The Hardtail 'Frames and Geometry' thread

[Changleen]

OK, After all the discussion of which frame is most like this or that and lots of questions about what'smost like this or that, I thought it'd be really nice to have a thread with details of all the frame geometries and details of hardtails, BMXs and cruisers.

Basically the idea of the thread is this:

To collect posts each containing an image and geometry of as many hardtail Dirtjump, 4X, BMX, cruiser, freeride and street frames as possible.

People who ride these sort of bikes are more likely than not to change out parts and forks and everything on their bikes so tyhe most useful thing for everyone is details about the frames themselves. Please ignore details about components unless they are frame specific in some way.

Each post should contain a nice side-on image of the frame or complete bike in question along with the following basic details about the frame. Head angle, top tube length and chainstay length and MSRP as a basic minimum please, (all dimensions in inches please - use google to convert) and any other details would be great, especially frame weight.

I'll trawl the net when I have the time and inclination and add to this, but please post frames you like or own with the details of geometry. Remeber it's kinda pointless to post without the geometry and a nice square straight side-on image of the frame so people can see what the angles really look like.

If you have more details about a frame already posted, please PM the original poster of the frame in question and ask them to edit their original post to add more detail rather than reposting it!

It'd be great if a Mod for this forum could make this sticky, please!

Post away!

[Changleen]

P3 2006 - Head Angle 69 degrees, 15.7" chainstay, Top tube 21.25" or 23.5"

http://www.specialized.com/OA_MEDIA/2006/bikes/06P3_brz_l.jpg

[Changleen]

2006 Norco 416 - Head Angle 70.5 degrees, 15.9" Chainstay, 22.4" Toptube.

http://www.norco.com/ts/pass/images/bikes06_large/416_blue.jpg

[Changleen]

2006 GT Ruckus DJ - Head angle 69-68 degrees, 16.14" Chainstay, 22.4" Top tube

http://www.gtbicycles.com/sa/uploads/catalog/lg_20.53.G6_GLBL_RUCKUSDJ_SIL.jpg

[Changleen]

Revel 250R - 72 degree head angle, 15.75 -14.5" chainstay, 21" top tube.

http://changleen.googlepages.com/Revell_250R_3.jpg/Revell_250R_3-full.jpg

[Changleen]

.243 Racing - 69 degree head angle, 15.1 - 16.7" Chainstay, 22.7 Top tube.

http://www.twofortythree.com/html/bikeproduct06/layoutimages/slfrm_out.jpg

[Changleen]

2006 Giant STP - 69 Degreehead angle, 16" Chainstay, 22.1 - 23" Toptube.

http://www.giant-bicycle.com/images/_upload_us/bikes/models/zooms/2005/STP_final.jpg

[Changleen]

2005 S+M 24" Cruiser Frame - The RV

Top Tube Lengths: 21.5"
BB Height: 12"
Chainstay Range: 15.5" - 16.375"
Head Angle: 73 degrees
Seat Angle: 70.5 degrees
Weight: 5 Pounds 4 Ounces (2380 Grams)
Headtube: Integrated
Bottom Bracket: Euro

Crappy image:

http://www.jrbicycles.com/SMRVFrame.jpg

http://www.alansbmx.com/images/frames/s&m/rv-24.jpg

[Changleen]

2003 GT Moto

Top tube length 22.5"
71° head angle (Altered to 69 in '04)
16.5" chainstay

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/Biff_Webster/100_1975.jpg

[Tetreault]

http://gallery.mtbr.com/data/mtbr/517/275873/DSCN2888.jpg

dobermann pincher,molosse, and MBF frame geo
69* head angle - 71* seat angle - 21.5 or 22.5 toptube - 15.35 to 16.15 inch chainstays

[Stoked]

bmw park bike

70 degree head angle, 71 degree seat angle
22.125” top tube length
15.25” – 16” chainstay length
13.5” BB height, 68mm BMX BB shell

http://get-dirty.net/gallery/albums/Tims-ish/DSCN1131.jpg

[Bicyclist]

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/4263/dscn05536gp.jpg

Evil DOC, regular

Headtube angle
68 with 4" fork

Headtube length
4.5"

Headtube size
1 1/8"

BB height 24" wheels
12"

BB height 26" wheels
13"

BB shell
68mm

Chainstay length
15.75 - 16.4"

Toptube length
23.15" Reg.

Toptube length
24.15" Long

Seattube angle
70

Seat Tube Length
15.25"

Seat Post size
31.6mm

Front derailleur
34.9mm

Weight
6.1 lbs

*These numbers don't look good on paper but w/ a 3" fork it steepens it out and lowers the BB so it rides really nice.

EDIT: Also, Evil must have been high when they measured the TT. Go for the Reg for DJ/street or the Long if you ride trails/are an ogre.

EDIT # 2: $450 MSRP but can be had for $400 shipped from online retailers.

[14psisupra]

ironhorse porter pro

Frame size: 14"
Actual Top Tube: 22"
Effective Top Tube: 23"
Head Angle: 70 degrees
Seat Angle: 73 degrees
Chain Stay Length: 16.1"
Wheel Base: 41.8"

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c20/14psisupra/porter009.jpg

[bjanga]

I think it may also be useful if we could include a link to the company's website, and (if you have personal experience with this) if full seat extension for climbing is possible.

First off, this is pretty cool and/or off-topic:
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113828&highlight=burly+hardtails

*****The voodoo shango:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8968/shangolg8xj.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1566/img101719ax.jpg

http://www.voodoocycles.net/shango.htm

see page 206 / post 3077 in the burly hardtail thread (DH forum) for offtheedge's shango:
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10689&page=206

unrealcycles has the shango for cheap:
http://www.unrealcycles.com/item.php?view=58

*****The voodoo bakka:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2808/bakkalg3jd.jpg

http://www.voodoocycles.net/bakka.htm

BOTH of these voodoo frames have cool sliding vertical dropout systems to allow for a geared or singlespeed disc setup.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8514/geo9yq.jpg



*****Woodman d-ml and d-s frames:

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2730/img083411dv.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7554/img084013tc.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2235/img098915mg.jpg

http://www.woodmancomponents.com/products/framesets/d-ml.html

http://www.unrealcycles.com/catalog.php?cat=Frames&com=Woodman

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8287/drdmlb8no.jpg

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/613/drdsb1hb.jpg



I have not ridden any of these bikes in this post.

[bjanga]

Evil must have been high when they measured the TT.
Well, an effective top tube measurement is going to be longer than the actual TT measurement, because the top tube effectively gets longer as the seatpost is extended.

[mistaare]

ABOUT TIME. :-)

i just spend months gathering this info. you guys are forgeting the EVIL sovereign.

with 100mm fork
headtube - 70
BB - 12.7
chainstay - 15.5-17"
wheelbase - 40.7"
toptube reg. - 23.16" (long - 24.16")
seattube - 71
6.1 lb's

[dooktruck]

Size (Measured From Center Of Bottom Bracket To Top Of Seat Tube) 14.5" 16.5"
Recommended Fork Length 80-100mm 80-100mm
Head Angle 69 69
Headset 1 1/8 1 1/8
Seat Angle 71 71
Seatpost Size 27.2mm 27.2mm
Top Tube Length Measured Center To Center 21.3" 22.4"
Wheelbase 1043mm 1075mm
Chainstay Length 419mm 419mm
Bottom Bracket Width 73mm 73mm
Bottom Bracket Height 12.5" 12.5"
Disc Brake Mount Spacing 51mm IS 51mm IS
Rear Axle Spacing 135mm 135mm
Rear Axle Diameter 10mm 10mm
Maximum Tire Clearance 2.5+ 2.5+
Standover At Midsection Of Top Tube And Forward Of Seat Tube 27" 25" 29" 27"
Weight 4lbs 13oz 5lbs

[fiddy_ryder]

my T.O.P. is on its way!

[W4S]

my T.O.P. is on its way!

Keep the thread on subject, B! Stoked for you.

GEOMETRY (483.6mm axle-crown)
Regular Long
Top Tube (Effective) 22.12" 23.75"
Top Tube (Actual) 21.5" 23.0"
Seat Tube (center to top) 13" 13"
Head Tube Angle 69° 69°
Seat Tube Angle 70° 70°
ChainStay Length 16.1" - 17.0" 16.1" - 17.0"
Bottom Bracket Height 12.7" 12.7"
Wheelbase 41" - 41.9" 42.7" - 43.6"
Head Tube Length 4.725" 4.725"
Max Rear Tire Clearance 26" x 2.7" 26" x 2.7"
Rear Hub Spacing 135mm 135mm
Rear Dropout Axle Size 10mm 10mm
Head Tube 1.125" 1.125"
BB Shell Width 73mm 73mm


http://www.transitionbikes.com/images/TrailorPark_WebLarge.jpg

[AN6 Freerider]

damn that woodman is nice that d-s is sick..

[CreeP]

well, the most important measurements to me -as a bit of a bike designer myself- are: front center, cs length, bb-centertop of headtube, and the angle of that line, and of course head angle and bb height. Those weird ones i just mentioned really tell you how the bike will fit. TT length really is bs, especially since there are so many variations in HA and STA. If you have a very upright style and want some cockpit room forward you could easily end up with the wrong feel, and a seat so far from your knees, if you go solely by toptube length simply because the seattube angle has such an effect on tt length.

So for my Peyto: 420mm fork
front center: 24"
bb-ctht 650mm
400mm cs 388 slammed
actual tt 21.5
bb height 320mm
HA: 72
SA: 73
(a similar Peyto these days will cost you between 900 and 1400 depending on joining method and tube selection and extra features)
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album133/peyto.jpg

ride report -um Awesome? it's a bit of a cliché now but it feels like a bmx, i chalk that up to the two piece bar, bmx stem and thick guage straight leg fork though mostly. The frame is pretty light too, at just under 5lbs. This is actually kind of useless as Paul doesn't really even have a starting point geometry, he does a geometry with you from scratch; which means if you don't get the right geometry it's pretty much your fault for not helping him understand your needs.

[boostindoubles]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/fromthearth/P1010160.jpg

Simple Bike co. '509' frame with optional horizontal dropouts.

h/t 69*
s/t 70*
c/s 15.25"
top tube long frame 22.75"
stand 14.5"

frame price- $600.00
--------------------

How does the disc brake work out with the horizontal drops? Is the brake mount adjustable?There is a considerable range of motion for the wheel you can get away with on a fixed disk mount, I guess about 1.5", after which the rotor starts to rub on the housing of the caliper.

With most brakes however, this can be got around with a little filling. I can move my wheel on my Revell through nearly the entire range of the horizontal dropout by removing about 1mm of material from my XT caliper.

On the simple it looks like the range is pretty short (very sexy looking bike by the way) so it's probably all good.
--------------------------

[boostindoubles]

How does the disc brake work out with the horizontal drops? Is the brake mount adjustable?

considering this was the first 509 frame with horizontals, i have had zero issues. The mounts are not adjustable. I just throw my wheel in, tension the chain, and tighten it down. Been riding this frame for 3 months and its been working flawless

[spacemanspiff06]

Top tube- 22.6
chainstays- 16.5
BB height- 12
HA- 72? (i think this is with a ridged fork)
wheel base- 41.4
STA- 70

edit: damn apples, i can't post a foto!

[scurban]

Tonic Fall Guy
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/774198/

The Fall Guy is designed around 24" wheels, a 14mm axle BMX hub, and a euro bottom bracket. It is important to note the Fall Guy handles correctly with a Manitou Sherman or Stance 80mm fork. These forks feature a significantly lower axle to crown measurement (455mm) compared to even the 24" specific Marzocchi (468mm). We strongly recommend riding the bike with one of these forks, or something equally low. Minimum chain stay length is 14.75". Short. Low bars and a 71 head tube angle keep enough weight over the front wheel for balance and BMX like leverage on the bike. Size 10 shoes with 175mm cranks have plenty of x-up and bar spin clearance with the front wheel.
Every detail on the Fall Guy was sweated so that it would be sufficiently strong, surprisingly light, and especially clean looking. We were tempted to simply use BMX style drop-outs and tube diameters, but this approach wouldn’t have satisfied us, as we knew there was room for improvement. You will find the 1" chainstay and seatstay tubing results in a very stiff rear triangle and a firm feel at the brake lever. Each drop-out consists of two laser-cut parts which form an extremely strong and clean looking joint. The unique laser-cut and formed chainstay yoke ties the chain stays together and provides ample tire clearance in a traditionally tight area. The Fall Guy’s thin, laser-cut top and down tube gussets are pleasing to look at, and strengthen this critical area while minimizing stress concentrations.
Do you require 24/26 compatibility, disc brakes, huge gussets, a derailleur, a chain guide and 3-7" fork geometry? Plenty of great bikes like this.
However, when all you need for a good time is a clean looking bike with dialed geometry and reliable components, consider the Fall Guy.


Specs (with 80mm Manitou Sherman)


Material: Full Aircraft Certified 4130 cro-moly.


HT angle: 71 (steep enough to get some weight over the front wheel,slack enough for confidence.)


ST angle: 71 (Perfect for grabbing seat with knees.)


CS length (front of drop-outs): 14.75"


TT length: along the TT, 21.9" BMX way to size the bike, and as absolutely irrelevant as any other way these bikes are measured. You’ll get used to it. I’m 6' tall and love it.


BB Height: 12.375" with Kenda K-Rad 2.3's. Curious name, bitchin’ tire. DMR Moto is hot too.


Seat post size: 26.8.


Rear hub requirements: Any 14mm, BMX hub will work. LSD, or conventional.


Brakes: V-brake only.


BB: 68mm Euro.

Price: $550...... and worth every Penny!

[dw]

EDIT: Also, Evil must have been high when they measured the TT. Go for the Reg for DJ/street or the Long if you ride trails/are an ogre.

The top tube lengths are virtual. Measured from the center of the head tube to the seat tube axis parallel to the ground....

[jacksonpt]

This thread is great for people like myself who are in the market... Thanks for the good info everyone. Could I ask that in future posts in this thread people add MSRP to their post?

[Bicyclist]

Thanks for the sticky. :thumb:

[fiddy_ryder]

ToP ride report:

got 'er built up... awesome damn bike for the price $439 msrp. Build is mucho quality. Clean welds and quality paint. Only wish was that it came with chain tugs. It does have a bit slack HA for dedicated jumper, but it is a do it all bike. Short seat tube is perfect length. I can run a full lenght seat post and still get enough leg extension to do some serious pedaling. This may not work for anyone over 6'. Running a uturn pike, makes this bike a great all-arounder.


I give it :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: outta 5


B

[Changleen]

NOTE:

Everyone: Can you add ride reports, etc, to post about the bike in question please, rather than making a new post?

Secondly, can you delete any off topic posts you migh have made please, or add the contents to a relevant bike post? I just want to try and keep this clean.

I've deleted my extraneous posts now, except for this one which I will delete in a few days.

Cheers! :)

[Changleen]

24 Bicycles - Le Toy 4

Head angle 69°
Seat angle 71°
Top tube: 22.2 or 23.4"
Chainstay: 16.9" to 15.35"

http://www.24-bicycles.com/img/toy4-black.jpg

[bjanga]

Changleen I edited my first post. Did I forget anything?

*****Cortina Europa DS

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/6610/eurods6ep.jpg

*****Cortina Triton DS

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/160/tritonds3ej.jpg

I cannot find info about these frames, except for a little bit on go-ride:
http://www.go-ride.com/prod_frames_cortina.html

[bjanga]

Is there only one twofourtythree frame?

[bjanga]

*****Evil Imperial:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4521/imperialbanner6fv.jpg

Geometry:
Headtube angle 69.2 with 4" fork
Headtube length 5"
Headtube size 1.5"
BB height 26" 12.75"
BB shell 73mm
Chainstay length 15.5 - 17"
Toptube length 20 - 24"
Seat Post size 31.6mm
Seat tube length 13.5"
Front derailleur 31.8mm
Weight 6.1 lbs
1.5" Headtube
http://www.evilbikes.com/structures_imperial.htm

[Changleen]

Is there only one twofourtythree frame?No, There are sort of three but they are very similiar.

[bjanga]

I just read in the DH forum that woodman components went out of business ~6 mos. ago. Just FYI if you were looking at those woodman frames . . .

[Changleen]

24 Bicycles - Moon

No information available for geometry yet :(

It looks super nice though, full 4130, 24" wheel specific.
Oh and a Titanium version too! :D :D Now I just need to win the lottery.

Sorry for the big images.

http://www.24-bicycles.com/moon_profil2.jpg

http://www.24-bicycles.com/moon_profil.jpg

I'd expect you could get it without V-lugs if you asked nicely. Oh the production one looks like it has 6 bolts per dropout rather than just 4. 4 seems plenty to me....

[Bicyclist]

24 Bicycles - Moon

No information available for geometry yet :(

It looks super nice though, full 4130, 24" wheel specific.
Oh and a Titanium version too! :D :D Now I just need to win the lottery.

Sorry for the big images.

http://www.24-bicycles.com/moon_profil2.jpg

http://www.24-bicycles.com/moon_profil.jpg

I'd expect you could get it without V-lugs if you asked nicely. Oh the production one looks like it has 6 bolts per dropout rather than just 4. 4 seems plenty to me....

First 24 I've liked. That looks like a sick rig! Come on guys, post up your rides!

[v-digit]

that things been around for a bit, search da web for geo.
however, one horrible horrible thing about that frame is that its 8lbs. oops.

[bigdrop05]

Haro Werks DSR
Medium 15.5" ST
22.5" TT c-2-c
23.5" with seat up 3-4"
16.5" Chainstay
68mm shell
Easton 7005 aluminum.
2.4" fit's good.

HA about 69-70* with Z.1 FR 130mm
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/highrevtn/HaroZ1Aircorp.jpg

[W4S]

HA 70, SA 74, TT 22, Chainstay 16", BB 12.2

*will be changing to a BLackMarket Riot when they come available, but i love this bike.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h73/DiggerDog/HPIM0011.jpg

[kenjikuro]

Haro Werks DSR My first bike = P
Medium 15.5" ST
22.5" TT c-2-c
23.5" with seat up 3-4"
16.5" Chainstay
68mm shell

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/kenjikuro/CIMG1274.jpg

on one gimp 2nd bike but its sold =X it is fun to play with, overall quite nice
22inch tt ( 26 " ver)
21.5" tt ( 24 "ver )
16.5-16.8" cs
70 degree headtube
68mm shell

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/kenjikuro/CIMG2135.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/kenjikuro/CIMG1546.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/kenjikuro/gimp.jpg

Fall guy

Specs (with 80mm Manitou Sherman)


Material: Full Aircraft Certified 4130 cro-moly.


HT angle: 71 (steep enough to get some weight over the front wheel,slack enough for confidence.)


ST angle: 71 (Perfect for grabbing seat with knees.)


CS length (front of drop-outs): 14.75"


TT length: along the TT, 21.9" BMX way to size the bike, and as absolutely irrelevant as any other way these bikes are measured. You’ll get used to it. I’m 6' tall and love it.


BB Height: 12.375" with Kenda K-Rad 2.3's. Curious name, bitchin’ tire. DMR Moto is hot too.


Seat post size: 26.8.


Rear hub requirements: Any 14mm, BMX hub will work. LSD, or conventional.


Brakes: V-brake only.


BB: 68mm Euro.

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/CIMG2590.JPG (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

[hardtales]

so, how do you measure (or interpret) the head tube angle, if different length forks will cause it to change...?

[bjanga]

Some websites list what fork / tire the head angle was measured with.

[cannondalejunky]

2005 cannondale chase
small ; medium ; large
Chase Geometry Chart

Seat Tube Angle (degrees) 74 ; 74 ; 74
Head Tube Angle (degrees) 69 ; 69 ; 69
Horizontal Top Tube Length (in/cm) 21.4 ; 22.6 ; 24.0
Seat Tube Overall Length (in/cm) 14.0 ; 14.6 ; 14.6
Chainstay Length (in/cm) 16.7 ; 16.7 ; 16.7
Fork Rake (in/cm) 1.8 ; 1.8 ; 1.8
Bottom Bracket Height (in/cm) 11.7 ; 11.7 ; 11.7
Wheelbase (in/cm) 40.7 ; 42.0 ; 43.4
Trail (in/cm) 3.1 ; 3.1 ; 3.1
Standover Height (in/cm) 28.9 ; 29.3 ; 29.3
Bottom Bracket Drop (in/cm) 1.4 ; 1.4 ; 1.4
Front-Center Distance (in/cm) 24.1 ; 25.4 ; 26.8
Actual Top Tube Length (in/cm) 20.1 ; 21.2 ; 22.4



http://photo.pinkbike.com/photo/728/pbpic728013.jpg

[Bicyclist]

so, how do you measure (or interpret) the head tube angle, if different length forks will cause it to change...?

Find out what fork the HA was measured with. The general approximate rule is 1" longer or shorter fork yields a 1 degree decrease or increase in HA.

[cheeselad]

Union-Street Bikes Molly Maguire
http://www.unionstreetbikes.com/
http://www.unionstreetbikes.com/1images/Original%20Pics/Molly_3.jpg
http://www.unionstreetbikes.com/1images/Original%20Pics/Spec_Sheet.jpg
http://www.matchvideozine.com/unionstreet.jpg

[cheeselad]

Geekhouse Wormtown
http://www.geekhousebikes.com/
http://www.geekhousebikes.com/products/Wormtown/wormtown%20proto.jpg
http://www.geekhousebikes.com/products/Wormtown/wormtown-geo.jpg
http://www.geekhousebikes.com/products/Wormtown/built%20wormtown%20lg.jpg

[cheeselad]

Quamen Emo
26" or 24",
68.8 Head Angle
21.65 Top Tube
15.75 Chainstay
70 Seat Angle
12" BB Height 5.57lbs
Stock dropouts: 10mm axle, 135mm hub width
-Upgradeable dropouts
Mil-Spec 4130 Chromoly main frame, reinforced
headtube junction, reinforced seatstay junction, machined seat
tube, 1 1/8 headtube, 1.25" postsize, 35mm seatclamp.

http://www.quamenbikes.com/

http://www.quamenbikes.com/large/emoframe-1.jpg
http://www.quamenbikes.com/large/emoframe-4.jpg

[JRB]

Here you go, Changleen. 06 Roscoe with Pike dialed down to about 120mm.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/loco-gringo/seatpost003.jpg

This shows the dropout I tapped to hold the axle back. It won't take a 2.3 slid forward in the drops, so I am holding it back on the drive side. I also have a tug on the non-drive side to keep it from pulling on hits. Not sure why pic turned out so huge, but you can see the detail. The hub is a cheap Ritchey that I threaded the axle to bolt on.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/loco-gringo/seatpost006.jpg

[SONofGAWD]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/jimel/addict.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/jimel/addict3.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a31/jimel/DSC00144.jpg

Top Tube 21.8"
Chain Stay 15.75" - 16.65"
Seat Tube 11.15"
Wheel Base 41.1" - 42"
BB Height 13.25"
Stand Over 26.25"
Head Tube 4.55"
Head Tube Angle 69.5º
Seat Tube Angle 70.3º
Seat Post Size 27.2 mm
Finish Ano. Black

[bjanga]

Soul Cycles LOKI:
Size (Measured From Center Of Bottom Bracket To Top Of Seat Tube) 14.5" 16.5"
Recommended Fork Length 80-100mm 80-100mm
Head Angle 69 69
Headset 1 1/8 1 1/8
Seat Angle 71 71
Seatpost Size 27.2mm 27.2mm
Top Tube Length Measured Center To Center 21.3" 22.4"
Wheelbase 1043mm 1075mm
Chainstay Length 419mm 419mm
Bottom Bracket Width 73mm 73mm
Bottom Bracket Height 12.5" 12.5"
Disc Brake Mount Spacing 51mm IS 51mm IS
Rear Axle Spacing 135mm 135mm
Rear Axle Diameter 10mm 10mm
Maximum Tire Clearance 2.5+ 2.5+
Standover At Midsection Of Top Tube And Forward Of Seat Tube 27" 25" 29" 27"
Weight 4lbs 13oz 5lbs
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/9381/lokiweb0dv.jpg



Soul Cycles TITAN:
Size (Measured From Center Of Bottom Bracket To Top Of Seat Tube) 15.5" 18"
Recommended Fork Length 130-150mm 130-150mm
Head Angle 69 69
Headset 1 1/8 1 1/8
Seat Angle 71 71
Seatpost Size 27.2mm 27.2mm
Top Tube Length Measured Center To Center 22.3" 23"
Wheelbase 1076mm 1102mm
Chainstay Length 430mm 430mm
Bottom Bracket Width 73mm 73mm
Bottom Bracket Height 12" 12"
Disc Brake Mount Spacing 51mm IS 51mm IS
Rear Axle Spacing 135mm 135mm
Rear Axle Diameter 10mm 10mm
Maximum Tire Clearance 2.5 2.5
Standover At Midsection Of Top Tube And Forward Of Seat Tube 28" 24" 30" 26"
Weight 4lbs 5oz 4lbs 12oz
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/7404/titanweb7pk.jpg



Santa Cruz Chameleon (measured with 500mm Axle-to-Crown fork):
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2016/cham6lc.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/841/chameleon1xu.jpg

[Bicyclist]

NEMESIS PROJECT FRAMES: (Pictures are below the descriptions)

24" DeathMobile
22.30TT
15.20 rear-end
13.50 seat-tube
11.88 B/B
72º HA
70º SA
http://www.nemesisproject.com/images/news/brandonhuff.jpg


26" DeathMobile
22.75TT
15.50 rear-end
13.50 seat-tube
12.40 B/B
70º HA
70º SA
http://www.nemesisproject.com/images/news/Peter.jpg


DeathMobile Features
- Spanish B/B
- Internal headset
- Simple design
- BMX rear hub specific
- TrueTemper OX platinum front triangle includes seat-tube !
- 4130 straight gauge rear end
- Gussets at head, top, and down tubes
- Gussetted at chainstay/BB interface
- CNC'd and custom engraved NEMESIS dropouts



26" Secret Agent (Zach Dank specific angles)
22.50 TT
15.80 -16.50 rear end
14.50 seat-tube
12.50 B/B
70º HA
70º SA
http://www.nemesisproject.com/images/news/zdbike.jpg


24" Secret Agent
22.30TT
15.50-15.75 rear end
14.50 chainstays
12.0 B/B
72º HA
70º SA
http://www.nemesisproject.com/images/news/IMG_3879_low.jpg


Secret Agent Features
- TrueTemper OX platinum front triangle, seat tube, and chainstays
- 4130 straight gauge seatstays
- Standard press fit 1 1/8 headtube , CNC machined and heat treated
- CNC'd euro B/B shell
- CNC'd and custom engraved NEMESIS dropouts
- 135mm disk specific rear spacing
- Gussets at headtube on top and downtubes



StreetFighter (special order only)
21.5 or 22.30 TT
15.0 ST
72º HA
70º SA
15.50-16.25 rear end
Each street-fighter is hand built by Brad Hodges , for each customer on a per order basis . New '07 Street-Fighter coming soon!

http://www.nemesisproject.com/images/news/ALc.jpg

Frame Options include
- Custom powder coat single, 2 and 3 process colors
- Spanish B/B or EURO (euro required on 135mm bikes intended for geared use)
- Internal or Press fit 1 1/8 headtubes
- Custom cable guides or routing

[bjanga]

Copy/paste from a response to an email I sent to Cortina Cycles asking about the Europa DS frame:

Yes we do produce the frame and now it is called "The Mexican" and it is a 12mm through axle dropout frame. You can recieve the frame without paint, we do not do clear coating on raw aluminum. The head tube is 5" long and max diameter is 2-3/8" for 1.5" headsets. The BB is a 73mm shell width and the chainline measurement depends on the crankset you put on. The recomended fork travel is 100-130mm travel, the frame geometry is built around the manitou minute 3:00 100mm travel fork 18.89" axle to crown. The geometry is:


Head tube angle: 69°
Seat tube angle: 71°
top tube (effective): 22" (short) 23" (long)
seat tube (frame size, center of BB to top) 15"
chainstay length 16"

BB height: 12.25"
The Mexican frame is a 4X and dirt jump frame, and even though the frame might be strong enough for a dual crown fork it is not recomended as well as tall single crown forks with 6" or more travel. Retail pricing is $650 for frame and axle, 100% hand built in the USA. These frames are being produced but out of stock right now.

[Changleen]

TwentyFour Seven DARK ANGEL V24 '06

Strengthened rear triangle with thicker wishbones and heat treating on the chain stays making the frame 25% stronger. Another small detail is the cable routing for the rear v brake is now under the top tube giving more clearance.

The 5th generation darkangel frame is now 24" specific and is one of the most rideable dirt/street frames in the world. Made from the highest quality 4130 cromoly, all frames feature an international standard rear disc mount and V brake bosses. Frames come complete with chain tugs.

21.5" top tube length,
71 degree head angle
BMX type BB.

Ideally suited for forks of 110mm but can accept up to 130mm within warranty. 27 seat tube. Available in Lime Green, Dark Red, Baby Blue, Electric Blue, Flip Brown and Black. All colours are pearlized. Weight 3kg. Seat post and clamp available at £14.99 extra. £199.99

COMING SOON. V24.SL. Superlight version of the classic featuring spanish BB, integrated headtube, fully heat treated with 14mm dropouts. 1.4lbs lighter than the standard V24.

Odd photo, sorry...

http://www.24sevenbikes.com/ARTWORK/slacker06-blk.jpg

Better build, worse angle:

http://www.24sevenbikes.com/ARTWORK/slackerbikered.jpg

[Changleen]

TwentyFour Seven DARK ANGEL V26 '06

26" version of the v24. Strengthened rear triangle with thicker wishbones and heat treating on the chain stays making the frame 25% stronger. Made from the highest quality 4130 cromoly, all frames feature an international standard rear disc mount and V brake bosses. Frames come complete with chain tugs. 21.5" top tube length, 71 degree head angle and BMX type BB. Ideally suited for forks of 110mm but can accept up to 130mm within warranty. 27 seat tube. Available in Lime Green, Dark Red, Baby Blue, Electric Blue, Flip Brown and Black. All colours are pearlized. Weight 3.2kg. Seat post and clamp available at £14.99 extra. £199.99

As above but with big wheels....

[FESTER]

IDENTITI P-45

TT, 553mm (21.75”)
HA, 71 degrees on 440mm fork
ST, 345mm (13.6”) at 72 degrees
CS, 385mm (143/4”) min

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c158/OGGY47/bikefull.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c158/OGGY47/P45.jpg

[bcd]

Quamen Emo
.

http://www.quamenbikes.com/


[/IMG]

i'd buy that bike! good find!

[nvd]

Ventana CVD Custom
bb:12, cs:16, tt:22, stl:15, ha:69.75, sta:69

sorry no showroom pic, but the geometry is dialed. This bike's ridden out of some crazy sh*t that I can only dream about. Really depends on what you want the bike for though, this design is a little sketch for really high speed racing applications. The only thing I'd change on a race bike is a slightly longer chainstay, and I emphasize slightly. But as a do everything play bike, unbelievable. DJ, Street, Vert, bmx track, even tight dual and mtx corses as long as there is no really fast, really choppy stuff. Bike's best attributes...throwin style!

[Christian]

Simtra bikes

The BnB
http://www.cycles-simtra.com/cd/imgbrochure/images/page02.jpg

The Psycho
http://www.cycles-simtra.com/cd/imgbrochure/images/page04.jpg

[xcursedx]

Has any put 80mm forks on a 24" general lee ?
do you have pics ? how does it feel ?

i picked up the general last year rode it for a month or so and taco'd the rear rim , it sat around all year until i decided to build it up, but i've been getting so many parts that i'll end up having a second bike

( i'm going to pick up one of the blk mrkt frames and a new wheelset, but in the meantime i want to ride the generel with some forks )


---------------------edit ------------------------
nevermind, i got the blk mrkt riot , but i would still like to see what the general looks like with forks, i imagine the geometry would be crap ,

so can anyone answer my questions ? =)

[BikeSATORI]

forgot Eastern, Sinister, NS Bikes, Draco, NPJ, Duncon, KGM, Agent, iron fist, SE, etc....

but I'm a noob here so I'll watch you guys work for the moment...

Great thread though, much needed resource, even though many of the frames here are already outdated (industry's movin' fast!) or out of production...

[kalNhobbs]

Here's my MC rumble. Although the company went away for awhile :nopity: , they are on the upstart, and from the company blog, they are not making any changes to the rumble ("if its not broke..."), which is good since it's the perfect all rounder.

You can probably pick up a 2005 frame (the year they began the replaceable dropouts) for $150 on ebay, that's where I got mine.

sm/med/lg:

Head tube angle: 70°
Seat tube angle: 73°
Top tube (effective): 22/23/24"
Seat tube: 15/17/19"
chainstay length: 16"
BB height (to center of BB shell): 12.25"

[micahb]

This is a ton of good info. Should be required reading before asking "What bike should I get for DJ/Park?". By the way, what bike should I get for DJ/Park?

[nocturnalism]

hey im new to dirt jumping just wondering if this would be any good as a first proper DJ bike

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5672/dscf0019pp3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


specifications

frame: full 4130 diamondback jump frameset with horizontal dropouts

fork: suntour xcm 100mm travel

hubs: formula cassete alloy sb black nutted axels and single speed converter. disc ready

rims: diamondback doublewall alloy black

spokes:14g steel with brass nippels

tryes:kenda k-rad 26x2.35

cassete:formuls single speed kit with 16tcog

chainset: chromly 3pc slined

bottombracket: cartride

chain: kmc

brake leveres: tektro alloy levers

brakes: tektro alloy v brake

headset: fsa pig

bars: diamondback alloy rise bar os w:670mm r:50mm b:6degree

grips:diamondback kraton rubber

stern:diamondback alloy

seatpost: diamondback alloy micro adjust l:300m

saddle:outland dirt jump

pedals:alloy platform

what do you think also how much would you pay for it

[dexter]

way better options out there. 880% of the stuff on that bike will break in 2 rides

[SuspectDevice]

Oh why the hell not...
The Spooky Bandwagon
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r277/SuspectDevice413/bandwagongeo.gif
http://www.spookybikes.com/loot/images/COPY-MACHINE.gif

Truetemper, Columbus, Reynolds air hardening steel, 2 4130 chainstays and some 4130 milled out from little blocks.

They will only be like $1300 to boot!

Spooky Bikes, contempt for everyone, since 1992

[Leon94]

XC/DJ Skookum specs:

[Leon94]

http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-US/bikes/mountain/1322/29439/

I am not certain how different the previous models were in terms of dimensions.

[Leon94]

http://www.sinisterbikes.com/images/2006%20Images/2007_bikes/DNA/DNA_2007.pdf

2007 Sinister DNA (small)

73 mm ISCG bottom bracket shell
135 x 10 mm rear spacing
6.5 lbs. frame weight
1 - 1/8” deep press headset compatible
30.9 mm seat post
no front derailleur
31.8 mm seat post clamp
International standard brake only
All 6061 - T6 aircraft aluminum
1 -1/8 x 4.5” head tube
68.5-degree head angle
Replaceable drops
Square tube chain and seat stays
Gusseted triangle for extra durability
2.6” tire capacity
Designed for 80 mm - 100 mm fork

[ddaiber]

here is the geo for the NS suburban 26" 2007, and for the blackmarket MOB (same

http://ridemonkey.com/forums/skynetimages/attach/jpg.gif
http://ridemonkey.com/forums/skynetimages/attach/jpg.gifas riot)



I've only ridden the ns suburban, and it did feel pretty good, and it's really light, one of the nieciest things on the market anyway.
for the blackmarket I hope that by mid 08 I'll have my own one.

[cmc]

any 26's out there that are ultra short in the back, but XXL in the front, like a 23"tt ?

[BikeSATORI]

any 26's out there that are ultra short in the back, but XXL in the front, like a 23"tt ?

Atomlab Trailking.

[Sir_Crackien]

yep the trailking has a 23.5" toptube. i measured mine as soon as i got it. i will post all the geo details when it gets biult

[a rider]

Rancidbikes Punisher prototype
69.5 deg. head angle
15 5/8''-16 1/2'' Chainstays
73 deg. seat tube
22 1/2'' Top Tube
12 1/4'' BB height with this fork and tires
MSRP Unknown at this time.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a392/iRide_616/Mountain%20bikes/HPIM1549.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a392/iRide_616/Mountain%20bikes/HPIM1545.jpg

[TA..]

Another sick model here SuperCo Charger 26" (http://www.ridesuperco.com/2008/bikes.php)

Geometry (with 18.5” fork)

Head Angle: 70°
Seat Angle: 71° effective at 16 inch BB center to seat rails (68 actual)
TT length (actual): 22.125 inch
BB height: 12.125 inch
Min CS length: 15 inch
Min wheel base: 39.6 inch (with 1.75 inch fork offset)
Head tube length: 4.5 inch
Seat tube length: 9.75 inch (BB center to TT center)
Frame weight: 4.9 lbs

[brandonbmx1]

Here is my new aluminum staats mtx. The frame weighs only 3.9 lbs. The bike rides amazing. Here is the geometry from the website:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2539301515_9717581798_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2237/2540125918_08f978e89d_b.jpg
7005 MTX Small Medium
Top Tube 21" 22"
Rider Area 26.3" 27.5"
Chain Stay 16.25" 16.25"
BB Height 12.8" 12.8"
Head Angle 69* 69*
Seat Angle 70.5* 71*
Brake 26x1.95-2.25 26x1.95-2.25
Head Tube 1 1/8" 1 1/8"
Seat Post 27.2mm 27.2mm
Weight 3.9lbs 4.0lbs

I will try to take the measurements myself to verify the website. You may want to check out there website for measurement explanations, as they measure things a little differently. Rider area is basically the downtube length.

[buckoW]

here is my new 2009 Scott Voltage

http://p1.pinkbike.com/photo/2177/pbpic2177952.jpg

The chainstays are 385mm
BB drop is -15mm
HA 69°
TT is just long enough to xup/barspin with 170mm cranks

[tmx]

any 26's out there that are ultra short in the back, but XXL in the front, like a 23"tt ?

Not listed on the SuperCo site but there were some XL Charger's made with 23" TT.

edit: But now sold out. More will be made when the next batch heads into production later this year.

[one piece crank]

My current build, although no longer in production, possibly still available in Canada:
http://www.series2forum.co.uk/Gallery/albums/userpics/10036/Banshee1.jpg
Banshee Scratch, large, below geometry for 24"x24" (also accepts 26"x26")
- Fork Travel: 3"
- Head Angle: 70°
- Seat Angle: 72°
- BB Height: 12.3" (312mm)
- Seat Tube: 16” (406mm)
- Top Tube: 23.5” (597mm)
- Max Tire Clearance: 24x3.0" (26" x 2.8")
- Rear Hub Spacing: 135mm
- Rear Axle Size: 14mm single-speed (adaptors included), 10mm multi-speed
- Chainstay: 15.75” - 17” (400- 432mm)
- Wheelbase: 41.9” (1064mm)
- Headset: 1.125"
- Seatpost Dia: 27.2mm
- BB: BMX (American BB)

Tom P.