hamas is now certifiably insane [Archive]

Transcend

03-07-2006, 11:02 PM

With this website, Hamas leadership is now certifiable. Yes it is legit, yes it is run by a ruling political party.

Cartoons for children glorifying suicide bombing and encouraging martyrdom.

News source is obviously biased being Israeli, but the site is real.

Insane Website:
http://www.al-fateh.net/

Full Story:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=99839

chicodude

03-07-2006, 11:14 PM

kinghami3

03-07-2006, 11:56 PM

Huh, I didn't know my browser supported Arabic! Anyone care to translate? :p

Transcend

03-08-2006, 12:21 AM

Holy freakin' crap. That site was insane. I liked the neato puzzle game though :clue:

I did the mosque puzzle too. I was sorta bummed when it didn't explode when I complete dit though. :(

chicodude

03-08-2006, 12:24 AM

I did the mosque puzzle too. I was sorta bummed when it didn't explode when I complete dit though. :(

I was expected the head of an infidel on a post, so I was pleasently suprised

Changleen

03-08-2006, 12:39 AM

Trancend, I don't want to totally deny what you're saying, because actually I can't speak (or read) arabic either, but I read Israeli news columns fairly regularly, and I have to say they are often fairly liberal with their interpretation of reality.

I'm not saying this is the case here, but I have to play devils advocate and say none of us can read this and all we actually have to go on are two easily mis-interpretted translations by the Israeli news source.

Can anyone actually read this?

Edit: And I gotta say, that news site looks kinda biased....

DaveW

03-08-2006, 02:51 AM

Well speaking as someone who has run a newspaper (part of the fairfax media empire and formerly owned by Rupert Murdoch) for a few years... My previous job.
The language is HUGELY biased and inflamitory with utterly no ballance in the story.

Yes I know my spelling and grammer are crap... I didn't write the damm storys, I just gave direction and ran the place. :p

DRB

03-08-2006, 05:34 PM

Changleen

03-08-2006, 06:06 PM

Okay be the devil's advocate, what do you think the Hamas Children's site has on it?I should think a watered down verson of the history of the struggle between Palestine and Israel with added cartoon 'heros' who portray their supposed values and virtues. I doubt anything on there is stronger than what you might find being taught at a US or UK sunday school.

Changleen

03-08-2006, 06:08 PM

I should just add I don't like Hamas much. However the treatment they are recieving the Israeli and sections of the US press is utterly counterproductive.

kinghami3

03-08-2006, 06:14 PM

I should just add I don't like Hamas much. However the treatment they are recieving the Israeli and sections of the US press is utterly counterproductive.
History being U.S. and other world powers give Israel first class weapons and training, Israel DOMINATES the Middle East, and continues to beat the sh*t out of a bunch of guys who only have rocks to fight with? I gotta admit, I'm not really a fan of either side, but if I had so single out the oppressed, Hamas/Palestine would get my vote.

Transcend

03-08-2006, 06:34 PM

History being U.S. and other world powers give Israel first class weapons and training, Israel DOMINATES the Middle East, and continues to beat the sh*t out of a bunch of guys who only have rocks to fight with? I gotta admit, I'm not really a fan of either side, but if I had so single out the oppressed, Hamas/Palestine would get my vote.

Both sides are utterly retarded, and should give up their petty bickering. Seriously, the gaza strip is a ****TY piece of desert. No one want's to visit there, let alone live there. Their only reason they do is both sides give away free housing in order to make a political statement. It is absurd.

I gotta say however, that i cannot find any way to side with Palestine. Encouraging your youth to be suicide bombers and kill civilians for what amounts to purely politcal gain, is disgusting.

noname

03-08-2006, 06:45 PM

Yup, certifiable. Here is a link to the washington times take on said cartoons, a slightly less biased paper than the Israeli press.

noname

03-08-2006, 06:46 PM

damn, didn't post the link, here it goes again http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20060213-105801-4655r.htm
and also, http://www.pmw.org.il/Latest%20bulletins%20new.htm

Changleen

03-08-2006, 07:19 PM

So the kid goes and swaps the Israeli flag for a Palestinian one. Not exactly encouraging suicide bombings.

This seems to be no worse than having a government sponsored advert to join the army. "Go Army!"

Changleen

03-08-2006, 07:22 PM

Both sides are utterly retarded, and should give up their petty bickering. Seriously, the gaza strip is a ****TY piece of desert. No one want's to visit there, let alone live there. Their only reason they do is both sides give away free housing in order to make a political statement. It is absurd.Damn right.
I gotta say however, that i cannot find any way to side with Palestine. Encouraging your youth to be suicide bombers and kill civilians for what amounts to purely politcal gain, is disgusting.I don't like to side with either of them, dumb religious ****s, but the English part of me wants to make sure the underdog gets a fair showing. Neither side is worthy of being held up as better than the other, but inthe US there is a general perception that Israel represent 'good' which is utter BS.

Westy

03-08-2006, 07:27 PM

Hamas is just supporting their "base" that got them elected.

noname

03-08-2006, 07:44 PM

Damn right.
I don't like to side with either of them, dumb religious ****s, but the English part of me wants to make sure the underdog gets a fair showing. Neither side is worthy of being held up as better than the other, but inthe US there is a general perception that Israel represent 'good' which is utter BS. the primary difference between palistinians and israelis is that israelis aren't raised to hate muslims and thirst for their death. but I guess that shouldn't matter. Of coarse it doesn't help either that the moderate muslims are moving to israel, more moderate muslim countries and europe, leaving the asylum to the inmates as it were.

Changleen

03-08-2006, 09:27 PM

the primary difference between palistinians and israelis is that israelis aren't raised to hate muslims and thirst for their death. but I guess that shouldn't matter. Of coarse it doesn't help either that the moderate muslims are moving to israel, more moderate muslim countries and europe, leaving the asylum to the inmates as it were.Really? Reading the Israeli press and looking at the reality of Israeli action against Palestinains over the past few years they must be learning the hate at some point.

noname

03-08-2006, 09:49 PM

Really? Reading the Israeli press and looking at the reality of Israeli action against Palestinains over the past few years they must be learning the hate at some point.
bear in mind that Israel has the capacity to wipe out the palistinians whenever they want, the mere fact that they don't, despite incredible hostility aimed at them publicly by the palistinian government says it all. Add to that the fact that all of their military action against palistians are byand large retaliatory and targeted specifically at militants versus the kill as many as you can tactics of the palistinians is yet another indicator of who the reasonable ones in that situation are.
If the Israelis hated muslims, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for them to eject all of the muslim Israelis, rather than give up Israeli lands in an effort to make peace.

Changleen

03-08-2006, 09:54 PM

Funny that the Israelis have killed twice as many as the Palestinians then, eh?

noname

03-08-2006, 10:15 PM

First, since you are constantly proving yoursenf to be uninformed, I won't even acknowledge that assertion. But for the sake of discussion, lets say it is so, is it my fault that the Israelis are far more effective than the palistinians? If you walk up and punch someone, and they just shake it off then knock you out, that doesn't change the fact that you are the aggresor, not my fault you tried to hit someone tougher than you.

kinghami3

03-08-2006, 10:24 PM

To all here, I suggest you go rent "Promises." It follows kids from both sides of the line, and really takes a good look at the root of the issues in a very heartbreaking way. 60 Minutes 2 did an extremely touching follow-up to it too, and the results will probably change your whole view on the situation.

noname

03-08-2006, 10:26 PM

kinghami3

03-08-2006, 10:31 PM

thanks, I cna't spell so gud.

noname

03-08-2006, 10:37 PM

thanks, I cna't spell so gud. just hated to see an intelligent response ruined by a g:love:

Changleen

03-09-2006, 02:18 AM

First, since you are constantly proving yoursenf to be uninformed, I won't even acknowledge that assertion.Wow, you really are a complete ****wit.

Since the beginning of the Intifada to April 9th, 2005:
* 3,225 Palestinians killed by Israelis (3,135 by military in the territories, 54 by military inside Israel, 34 by settlers in the territories)
* 950 Israelis killed by Palestinians (431 inside Israel, 218 settlers, 218 soldiers on duty)

You ignorant dick. Wanna check back even further? It gets worse.
But for the sake of discussion, lets say it is so, is it my fault that the Israelis are far more effective than the palistinians? If you walk up and punch someone, and they just shake it off then knock you out, that doesn't change the fact that you are the aggresor, not my fault you tried to hit someone tougher than you.1) A bunch of white folks turn up in Arab lands and take over a huge area backed by the military and money of the west by force. What was that crap you just spouted about the first punch?
2) Knocking someone out in a fist fight isn't quite quite the same thing as running tanks and jet fighters into your enemies territory and blowing the crap out of them for over 50 years you complete moron. Arguing with you is just too easy. Please do some research before you open your noise hole again so this isn't quite so easy.

DaveW

03-09-2006, 02:47 AM

Funny that the Israelis have killed twice as many as the Palestinians then, eh?

Ahhh it's more like 6 times. :(

*edit* just scrolled down some more and seen you post up the more accurate data ... sorry 3.something times it is. ;)

valve bouncer

03-09-2006, 04:02 AM

the primary difference between palistinians and israelis is that israelis aren't raised to hate muslims and thirst for their death. but I guess that shouldn't matter. Of coarse it doesn't help either that the moderate muslims are moving to israel, more moderate muslim countries and europe, leaving the asylum to the inmates as it were.I guess you haven't talked to the Israelis I have. Plenty of hate to go around on both sides.

ALEXIS_DH

03-09-2006, 05:30 AM

Wow, you really are a complete ****wit.

Since the beginning of the Intifada to April 9th, 2005:
* 3,225 Palestinians killed by Israelis (3,135 by military in the territories, 54 by military inside Israel, 34 by settlers in the territories)
* 950 Israelis killed by Palestinians (431 inside Israel, 218 settlers, 218 soldiers on duty)

You ignorant dick. Wanna check back even further? It gets worse.
1) A bunch of white folks turn up in Arab lands and take over a huge area backed by the military and money of the west by force
. What was that crap you just spouted about the first punch?
2) Knocking someone out in a fist fight isn't quite quite the same thing as running tanks and jet fighters into your enemies territory and blowing the crap out of them for over 50 years you complete moron. Arguing with you is just too easy. Please do some research before you open your noise hole again so this isn't quite so easy.

well dude.. it wasnt just "a bunch of white folks showed up from nowhere"....
there were a few jews around way before balfour... even if the number is not significant... doesnt mean they (the ones who were there as long as the palestinians) shouldnt be allowed to free determination.

and if you accept this first statement, then you´d have to accept that they can accept whoever they want into "their" land. even if its 1 sq mile.

doesnt matter if not all the jews were not from around there... as long as there are a few jews who were there as long as the palestinians... they got right over the land in 48, and rights over who they want to share the land with, just like any other nation.

and if you accept that, then you can see the ocupation as reparation for the war started on 48 (by those who did not agree on the partition on the first place), 67 and 73....

The Amish

03-09-2006, 06:10 AM

Really? Reading the Israeli press and looking at the reality of Israeli action against Palestinains over the past few years they must be learning the hate at some point.

Prolly as their bus blows up on the way to school

Changleen

03-09-2006, 11:42 AM

Ahhh it's more like 6 times. :(

*edit* just scrolled down some more and seen you post up the more accurate data ... sorry 3.something times it is. ;)It depends how far you go back. My figure is just to the beginning of the last Intafadah. If you go back further the ratio actually rises up nearly 1 to 10.

Changleen

03-09-2006, 11:45 AM

Prolly as there bus blows up on the way to schoolSo it's OK for the Israelis to roll tanks and troops into refugee camps and towns, indiscriminately killing 100s of entire Palestinian families, bulldosing people inside their houses, but the Palestinians retaliate and they are the evil ones? :oink:

BurlyShirley

03-09-2006, 11:50 AM

indiscriminately killing 100s
I wouldnt say its indiscriminate. They are all palestinians after all.

Changleen

03-09-2006, 12:02 PM

I wouldnt say its indiscriminate. They are all palestinians after all.You are such a bundle of love :love:

You used to be a better troll than that.

Jabuttri

03-09-2006, 12:06 PM

Israel is really good at propaganda. they make themselves look like victims. The reality is that for every one Israeli killed they kill ten palestinians.

Transcend

03-09-2006, 01:09 PM

It doesn't really matter who is right and who is wrong. They are both wrong, they are both incredibly intolerant of each other and they are fighting over what amounts to a glorified garbage dump. Way to go guys, way to go.

Anyone who says either side are simply a victim is beyond naive. They are both aggressors, they are both retarded. Period.

My fairy tale is mo' better then your fairy tale! You must die for that!

The Amish

03-10-2006, 06:16 AM

So it's OK for the Israelis to roll tanks and troops into refugee camps and towns, indiscriminately killing 100s of entire Palestinian families, bulldosing people inside their houses, but the Palestinians retaliate and they are the evil ones? :oink:

There's only one solution to this problem. A winner and a loser. Its time to get in the ring and see what they got. Winner take all, no time for losers etc.......................HOnestly no one cares anymore anyway, were all sick of hearing about the poor jews, and the oppresed palestinians. Its a sandbox full of kiddie piss for christ's sake

fluff

03-10-2006, 07:24 AM

My fairy tale is mo' better then your fairy tale! You must die for that!
Do you really think that's what it's about?

valve bouncer

03-10-2006, 08:46 AM

Do you really think that's what it's about?
Fair point Fluffo. To give Transcend his due though that was a throw away line.

Transcend

03-10-2006, 10:15 AM

Do you really think that's what it's about?

Religion is indeed what runs the entire area. The muslims hate the jews, the jews hate the muslims. The israelies wanted land at the birthplace of their religious beliefs. They share the same holy sites.

I'd say that it would be accurate to say that religion was at the very root of their problems.

6th graders handle their disagreements more maturely then these guys do.

Changleen

03-10-2006, 03:36 PM

Do you really think that's what it's about?That's kinda how it started, and if you could remove that factor the situation would be a LOT different.

JRogers

03-12-2006, 03:21 PM

I'd say that it would be accurate to say that religion was at the very root of their problems.

And because you don't believe what they do, this makes their conflict is a total joke?

Transcend

03-12-2006, 05:54 PM

And because you don't believe what they do, this makes their conflict is a total joke?

Killing each other over a barren piece of land for no apparent reason or because they don't share the same beliefs is a total joke, yes.:rolleyes:

DaveW

03-12-2006, 07:57 PM

Killing each other over a barren piece of land for no apparent reason or because they don't share the same beliefs is a total joke, yes.:rolleyes:

Yep same here.... I'm beyond caring about either side really. Both sides are hypocrites and appear to genuinely enjoy harming others with only passing lip service to civilised humane behavior.

So to me it is now only a morbid spectator sport/blood sport. Neither side behaves like an adult or with honnor, so I shall not waste respect on them. :nopity:

fluff

03-13-2006, 01:04 AM

Killing each other over a barren piece of land for no apparent reason or because they don't share the same beliefs is a total joke, yes.:rolleyes:
It ain't barren and it ain't about religion.

Jews and Arabs lived in peace in Palestine for many years until the last century (and many Arabs do still live pecefully in Israel.

It is about displaced people, forcibly driven from the places where they had dwelt for generations.

Changleen

03-13-2006, 02:04 AM

Because of people's ideas about land they were entitled to using the excuse of...????

fluff

03-13-2006, 03:31 AM

Because of people's ideas about land they were entitled to using the excuse of...????
Are you confusing cause and effect again? Or has the dope got your grammar?

DaveW

03-13-2006, 08:25 AM

Sorry which was the chicken and which was the egg again?

fluff

03-17-2006, 04:04 AM

Sorry which was the chicken and which was the egg again?
A handy guide:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_israel_palestinians/maps/html/default.stm

Da Peach

03-17-2006, 04:30 AM

The whole situation depresses me. Once you think one side is doing something commendable, they screw it up by either bulldozing something, or the other side blows themselves and some others up ruining everything. I'm no expert on middle eastern affairs, but as many have said, it's hard to give a **** about either side anymore. Beyond understanding.

Kind of makes you want to buy an electric car, build a wind farm, flood a few hundred square kms of forest for hydro power plant and forget about the middle east altogether.

Would anyone here miss the middle east? Honestly? Apart from the news networks of course...

I don't know any Palestinians, or Israelis. I'm sure we'd get along fine though. But if they were lucky/enlightened enough to make it to the western world, I bet they'd agree. At least partly...

Apart from the humanitarian side of things, why should we care about that part of the world? I can't get over the "I'm going to blow myself up today" gap.

MMike

03-17-2006, 04:34 AM

infidel

The whole situation depresses me. Once you think one side is doing something commendable, they screw it up by either bulldozing something, or the other side blows themselves and some others up ruining everything. I'm no expert on middle eastern affairs, but as many have said, it's hard to give a **** about either side anymore. Beyond understanding.

Kind of makes you want to buy an electric car, build a wind farm, flood a few hundred square kms of forest for hydro power plant and forget about the middle east altogether.

Would anyone here miss the middle east? Honestly? Apart from the news networks of course...

I don't know any Palestinians, or Israelis. I'm sure we'd get along fine though. But if they were lucky/enlightened enough to make it to the western world, I bet they'd agree. At least partly...

Apart from the humanitarian side of things, why should we care about that part of the world? I can't get over the "I'm going to blow myself up today" gap.