Norba #1

[THEDUDE]

I CAN"T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/F-022606.mpg

[santacruzer87]

is that the expert course?

[bikenweed]

Nice vid, how did the race go for ya?

[biker3]

is that the expert course?

hopefully not.

[DylanDeanDesign]

no comment:rolleyes: :help:

[santacruzer87]

no comment:rolleyes: :help:

oh lord, it will be good for mountain biking as a whole. Read the last issue of Decline, mountain bikers have been complaining about lack of exposure and lack of spectators. Having nationals in urban areas like this and Sonoma will definetly help with exposure, but the courses are so.....crappy. I think its ok though, I like having courses like this that are easy to get to and really easy for a lot of people to see and become exposed to DH mtbm and we still have rider oriented courses like Brian Head and Mt. Snow....I just wish it was a little steeper......


-Ryan

but anyway read Decline, I think courses like Fontana and Sonoma are what we asked for.

[surfinguru]

And I thought Sea Otter was a big pedal fest - holy crap that looks like a lot pedaling going on there. I'm digging the ghetto fence line though...nice vid btw.

[Cant Climb]

looks pretty cool.....

the long pedaling section through the backyards seem a bit too long though......get a whiff of BBQ :hot: just as you ready to puke...

[Transcend]

oh lord, it will be good for mountain biking as a whole. Read the last issue of Decline, mountain bikers have been complaining about lack of exposure and lack of spectators. Having nationals in urban areas like this and Sonoma will definetly help with exposure, but the courses are so.....crappy. I think its ok though, I like having courses like this that are easy to get to and really easy for a lot of people to see and become exposed to DH mtbm and we still have rider oriented courses like Brian Head and Mt. Snow....I just wish it was a little steeper......


-Ryan

but anyway read Decline, I think courses like Fontana and Sonoma are what we asked for.

I guarantee you that the only spectators will be family and other racers, as usual. Maybe a few people peeking over their fences. The problem isn't that the venues are hard to get to, it's that the sport sucks to watch if you don't actively do it as well.

Dunno about you, but I'd prefer to go to somewhere like big bear to watch an event if I lived within an hour or 2, then some hole in the ground. That's just me though.

Hopefully that course doesn't get completely blown up before the national though..looks like the type of dirt that could.

[santacruzer87]

ha, yea I thought that was just kinda weird, I think Fontana is sort of a strange place to race.

-Ryan

[mxer338]

wait, thats a dh course?
:help:

[merrrrjig]

that is one of the many course on the hill, it is not the only one. I think it was a short course and they will most likely have a longer one for the national. They will also hopefully take out the wall section for the national~ is the download stopping like right b4 the guy gets on the course?

[Jimmy_Pop]

that's the kind of course that Santa Cruz should sponsor the DH race and let the racers compete on furnished, identical Nomads.

[Heath Sherratt]

Fontana is so fun. It may not be adrenaline fest 2006 but it's good riding and you do have to have some skill to win it. There are a lot of really good locals there that kill it and will have a huge advantage it being their home course. Donnie puts on a great race and is very organized. I am looking forward to it for sure. H

[SPrider]

very untechnical and that course didn't show much of any rocks, and get ready to pedal into up hill corners and pedal for about a half mile with wind, definetly not a dh bike course, bust out the hardtails haha

[bballe336]

I'm not exactly an amazingly good or even fast rider but that looks a little too easy (even for me). No rockgardens or anything steep? Hopefull the other trails are more challenging.

[Metal]

Fontana can be a lot of fun depending on the course configuration. It can also be very boring and not worth the 45 minute drive from my house when there are unflowy turns to up hill and that wall pedalling section. Check the video out on this link for what the courses could be like. I designed this one for the Cal Poly Pomona collegiate DH race. It was definitely a good thing to have a DH bike for this one.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135067&highlight=Sanjay+fontana

[surfinguru]

Now THAT was much more appealing....and more of what a DH course should be.

[bikenweed]

that's the kind of course that Santa Cruz should sponsor the DH race and let the racers compete on furnished, identical Nomads.

That's a great idea, and it would be awesome if it happened.

[riverside73]

Wow...that's a DH course? I guess not really, but it is a race course. lot of space on those backyard walls for the NORBA crew to hang the dwindling sponsors' banners.

[dhbuilder]

that is absolutely the most pathetic excuse for a downhill course.
and for it to be a norba national, makes it even worse.

a cool local playground at best.

[OGDMFG]

Prtetty sad that the promoters want to promote racing,
last year deer valley, they asked me to take down my banner off of truck, just because I did not buy into the pit area. pretty lame.
So I put up my ez up and hung it up under it.
It sucks when I pay to race my own stuff and some pud says I cannot promote my products.

just my ranting
norba has their head in the sand
we need a change

[coma13]

Fontana is definitely not the most extreme terrain you can ride, but you could definitely set up a pretty challenging course if you wanted. I'm curious to see what they do regarding the wall for the national.

Also, THIS VIDEO IS NOT THE NATIONAL COURSE. It's at the same place, but I guarantee the national course won't take that same trail.

[stiksandstones]

You guys are really pissing off THE DUDE...lay off or he will condemn you all to hell.

[SuspectDevice]

That course abides.

It also looks fun to me. Why can't we have a national on a track like that? We used to race in Michigan, on a much shorter and less technical track, and it made for great racing.

[Sherpa]

hopefully not.

:stupid: Looks like a CX bike could ride it fast.

[sayndesyn]

What are you complaining about? Looks like a decent SuperD course... hahahah

[blt2ride]

I raced the course, and thought that it was fast and fun. Donnie puts on a great race series, and does a great job keeping the race scene alive in Southern California. The rider turn-out has been great this season--at one race there were almost 30 riders in my class alone. In addition, there has been a pretty good pro turn-out at every race: Carter, Riffle, Houseman, Waylon Smith, Cody Warren.

That particular course wasn’t the most technical, but it definitely had some tough corners and off-camber sections. It's always funny to hear people complain about things that don't know too much about...everyone is a critic.

Bottom-line, I would rather race a course like that, than sit in front of my computer and complain about a place I have never been to...

[W4S]

To be fair, the helmet cam was on the head of a sport class rider, may have even been his first race, I wouldn't expect the video to look good if he was in Whistler. The course was really fun and flowy and, while not especially technical in the traditional sense, it was more of a riders course where picking lines and keeping momentum are really important. If you didn't have fun riding it then you don't like mountain biking.

I spoke with Don during practice on Saturday, he said 'The wall' won't be part of the Nationals race and that he does have plans to build a good course. Fontana has awesome technical trails, Don just doesn't make the most technical courses on race day, but I'm sure he feels the pressure of putting on a great National.

[Zutroy]

Why is everyone so negative? Is Fontana the hardest course on the planet NO, is it the easist no. The helmet camera footage is pretty blah compared to what it was, alot of that stuff was very loose and very off camber, take a look at the pics in the Socal section http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23498&page=256

Yeah the wall sucks....but as it was said he's not using it, we didn't use it for the state race either. Donnie isen't sharing much about the national course.


People should be happy guys like Donnie stepped it up and are hosting a race. He wants people to have fun, he cares that the riders get something outta national even if he has to go do it himself, like get ODI to do custom grips for the winners, they're giving away bikes in raffles to the races....stuff like that.

[Metal]

I spoke with Don during practice on Saturday, he said 'The wall' won't be part of the Nationals race and that he does have plans to build a good course.

I saw this random berm in the middle of no where on the hill. Is this going to somehow become part of a DH course for the National. The berm actually looked very well constructed, but I saw nothing going into it, or exiting it.

[merrrrjig]

ya I saw that too sanjay, super random, didnt even look like anyone had ridden it. I think it would be cool if he built some burmed turns!

[Zutroy]

I saw this random berm in the middle of no where on the hill. Is this going to somehow become part of a DH course for the National. The berm actually looked very well constructed, but I saw nothing going into it, or exiting it.


Could be, there was a rumor that somehow we were going to start higher up on the hill too. Isn't there a backside fireroad out there?

[Winston]

Very perceptive. That was my second career DH race.

I made the video not as a preview of the Norba race but as a look at the local Fontana series.

Hopefully it encourages other riders to give DH racing a try. Also it gives friends and family a chance to see what the race is like.

It is well organized, lots of fun and everyone there seems to have a good attitude. (Which encourages folks on the fence like me to keep coming back for more.)

- Winston

To be fair, the helmet cam was on the head of a sport class rider, may have even been his first race, I wouldn't expect the video to look good if he was in Whistler...

[Transcend]

The video footage itself was great, and the compression was perfect. Good stuff.

[Zutroy]

Very perceptive. That was my second career DH race.

I made the video not as a preview of the Norba race but as a look at the local Fontana series.

Hopefully it encourages other riders to give DH racing a try. Also it gives friends and family a chance to see what the race is like.

It is well organized, lots of fun and everyone there seems to have a good attitude. (Which encourages folks on the fence like me to keep coming back for more.)

- Winston


Cool to hear, welcome to the club. Hope to see you out there more.

I do gotta say there were alot of people out there watching this weekend, i noticed it on the run, bu the video really shows it.

[Jeremy R]

Very perceptive. That was my second career DH race.

I made the video not as a preview of the Norba race but as a look at the local Fontana series.

Hopefully it encourages other riders to give DH racing a try. Also it gives friends and family a chance to see what the race is like.

It is well organized, lots of fun and everyone there seems to have a good attitude. (Which encourages folks on the fence like me to keep coming back for more.)

- Winston

That's great man. Thanks for posting.
Alot of the people on here are seasoned guys who are jaded with Norba in general. Therefore they are more negative than normal.
But you being out there and racing and having fun is what it is all about. Keep it up.

[biker3]

Yeah, I wasn't trying to biff on the vid at all. I appreciate the time and the quality. I just hope the course will be a little bit more dialed but either way, the riding will be good.

[lonewolfe]

I think the video was cool and I see nothing wrong with the location. I've heard of Donnie and what he's doing down there is great! The course is accesable to a lot of people without having to drive 3-4 hours to get there. Grass roots racing is kick ass in my opinion. Those kind of events are really fun!

We have our own Bay Area grassroots race coming up in March, The Coral Hollow Downhill Race, formerly known as the Groovy Gravity Games. These types of events are the most fun as far as I'm concerned. This years race is going to ROCK!

[lonewolfe]

I think the video was cool and I see nothing wrong with the location. I've heard of Donnie and what he's doing down there is great! The course is accesable to a lot of people without having to drive 3-4 hours to get there. Grass roots racing is kick ass in my opinion. Those kind of events are really fun!

We have our own Bay Area grassroots race coming up in March, The Coral Hollow Downhill Race, formerly known as the Groovy Gravity Games. These types of events are the most fun as far as I'm concerned. This years race is going to ROCK!

Here's a link to a helmet cam video of the CHDH race coming up in March in Livermore, CA

http://www.alloutprodux.com/carnegiehelmetcam.mov

More info can be found at: www.ridesfo.com

[riverside73]

That course abides.

Why can't we have a national on a track like that?

Because you don't want spandex wearing XC sportos giving Expert DH'ers a run for their money because they can pedal faster. That's what Super D is for.

DH has gotten progressively steeper, more rocks, huge drops, tight trees and so on. Except for when it comes to the NORBA Nationals...they seem to be going backwards.

[Micro-Sanjay]

'The wall' won't be part of the Nationals race

That sucks.

I heard that he's also bringing back the DH Freeride Comp. for a Monday event.

[SuspectDevice]

Because you don't want spandex wearing XC sportos giving Expert DH'ers a run for their money because they can pedal faster. That's what Super D is for.

DH has gotten progressively steeper, more rocks, huge drops, tight trees and so on. Except for when it comes to the NORBA Nationals...they seem to be going backwards.


You are SOOOO hardcore man!
Racers make the race, not the track.
If an expert DH racer can't out ride a sport XC racer then maybe we shoule re-evaluate the state of the sport. It is bicycle racing after all.


I always find it sad that my Expert BMX friends are usually closer to me at the end of a DH run than most of the folks who think they are hardcore expert DH racers, when in fact all they do is drag their brakes down a vertical trials course.
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album266/opentape.jpg
and heres a skinsuit picture just to piss you off.

[riverside73]

You are SOOOO hardcore man!
Racers make the race, not the track.
If an expert DH racer can't out ride a sport XC racer then maybe we shoule re-evaluate the state of the sport. It is bicycle racing after all.


I always find it sad that my Expert BMX friends are usually closer to me at the end of a DH run than most of the folks who think they are hardcore expert DH racers, when in fact all they do is drag their brakes down a vertical trials course.
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album266/opentape.jpg
and heres a skinsuit picture just to piss you off.

I am not really hardcore. I just believe in "the course" separating the disciplines. True racers are racing racers and not the course, but different courses should challenge the different disciplines as they should be. if racers are just racing racers...theoretically you could just have one course for everyone...XC, DH etc and everyone races their respective categories.

BTW, I am not a DH Racer. I am however a DH course builder who had a hand in building the DH course at Schweitzer in Idaho.

[BSX4ever22]

You are SOOOO hardcore man!
Racers make the race, not the track.
If an expert DH racer can't out ride a sport XC racer then maybe we shoule re-evaluate the state of the sport. It is bicycle racing after all.


I always find it sad that my Expert BMX friends are usually closer to me at the end of a DH run than most of the folks who think they are hardcore expert DH racers, when in fact all they do is drag their brakes down a vertical trials course.
http://www.hcor.net/gallery/album266/opentape.jpg
and heres a skinsuit picture just to piss you off.

Now that is full on roadie! He is even wearing shoe covers, ive never seen that in dh. Is this a new trend? haha

[Ian Collins]

sorry if this offends anyone that's amped that there is a national at fontucky, but

1) The course(s) are weak and have too much pedalling...kinda fun to do for kicks, but not cool for national race circuit level

2) There is no chairlift and the shuttle takes you 3/4ths of the way to the top

3) there isn't enough room for parking....not even close....hell there isn't enough room to park all the trucks that the teams pit out of....much less the people that are there to race just for fun....

4) the closest hotels in the area are run rampant with hookers because the town is along a truck route...basically every hotel is trashy and full of whores and tractor trailers....hey, free porn though!

5) it's in Los Angeles(SmeLL. A.) it's windy, smelly, smoggy, dusty and dry and in the middle of a residential area that happens to be in the middle of industrial squareland.....

call me cynical, but this is a bad idea and i'm really disappointed

[Zutroy]

Funny someone forgot to tell....NASCAR, AMA, IRL, AMLS, SCCA, and NHRA that Fontana is a horrible place to hold races, cause they all seem to hold them there down the street from us.

[Transcend]

Have you seen the typical Nascar/IRl fan?


They ain't F1, Big Bear lovin' types.

[konabiker]

I love Fontana. If I wasn't so lazy I would post some pictures of the awesome scenery around the area.

[Zutroy]

Have you seen the typical Nascar/IRl fan?


They ain't F1, Big Bear lovin' types.

Yeah, I use to live in Indy......

[anarchyUK]

thoes flats look like a killer...im so outa shape

[stiksandstones]

Zutroy, I usually think you have great insight and offer some great posts, but comparing the fontana raceway and motorsports racing industry to fontucky and the MTB industry is a little nuts.

Fontana raceway;
http://www.intellexual.net/fontana04.html

And I will not bother posting pics of the disgusting graffiti wall on the fontucky race course.

But your comments on this matter boil down to race car fans for the most part do not know MTBing exist AND the majority of the people that goto fontana to see a car race go because the venue is gorgeous and they will see car racing.

Whenever I take pictures of fontucky, it looks like a garbage dump (could be my sh1tty pics though ;) ). I have no doubt that this will probably be the best national in years from a organization standpoint (Donny is cream of the crop) but I just wish it was in a different venue-which I have beaten into the ground so I will leave it at that.

[THEDUDE]

bahahahah
http://media.putfile.com/I-think-I-messed-up

[Jeremy R]

bahahahah
http://media.putfile.com/I-think-I-messed-up


"Good job Bro, you cleared it!"

hahahahahahahaha

[stiksandstones]

bahahahah
http://media.putfile.com/I-think-I-messed-up

How can I write out the whiskey throttle sound?

'wheeeeeeeeehhhhnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn'

That video should be a lesson in proper rear shock setup buck rogers. haha

[mott7070]

very untechnical and that course didn't show much of any rocks, and get ready to pedal into up hill corners and pedal for about a half mile with wind, definetly not a dh bike course, bust out the hardtails haha

Is that why 25% of the riders crashed in their race run?

Mott

[Transcend]

Is that why 25% of the riders crashed in their race run?

Mott

If you've been to many other nationals you should already know the answer to this.

Sport/expert practice usually has 50% of riders crashing in their race run (or more).

[mott7070]

25% is high for Fontana.

[Transcend]

25% is high for Fontana.

Perhaps because the courses are simple?

I think the guy you responded to already posted this.

[mott7070]

Perhaps because the courses are simple?

I think the guy you responded to already posted this.

First off the original question was rhetorical. What I was trying to get across was that this particular course had some pretty technical features to it.

Mott

[Transcend]

First off the original question was rhetorical. What I was trying to get across was that this particular course had some pretty technical features to it.

Mott

right. Then you said lots of people crashed, 25%. And I said many more crash at normal national events. then you said 25% is high for fontana.

ie: fontana has less crashes then other nationals. Therefore, figuring we have the same talent pool, we can deduce that the fontana courses are much more simple.

This agrees with what the guy above you said, they aren't very technical compared to other courses. :weee:

[bjanga]

The video footage itself was great, and the compression was perfect. Good stuff.
I agree, I like helmetcam stuff.

[Transcend]

I agree, I like helmetcam stuff.

Same, only usually it makes me want to barf. Bouncing around, horrible quality to begin with and then bad compression for the web.

This stuff was actually enjoyable to watch, and i didn't get motion sickness.

[CBJ]

The problem isn't that the venues are hard to get to, it's that the sport sucks to watch if you don't actively do it as well.

Isn't it more lack of interest and poor marketing. I have been to the Tour de France and there is more action at local DH race than at the Tour. The action at the Tour is created by a lot of people excited about the sport and cycling something you see less of here in the states. There are a lot of sport on TV that sucks to watch but there is just a big enough fan base to put it on TV.

[bjanga]

I watched the carnegie footage, and I think I would rather ride the Fontana sport course. The carnegie stuff has no rocks.

Sanjay's vid looked tasty - maybe if the Fontana wall section was replaced with some of the rocks from Sanjay's video.

[Transcend]

Isn't it more lack of interest and poor marketing. I have been to the Tour de France and there is more action at local DH race than at the Tour. The action at the Tour is created by a lot of people excited about the sport and cycling something you see less of here in the states. There are a lot of sport on TV that sucks to watch but there is just a big enough fan base to put it on TV.

The amgen tour of california was ridiculously succesfull, with some insane amount of fans lining the course. Cycling is taking off in the states.

1 rider at a time, for 3 hours is pretty boring if you ask me.

Although the marketing (or lack thereof) surely isn't helping.

[stiksandstones]

The amgen tour of california was ridiculously succesfull, with some insane amount of fans lining the course. Cycling is taking off in the states.

1 rider at a time, for 3 hours is pretty boring if you ask me.

Although the marketing (or lack thereof) surely isn't helping.

Over a million spectators, more than the soccer world cup, X games, etc...TV time was very lacking, but I was impressed that many people came out for road racing.

[Transcend]

Over a million spectators, more than the soccer world cup, X games, etc...TV time was very lacking, but I was impressed that many people came out for road racing.

I'd honestly watch road racing long before i watched MTBing.

[stiksandstones]

Did someone explain how the guy that did the helmet cam made it so smooth? that was impressive alone, I mean he was going slow, but still, was smooth. (sorry if I missed the reason)

[Transcend]

Did someone explain how the guy that did the helmet cam made it so smooth? that was impressive alone, I mean he was going slow, but still, was smooth. (sorry if I missed the reason)

I'm waiting to hear as well. Helmet cam footage that doesn't make me barf, revolutionary!

[Zutroy]

Zutroy, I usually think you have great insight and offer some great posts, but comparing the fontana raceway and motorsports racing industry to fontucky and the MTB industry is a little nuts.

Thanks for the props Stik, my main arguement is that the Cali speedway is pretty ghetto, compared to alot of the other tracks around the country, but they race there, cause there is a need to have a race in the SOcal market. I'm looking at Fontana was that. There is a need, it's the only available venue to use at the moment. I'm sure the guys racing at the speedways would like to have a setting more like Laguna Seca if they could have it, just like we'd like to have a better setting.

Also lets be honest the national series is far from a high end series as it is.....a crappy venue run well is probably a step up. I went to Park City last year, a great venue, but I don't really have a desire to go back because of how the race was run.

Anyway on to the other topic...the nice helmet cam footage, here is out film maker in action.

http://www.dirtfocus.com/photos2006/02-26_font-w4/font-w4-dbt-IMG_7072.JPG

[merrrrjig]

ahha, I remember seeing that guy, I thought that helmet cam was gunna be gone by the end of the weekend, one fall and its gone. oh ya, and not all the hotels around there are super ghetto, theres some nice ones in ontario by the hotel

[Winston]

Thanks guys.

One of the advantages to having the camcorder up on the helmet is that it allows the camcorder's anti-shake circuitry to do its job. (You don't get this benefit with a lipstick lense.)

Did someone explain how the guy that did the helmet cam made it so smooth? that was impressive alone, I mean he was going slow, but still, was smooth. (sorry if I missed the reason)

[stiksandstones]

Thanks guys.

One of the advantages to having the camcorder up on the helmet is that it allows the camcorder's anti-shake circuitry to do its job. (You don't get this benefit with a lipstick lense.)

Ahh, job well done then...and in hindsight, I meant no harm with the 'was going slow' comment.

[bjanga]

Is that a counter-balance on the other side of your head?

[OGDMFG]

Hey zutroy, you are right about park city it was a joke, I live only an hour from there and I wished I had not gone,it used to be a fun venue.I don't know if I will race there again, maybe I will change my mind.

[Winston]

Yep, fishing weights inside a plastic snack bag which is covered by an Oakley sunglasses bag.

I followed Mountain Bike Bill's setup instructions (http://www.mountainbikebill.com/HowToVideo.htm).

It's a good setup that I have been running for over a year now. The only thing that I have replaced is the wide angle lens. (Bushwhacking takes its toll.)

Is that a counter-balance on the other side of your head?

[Ian Collins]

Did someone explain how the guy that did the helmet cam made it so smooth? that was impressive alone, I mean he was going slow, but still, was smooth. (sorry if I missed the reason)

have you been to fontana?....there are no rocks.....take a helmet cam down tunnel or cold springs and at any speed it won't look that smooth......it's because the course is so weak

[stiksandstones]

have you been to fontana?....there are no rocks.....take a helmet cam down tunnel or cold springs and at any speed it won't look that smooth......it's because the course is so weak

I would certainly hope I had been there since I have voiced my opinion about having a national there...so yeah, been there a few times to race and shoot pics. Agreed the other trails would not look as smooth, but I was still impressed with the smoothness-but my experience with taping/videoing tracks always proved to be unsuccessful...I simply just suck at it because I am too spaztic of a dh rider....well was (yeah have not done a DH run in ages).

[Winston]

True. Only been there once, but that is all it took to move those two trails to the top of my favorites list.

Cold Springs 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/Cold-Springs-061205.mpg) (8:24 at 63.5 MB)

Outtakes 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/SB-Outtakes-061205.mpg) (4:06 at 31.0 MB)

Tunnel 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/Tunnel-061205.mpg) (8:43 at 65.8 MB)

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have you been to fontana?....there are no rocks.....take a helmet cam down tunnel or cold springs and at any speed it won't look that smooth......it's because the course is so weak

[blt2ride]

True. Only been there once, but that is all it took to move those two trails to the top of my favorites list.

Cold Springs 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/Cold-Springs-061205.mpg) (8:24 at 63.5 MB)

Outtakes 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/SB-Outtakes-061205.mpg) (4:06 at 31.0 MB)

Tunnel 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/Tunnel-061205.mpg) (8:43 at 65.8 MB)

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Nice video of Tunnel and Cold Springs. Like a lot of photos and videos, it doesn't do it justice. I can't believe that you rode down Tunnel and CS without pads and a full-face helmet...

[bjanga]

From the vids, Tunnel and CS look about as gnarly as Noble . . . am I correct?

[Winston]

I'd say that Tunnel and CS are gnarlier than Noble.

Tunnel is one of the few trails were you want to stop and take break because you are tired from descending. (It's that rough.)

"Pinball" on Indian Creek Trail near Noble gets an honorable mention.

From the vids, Tunnel and CS look about as gnarly as Noble . . . am I correct?

[Zutroy]

Back to the Fontana thing, Appearently there is going to be a BG/SP course and a EX/Pro course.

[Ian Collins]

True. Only been there once, but that is all it took to move those two trails to the top of my favorites list.

Cold Springs 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/Cold-Springs-061205.mpg) (8:24 at 63.5 MB)

Outtakes 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/SB-Outtakes-061205.mpg) (4:06 at 31.0 MB)

Tunnel 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/Tunnel-061205.mpg) (8:43 at 65.8 MB)

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thanks for sharing man.....like blt2ride said, you're bananas to ride those trails without some pads....the videos came out really well.....i think if i saw helmet cam video of some faster guys that know the trails well(duncan, shaums, kircaldie) i'd throw up trying to watch

you've inspired me....i'm gonna go shuttle up there sometime in the next couple days....

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True. Only been there once, but that is all it took to move those two trails to the top of my favorites list.

Cold Springs 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/Cold-Springs-061205.mpg) (8:24 at 63.5 MB)

Outtakes 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/SB-Outtakes-061205.mpg) (4:06 at 31.0 MB)

Tunnel 06-12-05 (http://www.chainedrevolution.com/members/winston/videos/Tunnel-061205.mpg) (8:43 at 65.8 MB)

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Really nice vids, I can't wait to ride there again. No harm meant about not making Whistler look good, I just said that to add dramatic effect to the conversation. :rofl: