another quality human........

[partsbara]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060228/ap_on_re_us/teacher_sex_change

what a waste of fvckin DNA...

[Tenchiro]

Lets hope that "she" doesn't pull a Lafave. :dead:

[noname]

man, I feel bad for his/her three kids, don't know what I'd do if my dad had a takeadick-tomy and the whole world knew about it. ........

[SilentJ]

meh..There's a psych doctor at the childrens hospital that my GF works at that went from a man to a woman.

[robdamanii]

"There's really nothing to fear because a person is transgender," said Karina Mari, a mother of three school-age children who said she has transgender relatives.

Maybe not if the kids are exposed to it and it's explained. But jesus....how do you think Kindergarten kids will react and how can you explain that to them at that point?

I don't know if the psychology behind something like this has ever been studied, but I'm sure it's not the greatest thing to throw at very young children in their formative years.

I give him/her credit for actually standing up and putting up a fight to get back teaching though...

[partsbara]

i don t have kids, but if i did i couldn t imagine wanting this
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060228/capt.njmg10102280805.teacher_sex_change
as their teacher.........

edit - the photo was so evil it just wouldn t work ;)...

i agree rob, kindergarten.... for christ sake... talk about confusion... poor kids have enough BS in their lives without this freakshow...

[stinkyboy]

Well worth a X Post:

http://nandotimes.nandomedia.com/ips_rich_content/TEACHER_SEX_CHANGE_NJMG10102280805.jpg = http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/mtbnate/MTB%20Stuff/02_26_06_1435.jpg

:weee:

[Dirty]

what a waste of fvckin DNA...

are you serious? are you that closed minded?

[bikenweed]

Wow, what an interesting debate, I can really see both sides of the issue here.

I would definitely be wary of my kids being in her class, but that could easily be a result of my fear of transgender people, having never met such a person. Maybe these kids will grow up to be very tolerent, open minded, and respectful people. Maybe they will grow up to be completely wacky. Only one way to find out!

[macko]

I don't quite see the point of getting a sex change at the age of 71. It's not like she's go out and find herself a man to ... ugh. I'm stopping RIGHT THERE.

[OGRipper]

I am not a parent but you can't shelter your kids from the real world forever. And it seems that trying is only going to make them more curious.

Besides, she's better looking than some of the teachers I had!!

:love: :help:

[Ciaran]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060228/ap_on_re_us/teacher_sex_change

what a waste of fvckin DNA...
Don't be such an ass. Calling someone a waste of DNA is pretty dang harsh. This person is doing nothing to harm you or yours. Whether or not they should teach young children is debatable by people way more qualified then any of us.

So some dude wants to be a chick? Who cares? How does it harm you? It doesn't? At least he still looks like a guy so people can tell. No one will date her thinking that she's a real woman.

You guys are a bunch of trannyphobe meanies. :p

You better watch it or Michele will get ya...

http://www.punkduck.com/webimages/michele.jpg

[Ciaran]

PS.... Stosh would hit it!!!!!! :p :p :p

[partsbara]

are you serious? are you that closed minded?

you want to talk about close minded...

well i ve lived / worked (extended periods - over 18 months) in 4 different countries, both sides of the equator...
i ve been to more places in the world than you prolly know exist...
and i m teacher who was shunned and disrespected as i was a 'long haired surfer freak'...

so whatever blows ya hair back... i m refering to this 'waste of DNA' in context of the situation... teaching... i mean this 'person' is 71 years old... you honestly believe that his/her intentions are honourable ????

[partsbara]

Whether or not they should teach young children is debatable by people way more qualified then any of us.

So some dude wants to be a chick? Who cares? How does it harm you? It doesn't? At least he still looks like a guy so people can tell. No one will date her thinking that she's a real woman.

You guys are a bunch of trannyphobe meanies. :p

You better watch it or Michele will get ya...

http://www.punkduck.com/webimages/michele.jpg

honestly mate, i could care less what this, or any other freak wants to do... but you have to look at it in context...

i don t think you have kids (i could be wrong), but you don t want a say in who teaches your children ??? you d be in the minority....

[jdschall]

i agree rob, kindergarten.... for christ sake... talk about confusion... poor kids have enough BS in their lives without this freakshow...


Kids that age would have no idea nor would they care, they just want to play with their crayons.

It's us adults that project our percieved notions of sexuallity on to them (right or wrong). They barely know the difference between a pee pee and a who who.

Think about it for a minute. :mad:

[partsbara]

Kids that age would have no idea nor would they care, they just want to play with their crayons.

It's us adults that project our percieved notions of sexuallity on to them (right or wrong). They barely know the difference between a pee pee and a who who.

Think about it for a minute. :mad:

seriously, you need to give children more credit than that... you d be surprised what they know...

how do most kids form their opinions ?? from their parents - i m sure you ll agree...

think about what is said at the childs home by the parents... then think about little johnny talking to mark at break time... talk about wild fire...

[Ciaran]

honestly mate, i could care less what this, or any other freak wants to do... but you have to look at it in context...

i don t think you have kids (i could be wrong), but you don t want a say in who teaches your children ??? you d be in the minority....
I'm not saying that parents shouldn't have or don't have an interist in who teaches their kids. As I said above, the merits of this person teaching very young children is debateable by people more qualified than us. We would just be e-speculating. (Which is what we all do best!)

What I was taking issue with is you using quotation marks when calling this human being (just like you and me) a person. Typing 'person' denotes that you see this human as less of a human or somehow inferior to you. When the reality is that you only know TWO things about this person. 1) that they had a sex change, and 2) that they are a teacher.

What people are taking you to task for is not your love or hate towards transexual sex change people, but that you would treat this person with much the same attitude that slave traders looked at black people with.

Sure maybe teaching little kids is a bad idea. Hell, if I had kids I would NOT want this person teaching my kids. But that doesn't mean that I am a better person than them. Nor should I treat them as a second class person just because I don't agree with what they have done to their body. You grok what I am trying to say? (I don't always get my point across very well)

[jdschall]

seriously, you need to give children more credit than that... you d be surprised what they know...

how do most kids form their opinions ?? from their parents - i m sure you ll agree...

.

Sure they might know the physical differences between Johnny's peepee and MaryJane's whowho, I mean kids are kids and they are curious. But they have no idea what the implications of those differences are. They don't know what you used them for. Should they? Seems to me that kids get the "talk" around puberty not age 5.

think about what is said at the childs home by the parents... then think about little johnny talking to mark at break time... talk about wild fire

If the parents of the kids weren't close minded f*ups then that wouldn't happen now would it?

You make it sound like all gay, bi, trans, goat lovers, whatever are going to take your kid aside and molest them. That's a very ignorant view to have.

[jacksonpt]

It's an intresting topic. I have no problem with what she did, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd want her teaching my daughter (assuming he had previously taught my daughter). I know you can't shelter them for ever, but I'm not sure it's something a 5 year old should have to deal with.

All though it probably all falls back on the parent, and how they handle it. If I, as the parent, made a huge deal of it, then it would be a huge deal to my daugther. If not... then she probably wouldn't think twice about it.

[jdschall]

I'm not sure I'd want her teaching my daughter (assuming he had previously taught my daughter).


I think that children would be best suited to deal with this. I mean they are an open book. They don't have all the set biases adults have yet. They are very open minded and accept new ideas readily.

[stevew]

you honestly believe that his/her intentions are honourable ????
Maybe he just got tired of executing the "goat"*.
















*stupid movie reference*

[partsbara]

Sure they might know the physical differences between Johnny's peepee and MaryJane's whowho, I mean kids are kids and they are curious. But they have no idea what the implications of those differences are. They don't know what you used them for. Should they? Seems to me that kids get the "talk" around puberty not age 5.



If the parents of the kids weren't close minded f*ups then that wouldn't happen now would it?

You make it sound like all gay, bi, trans, goat lovers, whatever are going to take your kid aside and molest them. That's a very ignorant view to have.

close minded parents are 80% of the battle... having taught kids aged 6 - 18 i have to agree... but seriously, heaps of 'talk' happens waayyy before puberty...

you don t really know me so saying that i have a very 'ignorant' view is pretty much off the mark... thats not what i was trying to imply, merely the fact that this person really has no place teaching youngsters...

ciaran - i hear ya... sometimes my POV gets clouded also :)... especially tonight... last day of work - finished... already have 4 redbull / vodkas and a hashie pipe under the belt :)

[jacksonpt]

I think that children would be best suited to deal with this. I mean they are an open book. They don't have all the set biases adults have yet. They are very open minded and accept new ideas readily.
At first, I agree. I'm just not sure how I'd explain it to my daughter. She's only 4, but she's bright enough that she would pickup on the fact that 'he' (as far as she knows, she is a he) is now wearing dresses and has long hair. She'd comment on/ask about that, and I'm not sure how I'd explain it to her. I couldn't leave it as "some men like to wear dresses, honey"... so I'm not sure how to address her curiosity without getting into penises and vaginas and whatnot.

Now, you put her (the teacher, not my daughter) in a high school, or even junior high, and I have no problems with it in the least.

[partsbara]

Maybe he just got tired of executing the "goat"*.






















*stupid movie reference*

is that from 'mountain goat madness' IV or V ?? ;)

[partsbara]

so I'm not sure how to address her curiosity without getting into penises and vaginas and whatnot.



scary thought i imagine... especially with a 4 year old !!!

enough...

must s e l f med i ca t eeeeeee :)

[robdamanii]

Sure they might know the physical differences between Johnny's peepee and MaryJane's whowho, I mean kids are kids and they are curious. But they have no idea what the implications of those differences are. They don't know what you used them for. Should they? Seems to me that kids get the "talk" around puberty not age 5.




Not entirely sure as to the reliability of this, but I remember seeing somewhere that the average age a kid loses his/her virginity these days is 12-13. That's pretty early. I also seem to remember that the study showed that the age of sexual maturity is decreasing (girls hitting menarche around 9 or 10, possiblya year later later, I'm going from memory) as of late. That would mean that indeed, these kinds of issues will begin to crop up in places they shouldn't have to. The article stated she taught K-6th....I remember back in 4th grade getting sex ed (about....9 or 10 years old...I think). It's an interesting conflict if this particular teacher happens to be teaching sex ed.

I think that children would be best suited to deal with this. I mean they are an open book. They don't have all the set biases adults have yet. They are very open minded and accept new ideas readily.

You're quite correct that kids have no previous bias to work against, but I think the issue is this: if we're trying to define gender roles for males and females (whatever they may be these days, I'm no psychologist), what would having a teacher such as this do to those forming gender roles? I mean, there IS a societal expectation from both genders, or at least I think there is. A lot of the time you have kids getting a lot of that gender role from teachers as well as parents. I'm curious how a transgender teacher would affect those gender roles, if they would at all.

[robdamanii]

Now, you put her (the teacher, not my daughter) in a high school, or even junior high, and I have no problems with it in the least.

I seriously think, with the way some of our youth are nowadays, I'd be more afraid for the teacher than the kids.

[jdschall]

close minded parents are 80% of the battle... having taught kids aged 6 - 18 i have to agree... but seriously, heaps of 'talk' happens waayyy before puberty...

you don t really know me so saying that i have a very 'ignorant' view is pretty much off the mark... thats not what i was trying to imply, merely the fact that this person really has no place teaching youngsters...



Different views. No problem. You are right I shouldn't call you ignorant with out more info. I apologize. I just think it would work itself out with little kids okay.

Actually I have to admit I couldn't see her teaching preteens, middle schoolers. I think that would lead to huge problems. My wife has a really good friend who's just gotten divorced from her husband because he's gay, has been for years and was living a double life, but finally came out. They have 2 kids, 10 and 13 and they are trying to figure out what to tell them. That is one messed up situation right there.

I suspect the kids have some idea though. The thirteen year old just bought his first Ramones CD and was singing "we're a happy family ... Daddy likes men..." to his Dad the other day.

[jacksonpt]

I seriously think, with the way some of our youth are nowadays, I'd be more afraid for the teacher than the kids.
yea, no kidding.

[jdschall]

I mean, there IS a societal expectation from both genders, or at least I think there is. A lot of the time you have kids getting a lot of that gender role from teachers as well as parents. I'm curious how a transgender teacher would affect those gender roles, if they would at all.


Defining gender roles in this day and age must be tough. Who's to say what's right? Do we need defined roles? Is it a continuum with the norm centered around straight hetero? I'd have no idea where to start.

[manimal]

"It was magnificent," McBeth said afterward. "You saw democracy in action."

no...what you saw was a schoolboard folding under the immense "tolerate or die" mentality of the pink propoganda machine.

edit: this thread will be in the PD forum in 5.....4......3......2......

[OGRipper]

It's almost like learning a new language at that age - much easier because there is less cultural bias and practice. Seeing this happen to someone who was already in their lives could be really good - from a young age they would learn to have open minds. Of course, if you don't agree with the choice this person is making and as parent want to impose your own opinion on your kids you might not want it. And that is understandable I guess - again I am not a parent and am in no place to judge. But to me it smells like denouncing drugs, music or a clothing style - something a parent does at the risk of making the kid more interested in what is forbidden.

[robdamanii]

Defining gender roles in this day and age must be tough. Who's to say what's right? Do we need defined roles? Is it a continuum with the norm centered around straight hetero? I'd have no idea where to start.

I don't disagree that it's tough. In fact, it's probably one of the hardest thing that people struggle with.

I'm not sure what the "norm" these days are. Politically, it seems that non-heterosexual orientation is being discouraged, but popular culture appears to be embracing it much more (what with movies like Brokeback Mountain and such).

The only person to say what's right and wrong is the person who is developing their own gender roles. But I'm not sure that a transgender teacher, who does have a large influcence in forming those roles, wouldn't interefere with development. Again, I'm not a psychologist, so I don't know the answer, it's just a thought I had.

It's almost like learning a new language at that age - much easier because there is less cultural bias and practice. Seeing this happen to someone who was already in their lives could be really good - from a young age they would learn to have open minds. Of course, if you don't agree with the choice this person is making and as parent want to impose your own opinion on your kids you might not want it. And that is understandable I guess - again I am not a parent and am in no place to judge. But to me it smells like denouncing drugs, music or a clothing style - something a parent does at the risk of making the kid more interested in what is forbidden.

Unlinke drugs or booze, I don't think the kid would suddenly want to change their gender just because the parents say it's bad. :blah:

[partsbara]

The thirteen year old just bought his first Ramones CD and was singing "we're a happy family ... Daddy likes men..." to his Dad the other day.


ah, the irony.... funny stuff tho'... art imitates life


yeah, crappy situation for sure... poor kids...

'daddy likes men' ... my vote for all time R&R lyric (of the night at least)

[Ciaran]

Here's a question for all y'all...

What if the person looked good as a woman, and didn't tell the kids? I mean what if this person really looked like a woman, and was just hired so that the only people who know are the school administration. Would you have less of an issue?

And out of curiosity do any of you have experience with transexual people? Friends, relatives, co-workers getting sex changes? I personally know of one person who is doing this. Friend of a friend of a friend type thing. Don't know him very well, but the few times I talked to him he seemed like a cool guy. (I didn't know at the time about his "other" life)

[OGRipper]

Unlinke drugs or booze, I don't think the kid would suddenly want to change their gender just because the parents say it's bad. :blah:

You are probably right but don't underestimate the extent of rebellion. :)

All I'm saying is you can try to impose a view on someone, or you can be honest about the situation and explain the facts as well as your opinion, and let the kid decide for him/herself. I never liked the first approach when I was a kid.

And yeah I know we're talking about little kids here. And yeah I don't have kids and should probably STFU!

[N8]

What Would Jesus Do...????

[jacksonpt]

Here's a question for all y'all...

What if the person looked good as a woman, and didn't tell the kids? I mean what if this person really looked like a woman, and was just hired so that the only people who know are the school administration. Would you have less of an issue?

And out of curiosity do any of you have experience with transexual people? Friends, relatives, co-workers getting sex changes? I personally know of one person who is doing this. Friend of a friend of a friend type thing. Don't know him very well, but the few times I talked to him he seemed like a cool guy. (I didn't know at the time about his "other" life)

I have no experience... at least not that I know of.

If my daughter was oblivious to it, it would be less of an issue as her curiosity wouldn't be peaked. If my daughter were older, it wouldn't be an issue either.

[robdamanii]

You are probably right but don't underestimate the extent of rebellion. :)

All I'm saying is you can try to impose a view on someone, or you can be honest about the situation and explain the facts as well as your opinion, and let the kid decide for him/herself. I never liked the first approach when I was a kid.

And yeah I know we're talking about little kids here. And yeah I don't have kids and should probably STFU!

That kid would be the king sh!t at school.

Kid 1: "My dad wouldn't let me go out so I snuck out last night"
Kid 2: "Yeah? My dad wouldn't let me get my ear pierced so I went and got my tongue pierced."
Kid 3: "You guys are rookies. My dad didn't like the transgender teacher and said I shouldn't like her eithe, so I cut my willy off! That'll show him."

[jdschall]

And out of curiosity do any of you have experience with transexual people? Friends, relatives, co-workers getting sex changes? I personally know of one person who is doing this. Friend of a friend of a friend type thing. Don't know him very well, but the few times I talked to him he seemed like a cool guy. (I didn't know at the time about his "other" life)


Same situation as you. Just friends of friends. I can't say that they seemed all that normal though, mostly very angry.

I was sort of on the periphery of the lesbian rock scene in NC for a while. I was the lone male in a band of females. The band was a 50-50 split straight and lesbian and we played a 50-50 split of lesbian bars and straight clubs. I had opportunity to have all sorts of encounters with all kinds of people. One person in particular I remember was a preop female to male. Mostly she/he just seemed really angry at the world. I can't honestly say I understood her situation or motives but I tried to respect it.

As a man I was always the outsider and was treated with suspicion and never got to close to anybody outside my close circle of associates.

[partsbara]

Same situation as you. Just friends of friends. I can't say that they seemed all that normal though, mostly very angry.

I was sort of on the periphery of the lesbian rock scene in NC for a while. I was the lone male in a band of females. The band was a 50-50 split straight and lesbian and we played a 50-50 split of lesbian bars and straight clubs. I had opportunity to have all sorts of encounters with all kinds of people. One person in particular I remember was a preop female to male. Mostly she/he just seemed really angry at the world. I can't honestly say I understood her situation or motives but I tried to respect it.

As a man I was always the outsider and was treated with suspicion and never got to close to anybody outside my close circle of associates.

certainally sounds different... can t say i ve experienced that scene but i applaud you for being open minded enough to be cool with it...

not trying to be smart or anything... but did you see jay leno - john melendez on the hunt for new bands not so long ago ???

i immediately thought of meledez busting into the rehersal of the band 'alpha shemale'...

after busting into the studio / rehersal room his comment was something along the lines of 'some doors are better left unopened' :)

[beestiboy]

Sorry but Mrs. Doubtfire doesnt belong in a classroom in a public institution. He has every right to lop off his manhood and wear skirts, but in this world of PC and high tolerance it doesnt give the school board the right to expose children to him. Now if he (remember he has and X and a Y chromosome still) wants to teach and all parents are on board cool! But as a substitute teacher there isnt an alternative for parents, they cant send their child to another classroom for a day or two until the usual teacher comes back.

[jdschall]

certainally sounds different... can t say i ve experienced that scene but i applaud you for being open minded enough to be cool with it...


You have no idea....:help:


not trying to be smart or anything... but did you see jay leno - john melendez on the hunt for new bands not so long ago ???

i immediately thought of meledez busting into the rehersal of the band 'alpha shemale'...

after busting into the studio / rehersal room his comment was something along the lines of 'some doors are better left unopened' :)


I didn't see it. Sound's funny though. I'm all for poking fun at people if it's in the right spirit... Leno actually made fun of a friend of mine's band on his show not to long ago:

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/headlines/H_2964/27.shtml#headline

They are actually one of the bands we used to play with quite frequently.

[johnbryanpeters]

What Would Jesus Do...????
Nothing. He presumably died about two millennia ago.

[partsbara]

Sorry but Mrs. Doubtfire doesnt belong in a classroom in a public institution. He has every right to lop off his manhood and wear skirts, but in this world of PC and high tolerance it doesnt give the school board the right to expose children to him. Now if he (remember he has and X and a Y chromosome still) wants to teach and all parents are on board cool! But as a substitute teacher there isnt an alternative for parents, they cant send their child to another classroom for a day or two until the usual teacher comes back.

well put.... :thumb:

[JohnE]

...and i m teacher who was shunned and disrespected as i was a 'long haired surfer freak'...

But Partsy, you ARE a "long haired surfer freak"!

[Ciaran]

Sorry but Mrs. Doubtfire doesnt belong in a classroom in a public institution. He has every right to lop off his manhood and wear skirts, but in this world of PC and high tolerance it doesnt give the school board the right to expose children to him. Now if he (remember he has and X and a Y chromosome still) wants to teach and all parents are on board cool! But as a substitute teacher there isnt an alternative for parents, they cant send their child to another classroom for a day or two until the usual teacher comes back.
Oh but mister Beesty you get me sooooo hawt!!!!

http://www.phoenixfm.com/mrs-doubtfire.jpg


Me thinks Partsbara be protesting too much. You have something you wanna tell us, Parts? Hitting a little close to home?

;) :p

[kinghami3]

I am not a parent but you can't shelter your kids from the real world forever. And it seems that trying is only going to make them more curious.

Besides, she's better looking than some of the teachers I had!!

:love: :help:
Um, this is not the real world. 71 year old substitute teachers getting a sex change is not normal by any standard.

[partsbara]

Me thinks Partsbara be protesting too much. You have something you wanna tell us, Parts? Hitting a little close to home?

;) :p

yes....ok, i m sorry... i once had sex with a VERY hot 17 year old girl in my P.E. class ;)





guinness is bad for you... thats why i m havin another :)

johnE... you sux... most unreliable rider in sembach, germany :devil:

[partsbara]

Um, this is not the real world. 71 year old substitute teachers getting a sex change is not normal by any standard.

A fvcken men...

[Ciaran]

guinness is bad for you... thats why i m havin another :)

OK... I approve.

I have Guinness waiting for me at home. :thumb:

Guinness and transexuals don't mix.

[partsbara]

OK... I approve.

I have Guinness waiting for me at home. :thumb:

Guinness and transexuals don't mix.

guinness and more guinness... :)

the first time i actually saw and was around (or in the vicinity of) transexuals was in thailand about 10 years ago... big surprise...

i was amazed that the south american lads were off doing the dirty... i don t even think they knew, but it was pretty freakin obvious... i had a great time with my old g/friend, stoned, riding the beachs on a new XR250 rental motorbike... watching the south american lads run off into the shadows with lady boys... quite bizzare...

[OGRipper]

Um, this is not the real world. 71 year old substitute teachers getting a sex change is not normal by any standard.

I generally agree, but aren't you really talking about YOUR standards? I mean come on, standards are always changing. Something like this is definitely less shocking now than it would have been 20 or 30 years ago. Sooner or later the kids will hear about it. So I think it's about how much control parents want over their kids. Don't get me wrong - I would probably want a lot of control if I had kids. But I hope I would also avoid perpetuating cultural bias about things I don't understand.

And why isn't anyone talking about whether this person is a good teacher or not?

[OGRipper]

Oh man I just saw this and couldn't resist:

Barry Bonds

http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures/2006/03/01/sp-220x300-baseball_azbm102.jpg

[sanjuro]

I generally agree, but aren't you really talking about YOUR standards? I mean come on, standards are always changing. Something like this is definitely less shocking now than it would have been 20 or 30 years ago. Sooner or later the kids will hear about it. So I think it's about how much control parents want over their kids. Don't get me wrong - I would probably want a lot of control if I had kids. But I hope I would also avoid perpetuating cultural bias about things I don't understand.

And why isn't anyone talking about whether this person is a good teacher or not?
I hate bigotry of any kind, particularily the crap that Michelle Dumanesque has to suffer thru, so a title like "another quality human being" is disgusting.

Transexuality is a rather sophisticated concept to explain to any child, and it seems hard to ignore in this case. One might use similar arguments if a teacher was gay, but if he/she was professional, I do not see any problem.

However, this is a 71-year-old substitute teacher. If this guy/girl was competent, doncha think he would have a permanent job by now?

[OGRipper]

However, this is a 71-year-old substitute teacher. If this guy/girl was competent, doncha think he would have a permanent job by now?

I have no idea if this person is competent or if she wants a more permanent job. Maybe she does and can't get one because of bias against her. Maybe she is just a crappy teacher. Or maybe she is happy being a substitute. I have no idea and was just pointing out that her qualifications have not been discussed in a debate about whether she is fit to keep teaching. The only thing I know is that she was apparently fit to teach before, at least as a substitute.

[BuddhaRoadkill]

Thanks for reminding me how wretched humanity can be. :mumble:

The only issue here is ignant parents talking trash. With any luck, they will pull their doomed offspring out of this school. That would leave a wonderful learning environment for the children of quality parents.

well put.... :thumb:
... for Arkansas circa 1957

[sanjuro]

I have no idea if this person is competent or if she wants a more permanent job. Maybe she does and can't get one because of bias against her. Maybe she is just a crappy teacher. Or maybe she is happy being a substitute. I have no idea and was just pointing out that her qualifications have not been discussed in a debate about whether she is fit to keep teaching. The only thing I know is that she was apparently fit to teach before, at least as a substitute.
This is where logic and reality conflict. Yes there has been no discussion about this person's competence as a substitute teacher, so logic dictates that this person might an extremely competent substitute teacher and if so, should retain her job.

My experience tells me that substitute teachers are place holders until a regular teacher returns and one less does not bother me.

Frankly if I was to take on the banner of transexuals, this would not be the battle I choose.

[OGRipper]

I am not crusading for anyone and didn't "choose" this battle. It showed up on RM and I'm just giving my $.02.

[sanjuro]

I am not crusading for anyone and didn't "choose" this battle. It showed up on RM and I'm just giving my $.02.
I was thinking about myself. For example, the Gwen Araujo (http://www.transyouth.net/stories/gwen_araujo.html) murder case makes me mad that people still hold that much hostility towards transsexuals and gays.

So whether this 71 year old substitute teacher gets her job back doesn't really interest me.

[Ciaran]

I am not crusading for anyone and didn't "choose" this battle. It showed up on RM and I'm just giving my $.02.
Dang transexuals... always showing up on RM like that!

I have to say, this discussion has been waaay more adult than the one about Michele Dumaresque. (http://ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63446 ) And it's interesting to see other peoples point of view on a subject such as this. I never knew that Partsbara was a tranny lover or that Sanjuro was a tranny crusader.






;) I kid! I kid!

[sanjuro]

Dang transexuals... always showing up on RM like that!

I have to say, this discussion has been waaay more adult than the one about Michele Dumaresque. (http://ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63446 ) And it's interesting to see other peoples point of view on a subject such as this. I never knew that Partsbara was a tranny lover or that Sanjuro was a tranny crusader.

;) I kid! I kid!

Why do think I live in San Francisco?

[Ciaran]

Why do think I live in San Francisco?
I thought it was cause you are a hippy.

I checked out that link to Gwen Araujo... dang. In the article was this... "Transgendered related murders happen over once a month. "

I had no idea that transgendered people were being murdered like that. I also followed a link on that page to Remembering Our Dead, a web page listing the transexuals who have been murdered. Some of those stories are extremly sad. There was one listed that said that one girl was murdered on a New York sidewalk and people actually cheered. (according to the website)(of course it IS new york so they mght have just been cheering the violence, not that she was transexual ;) )

Of course transexuals aren't exactly mainstream so I wouldn't be expected to know about stuff like that. But dang.

[partsbara]

ciaran, we need to stop axe murdering, spear throwing animals like you... transgender athlete lovin 57 chevy drivin POS ;)

[Ciaran]

ciaran, we need to stop axe murdering, spear throwing animals like you... transgender athlete lovin 57 chevy drivin POS ;)
I think you need a custom title.... "Tranny Lover"!!!!

And I would never kill a tranny... unless she got in the way of my spear. Or my mace. ;) :p

[partsbara]

I think you need a custom title.... "Tranny Lover"!!!!

And I would never kill a tranny... unless she got in the way of my spear. Or my mace. ;) :p

please.. transgender mathlete.... since i m addicted to math problems... :)

[OGRipper]

please.. transgender mathlete.... since i m addicted to math problems... :)

:thumb: :thumb:

Cheers ya'll, way to keep it on the high road. Now excuse me, I need to catch up with parts and throw back a few...

[partsbara]

:thumb: :thumb:

Cheers ya'll, way to keep it on the high road. Now excuse me, I need to catch up with parts and throw back a few...

OG, you will be welcomed into the select few that can enjoy one of 20 dozen imported german beers... btw - empty ya freakin pm's...

sorry, we are no longer excepting applications...

[robdamanii]

This thread needs something.....



































http://test.epsychoman.com/Macros/trannyalert.jpg

[partsbara]

is that a body part that once belonged to darth vader ??

[Ciaran]

is that a body part that once belonged to darth vader ??
Darth Vader had a sex change? :eek:

[sanjuro]

Darth Vader had sex?

[partsbara]

the dark lord IS SEXXX :)

[geargrrl]

It's an intresting topic. I have no problem with what she did, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd want her teaching my daughter (assuming he had previously taught my daughter). I know you can't shelter them for ever, but I'm not sure it's something a 5 year old should have to deal with.



Well, it could all be dealt with quite honestly: god put him/her in the wrong gender body and s/he got it fixed by the doctors... but in a public school setting there are so many conflicting values! That answer might work for one family, ( it would for mine) but not another.

gg

[Ciaran]

the dark lord IS SEXXX :)
I think s/he prefers to be called the Dark Lady these days. Darth Vera?

"Luuuuuke... I am your father, I mean your MOTHER."

[partsbara]

I think s/he prefers to be called the Dark Lady these days. Darth Vera?

"Luuuuuke... I am your father, I mean your MOTHER."

lol..

I AM YOUR HE-MOMMY :)

[geargrrl]

Actually I have to admit I couldn't see her teaching preteens, middle schoolers. I think that would lead to huge problems. My wife has a really good friend who's just gotten divorced from her husband because he's gay, has been for years and was living a double life, but finally came out. They have 2 kids, 10 and 13 and they are trying to figure out what to tell them. That is one messed up situation right there.



BTDT, both my parents were gay and had secret lives unvieled when I was a teen. I wish people would just be honest about that stuff, it would save a whole lot of misery and pain. Instead, they were just a bunch of dsyfunctional ****ups. The worst part was when my dad started making passes at my boyfriends after he came out ...

gg

[partsbara]

. The worst part was when my dad started making passes at my boyfriends after he came out ...

gg

i m sorry you had to deal with that kinda crap... thats some of the most disfunctional sh1t eva...

keep rockin geargrrrrrrrrrrrllll :thumb:

[Kopiklokoli]

Let people do what they want, dont judge so much. It is not like this will do anything to change your life.

[Dartman]

What Would Jesus Do...????

Learn to accessorize. :p

[partsbara]

i think jesus would buy a cell phone with a higher resolution and more ring tone options...

[Dartman]

i think jesus would buy a cell phone with a higher resolution and more ring tone options...

http://www.shinyshiny.tv/images/mot_razr_pink_1.jpg

[N8]

More partsbara tranny newz:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/01/D8G2PLHO0.html

[jdschall]

BTDT, both my parents were gay and had secret lives unvieled when I was a teen. I wish people would just be honest about that stuff, it would save a whole lot of misery and pain. Instead, they were just a bunch of dsyfunctional ****ups. The worst part was when my dad started making passes at my boyfriends after he came out ...

gg


Yes, honesty is probably aways the best policy no matter how much it hurts at the time, it's got to be better than lying and breaking the bonds of trust. These kid's Dad has done some really screwed up stuff. Mom ain't no saint either but I think she has a much better handle on things than he does.

Part of the problem with being honest with their kids is that they first have to be honest with themselves. That may be the hardest issue to overcome. You probably ran into a lot of that....

[Andyman_1970]

This is a weird one...........

My wife used to play bunko with a guy who was once a girl, but wanted to become a gay man...........I was like dude, you can be with guys as a woman you know........LOL

True story...........

[jdschall]

This is a weird one...........

My wife used to play bunko with a guy who was once a girl, but wanted to become a gay man...........I was like dude, you can be with guys as a woman you know........LOL

True story...........


If there is a combination and you can think of it it's already been done. Not surprising at all.

[Old Man G Funk]

This is a weird one...........

My wife used to play bunko with a guy who was once a girl, but wanted to become a gay man...........I was like dude, you can be with guys as a woman you know........LOL

True story...........
Gender identity is separate from sexual attraction.

[Old Man G Funk]

For those of you who were wondering about her skill at teaching, you may have missed this part of the article.
School board attorney Paul Carr said McBeth was a good teacher who had received favorable reviews during her tenure as a substitute.

[Ciaran]

Gender identity is separate from sexual attraction.
I found that out. My friend I mentioned a few posts ago is married. I asked about that and was told that he and the wife are planning on staying married. He isn't attracted to men, and she is too in love to leave the relationship.

[dante]

random question, does anybody here know the sexual orientation/marital status of their elementary school teachers? i know at least one was single b/c she had us over to her house for a picnic (including parents), but honestly at that age I can't say I cared enough about that type of thing to even find out. by HS, yes, we were checking out the hot younger teachers for wedding rings, or which male teacher wasn't married but a) hit on any attractive student but b) knew colors REALLY REALLLY well. but honestly before that I could've cared less.

this really is the parents flipping out and subjecting their children to their own prejudices.

[Toshi]

i think i could have remembered if my elementary school teacher dressed like a woman yet had a five o' clock shadow and a deep voice...

[Ciaran]

i think i could have remembered if my elementary school teacher dressed like a woman yet had a five o' clock shadow and a deep voice...
Yes, but what if your elementary school teacher was a transexual that actually looked like a woman and you couldn't tell? I don't think all of them look like men in dresses. (I could be wrong though. I don't really have much experience or interaction with transexuals. They just don't seem to move in same the circles I do.) I am afraid to run a search though... probably find a ton of pr0n. And while I normally like pr0n, I am not into sex change pr0n. (Despite what N8 and BS would like to think :p )

And Toshi, if your avatar is a cow and a dog wouldn't that make it trans-species? :think: :D

[Toshi]

the dogcow is a species in itself. mating with it won't produce viable offspring, sorry Ciaran

:D

[BurlyShirley]

How the hell did I miss this thread for so long?

Geriatric Transgender Gradeschool Teachers? Sounds like a joke of a jerry springer show. No thanks!

[Ciaran]

the dogcow is a species in itself. mating with it won't produce viable offspring, sorry Ciaran

:D
Me and the dogcow would have purty chilluns. :love:


As long as it's not a transexual dogcow... won't go there.

[Changleen]

Me and the dogcow would have purty chilluns. :love:Run Toshi, RUN!