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03-02-2006, 09:35 AM

Bill Clinton advises Dubai as Hillary attacks its US ports deal
Mar 02 10:11 AM US/Eastern

Former president Bill Clinton has privately advised Dubai officials (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/60414c4c-a95e-11da-a64b-0000779e2340.html)how to address US political concerns over a controversial ports deal, as his wife, Senator Hillary Clinton, publicly attacks the deal.

Dubai Ports World bid to takeover Britain's P and O, which runs terminal operations at six major US ports, has triggered a political firestorm in the United States.

Senator Clinton has voiced vigorous opposition to the 5.7-billion-euro (6.8-billion-dollar) takeover, saying it threatens US national security.

She is attempting to push legislation through Congress that seeks to block the deal, partly on the grounds that DP World is foreign-government owned.

Meanwhile, the Financial Times reported Thursday her husband -- who it said was paid 300,000 dollars in 2002 to address a summit in Dubai -- has advised Dubai officials how to soothe US concerns over the deal.

"Mr. Clinton, who this week called the United Arab Emirates a 'good ally to America,' advised Dubai's leaders to propose a 45-day delay to allow for an intensive investigation of the acquisition," the FT said, citing a spokesman for the ex president (http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/robertnovak/2006/03/02/188380.html).

DP World has agreed with the White House to undertake a more lengthy review process of the deal, despite already received government approval for it to proceed.

The takeover would see DP World run ports at Baltimore, Miami, New Jersey, New Orleans, New York and Philadelphia.

A court in London was due to give a ruling on Wednesday on the legality of DP World's takeover of the Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co.

03-02-2006, 09:37 AM

Looks like its a done deal now though:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/01/060301222720.m1pir6gy.html

Tenchiro

03-02-2006, 09:39 AM

I still wonder why it was ok for England to own them but not the UAE...

Slugman

03-02-2006, 09:53 AM

You and Carl Rove have the same issue….

Sen. Clinton: Rove obsesses about me
Tuesday, February 28, 2006; Posted: 9:08 a.m. EST (14:08 GMT)

ALBANY, New York (AP) -- Reacting to a new book quoting Karl Rove as saying she will be the 2008 Democratic nominee for president, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that President Bush's chief political strategist "spends a lot of time obsessing about me."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/27/clinton.rove.ap/

Ciaran

03-02-2006, 09:59 AM

OK... I am fuzzy on something... Why would we need ANY foreign company to manage our ports?

I am guessing that the ports and thier management is a private corporation thing (Not owned by gov't), right? So, is there no qualified or competent company or people here in America that can do the job? Is this all just more Bush evil in an attempt to make his friends even richer?

I just don't understand all this politics stuff... :ouch: :nonono:

Changleen

03-02-2006, 01:51 PM

I still wonder why it was ok for England to own them but not the UAE...Because the American voting public is inherantly racist, AND unable to differentiate in any real way between one Arab country and another. Well done George. :mad:

narlus

03-02-2006, 01:59 PM

I still wonder why it was ok for England to own them but not the UAE...

P&O (prior owner/manager of the ports in dispute) is a PRIVATE company. the house of lords or commons, or tony blair, or any other powdered wig-wearer has no say in its operation.

contrast this w/ the proposed owner, which as i understand it, is controlled by the Dubai (UAE) government.

i don't care if the next prospective owner was controlled by the government of *any* country. keep it in private business hands.

BillT

03-02-2006, 02:52 PM

OK... I am fuzzy on something... Why would we need ANY foreign company to manage our ports?

My question on this has always been is there not a US company that is capable of running US port operations? With all the uproar lately over outsourcing, you'd think they'd at least try to find a US company to do this...I mean doesn't Haliburton have a division that can do this :)

The Amish

03-02-2006, 03:45 PM

Because the American voting public is inherantly racist, AND unable to differentiate in any real way between one Arab country and another. Well done George. :mad:

Are you implying its georges fault we dont like aaarabs? I think they did a fine job of pissing us off all on their own.:redhot:

Changleen

03-02-2006, 04:10 PM

Are you implying its georges fault we dont like aaarabs? I think they did a fine job of pissing us off all on their own.:redhot:George makes it OK that people like you don't engage their own brains.

jimmydean

03-02-2006, 04:10 PM

I thnk they are just as bad off as they would be with ANYONE. They are a huge security risk, period.

There is next to nothing done to secure them now, so a change in management means nothing.

Echo

03-02-2006, 04:24 PM

Are you implying its georges fault we dont like aaarabs? I think they did a fine job of pissing us off all on their own.:redhot:
Next thing you know everyone will hate Japanese people because North Korea has a nuclear bomb.

sanjuro

03-02-2006, 04:35 PM

I have to agree something is fishy.

Nothing wrong with an ex-president advising a US ally about acquiring US property.

Nothing wrong a senator speaking against it.

Something wrong about these two people sleeping together and not knowing something is up.

Unless...

The Amish

03-02-2006, 07:18 PM

Next thing you know everyone will hate Japanese people because North Korea has a nuclear bomb.

NO we hate japanese people cause of pearl harbor. If it wasnt for the nips being so good at building ships, we could've got along

bigdrop05

03-03-2006, 07:19 AM

Obiously the USA has a big military as we all know.But USA is failing economicaly!!!!!!!!
If we are the most powerful nation on the planet-then why aren't WE buying the ports,eh,eh ?

Whoever has the most $$ wins it looks to me..

USA government screwed up Social Security,TAXES,& has a BIG deficit....Oh yeah everything is just perfect here my arse....We will end up like Russia in the near future .China will probably be the next superpower ?
Our crazy politics,mainstream media,liberal vs republican,lawsuit happy,high fuel price way of life is depressing.Our auto manufacturers are sucking.Unions suck IMO.Schools are being infested with liberal rants in school classes- about how the goverment is awesome & capitolism is bad{thats just what i hear is going on}...etc.etc.etc.
Jeez....

Ok pick & paste to your hearts content all you know it alls.

Old Man G Funk

03-03-2006, 07:32 AM

Schools are being infested with liberal rants in school classes- about how the goverment is awesome & capitolism is bad{thats just what i hear is going on}....
A) Just what you hear? I don't think I have to go there.
B) I can't for the life of me figure out why a liberal would go on a pro-government rant right now. Bush is in the white house. Conservatives have majorities in both houses of congress. Bush just put two very conservative justices on the Supreme Court, thereby swinging the balance in a lot of tight cases...Yeah, I can see why liberals would be singing the praises of the government right now....:rolleyes:

bigdrop05

03-03-2006, 08:09 AM

2008 !

Old Man G Funk

03-03-2006, 08:18 AM

2008 !
I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but "2008" what?

fluff

03-03-2006, 08:19 AM

poodle
Fixed.:)

Old Man G Funk

03-03-2006, 08:20 AM

Fixed.:)
:rofl:

Nice one fluff.

BurlyShirley

03-03-2006, 08:35 AM

Because the American voting public is inherantly racist, AND unable to differentiate in any real way between one Arab country and another. Well done George. :mad:

WTF?

Anyone else see something COMPLETELY RETARDED about this statement?

It's Bush's opponents (oddly enough, the same ones against racial profiling:think: ) that are fine with a British company doing this, but not with an Arab company. How the hell is that Bush's fault?

You are a real piece of work, man.

Old Man G Funk

03-03-2006, 08:40 AM

WTF?

Anyone else see something COMPLETELY RETARDED about this statement?

It's Bush's opponents (oddly enough, the same ones against racial profiling:think: ) that are fine with a British company doing this, but not with an Arab company. How the hell is that Bush's fault?

You are a real piece of work, man.
The ignorance of the American public is not Bush's fault. The steps that he has taken to paint an us vs. them dynamic are his fault. Where one stops and the other begins, I can't really say. I wouldn't go so far as to say that this particular case is all Bush's fault, but certainly his rhetoric only added fuel to the fire.

BurlyShirley

03-03-2006, 08:46 AM

The ignorance of the American public is not Bush's fault. The steps that he has taken to paint an us vs. them dynamic are his fault. Where one stops and the other begins, I can't really say. I wouldn't go so far as to say that this particular case is all Bush's fault, but certainly his rhetoric only added fuel to the fire.
I dont think Bush has at all painted and us vs. them mentality with the arab countries, just with extremists, and that should be obvious to anyone who is paying attention. He has made it a point in nearly every speech to say that muslims are good people, they deserve freedom, etc. I find it hilarious that you guys are now bashing him for working more closely with an arab country. You bunch of freaking racists is what you are.

Old Man G Funk

03-03-2006, 08:55 AM

I dont think Bush has at all painted and us vs. them mentality with the arab countries, just with extremists, and that should be obvious to anyone who is paying attention. He has made it a point in nearly every speech to say that muslims are good people, they deserve freedom, etc.
Yeah, and he also compared this to the Crusades. He's talked about how god (not allah) called him to defeat this evil. He's also linked a secularist Arab country (Iraq) to the extremists and attacked them, which would tend to confuse people and make them think that all Arabs are bad.
I find it hilarious that you guys are now bashing him for working more closely with an arab country. You bunch of freaking racists is what you are.
I'm sorry, did you just say what I think you just said? What alternate reality are you in? You just called me a racist for "bashing [Bush] for working more closely with an arab [sic] country." Um, when did I do that? Who is "you guys?" You don't have a leg to stand on right now, especially since you are responding to Chang's statement about the American public being racist for people NOT supporting this deal.

BurlyShirley

03-03-2006, 09:06 AM

Yeah, and he also compared this to the Crusades. He's talked about how god (not allah) called him to defeat this evil. He's also linked a secularist Arab country (Iraq) to the extremists and attacked them, which would tend to confuse people and make them think that all Arabs are bad.

I'm sorry, did you just say what I think you just said? What alternate reality are you in? You just called me a racist for "bashing [Bush] for working more closely with an arab [sic] country." Um, when did I do that? Who is "you guys?" You don't have a leg to stand on right now, especially since you are responding to Chang's statement about the American public being racist for people NOT supporting this deal.
God y Allah = same thing. Im sure you know that tho. That some idiots got confused is not his fault.
I wasnt referring to you specifically for being racist as noted by the "bunch" in case you missed that. Unless it is that you refer to yourself as "bunch" for some reason. If you arent one bashing bush for working with an arab country, the statement doesnt apply. Sorry if unclear.

fluff

03-03-2006, 09:07 AM

BurlyShirley

03-03-2006, 09:12 AM

Are you seriously suggesting that Bush thinks Allah is talking to him?
Well, if you consider that Allah and God are the same thing...and that he thinks god talks to him, well, I guess you have your answer.

fluff

03-03-2006, 09:18 AM

Well, if you consider that Allah and God are the same thing...and that he thinks god talks to him, well, I guess you have your answer.
In order for Bush to believe Allah is speaking to him he would have to believe in Islam. Otherwise it is Jehovah (assuming he is Christian).

Old Man G Funk

03-03-2006, 09:19 AM

God y Allah = same thing. Im sure you know that tho. That some idiots got confused is not his fault.
I wasnt referring to you specifically for being racist as noted by the "bunch" in case you missed that. Unless it is that you refer to yourself as "bunch" for some reason. If you arent one bashing bush for working with an arab country, the statement doesnt apply. Sorry if unclear.
I don't know, maybe it was the fact that you were answering my quote and saying "you guys" that gave me the idea that you were calling me racist.

I hope "you guys" includes all the Republicans who have the same fears about this deal as the other nebulous people in the "you guys" and "you bunch".

I see what you are saying in that semantically allah = god, but if you really think Bush is talking about allah and not the protestant Christian god, then we have to wonder, once again, what alternate reality you are living in.

BurlyShirley

03-03-2006, 11:05 AM

In order for Bush to believe Allah is speaking to him he would have to believe in Islam. Otherwise it is Jehovah (assuming he is Christian).
Muslims and Christians believe in the same god, regardless of the name they give it.

fluff

03-03-2006, 11:18 AM

Muslims and Christians believe in the same god, regardless of the name they give it.
So why do Muslims see Christians as infidels and Christians see Muslims as heathens I wonder?

BurlyShirley

03-03-2006, 11:19 AM

So why do Muslims see Christians as infidels and Christians see Muslims as heathens I wonder?
That's the kicker of the whole ****ing thing isnt it? Muslims, Jews and Christians are just a prophet or two off from being THE EXACT SAME RELIGION! They all worship the same overlord.

fluff

03-03-2006, 11:25 AM

That's the kicker of the whole ****ing thing isnt it? Muslims, Jews and Christians are just a prophet or two off from being THE EXACT SAME RELIGION! They all worship the same overlord.
Shee-it bro'; even amongst those groups there are major schisms - Catholic/Protestant, Shia/Sunni, Jews/Dews and so on...

valve bouncer

03-03-2006, 11:28 AM

Jews/Dews and so on...
Ahahahaa.

BurlyShirley

03-03-2006, 11:29 AM

Shee-it bro'; even amongst those groups there are major schisms - Catholic/Protestant, Shia/Sunni, Jews/Dews and so on...
Yer right. Its a ****ed up thing that people who all believe in the same god see each other as evil or wrong or whatever enough to kill them for it. Thats the irony of religion I guess.

fluff

03-03-2006, 11:30 AM

Ahahahaa.
Hey, I can't remember the Jewish splits, so bite me....

Something like haematic, hermatic, hemorhoidic, hermaphroditic.. sure it begins with an 'h'...

BurlyShirley

03-03-2006, 11:31 AM

Hey, I can't remember the Jewish splits, so bite me....

Something like haematic, hermatic, hemorhoidic, hermaphroditic.. sure it begins with an 'h'...
There's Orthodox and everyone else...

fluff

03-03-2006, 11:32 AM

Yer right. Its a ****ed up thing that people who all believe in the same god see each other as evil or wrong or whatever enough to kill them for it. Thats the irony of religion I guess.
It's just like when my catholic cousin told her father that she wanted to become a prostitute, he only calmed down when he found out that she hadn't actually said protestant...

fluff

03-03-2006, 11:32 AM

There's Orthodox and everyone else...
Unorthodox?

BurlyShirley

03-03-2006, 11:34 AM

Unorthodox?
I was going to say that, but i think there's a bunch of different ones listed under that grouping. Like Mormojews and stuff.

valve bouncer

03-03-2006, 11:36 AM

Hey, I can't remember the Jewish splits, so bite me....

Something like haematic, hermatic, hemorhoidic, hermaphroditic.. sure it begins with an 'h'...
Whatever they're called, Dews is a much better name.:rofl:

valve bouncer

03-03-2006, 11:38 AM

It's just like when my catholic cousin told her father that she wanted to become a prostitute, he only calmed down when he found out that she hadn't actually said protestant...
Bloody hell...and you gave ME a hard time about ressurecting old jokes.:mumble: ;)

fluff

03-03-2006, 11:41 AM

Bloody hell...and you gave ME a hard time about ressurecting old jokes.:mumble: ;)
D'you know the one about Ian Paisley's calendar? - January, February, March, March, March, March...

valve bouncer

03-03-2006, 11:47 AM

D'you know the one about Ian Paisley's calendar? - January, February, March, March, March, March...
The only vaguely Northern Ireland joke I know is...."How do you fit 5 members of the royal family in a mini?
The Queen and Prince Philip, in the front, Charles and Anne in the back and Lord Mountbatten in the ashtray."

noname

03-03-2006, 11:49 AM

it's orthodox and Hacidic jews, there's also some strange sect my dad's friend is in that are Jewish but believe in Christ, WTFWJD?

stinkyboy

03-03-2006, 12:20 PM

http://wnymedia.net/video/BushFamilyTiesToUnitedArabEmerites.wmv

Old Man G Funk

03-03-2006, 12:35 PM

That's the kicker of the whole ****ing thing isnt it? Muslims, Jews and Christians are just a prophet or two off from being THE EXACT SAME RELIGION! They all worship the same overlord.
But Christians see Jesus as a part of the triune god. Muslims and Jews do not. If anything, you might be able to say that Muslims and Jews have the same god (how ironic), but Christians do not.

fluff

03-03-2006, 01:06 PM

But Christians see Jesus as a part of the triune god. Muslims and Jews do not. If anything, you might be able to say that Muslims and Jews have the same god (how ironic), but Christians do not.
Ah, now not all Christians believe in the Holy Trinity..

MudGrrl

03-03-2006, 01:08 PM

Ah, now not all Christians believe in the Holy Trinity..

yeah!

I dont believe in the Holy Trinity!!!!

wait a second, I don't think I'm Christian either....

Old Man G Funk

03-03-2006, 01:10 PM

Ah, now not all Christians believe in the Holy Trinity..
All Christians (with the exception of Andyman and his sect I think) do believe in the divinity of Jesus at least, right?

fluff

03-03-2006, 01:10 PM

All Christians (with the exception of Andyman and his sect I think) do believe in the divinity of Jesus at least, right?
Nope. (Although it does kinda depend how you define Christian, of course.)

Christadelphians, for a start, don't.

Old Man G Funk

03-03-2006, 01:27 PM

Nope. (Although it does kinda depend how you define Christian, of course.)

Christadelphians, for a start, don't.
Whether they admit it or not, Jesus as a "son of god" is at least a demi-god and therefore divine.

atrokz

03-03-2006, 01:56 PM

All Christians (with the exception of Andyman and his sect I think) do believe in the divinity of Jesus at least, right?

would make sense considering the religion itself is called 'Christ'anity.

narlus

03-03-2006, 02:10 PM

All Christians (with the exception of Andyman and his sect I think) do believe in the divinity of Jesus at least, right?

what sect is andyman?

i thought the father, son & holy ghost were SOP for christianity.

kidwoo

03-03-2006, 02:31 PM

what sect is andyman?

i thought the father, son & holy ghost were SOP for christianity.

Yeah you know that always bugged me in (parochial) high school. We've got pretty boy swede jeebus oils on velvet, a gawd or two in on the Sistine Chapel.......but where's the ghost?

Is he like the silent pardner or somethin'?

BurlyShirley

03-03-2006, 02:51 PM

narlus

03-03-2006, 03:00 PM

Yeah you know that always bugged me in (parochial) high school. We've got pretty boy swede jeebus oils on velvet, a gawd or two in on the Sistine Chapel.......but where's the ghost?

Is he like the silent pardner or somethin'?

he's the invisible hand.

no wait, that's the Market Force (thanks, adam smith).

kidwoo

03-03-2006, 03:01 PM

he's the invisible hand.

no wait, that's the Market Force (thanks, adam smith).

Maybe he's the laissez fairy?

narlus

03-03-2006, 03:05 PM

Maybe he's the laissez fairy?

well played. :rofl:

MikeD

03-03-2006, 04:10 PM

well played. :rofl:

A bit showy and self-indulgent, but undeniably a good shot.

kidwoo

03-03-2006, 04:18 PM

A bit showy and self-indulgent,

I often masturbate with big band music blaring while eating a doughnut and screaming my own name

stinkyboy

03-03-2006, 04:30 PM

I often masturbate with big band musing blaring while eating a doughnut and screaming my own name

:rofl:

beestiboy

03-04-2006, 01:42 AM

Because the American voting public is inherantly racist, AND unable to differentiate in any real way between one Arab country and another. Well done George. :mad:

Do you realize that Bush is ok with the deal going through? Sometimes I wonder if your only purpose is to find something to slam Bush on.

It was really just the politicians and unions making a stink about this because they want to use it for political gain. It is hardly even being discussed compared to a week ago.

MMike

03-04-2006, 12:31 PM

I often masturbate with big band music blaring while eating a doughnut and screaming my own name

I thought I was the only one.

fluff

03-05-2006, 06:22 AM

Whether they admit it or not, Jesus as a "son of god" is at least a demi-god and therefore divine.
Also "son of man" and in fact a man, so whilst immortal, not divine. They also do no believe in the Holy Spirit as a separate entity, simply God's holy power in 'bottled' form.

And no devil, no hell.

fluff

03-05-2006, 06:28 AM

I thought I was the only one.
You scream Kidwoo's name when you masturbate? I didn't realise you guys were so close.

MMike

03-05-2006, 12:34 PM

You scream Kidwoo's name when you masturbate? I didn't realise you guys were so close.

He's dreamy....

Old Man G Funk

03-06-2006, 05:37 AM

Also "son of man" and in fact a man, so whilst immortal, not divine. They also do no believe in the Holy Spirit as a separate entity, simply God's holy power in 'bottled' form.

And no devil, no hell.
Whether they really do or do not have some sort of divinity of Christ thing going on is really beside the original point.

Bush does think Jesus is Lord (part of god and divine) and when he speaks of god he certainly isn't speaking of the Jewish or Muslim god.

fluff

03-06-2006, 07:33 AM

Whether they really do or do not have some sort of divinity of Christ thing going on is really beside the original point.

Bush does think Jesus is Lord (part of god and divine) and when he speaks of god he certainly isn't speaking of the Jewish or Muslim god.
Sheesh, just 'cos you didn't know something is no reason to get all huffy. I never said it had anything to do with the original point that Bush doesn't think Allah talks to him. It's not like MMike's obsession with Kidwoo is relevant either but you not getting snippy with him.

Some people...

Old Man G Funk

03-06-2006, 07:43 AM

Sheesh, just 'cos you didn't know something is no reason to get all huffy. I never said it had anything to do with the original point that Bush doesn't think Allah talks to him. It's not like MMike's obsession with Kidwoo is relevant either but you not getting snippy with him.

Some people...
Sorry bro, didn't mean to make you think I was getting snippy. I'm not. Personally, I think they are confused about what being a son of a god really means, but I guess that's beside the point.

Either way, it's Monday morning, and me no think good right now.

03-06-2006, 08:48 AM

:weee:

Hillary Clinton 'unaware' of Bill's Dubai ties
Stephanie Kirchgaessner
Financial Times
Updated: 3:12 a.m. ET March 4, 2006

Hillary Clinton, a leading opponent of DP World's takeover of some US port operations, was this week forced to admit that she did not know her husband had advised Dubai leaders on how to handle the growing dispute.

But former President Bill Clinton's ties to Dubai and the United Arab Emirates should not have come as a surprise to his New York senator wife.

Mrs Clinton's own senatorial financial disclosure forms reveal that her husband earned $450,000 giving speeches in Dubai in 2002.

Officials from the UAE also donated between $500,000 and $1m to fund Mr Clinton's presidential library in Arkansas.

It was part of an effort by the emirates, said a person close to UAE officials, to forge a close relationship with a former US president who is influential and highly regarded in the region.

Mr Clinton's admiration for the UAE was last on display in November, when he made his fourth visit to the American University in Dubai and met students participating in the Clinton scholarship programme.

The UAE has also contributed $100m to Hurricane Katrina relief funds – which Mr Clinton had a leading role in raising.

Mrs Clinton's tough stance that the deal represented an "unacceptable risk" to national security has caused UAE officials some consternation.

Regarded as the leading Democratic candidate for the 2008 presidential elections, she has used the deal – which polls show is disliked by most Americans – and the anti-Arab sentiment it sparked to attack the Bush administration on national security, an issue that has been seen as a weak point for Democrats.

Although Mrs Clinton has been careful not to criticise the UAE directly, her stance has put her in the same camp as legislators who openly accuse Dubai of helping to finance the September 11 terrorist attacks and deem the UAE untrustworthy.

Privately, some Democrats see the revelations about his ties to the UAE as a classic Clinton dilemma. Mrs Clinton told the New York Post on Thursday that she did not know her husband had been contacted by Dubai officials two weeks ago and offered them advice on the deal. Although both Hillary and Bill Clinton say he stands behind her on the issue and there is no direct conflict, his relationship to the UAE has complicated her political stance on the transaction.

Meanwhile, the UAE has sought to quell the backlash against the takeover by hiring some Clinton officials to lobby on Dubai's behalf.