatically backwards. Most VPP's look like they should move the axle backwards in the first bit of the stroke since the lower link is usually pointed down fairly steeply, but if you map it out it doesn't move back a very significant amount like a high single pivot would.
backwards and vertical at the same time?:confused:

[mandown]

I had a conversation with a friend...

was this conversation with The Fagvang?

[MadDHer]

I've ridden the V10, and it seems quite efficient, but not THE absolute best.
My weapon of choice is the Sunday, I believe it's the most efficient bike out there, but still needs some tricks to get it working right.
I weight 140 lbs, and because I am racing, I put a 600lbs spring on, and the bike pedals amazingly! Maybe you should do the same trick with your V10 and it would start working better.

[dante]

My weapon of choice is the Sunday, I believe it's the most efficient bike out there, but still needs some tricks to get it working right.
I weight 140 lbs, and because I am racing, I put a 600lbs spring on, and the bike pedals amazingly! Maybe you should do the same trick with your V10 and it would start working better.

:hot:

you just made baby Jesus cry...

[solar]

I've ridden the V10, and it seems quite efficient, but not THE absolute best.
My weapon of choice is the Sunday, I believe it's the most efficient bike out there, but still needs some tricks to get it working right.
I weight 140 lbs, and because I am racing, I put a 600lbs spring on, and the bike pedals amazingly! Maybe you should do the same trick with your V10 and it would start working better.

WTF? What are you racing, crits?:rolleyes:

[mandown]

I put a 600lbs spring on, and the bike pedals amazingly!

most hard tails do.

[old ol]

j5ive, you prolly had the worng amount of sag. the short travel vpps have a very small sweet spot. what i find i dont like about the short travel vpps is that is stiffens up too much. not reactiing to the ground.

the montashu, as you can prolly see now your friends is a total idiot.

Would the 6.6 be considerd a short travel vpps? Im planning on buying one pretty soon, but your post kinda put me off! Does the feel of the 6.6 stiffen up like you said?

[OGRipper]

This thread hurts.

But as long as ya'll ride your bikes it don't matter to me - go for it. Even that 140 lb dude with the 600 lb spring.

[The Kadvang]

was this conversation with The Fagvang?

Shuttup bitch. I own you.

[mandown]

Shuttup bitch. I own you.

i think you got that backwards, son.

http://usera.imagecave.com/mandown/OWNED2.bmp.jpg

[sanjuro]

Santa Cruz called the shop. They want their V-10 back.

[TheMontashu]

Santa Cruz called the shop. They want their V-10 back.
Funny, cause I got a call from a big black guy saying he wants his bitch back, better hurry up.

[luelling]

I had a conversation with a friend about suspention design and he INSISTED that the VPP does not pedal well past 10 MPH, has any one else heard this wo be true?

And as well he insisted that ALL suspention designs have as much brake jack as a single pivot have any of you heard this to be true?

When I first got my M3 I was really disappointed becuase it pedaled like sh**. I spent a while on the phone and went thru several people (Intense CS is crap...bunch of mo's sitting around drinking) and finally someone was able to tell me how to set the suspension up. If you have too much OR to little sag it pedals like crap. For their frame I needed between 35-40% of the travel sag'd.....I made the change and it pedaled a lot better after that. As far as VPP not being the best peddler I agree...I always thought the I-Drive pedals waaaaaaaay better.

[dhkid]

Would the 6.6 be considerd a short travel vpps? Im planning on buying one pretty soon, but your post kinda put me off! Does the feel of the 6.6 stiffen up like you said?
only the blurs/spiders do that. and dont get me wrong, its still a good thing, you will accelrate like a hard tail. its just that i myself like xc bikes that stay fully active. like the ellsworth truth.
dont worry, the 6.6 is a sweet ride.